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Re: Reporting a false positive finding in Windows Security using NVDA

enes sarıbaş
 

It would actually be really useful if defender had an option to upload a detection to the servers from within the app. The submition URL requires an MS account to track submissions and the process of filling out all the info is rather tedious. 

On 2/14/2021 12:17 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
And, since I've participated, and I will say that certain things like knowing how to report False Positives to the maker of your security suite are really important and I'd let them slide anyway, this is a perfect example of a topic that also has nothing to do with NVDA, per se.  The question is really screen reader agnostic.  The same answers, as far as Feedback Hub, the link in Windows Security (which, by the way, opens Feedback Hub), and the direct report URL (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/filesubmission), would all have been exactly the same regardless of the screen reader in use.

But this kind of information that is so important to know, for all computer users, it warrants a "bending of the rules."

It's also a perfect example, though, of the point I was trying to make in the group rule, restated here: ". . . before you post a message you have to consider whether the question you are about to ask is actually about NVDA itself, or about the program you’re using it to access.  Questions of the form, How do I use . . . with NVDA?, are very seldom about NVDA, but are almost always about the program being accessed with NVDA."   If the "with NVDA?," could be substituted by, "with JAWS?," or "with Narrator?," that tells you the question isn't really about the screen reader, but about what's being accessed using the screen reader.
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NVDA goes mad

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

Hi all


NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it got stuck.

It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA. Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation file by pressing N.

It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.


Hettie



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Re: Is Anydesk Accessible?

Chris Smart
 

Good points Brian.


I would add that some programs can be accessible but not necessarily usable, and that comes down to layout and overall design.


Re: Is Anydesk Accessible?

 

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 08:11 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
we *can* start it and accept inbound connections,
-
I cannot count the number of, "It's not accessible," statements that get made that are flat out false, and the direct result of just not knowing the software that's being accessed.

I made this point yesterday in this message on the JFW group, after someone had said in regard to Thunderbird, ". . .  I found TB to be not accessible due to lack of knowledge of how to navigate the app."  That is NOT, NOT, NOT, in any way, shape, or form, a legitimate definition of inaccessible.  It means you don't know what you're doing, which is true of each and every one of us when we're new to any given piece of software.  My not knowing how to use or navigate something is completely disjoint from its accessibility.

If you can't navigate and/or access controls using ANY of the methods your screen reader supports, that's inaccessible.  But no one has any reason to make any statement about accessibility of software they don't have any idea of how to use.  And in the case of modern Windows app UIs, object navigation is going to be a very common access method, so you can't say something's inaccessible because you have to use object navigation (or if you have not tried to see if you can get to things using it).

There is a huge chasm between something being clumsy through difficult to access, which may make it impractical to use (and should raise complaints, too), and actually inaccessible - meaning impossible to access in any way, shape or form using a screen reader.

And there's even a lot of software that, for day to day use, is perfectly accessible for what one is routinely called upon to do, but where several controls are inaccessible.  Those controls are a problem, and should be reported, but I wouldn't class software where you can use a huge amount of what it's designed to do, but has a couple of inaccessible elements, as inaccessible.  It's software with specific accessibility issues, but it's not inaccessible in any meaningful or practical sense.
 
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Re: Reporting a false positive finding in Windows Security using NVDA

 

And, since I've participated, and I will say that certain things like knowing how to report False Positives to the maker of your security suite are really important and I'd let them slide anyway, this is a perfect example of a topic that also has nothing to do with NVDA, per se.  The question is really screen reader agnostic.  The same answers, as far as Feedback Hub, the link in Windows Security (which, by the way, opens Feedback Hub), and the direct report URL (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/filesubmission), would all have been exactly the same regardless of the screen reader in use.

But this kind of information that is so important to know, for all computer users, it warrants a "bending of the rules."

It's also a perfect example, though, of the point I was trying to make in the group rule, restated here: ". . . before you post a message you have to consider whether the question you are about to ask is actually about NVDA itself, or about the program you’re using it to access.  Questions of the form, How do I use . . . with NVDA?, are very seldom about NVDA, but are almost always about the program being accessed with NVDA."   If the "with NVDA?," could be substituted by, "with JAWS?," or "with Narrator?," that tells you the question isn't really about the screen reader, but about what's being accessed using the screen reader.
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Re: Reporting a false positive finding in Windows Security using NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yep, this is how I reported Scarlet Shells, and other products and stuff I use. They have fixed them in later updates of defender. I even submitted false positives in regard to the auto pilot app all of us are helping to work on. They fixed that as well. So all in all submitting a sample manually is the way to go if you can.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 12:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reporting a false positive finding in Windows Security using NVDA

 

There is actually a submit a sample page, where you check false posetive.The link is.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/filesubmission

On 2/13/2021 5:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I've used the Feedback Hub for this purpose in the past, as there's a category for Windows Security (or maybe Windows Defender).

The only other thing I can recommend is using the Give us feedback link on the Protection History page of Virus & Threat Protection of Windows Security.
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Re: Is Anydesk Accessible?

Chris Smart
 

Hi Steve.

Thank you for this. Can you please outline some specific steps to find that button so I may pass them along?


On 2021-02-14 8:10 a.m., Steve Matzura wrote:

Not true. While it's true that it's not accessible to us on the host side, we *can* start it and accept inbound connections, although the button to do that is hard to find because it's in among a lot of other things on a split screen. Access for Music makes use of Anydesk when helping its clients and customers with tasks a screenreader can't handle (see http://www.access4music.com/helpdesk for more info if interested).


On 2/14/2021 12:52 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

Hi, no, Anydesk is not accessible at all.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:42:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Is Anydesk Accessible?
 
A friend is being asked to use Anydesk by a company during their tech
support process. I suggested he try to talk them into using Teamviewer
instead.

Is Anydesk at all accessible with NVDA?


The company involved needs remote access, or at the very least, needs to
see his screen.


I suppose if it comes to it, he can hold his phone up to the screen on
Facetime or similar video chat app.

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Re: Is Anydesk Accessible?

Steve Matzura
 

Not true. While it's true that it's not accessible to us on the host side, we *can* start it and accept inbound connections, although the button to do that is hard to find because it's in among a lot of other things on a split screen. Access for Music makes use of Anydesk when helping its clients and customers with tasks a screenreader can't handle (see http://www.access4music.com/helpdesk for more info if interested).


On 2/14/2021 12:52 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

Hi, no, Anydesk is not accessible at all.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:42:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Is Anydesk Accessible?
 
A friend is being asked to use Anydesk by a company during their tech
support process. I suggested he try to talk them into using Teamviewer
instead.

Is Anydesk at all accessible with NVDA?


The company involved needs remote access, or at the very least, needs to
see his screen.


I suppose if it comes to it, he can hold his phone up to the screen on
Facetime or similar video chat app.


Re: Reporting a false positive finding in Windows Security using NVDA

enes sarıbaş
 

There is actually a submit a sample page, where you check false posetive.The link is.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/filesubmission

On 2/13/2021 5:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I've used the Feedback Hub for this purpose in the past, as there's a category for Windows Security (or maybe Windows Defender).

The only other thing I can recommend is using the Give us feedback link on the Protection History page of Virus & Threat Protection of Windows Security.
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Re: Is Anydesk Accessible?

 

hello.
unfortunately anydesk is not accessible.
you can navigate between messages and items only by nvda object
navigation or screen review.
i emailed anydesk support about accessibility.
they told me that many people should vote

for anydesk accessibility,
and if we recieve many votes,
we make anydesk accessible for screen readers.

On 2/14/21, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:
A friend is being asked to use Anydesk by a company during their tech
support process. I suggested he try to talk them into using Teamviewer
instead.

Is Anydesk at all accessible with NVDA?


The company involved needs remote access, or at the very least, needs to
see his screen.


I suppose if it comes to it, he can hold his phone up to the screen on
Facetime or similar video chat app.



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Re: Is Anydesk Accessible?

Afik Souffir
 


Hi, no, Anydesk is not accessible at all.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:42:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Is Anydesk Accessible?
 
A friend is being asked to use Anydesk by a company during their tech
support process. I suggested he try to talk them into using Teamviewer
instead.

Is Anydesk at all accessible with NVDA?


The company involved needs remote access, or at the very least, needs to
see his screen.


I suppose if it comes to it, he can hold his phone up to the screen on
Facetime or similar video chat app.



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Is Anydesk Accessible?

Chris Smart
 

A friend is being asked to use Anydesk by a company during their tech support process. I suggested he try to talk them into using Teamviewer instead.

Is Anydesk at all accessible with NVDA?


The company involved needs remote access, or at the very least, needs to see his screen.


I suppose if it comes to it, he can hold his phone up to the screen on Facetime or similar video chat app.



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Re: resource monitor add-on or some other way?

Hareth
 

Hi Nolan,
Firefox on windows with all screenreaders used became a resources nightmare.
I gave up using it for a good few months now, much better overall PC
usage with Chrome, Edge, and waterfox classic packed with a ton of
extensions.
TC

On 2/13/21, Nolan Darilek <nolan@thewordnerd.info> wrote:
I'm a bit hesitant to wade into this, but I too am a bit suspicious by the
jump directly to HD issues.

Long shot, but you're not running Firefox or Thunderbird by chance, are
you?

I've been having some odd, regular slowdowns recently. My PC is fairly
high-power--I7, 8 cores, 32 GB of RAM, a few years old but not
under-powered. Windows installation is only a few months old, but
previously it ran Linux and barely broke a sweat. Under Windows, I got
about a day or two of use before I often had to hard powercycle the
machine. Task Manager didn't give me much that was reliable. Antimalware
Service was often high on the performance list, but not reliably. I
couldn't trace it to a specific action or change--my CPU fan would
eventually go crazy, and my entire system would slowly go unresponsive.

Eventually I tracked it to Firefox. Killing Firefox always replaced the
need for a reboot. Tried debugging Firefox further--disabling some
extensions, using Nightly, etc. Nothing reliably fixed it. I'm also
using a few layers of ad blocking, and while the blocking itself may
have slowed things down a bit, I imagine the code that was blocked and
didn't run probably cancelled out the extra effort the blockers made
filtering it out. So it likely wasn't any page in particular, and none
reliably caused this behavior either.

Now I'm running Brave, and the problems are mostly gone. I do, however,
experience slowdowns when working in Thunderbird, particularly when
opening a message. Yes, I've seen the Thunderbird speedup tips recently,
but I don't feel like those helped, particularly since things worked
fine under Linux.

Starting to wonder if there's some Gecko NVDA regression, or maybe a
Gecko regression with the underlying a11y APIs. Haven't tried diagnosing
it further, but as a developer that's kind of what this feels like.
Wondering if you might be hitting this too. Are you running FF, and if
so, does killing it get your performance back? I guess this could be
non-a11y-related, or maybe an issue with crappy drivers, but if this
regression were more mainstream then I can't imagine it wouldn't be high
priority and fixed. That's why I suspect something in the a11y stack.







Re: Reporting a false positive finding in Windows Security using NVDA

 

I've used the Feedback Hub for this purpose in the past, as there's a category for Windows Security (or maybe Windows Defender).

The only other thing I can recommend is using the Give us feedback link on the Protection History page of Virus & Threat Protection of Windows Security.
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Reporting a false positive finding in Windows Security using NVDA

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I'm trying to figure out how to report a false positive finding to Microsoft through Windows Security using NVDA 2020.4 RC 1 with Windows 10 Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.804).  I conducted a Google search, and read the information that came directly from the Microsoft Support website, but I couldn't find instructions for reporting the finding.  There were instructions on how to exclude files and folders, and do different types of scans, as well as references to office 365, which I don't have.  When I went into the protection history, I pressed the APPLICATIONS KEY on the entry in question after expanding it and answering "Yes" to the UAC prompt, thinking that might bring up a context menu, but it didn't.  I realize that this is an advanced question.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Changing from JAWS 2018 to NVDA, some general questions

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

On 13/02/2021 7:04 pm, Gene wrote:
Further, object navigation is described as the equivalent of the Touch cursor in sme conversations I've seen on the NVDA users list.  But even though I think it can do the same or about the same things, I believe the interface is considerably different.  Its something I think that is best learned by mostly examples, having someone do something rather than by a lot of description.  Let us know when you want to learn it in a hands on way and I'll write something. Perhaps others will too.  There is a web page for people learning NVDA who know JAWS.  I haven't looked at it to any extent, but people say it is helpful.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing from JAWS 2018 to NVDA, some general questions



And to answer your other question, NVDA does have two review cursers. One is called object navigation, where you navigate via object, and another is called screen review which acts just like the JAWS curser.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christian Ohrens
Sent: February 12, 2021 1:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing from JAWS 2018 to NVDA, some general questions





Hi folks,

I’m thinking about to replace my older JAWS to the newest NVDA build on my new computer which I’ll get next week.

For JAWS I am using several Script packages for some programs and now I want to know if there exists such addons or scripts for NVDA ttoo for the following programs:

Samplitude X5, Sound Forge Pro 14, Reaper.



And I’ve also some general questions concerrnning the handling of NVDA:

Are there some functions similar to the touch cursor or JAWS cursor in JAWS?



Thank you for your assistance.

Regards

Christian













Re: resource monitor add-on or some other way?

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

The only thing running when he mentioned the slow hard drive response
time was Go to Assist, which is the program he was using to connect to
my machine. I had been running Firefox to get that program, and that's
my default browser these days. That being said though, I don't
experience the slow downs some other users were reporting unless I
have several windows open, though it does seem to overload much easier
than IE did. He tested the machine the same way Joseph told me to do,
go into task manager and on the performance tab and look at the drive
letter in question. I can't seem to get NVDA to read the information
wanted though. As I said in a previous message, I can get NVDA to tell
me that at the time, it was doing read/write requests 22% of the time,
but that's the only information I can get NVDA to read. It definitely
took longer than normal to reboot, as we hung up at 11:44 a.m.
according to my phone. I'd estimate it was about 10 minutes before I
finally said "screw it" and rebooted, as in that time I managed to get
iTunes to load and my phone to sync, but Firefox wouldn't load at all.
I got another phone call at 12:42 P.M. and it was about 7 minutes into
that call when NVDA started speaking, saying "working on updates."

On 2/12/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
If response time is back to normal, I am suspicious about the assertion that

the hard drive is the problem. We'll have to see if the updates and the
good response time are just a coincidence or not. But I would think that if

a computer is operating slowly, that might result in the hard drive doing
things slowly as well because a lot of things are slow and the hard drive
may be slowing down to accommodate that.

During the slow period, for example, if you were working on something like a

Word document, and you moved from line to line, was the computer slow in
reading the line you move to? That's one example of where actions are being

taken that have nothing to do with the hard drive. A good deal is done in
RAM and the hard drive isn't used. Loading a program is done from the hard

drive, but a program actually working isn't necessarily involving the hard
drive.

I don't know anything about how the tech tested the machine but I'm
suspicious of techs and often don't take with high confidence what they say,

especially if I know nothing about the quality of the tech.

Also, if general slowness of the hard drive were the problem, I would think

the machine might take a much longer time to reboot than usual. Was that
the case?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 4:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] resource monitor add-on or some other way?

Hi all,
I was on the phone with a technician this morning for about an hour
because for the past several months, my computer has been running
quite slow. He recommended I replace my hard drive, as he noted the
hard drive response time was extremely slow. When we finally hung up,
I figured I'd get to my usual daily computer activities, but found
what shouldn't have been surprising, my computer was painfully slow.
So, I restarted it, and it turned out it was installing more updates.
Now, performance is back to normal, but I want to continue to monitor
my hard drive's response time before I spend the money for a new
drive. Is this something the Resource monitor add-on can do, or do I
need to do what he did and open task manager? If the latter, how do I
get NVDA to read this information?
Bob










Re: Changing from JAWS 2018 to NVDA, some general questions

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Christian,

 

Welcome aboard! I don’t know about the addons you need, but if you read through the users’ guide it should answer your other questions. I have never used JAWS; I used Window-Eyes before NVDA. From what I’ve heard from people using JAWS, you won’t find better support than what you’ll find here.

 

Good luck,

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christian Ohrens
Sent: February 12, 2021 2:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing from JAWS 2018 to NVDA, some general questions

 

Hi folks,

I’m thinking about to replace my older JAWS to the newest NVDA build on my new computer which I’ll get next week.

For JAWS I am using several Script packages for some programs and now I want to know if there exists such addons or scripts for NVDA ttoo for the following programs:

Samplitude X5, Sound Forge Pro 14, Reaper.

 

And I’ve also some general questions concerrnning the handling of NVDA:

Are there some functions similar to the touch cursor or JAWS cursor in JAWS?

 

Thank you for your assistance.

Regards

Christian

 


Re: resource monitor add-on or some other way?

Lenron
 

it lags out alot

On 2/13/21, Russell James <4rjames@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Nolan

Thanks for sharing your Firefox related performance problems

I use it frequently and have observed similar problems in recent weeks
I usually use nightly and I often have many windows and many tabs in each
window open
I also use a script locker
My computer may be a little older than yours but very similar hardware
configuration
Sometimes we starting Firefox helps and sometimes we starting nvda helps
Sometimes I will come back to the machine in the morning after not using it
overnight but leaving things up just locking my screen and it will be
almost unusable

Thanks for the tip on using brave maybe I'll give that a try at some point

Just wanted to chime in and let you know I've had similar observations with
things pointing in similar directions to your conclusions

using the task manager I haven't been able to pinpoint anything other than
Firefox using lots of resources

I haven't done any deep dive into logs

Russ

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 9:14 AM Nolan Darilek <nolan@thewordnerd.info> wrote:

I'm a bit hesitant to wade into this, but I too am a bit suspicious by
the
jump directly to HD issues.

Long shot, but you're not running Firefox or Thunderbird by chance, are
you?

I've been having some odd, regular slowdowns recently. My PC is fairly
high-power--I7, 8 cores, 32 GB of RAM, a few years old but not
under-powered. Windows installation is only a few months old, but
previously it ran Linux and barely broke a sweat. Under Windows, I got
about a day or two of use before I often had to hard powercycle the
machine. Task Manager didn't give me much that was reliable. Antimalware
Service was often high on the performance list, but not reliably. I
couldn't trace it to a specific action or change--my CPU fan would
eventually go crazy, and my entire system would slowly go unresponsive.

Eventually I tracked it to Firefox. Killing Firefox always replaced the
need for a reboot. Tried debugging Firefox further--disabling some
extensions, using Nightly, etc. Nothing reliably fixed it. I'm also
using a few layers of ad blocking, and while the blocking itself may
have slowed things down a bit, I imagine the code that was blocked and
didn't run probably cancelled out the extra effort the blockers made
filtering it out. So it likely wasn't any page in particular, and none
reliably caused this behavior either.

Now I'm running Brave, and the problems are mostly gone. I do, however,
experience slowdowns when working in Thunderbird, particularly when
opening a message. Yes, I've seen the Thunderbird speedup tips recently,
but I don't feel like those helped, particularly since things worked
fine under Linux.

Starting to wonder if there's some Gecko NVDA regression, or maybe a
Gecko regression with the underlying a11y APIs. Haven't tried diagnosing
it further, but as a developer that's kind of what this feels like.
Wondering if you might be hitting this too. Are you running FF, and if
so, does killing it get your performance back? I guess this could be
non-a11y-related, or maybe an issue with crappy drivers, but if this
regression were more mainstream then I can't imagine it wouldn't be high
priority and fixed. That's why I suspect something in the a11y stack.










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Re: resource monitor add-on or some other way?

Russell James
 

Hi Nolan

Thanks for sharing your Firefox related performance problems

I use it frequently and have observed similar problems in recent weeks
I usually use nightly and I often have many windows and many tabs in each window open
I also use a script locker
My computer may be a little older than yours but very similar hardware configuration
Sometimes we starting Firefox helps and sometimes we starting nvda helps
Sometimes I will come back to the machine in the morning after not using it overnight but leaving things up just locking my screen and it will be almost unusable

Thanks for the tip on using brave maybe I'll give that a try at some point

Just wanted to chime in and let you know I've had similar observations with things pointing in similar directions to your conclusions

using the task manager I haven't been able to pinpoint anything other than Firefox using lots of resources

I haven't done any deep dive into logs

Russ


On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 9:14 AM Nolan Darilek <nolan@...> wrote:
I'm a bit hesitant to wade into this, but I too am a bit suspicious by the jump directly to HD issues.

Long shot, but you're not running Firefox or Thunderbird by chance, are you?

I've been having some odd, regular slowdowns recently. My PC is fairly
high-power--I7, 8 cores, 32 GB of RAM, a few years old but not
under-powered. Windows installation is only a few months old, but
previously it ran Linux and barely broke a sweat. Under Windows, I got
about a day or two of use before I often had to hard powercycle the
machine. Task Manager didn't give me much that was reliable. Antimalware
Service was often high on the performance list, but not reliably. I
couldn't trace it to a specific action or change--my CPU fan would
eventually go crazy, and my entire system would slowly go unresponsive.

Eventually I tracked it to Firefox. Killing Firefox always replaced the
need for a reboot. Tried debugging Firefox further--disabling some
extensions, using Nightly, etc. Nothing reliably fixed it. I'm also
using a few layers of ad blocking, and while the blocking itself may
have slowed things down a bit, I imagine the code that was blocked and
didn't run probably cancelled out the extra effort the blockers made
filtering it out. So it likely wasn't any page in particular, and none
reliably caused this behavior either.

Now I'm running Brave, and the problems are mostly gone. I do, however,
experience slowdowns when working in Thunderbird, particularly when
opening a message. Yes, I've seen the Thunderbird speedup tips recently,
but I don't feel like those helped, particularly since things worked
fine under Linux.

Starting to wonder if there's some Gecko NVDA regression, or maybe a
Gecko regression with the underlying a11y APIs. Haven't tried diagnosing
it further, but as a developer that's kind of what this feels like.
Wondering if you might be hitting this too. Are you running FF, and if
so, does killing it get your performance back? I guess this could be
non-a11y-related, or maybe an issue with crappy drivers, but if this
regression were more mainstream then I can't imagine it wouldn't be high
priority and fixed. That's why I suspect something in the a11y stack.






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