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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials: frequently asked questions

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 12:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
As some of you may have noticed, Windows 10 App Essentials 21.02 is no longer compatible with Windows 10 feature updates earlier than Version 2004 (May 2020 Update).
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And since Version 2004 has been officially declared "ready for broad deployment," anyone who's not already on it should update to it, or better yet, 20H2, since it's really just 2004 with a few minor additions/tweaks to it.

This can be done by:

1. Checking whether the Download and install link is being presented to you for the Feature Update in your Windows Update Pane under Settings, Update & Security.  If it is, activate the link.

2. Going to the Microsoft Windows 10 Download Page and using the Update Assistant, which means simply activating the Update Now button.

3. Following these instructions:  Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file


If your system is on 1909 or earlier, a declaration from Microsoft that a more recent Windows 10 Version is "ready for broad deployment" means that it's likely that your Windows Update is malfunctioning if you've not already got the Download and Install link and that you should manually update as a result.
 
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locked Re: [SOLVED] Heavy problems with nvda_2020.4rc1 and Visual Studio 2019 latest

Yeti
 

Hi Joseph,

have you considered enabling selective UIA event registration?
I just did it and it seams to fix my Problem.

Of course, I won't see what it's really worth until tomorrow, when I really work with it. For the moment, the RC1 seems to run more smoothly with this setting than the stable 2020.3 did.

Many thanks for the quick help.

Ad Astra

Yeti


locked Re: [SOLVED] Heavy problems with nvda_2020.4rc1 and Visual Studio 2019 latest

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 12:52 PM, Yeti wrote:
But to work I need the stable version.
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The thing being, that if the suggestion works, then the problem is gone.  It's not instability, it's a settings tweak.

Any release candidate will become the released version unless a show stopping bug of some sort is found that must be fixed.  You may have found one, but you may not have, either.
 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

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locked Re: [SOLVED] Heavy problems with nvda_2020.4rc1 and Visual Studio 2019 latest

 

Hi,
If you are planning to install 2020.3, then yes, you need to "uninstall" RC1. Note the word in quotes - you can in fact override RC1 by simply installing 2020.3 and telling NVDA to proceed if it presents a message about installing older version.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Yeti
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Heavy problems with nvda_2020.4rc1 and Visual Studio 2019 latest

Nope - you can test this with RC1.
Yes of course
But to work I need the stable version.
So I have to reinstall this after the test.

Do I have to uninstall the RC1 before?


locked Re: [SOLVED] Heavy problems with nvda_2020.4rc1 and Visual Studio 2019 latest

Yeti
 

Nope - you can test this with RC1.
Yes of course
But to work I need the stable version.
So I have to reinstall this after the test.

Do I have to uninstall the RC1 before?


locked Re: [SOLVED] Heavy problems with nvda_2020.4rc1 and Visual Studio 2019 latest

 

Hi,
Nope - you can test this with RC1.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Yeti
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Heavy problems with nvda_2020.4rc1 and Visual Studio 2019 latest

HI Joseph,

Another possible solution: have you considered enabling selective UIA
event registration?
Not yet, but I'll try this tomorrow.
Is it really necessary to uninstall the RC1 before I go back to the stable Version after this test, as the installer recommends?

Thanks so far

Yeti


locked Re: [SOLVED] Heavy problems with nvda_2020.4rc1 and Visual Studio 2019 latest

Yeti
 

HI Joseph,

Another possible solution: have you considered enabling
selective UIA event registration?
Not yet, but I'll try this tomorrow.
Is it really necessary to uninstall the RC1 before I go back to the stable Version after this test, as the installer recommends?

Thanks so far

Yeti


Windows 10 App Essentials: frequently asked questions

 

Hi NVDA community,

This is Joseph Lee, the creator and maintainer of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on.

As some of you may have noticed, Windows 10 App Essentials 21.02 is no longer compatible with Windows 10 feature updates earlier than Version 2004 (May 2020 Update). Coupled with some development questions I have received, I would like to take this time to answer some frequently asked questions in hopes that it can serve as a handy reference for people still wondering about what the add-on is, support duration, and other things.

 

Q. What exactly is Windows 10 App Essentials add-on?

Windows 10 App Essentials add-on (sometimes abbreviated as WinTenApps) is a collection of modules to make Windows 10 apps more accessible and usable for NVDA users. It includes improved support for controls found throughout Windows 10 and apps such as search fields, support for built-in apps such as Mail and Calendar, and debug utilities to help NVDA developers better understand how Windows 10 apps use accessibility API’s such as UI Automation.

 

Q. Which versions of Windows 10 does the add-on support?

Any Windows 10 release under mainstream support by Microsoft are supported. In this context, mainstream support refers to updates for consumers i.e. updates for Home, Pro, Pro Education, and Pro for Workstations.

 

Q. How long does the add-on support a Windows 10 release?

Between twelve to eighteen months.

 

Q. Can’t you support all Windows 10 releases?

No. Windows 10 follows Windows as a Service (WaaS) model where new releases are frequent – typically, two feature updates (releases) a year. The add-on does not support all releases due to complexity of supporting all released versions.

 

Q. Does Windows 10 App Essentials support Windows Insider Preview (WIP) builds?

Yes, as features under development and tested by Insiders may end up in feature updates released to everyone.

 

Q. Which versions of NVDA does the add-on support?

The add-on supports current, immediate past, and development versions of NVDA. As of time of this writing, Windows 10 App Essentials supports 2020.3 (soon to be immediate past), 2020.4 (release candidate/about to become current release), and alpha snapshots.

 

Q. Why do you limit NVDA support to immediate past release?

Parts of Windows 10 App Essentials are being integrated into NVDA, and it requires complex workarounds to support older NVDA releases.

 

Q. When I try to install the add-on, NVDA says it isn’t compatible with this version of Windows.

Because the add-on only supports recent Windows 10 releases (ones with mainstream support), the add-on will present an error message if you attempt to install it on unsupported (soon to be or already unsupported) Windows 10 release. As of time of this post, Windows 10 App Essentials require Version 2004 (May 2020 Update) or later.

 

Q. You said parts of the add-on are being integrated into NVDA. How can I find out what’s being integrated?

Some NVDA pull requests (especially those submitted by yours truly) will specify that code changes described originates from the add-on. As part of release notes for add-on releases, I will point out which parts of the add-on are part of NVDA.

 

Q. Why don’t you submit everything from the add-on to NVDA at once?

Some parts of the add-on deal with Windows Insider Preview builds. Because these builds can change without notice (including feature removal), it will create a situation where NVDA itself will ship with outdated components or code that doesn’t work at all. Therefore I wait for something to go public (typically the next feature update shows up to beta Insiders) before I submit necessary changes to NVDA.

 

Q. Do you accept code changes from other people?

Yes, but please limit changes to built-in Windows 10 apps or specific Windows 10 features. In addition to support for apps that come with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on, other built-in apps include Groove Music, Movies and TV, Alarms and Clock, and others. Due to Python module naming conflicts, I do not accept pull requests for Alarms and Clock app module (if you do have pull request suggestions for Alarms and Clock, please do so via global plugin portion). Windows 10 App Essentials does not plan to ship with app modules for third-party apps such as those found in Microsoft Store as people should contact app vendors (including Microsoft) should they have screen reader compatibility concerns for these apps.

 

Any other questions, comments, or concerns?

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: list of open applications within a desktop

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Windows-tab does the trick...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Dienstag, 9. Februar 2021 17:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] list of open applications within a desktop

Not that I know of but you can get something like it by looking at the system tray. I'll describe how to do it if you
want. It isn't quite like the list you are discussing but it may be the closest you can get.

Gene
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: mike mcglashon
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 10:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] list of open applications within a desktop



Hi guys:



I am curious;

In jaws,

the key command jaws plus f10 opens a list of all the open windows within a
desktop;

Does nvda have an equivalent command?





Please advise as you like.



Mike M.



Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net

Ph: 618 783 9331


Re: windows essentials addon incompatible

Tony Ballou
 

Hey old friend what’s up?


That explains plenty.  Today just so happens to be patch Tuesday for windows users in this area, and the new update just came out here.  I’m installing it now and hopefully things will return to normal.  Thanks, stay safe, and good hearing from you. 

 

Tony

 

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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Are you guys running the windows versions that are compatible? Here is what  I’m running.

Version 20H2 (OS Build 19042.746)

 

Blessings all.

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 9:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Hi Mike,

 

I had the same thing happen to me last week.  Not sure why.  I’ve got the most recent version of both Windows 10 pro and NVDA.  I’d like an answer to this one too. Strange.

 

Tony

 


Re: windows essentials addon incompatible

Sarah k Alawami
 

Are you guys running the windows versions that are compatible? Here is what  I’m running.

Version 20H2 (OS Build 19042.746)

 

Blessings all.

 

 

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Sarah Alawami, owner of TFfP. We are also on lbry as well.

 

Stay in touch with us via our discord. This is an easier way to both contact us, and get to know your fellow listeners.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 9:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Hi Mike,

 

I had the same thing happen to me last week.  Not sure why.  I’ve got the most recent version of both Windows 10 pro and NVDA.  I’d like an answer to this one too. Strange.

 

Tony


Re: windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Hi,

I will answer this and other questions about WinTenApps add-on within the next hour or so.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 9:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Hi Mike,

 

I had the same thing happen to me last week.  Not sure why.  I’ve got the most recent version of both Windows 10 pro and NVDA.  I’d like an answer to this one too. Strange.

 

Tony

 

 

From: mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Hi guys:

 

When I launch nvda,

It asks me if I want to addons,

I say yes,

Then I get an error that windows essentials addon is incompatible, and,

Some other error;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

 


Re: windows essentials addon incompatible

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Mike,

 

I had the same thing happen to me last week.  Not sure why.  I’ve got the most recent version of both Windows 10 pro and NVDA.  I’d like an answer to this one too. Strange.

 

Tony

 

 

From: mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Hi guys:

 

When I launch nvda,

It asks me if I want to addons,

I say yes,

Then I get an error that windows essentials addon is incompatible, and,

Some other error;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

 


locked Re: [SOLVED] Heavy problems with nvda_2020.4rc1 and Visual Studio 2019 latest

 

Hi,

Another possible solution: have you considered enabling selective UIA event registration? To do so, open NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Advanced, check “I understand” checkbox, then from UI Automation group, select “selective event registration” checkbox and click OK. You MUST restart NVDA for changes to take effect. If it helps somewhat, then at least we know that it might be something from Visual Studio side of things. If it doesn’t, then I advise sending us a log (privately) and/or creating an issue on GitHub.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Heavy problems with nvda_2020.4rc1 and Visual Studio 2019 latest

 

This is clearly an instance where Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA is indicated.

 

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: your assistance

 

I'll add several things:

1. It really helps if you give a topic a title that accurately reflects what you're asking about.  "Your assistance," which you've used twice now on two different groups where I moderate is hopelessly vague.  On the other, I retitled to:  
Accessing Footnotes in MS-Word Documents (converted from PDF) using NVDA
2. This is really, at the heart of it, not an NVDA question, but a question about MS-Word.

3. The best venue for in-depth questions regarding any of the Office Suite programs is the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group, and using a topic title that clearly indicates what you are seeking assistance with.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: [SOLVED] Heavy problems with nvda_2020.4rc1 and Visual Studio 2019 latest

 

This is clearly an instance where Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA is indicated.

 

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked [SOLVED] Heavy problems with nvda_2020.4rc1 and Visual Studio 2019 latest

Yeti
 

Hello List and Developers, I installed nvda_2020.4rc1
yesterday. After that I couldn't work with VS2019 anymore.
Even switching between editor windows was no longer possible
without switching to another program or restarting NVDA. It
was certainly due to the RC1, as a change back to 2020.3
solved the problem. If someone is interested in the
problem, I'll be happy to reinstall the RC1 and send logs.
gladly Contact via PM or Zoom

Best regards

Yeti


Re: Thunderbird will become a webbased application - What about accessibility?

Angela Delicata
 

I have two Gmail accounts  in Thunderbird.

All the best

Angela from Italy

P.S. Thanks to all nvda devs for the great job.


Il 09/02/2021 13:06, Hope Williamson ha scritto:

I personally have a Gmail account set up in thunderbird, so I know it allows them.

On 2/8/2021 3:26 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 05:51 PM, Arlene wrote:
But it would not allow gmail on it.
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Thunderbird absolutely supports Gmail accounts.  I can't count the number of Gmail accounts I've set up in Thunderbird.
 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: your assistance

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,

 

I’m not sure if this will help in finding all the answers to your query, however, this should get you on your way. 

 

To add a footnote to a document, press control+alt+f. The focus moves to an area at the bottom of the page where the extra information can be typed.

To return to the original point in the document, open the context menu and press g to "go to footnote" to go to the position in the document where the footnote marker is.

From within a document, to move to the footnote area, without creating a new note, press alt+s to open the References ribbon, then press h for "show notes". This can also be used to move from the footnote area back to the document area.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Tony

 

From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 4:25 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] your assistance

 

Good day tech gurus

I trust you are all well and still safe.

I am trying to cope.

I need your assistance.

I am working with many pdf documents full of footnotes.

As you may know, even when I convert the document into word, the
footnotes are maintained.

1. how do I access and review them using nvda?

2. how do I virtualise them in order to copy them if needs be?

With JAWS, I press WinKey+semicolon to access a dialog that allows me
to choose from a list of options, e.g. comments, footnotes, etc. I
will then select footnotes to virtualise, review and copy them to a
new location for further review and editing.

How is that done with NVDA?

Your assistance is highly appreciated in advance.

Regards
Moruthanyana: SA




 


Re: list of open applications within a desktop

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 11:21 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Windows+Tab, or if you want, press Control+Alt+Tab.
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And from looking at the way each presents its results, my gut tells me that CTRL+ALT+TAB will be more easily accessible/traversable.
 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 

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