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Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Sarah k Alawami
 

I have not changed anything. I don't even know how to read anything other than English. But her messages come through in French or something like that.

 

Here is the odd thing. If I select, I can read the message but if I just listen, at least with my speech synth it comes out in some odd language.  I even tried with espeak. Here is a very short file of what I mean. I dun no even how I should submit this to GitHub as this might be a picnic error, at least for the 2 of us who hear it.

 

Link to db file is here.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

 

That is indeed odd, as all your messages come in in English for me.

Christina's messages however read in another language using Gmail's web interface. When Brian quotes them, they come through in English.

This has happened occasionally on this list, and only this list.

 

On 2/1/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

> Sarah,

> This is the second message you've said came through in another

> languages - it's in English for me, and NVDA reads it in English just

> fine.  I'm trying to think what the issue you are hitting could be  -

> I would have assumed even if you had somehow set Outlook to use

> another language, it still wouldn't automatically translate messages,

> just the interface (much like if you set NVDA's interface language to

> another language, it only changes how NVDA's menus are presented and

> NVDA messages and words are spoken - not for instance the text of an email.

> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

>> I have no idea what the conversation was about,  but would Microsoft

>> sway work? I’m only going based on your ideas, Quentin. It shows up

>> in another language here in outlook. Sorry if I’m way off base here.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Tc all.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of

>> *Quentin Christensen

>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2021 8:09 PM

>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I thought we had an issue for this, but I can't find it just now. 

>> These content controls on the developer ribbon have always been

>> problematic in one way or another (and if not in entering them, then

>> in filling in the forms they create).

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> So the other part of this is - what are you trying to make?  Word is

>> likely not the best solution for creating something like a form you

>> want people to fill in like this.  Something like Google forms are

>> popular for online survey type forms.  For something you want people

>> to be able to either fill out on the PC, or print out, use a regular, ordinary table:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> - Have two columns where the cell in the left column is the label

>> ("name", "address", etc), and the right column is where you type your

>> response

>> 

>> - For longer responses, have a full table-width cell with the label

>> ("Please explain why you want to go to Mars?") and a full table-width

>> cell below that to enter the response.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> A table like this can be printed and filled in by pen, or you can tab

>> through the table and fill in details as appropriate, and it will

>> work for just about everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Quentin

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Cristina Ebetiuc

>> <ebetiucristina@...>

>> wrote:

>> 

>> Good afternoon everybody!

>> I have got some issues with NVDA in relation with Formulars in word.

>> 

>>    1. NVDA doesn’t Show the old Formulars from the developer Tools. I t

>>    Looks like they have iven not been incerted.

>>    2. NVDA Shows the new Formulars from the developer Tools but does not

>>    read the names. I have called a chekbox yes, but NVDA does not

>> Show the

>>    Name. Nothing does not work nor in read mode neither in Focus

>> mode. Can you

>>    helpp me further?

>> 

>> I am Looking foreward to receiving your feetback!

>> 

>> greetings

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>

>> für Windows 10

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> 

>> Quentin Christensen

>> Training and Support Manager

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Web: www.nvaccess.org

>> 

>> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

>> 

>> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

>> 

>> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

>> 

>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

>> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> --

> Quentin Christensen

> Training and Support Manager

> Web: www.nvaccess.org

> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: edge and gmail

Sarah k Alawami
 

Email the log to quenten, or attach the log in a bug report on github, or in a comment if there is a bug report on said issue. The markdown will take care of the rest.

Good luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Well did more testing.

if I go to www.gmail.com and start typing in the user field, nvda will crash, I restart nvda, and it will work till I restart the system.

So its some sort of interacting issue.

Once nvda is started, then.

if anyone wants a log that will be fine I am using the latest edge stable.



On 2/02/2021 8:12 am, Mike Capelle wrote:
Weird, I use chkdsk all the time, and it works no problem on ntfs.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a
system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed
things so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up
ntfs partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems
to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is
nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with
google for some reason.



On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.























.








Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

That is indeed odd, as all your messages come in in English for me.
Christina's messages however read in another language using Gmail's
web interface. When Brian quotes them, they come through in English.
This has happened occasionally on this list, and only this list.

On 2/1/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Sarah,

This is the second message you've said came through in another languages -
it's in English for me, and NVDA reads it in English just fine. I'm trying
to think what the issue you are hitting could be - I would have assumed
even if you had somehow set Outlook to use another language, it still
wouldn't automatically translate messages, just the interface (much like if
you set NVDA's interface language to another language, it only changes how
NVDA's menus are presented and NVDA messages and words are spoken - not for
instance the text of an email.



On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

I have no idea what the conversation was about, but would Microsoft sway
work? I’m only going based on your ideas, Quentin. It shows up in another
language here in outlook. Sorry if I’m way off base here.



Tc all.









*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2021 8:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word



I thought we had an issue for this, but I can't find it just now. These
content controls on the developer ribbon have always been problematic in
one way or another (and if not in entering them, then in filling in the
forms they create).



So the other part of this is - what are you trying to make? Word is
likely not the best solution for creating something like a form you want
people to fill in like this. Something like Google forms are popular for
online survey type forms. For something you want people to be able to
either fill out on the PC, or print out, use a regular, ordinary table:



- Have two columns where the cell in the left column is the label
("name",
"address", etc), and the right column is where you type your response

- For longer responses, have a full table-width cell with the label
("Please explain why you want to go to Mars?") and a full table-width
cell
below that to enter the response.



A table like this can be printed and filled in by pen, or you can tab
through the table and fill in details as appropriate, and it will work
for
just about everyone.



Quentin



On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Cristina Ebetiuc
<ebetiucristina@gmail.com>
wrote:

Good afternoon everybody!
I have got some issues with NVDA in relation with Formulars in word.

1. NVDA doesn’t Show the old Formulars from the developer Tools. I t
Looks like they have iven not been incerted.
2. NVDA Shows the new Formulars from the developer Tools but does not
read the names. I have called a chekbox yes, but NVDA does not Show
the
Name. Nothing does not work nor in read mode neither in Focus mode. Can
you
helpp me further?

I am Looking foreward to receiving your feetback!

greetings



Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> für
Windows 10






--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>






Re: edge and gmail

Gene
 

If you have the problem and no one or almost no one else does, then it may well be a problem somewhere in your system or something anomalous about it. It is a very minor problem and not worth going through much work to solve, in muy opinion, but using Chrome or the Brave browser just for that site would be a good work around.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a
system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed things
so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up ntfs
partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems
to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is
nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with
google for some reason.



On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.

























.


Re: edge and gmail

 

Well did more testing.

if I go to www.gmail.com and start typing in the user field, nvda will crash, I restart nvda, and it will work till I restart the system.

So its some sort of interacting issue.

Once nvda is started, then.

if anyone wants a log that will be fine I am using the latest edge stable.

On 2/02/2021 8:12 am, Mike Capelle wrote:
Weird, I use chkdsk all the time, and it works no problem on ntfs.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a
system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed things
so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up ntfs
partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems
to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is
nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with
google for some reason.



On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.























.







Re: edge and gmail

 

Well in that case microsoft have fixed the issue then.

On 2/02/2021 8:12 am, Mike Capelle wrote:
Weird, I use chkdsk all the time, and it works no problem on ntfs.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a
system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed things
so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up ntfs
partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems
to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is
nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with
google for some reason.



On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.























.







Re: edge and gmail

Mike Capelle <mcap@...>
 

Weird, I use chkdsk all the time, and it works no problem on ntfs.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a
system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed things
so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up ntfs
partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems
to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is
nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with
google for some reason.



On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.

























.


Re: edge and gmail

 

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed things so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up ntfs partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with google for some reason.

On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.
























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Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  When I opened the user guide from the NVDA website, it opened in Edge.  It seems to be the shortcuts to the user guide in the NVDA menus that open in another browser.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: edge and gmail

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 07:00 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign screen.
-
If this is something you can reliably reproduce, then you can and should try the instructions for:  Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA

Those include the pre-problem-creation steps you need to do to try to figure out whether you even need to create an issue, which involves trying to determine where the problem lies.
 
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Re: edge and gmail

Sarah k Alawami
 

Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.


















Re: Accessible PDF Editor?

Clement Chou
 

Will look into that too. Thanks for the extra tip about PDF converter.

On 2/1/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:28 AM, Clement Chou wrote:


Does
the same apply for editing them?
-
That depends on what you mean.  Word can definitely read in PDF files and
convert them for editing, but there are occasions where something may change
in the formatting based upon how they were created.

In your case, if this is for what you say it is, you'd just create and edit
everything as Word, and save your main source material in MS-Word format.
You'd just need to do a Save As with the latest versions when you want PDF
versions of same.  I personally don't like Microsoft's PDF conversions due
to size - they tend to turn out much larger than other methods.  I use
PDFConverter, which like a great many PDF converters functions as a virtual
printer.  You can send any file type to it and it will spit out the PDF
equivalent of same.  The resulting PDF file is generally much smaller, too.

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval
can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel






Re: Accessible PDF Editor?

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:28 AM, Clement Chou wrote:
Does
the same apply for editing them?
-
That depends on what you mean.  Word can definitely read in PDF files and convert them for editing, but there are occasions where something may change in the formatting based upon how they were created.

In your case, if this is for what you say it is, you'd just create and edit everything as Word, and save your main source material in MS-Word format.  You'd just need to do a Save As with the latest versions when you want PDF versions of same.  I personally don't like Microsoft's PDF conversions due to size - they tend to turn out much larger than other methods.  I use PDFConverter, which like a great many PDF converters functions as a virtual printer.  You can send any file type to it and it will spit out the PDF equivalent of same.  The resulting PDF file is generally much smaller, too.
 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Accessible PDF Editor?

Clement Chou
 

So word is a viable option then... thanks for letting me know! Does
the same apply for editing them?

On 2/1/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
If this is a repeat, I apologize.  The original seems to have disappeared
and isn't showing up in the archive.

If you're using Office 2016 or later (possibly 2013 or later) it has a
native save in PDF option.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval
can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel






Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 06:17 AM, Cristina Ebetiuc wrote:
I still Need this program in my education place.
-
And I still can't figure out what you can't access.  Everything I've tried to fire up on the Developer ribbon works.

You need to be more specific about what it is you're trying to achieve and where the process breaks down.
 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Accessible PDF Editor?

 

If this is a repeat, I apologize.  The original seems to have disappeared and isn't showing up in the archive.

If you're using Office 2016 or later (possibly 2013 or later) it has a native save in PDF option.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Toggle Passing Keys in NVDA?

Michael Tsai <huanlin.tsai@...>
 
Edited

I have the same requirement, so I've created a ticket:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/12022


Re: NVDA problems with excel when editing form fill

aikeo koomanivong
 

Dear Brian 

Thanks for sharing

It’s no way right now to fix NVDA right

I used JAWS and it’s working well

However I’m prefer to use NVDA

Regards

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 11:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA problems with excel when editing form fill

 

Regardless of the screen reader being used, I strongly encourage the use of Excel's built-in column and row designation so that the burden is not on the screen reader, nor any other screen reader user, to set this up if the workbook is handled by someone else.

What follows is an excellent tutorial, with background information, written by Alan Lemly on the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group regarding how to do what I've just mentioned.
-------------------------

Reading Row and Column Headers Using Excel Defined Titles – A Tutorial

by Alan Lemly

 

Original text can be found at:  https://groups.io/g/office-accessibility/topic/77311167

As someone else posted, Freedom Scientific has a document explaining the use of row and column headers in Excel at this website:

https://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/2013-09-25_ExcelAndWordHeaders/02_HeadersInExcel.htm

While that site has an excellent explanation of the process, it has a major omission which prevents defined name titles from speaking when set up. As explained at that site, users of Excel with JAWS have two different options if they'd like to create row and column headers that can be saved and accessed:

1.   Titles (i.e., row headers and column headers) created using the define name feature of Excel. This is the preferred method because these titles can be created by those not even using JAWS and accessed at a later time by anyone with JAWS because they are saved with the spreadsheet.

2.   Titles created using JAWS quick settings dialog box. These titles are saved in a workbook-specific JSI file located in your personal settings folder, a separate file that is created and has to accompany the workbook everywhere it goes.

This tutorial will explain option 1 since its titles can be saved with the workbook, transferred to another JAWS user, and does not require use of a separate JSI file to work. What this method does require that is omitted from the Freedom Scientific explanation is a change to a default setting for Defined name column and row titles override so that title reading of these defined ranges will occur. Therefore, the default override must be set to off instead of on. You can access this setting by:

·        Pressing Insert + V to access the quick settings

·        Typing Title reading in the search box

·        Arrow down through the search results to the first one which is Define name column and row titles override and making sure it is set to off. By default, mine was originally set to on which causes this preferred title reading method not to work.

 

My thanks to Ann Byrne of the main@jfw.groups.io list who originally explained defined titles to me and the need to turn off the override so they will read properly with JAWS.

I'm creating a sample Excel spreadsheet for this post to help with my explanation. I'll include a Dropbox download link at the end for those who want it. This sample spreadsheet is for tracking books which I've read. It contains the following column headings beginning in cell A1 and continuing through cell H1. 

Title

Author

Narrator

Date Finished

NLS Book Number

Book Length

Rating

Comments

This spreadsheet will end up containing many rows since I read a lot so when defining the range which will include the column and row headers, I'm going to estimate the number of rows it should contain to include future expansion. I've made the first column be the title of the book since it makes since as I arrow up and down the various rows in the sheet that the book title be announced as I land on a new row. The intersection of the column headers and row headers that I want Excel to red as I navigate through the sheet is cell A1 so focus should be there when the defined range is created. To create the range, with focus on cell A1:

1.   Press alt + m + m. This will place you on the ribbon bar on the define name button and you should press enter.

2.   You will be in a text box where you create the defined name of your column and row headers. I almost exclusively use both column and row headers for most of my spreadsheets since they normally contain multiple rows and columns.  In this case, your defined name should begin with the word Title. If you only want row headers, your defined name should begin with RowTitle. If you only want column headers, your defined name should begin with ColumnTitle. You should have no spaces in the defined title text box so if your spreadsheet has multiple regions for which you want separate defined titles, I'd suggest you use Region1, Region2, etc. after title with no spaces to distinguish your defined title ranges. Use a period to separate the name of the defined title from the cell range comprising it. In my example spreadsheet, my columns run from A1 through H1 and I'm estimating 1000 rows so my defined title will be TitleRegion1.A1.H1000. I could have omitted Region1 since I don't expect more regions on this sheet but included it for reference purposes.

3.   Press tab until you get to the Ok button and hit enter to complete the creation of your defined title range. If you later need to edit it, open the range manager by pressing alt + m + n and select the range you want to edit and press alt + e. You will be placed in a text box where you can make changes.

After you've entered book info of the titles you've red, arrowing up and down in the sheet will result in JAWS reading the book title of the particular row. Arrowing right and left through the various columns will result in JAWS reading the column heading of that column. Provided you turned off the title reading of defined range override mentioned earlier in this document, your row and column title headers should be read by JAWS. Also, you can give a copy of your workbook to anyone else using JAWS and those row and column headers will also be read for them provided they turn off the defined title reading override.

Here is a Dropbox download link to Books read sample spreadsheet mentioned above:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z16eb63i679t6b0/Books%20read%20for%20OA.xlsx?dl=1

I hope this helps.

Alan Lemly

 

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Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Cristina Ebetiuc <ebetiucristina@...>
 

Yes, I see. But what should I do? I still Need this program in my education place.

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 

Von: Quentin Christensen
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Februar 2021 11:58
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

 

Word itself largely works fine - in writing the Basic Training module, I covered pretty much all the functions of Word (or at least tested them out - there were only a couple, such as these developer forms, which I didn't recommend using) - it's just not a good platform for creating forms with buttons and checkboxes etc.

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 9:26 PM Cristina Ebetiuc <ebetiucristina@...> wrote:

Hi!
I Need Word for my education. This is the Standard Office writer we use for learn Information & Technology on it. That is why I Need a solution for it.

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 

Von: Quentin Christensen
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Februar 2021 09:47
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

 

Sarah,

 

This is the second message you've said came through in another languages - it's in English for me, and NVDA reads it in English just fine.  I'm trying to think what the issue you are hitting could be  - I would have assumed even if you had somehow set Outlook to use another language, it still wouldn't automatically translate messages, just the interface (much like if you set NVDA's interface language to another language, it only changes how NVDA's menus are presented and NVDA messages and words are spoken - not for instance the text of an email.

 

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I have no idea what the conversation was about,  but would Microsoft sway work? I’m only going based on your ideas, Quentin. It shows up in another language here in outlook. Sorry if I’m way off base here.

 

Tc all.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

 

I thought we had an issue for this, but I can't find it just now.  These content controls on the developer ribbon have always been problematic in one way or another (and if not in entering them, then in filling in the forms they create).

 

So the other part of this is - what are you trying to make?  Word is likely not the best solution for creating something like a form you want people to fill in like this.  Something like Google forms are popular for online survey type forms.  For something you want people to be able to either fill out on the PC, or print out, use a regular, ordinary table:

 

- Have two columns where the cell in the left column is the label ("name", "address", etc), and the right column is where you type your response

- For longer responses, have a full table-width cell with the label ("Please explain why you want to go to Mars?") and a full table-width cell below that to enter the response.

 

A table like this can be printed and filled in by pen, or you can tab through the table and fill in details as appropriate, and it will work for just about everyone.

 

Quentin

 

On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Cristina Ebetiuc <ebetiucristina@...> wrote:

Good afternoon everybody!
I have got some issues with NVDA in relation with Formulars in word.

  1. NVDA doesn’t Show the old Formulars from the developer Tools. I t Looks like they have iven not been incerted.
  2. NVDA Shows the new Formulars from the developer Tools but does not read the names. I have called a chekbox yes, but NVDA does not Show the Name. Nothing does not work nor in read mode neither in Focus mode. Can you helpp me further?

I am Looking foreward to receiving your feetback!

greetings

 

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Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Quentin Christensen
 

Word itself largely works fine - in writing the Basic Training module, I covered pretty much all the functions of Word (or at least tested them out - there were only a couple, such as these developer forms, which I didn't recommend using) - it's just not a good platform for creating forms with buttons and checkboxes etc.


On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 9:26 PM Cristina Ebetiuc <ebetiucristina@...> wrote:

Hi!
I Need Word for my education. This is the Standard Office writer we use for learn Information & Technology on it. That is why I Need a solution for it.

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 

Von: Quentin Christensen
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Februar 2021 09:47
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

 

Sarah,

 

This is the second message you've said came through in another languages - it's in English for me, and NVDA reads it in English just fine.  I'm trying to think what the issue you are hitting could be  - I would have assumed even if you had somehow set Outlook to use another language, it still wouldn't automatically translate messages, just the interface (much like if you set NVDA's interface language to another language, it only changes how NVDA's menus are presented and NVDA messages and words are spoken - not for instance the text of an email.

 

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I have no idea what the conversation was about,  but would Microsoft sway work? I’m only going based on your ideas, Quentin. It shows up in another language here in outlook. Sorry if I’m way off base here.

 

Tc all.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

 

I thought we had an issue for this, but I can't find it just now.  These content controls on the developer ribbon have always been problematic in one way or another (and if not in entering them, then in filling in the forms they create).

 

So the other part of this is - what are you trying to make?  Word is likely not the best solution for creating something like a form you want people to fill in like this.  Something like Google forms are popular for online survey type forms.  For something you want people to be able to either fill out on the PC, or print out, use a regular, ordinary table:

 

- Have two columns where the cell in the left column is the label ("name", "address", etc), and the right column is where you type your response

- For longer responses, have a full table-width cell with the label ("Please explain why you want to go to Mars?") and a full table-width cell below that to enter the response.

 

A table like this can be printed and filled in by pen, or you can tab through the table and fill in details as appropriate, and it will work for just about everyone.

 

Quentin

 

On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Cristina Ebetiuc <ebetiucristina@...> wrote:

Good afternoon everybody!
I have got some issues with NVDA in relation with Formulars in word.

  1. NVDA doesn’t Show the old Formulars from the developer Tools. I t Looks like they have iven not been incerted.
  2. NVDA Shows the new Formulars from the developer Tools but does not read the names. I have called a chekbox yes, but NVDA does not Show the Name. Nothing does not work nor in read mode neither in Focus mode. Can you helpp me further?

I am Looking foreward to receiving your feetback!

greetings

 

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