A friend is being asked to use Anydesk by a company during their tech
support process. I suggested he try to talk them into using Teamviewer
instead.

Is Anydesk at all accessible with NVDA?


The company involved needs remote access, or at the very least, needs to
see his screen.


I suppose if it comes to it, he can hold his phone up to the screen on
Facetime or similar video chat app.



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I'm a bit hesitant to wade into this, but I too am a bit suspicious by the
jump directly to HD issues.

Long shot, but you're not running Firefox or Thunderbird by chance, are
you?

I've been having some odd, regular slowdowns recently. My PC is fairly
high-power--I7, 8 cores, 32 GB of RAM, a few years old but not
under-powered. Windows installation is only a few months old, but
previously it ran Linux and barely broke a sweat. Under Windows, I got
about a day or two of use before I often had to hard powercycle the
machine. Task Manager didn't give me much that was reliable. Antimalware
Service was often high on the performance list, but not reliably. I
couldn't trace it to a specific action or change--my CPU fan would
eventually go crazy, and my entire system would slowly go unresponsive.

Eventually I tracked it to Firefox. Killing Firefox always replaced the
need for a reboot. Tried debugging Firefox further--disabling some
extensions, using Nightly, etc. Nothing reliably fixed it. I'm also
using a few layers of ad blocking, and while the blocking itself may
have slowed things down a bit, I imagine the code that was blocked and
didn't run probably cancelled out the extra effort the blockers made
filtering it out. So it likely wasn't any page in particular, and none
reliably caused this behavior either.

Now I'm running Brave, and the problems are mostly gone. I do, however,
experience slowdowns when working in Thunderbird, particularly when
opening a message. Yes, I've seen the Thunderbird speedup tips recently,
but I don't feel like those helped, particularly since things worked
fine under Linux.

Starting to wonder if there's some Gecko NVDA regression, or maybe a
Gecko regression with the underlying a11y APIs. Haven't tried diagnosing
it further, but as a developer that's kind of what this feels like.
Wondering if you might be hitting this too. Are you running FF, and if
so, does killing it get your performance back? I guess this could be
non-a11y-related, or maybe an issue with crappy drivers, but if this
regression were more mainstream then I can't imagine it wouldn't be high
priority and fixed. That's why I suspect something in the a11y stack.

Further, object navigation is described as the equivalent of the Touch cursor in sme conversations I've seen on the NVDA users list.  But even though I think it can do the same or about the same things, I believe the interface is considerably different.  Its something I think that is best learned by mostly examples, having someone do something rather than by a lot of description.  Let us know when you want to learn it in a hands on way and I'll write something. Perhaps others will too.  There is a web page for people learning NVDA who know JAWS.  I haven't looked at it to any extent, but people say it is helpful.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing from JAWS 2018 to NVDA, some general questions



And to answer your other question, NVDA does have two review cursers. One is called object navigation, where you navigate via object, and another is called screen review which acts just like the JAWS curser.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christian Ohrens
Sent: February 12, 2021 1:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing from JAWS 2018 to NVDA, some general questions





Hi folks,

I’m thinking about to replace my older JAWS to the newest NVDA build on my new computer which I’ll get next week.

For JAWS I am using several Script packages for some programs and now I want to know if there exists such addons or scripts for NVDA ttoo for the following programs:

Samplitude X5, Sound Forge Pro 14, Reaper.



And I’ve also some general questions concerrnning the handling of NVDA:

Are there some functions similar to the touch cursor or JAWS cursor in JAWS?



Thank you for your assistance.

Regards

Christian

If response time is back to normal, I am suspicious about the assertion that

the hard drive is the problem. We'll have to see if the updates and the
good response time are just a coincidence or not. But I would think that if

a computer is operating slowly, that might result in the hard drive doing
things slowly as well because a lot of things are slow and the hard drive
may be slowing down to accommodate that.

During the slow period, for example, if you were working on something like a

Word document, and you moved from line to line, was the computer slow in
reading the line you move to? That's one example of where actions are being

taken that have nothing to do with the hard drive. A good deal is done in
RAM and the hard drive isn't used. Loading a program is done from the hard

drive, but a program actually working isn't necessarily involving the hard
drive.

I don't know anything about how the tech tested the machine but I'm
suspicious of techs and often don't take with high confidence what they say,

especially if I know nothing about the quality of the tech.

Also, if general slowness of the hard drive were the problem, I would think

the machine might take a much longer time to reboot than usual. Was that
the case?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 4:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] resource monitor add-on or some other way?

Hi all,
I was on the phone with a technician this morning for about an hour
because for the past several months, my computer has been running
quite slow. He recommended I replace my hard drive, as he noted the
hard drive response time was extremely slow. When we finally hung up,
I figured I'd get to my usual daily computer activities, but found
what shouldn't have been surprising, my computer was painfully slow.
So, I restarted it, and it turned out it was installing more updates.
Now, performance is back to normal, but I want to continue to monitor
my hard drive's response time before I spend the money for a new
drive. Is this something the Resource monitor add-on can do, or do I
need to do what he did and open task manager? If the latter, how do I
get NVDA to read this information?
Bob

Hi folks,

I’m thinking about to replace my older JAWS to the newest NVDA build on my new computer which I’ll get next week.

For JAWS I am using several Script packages for some programs and now I want to know if there exists such addons or scripts for NVDA ttoo for the following programs:

Samplitude X5, Sound Forge Pro 14, Reaper.

And I’ve also some general questions concerrnning the handling of NVDA:

Are there some functions similar to the touch cursor or JAWS cursor in JAWS?

Thank you for your assistance.

Regards

Christian

Hi Nolan

Thanks for sharing your Firefox related performance problems

I use it frequently and have observed similar problems in recent weeks
I usually use nightly and I often have many windows and many tabs in each
window open
I also use a script locker
My computer may be a little older than yours but very similar hardware
configuration
Sometimes we starting Firefox helps and sometimes we starting nvda helps
Sometimes I will come back to the machine in the morning after not using it
overnight but leaving things up just locking my screen and it will be
almost unusable

Thanks for the tip on using brave maybe I'll give that a try at some point

Just wanted to chime in and let you know I've had similar observations with
things pointing in similar directions to your conclusions

using the task manager I haven't been able to pinpoint anything other than
Firefox using lots of resources

I haven't done any deep dive into logs

Russ

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 9:14 AM Nolan Darilek <nolan@...> wrote:

I'm a bit hesitant to wade into this, but I too am a bit suspicious by
the
jump directly to HD issues.

Long shot, but you're not running Firefox or Thunderbird by chance, are
you?

I've been having some odd, regular slowdowns recently. My PC is fairly
high-power--I7, 8 cores, 32 GB of RAM, a few years old but not
under-powered. Windows installation is only a few months old, but
previously it ran Linux and barely broke a sweat. Under Windows, I got
about a day or two of use before I often had to hard powercycle the
machine. Task Manager didn't give me much that was reliable. Antimalware
Service was often high on the performance list, but not reliably. I
couldn't trace it to a specific action or change--my CPU fan would
eventually go crazy, and my entire system would slowly go unresponsive.

Eventually I tracked it to Firefox. Killing Firefox always replaced the
need for a reboot. Tried debugging Firefox further--disabling some
extensions, using Nightly, etc. Nothing reliably fixed it. I'm also
using a few layers of ad blocking, and while the blocking itself may
have slowed things down a bit, I imagine the code that was blocked and
didn't run probably cancelled out the extra effort the blockers made
filtering it out. So it likely wasn't any page in particular, and none
reliably caused this behavior either.

Now I'm running Brave, and the problems are mostly gone. I do, however,
experience slowdowns when working in Thunderbird, particularly when
opening a message. Yes, I've seen the Thunderbird speedup tips recently,
but I don't feel like those helped, particularly since things worked
fine under Linux.

Starting to wonder if there's some Gecko NVDA regression, or maybe a
Gecko regression with the underlying a11y APIs. Haven't tried diagnosing
it further, but as a developer that's kind of what this feels like.
Wondering if you might be hitting this too. Are you running FF, and if
so, does killing it get your performance back? I guess this could be
non-a11y-related, or maybe an issue with crappy drivers, but if this
regression were more mainstream then I can't imagine it wouldn't be high
priority and fixed. That's why I suspect something in the a11y stack.