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Re: NVDA 2020.4 rc1

Sanjog Kumawat
 

Hi,

 

I have Windows 10 Pro 20h2 with NVDA 2020.4. When I open Microsoft Edge, I am able to return to desktop when I minimise Edge by the “Minimize” option or “Windows + Down arrow” shortcut key. The behaviour is normal. I do not use Thunderbird.

 

With Best Regards,

Sanjog Kumawat


Re: an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
 

Hi all.

The option Automatically set system focus to focusable elements is disabled. The solution of this is press NVDA+8.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Soporte a usuarios, comunidad de NVDA en español.

Web www.nvda.es

Experto certificado en NVDA

 

De: Gene
Enviado: lunes, 15 de febrero de 2021 10:19
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing

 

I don't know why.  You may want to try using NVDA running from the exe file

to see if the behavior is as expected.  Ifit is, you can try reinstalling

NVDA.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 8:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and

then tabbing

 

 

 

Nope, I tried to say that I am seeing this behavior on all web pages.

 

 

 

 

NVDA used to perform so that if I issued ctrl+home and then started tabbing

down the page it started moving down the page from the top of the page.  Now

it starts tabbing from where I was when I issued the ctrl+home.

 

 

 

 

This happens in the opposite way for issuing the ctrl+end keystroke.

 

 

 

 

Dan Beaver

 

 

On 2/14/2021 10:51 PM, Gene wrote:

If you are saying that pages act as you expect generally, that may support

my guess that you are discussing a small number of pages where the

underlying page doesn't synchronize with where the brows mode virtual cursor

is when you move around.  I don't know if that is just a problem with NVDA

or what might be done about it.  I don't recall if I saw that behavior with

other screen-readers, having used NVDA for a number of years.  But, as I

said, using k and control k may work around the problem.

 

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:12 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and

then tabbing

 

 

 

It seems to be all web pages as far as I can tell.  I wondered if it was

specific pages but I can't find any that act as I had previously expected.

 

 

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

Dan Beaver

 

 

On 2/14/2021 6:45 PM, Gene wrote:

Is this on web pages in general or just this or that page?  There are pages

where browse mode doesn't line up properly with where you are on the page

and tabbing, which seems to move more in conformance to where forms mode, or

the underlying page is when the two diverge, may result in you losing your

place.  I'm not sure if there is a general problem that needs to be

addressed.  But if you want to move by links, use k and control k.  K to

move forward and control k to move back.  You will be where you expect.

 

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 5:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then

tabbing

 

 

 

I have been bothered with this for a while but finally figured out what was

happening.

 

 

 

 

If I am on a web page and I move down through the page I hear normal info.

However, if I press ctrl+home or ctrl+end to move to the top or bottom of

the page and then press tab or shift+tab to move through the links and other

controls it moves from where I was before issuing ctrl+home or end not from

the top or bottom of the page where ever I am at the time.

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, that was a terribly long explanation and probably confusing as all

get out.

 

 

 

 

I expected that once I press ctrl+home and do tabs it would move from the

top of the page through the controls not from where I was when I issued the

ctrl+home.

 

 

 

 

It does the same thing if issuing ctrl+end and then tabbing or

shift+tabbing.

 

 

 

 

Is this something that can be fixed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing

Gene
 

I don't know why. You may want to try using NVDA running from the exe file to see if the behavior is as expected. Ifit is, you can try reinstalling NVDA.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing



Nope, I tried to say that I am seeing this behavior on all web pages.




NVDA used to perform so that if I issued ctrl+home and then started tabbing down the page it started moving down the page from the top of the page. Now it starts tabbing from where I was when I issued the ctrl+home.




This happens in the opposite way for issuing the ctrl+end keystroke.




Dan Beaver


On 2/14/2021 10:51 PM, Gene wrote:
If you are saying that pages act as you expect generally, that may support my guess that you are discussing a small number of pages where the underlying page doesn't synchronize with where the brows mode virtual cursor is when you move around. I don't know if that is just a problem with NVDA or what might be done about it. I don't recall if I saw that behavior with other screen-readers, having used NVDA for a number of years. But, as I said, using k and control k may work around the problem.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing



It seems to be all web pages as far as I can tell. I wondered if it was specific pages but I can't find any that act as I had previously expected.




Thanks.




Dan Beaver


On 2/14/2021 6:45 PM, Gene wrote:
Is this on web pages in general or just this or that page? There are pages where browse mode doesn't line up properly with where you are on the page and tabbing, which seems to move more in conformance to where forms mode, or the underlying page is when the two diverge, may result in you losing your place. I'm not sure if there is a general problem that needs to be addressed. But if you want to move by links, use k and control k. K to move forward and control k to move back. You will be where you expect.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing



I have been bothered with this for a while but finally figured out what was happening.




If I am on a web page and I move down through the page I hear normal info. However, if I press ctrl+home or ctrl+end to move to the top or bottom of the page and then press tab or shift+tab to move through the links and other controls it moves from where I was before issuing ctrl+home or end not from the top or bottom of the page where ever I am at the time.





Sorry, that was a terribly long explanation and probably confusing as all get out.




I expected that once I press ctrl+home and do tabs it would move from the top of the page through the controls not from where I was when I issued the ctrl+home.




It does the same thing if issuing ctrl+end and then tabbing or shift+tabbing.




Is this something that can be fixed?







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA goes mad

Gene
 

If you had save settings on exit in force, the default, and if settings had been changed but the saved settings were still the same, you would have lost the saved settings. If you had had save settings on exit turhned off, which is not the default, you could have safely done this and not lost the settings and you might have restored proper behavior. Your comment is a further illustration of why save settings on exit should not be the default.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: brice Mijares
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 8:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

I would have hit control alt N to restart NVDA if this would have
happened to me.

On 2/14/2021 12:39 PM, Hettie wrote:
Hi all


NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it got stuck.

It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA. Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation file by pressing N.

It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.


Hettie



Re: an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing

Dan Beaver
 

Nope, I tried to say that I am seeing this behavior on all web pages.


NVDA used to perform so that if I issued ctrl+home and then started tabbing down the page it started moving down the page from the top of the page.  Now it starts tabbing from where I was when I issued the ctrl+home.


This happens in the opposite way for issuing the ctrl+end keystroke.


Dan Beaver

On 2/14/2021 10:51 PM, Gene wrote:
If you are saying that pages act as you expect generally, that may support my guess that you are discussing a small number of pages where the underlying page doesn't synchronize with where the brows mode virtual cursor is when you move around.  I don't know if that is just a problem with NVDA or what might be done about it.  I don't recall if I saw that behavior with other screen-readers, having used NVDA for a number of years.  But, as I said, using k and control k may work around the problem.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing



It seems to be all web pages as far as I can tell.  I wondered if it was specific pages but I can't find any that act as I had previously expected.




Thanks.




Dan Beaver


On 2/14/2021 6:45 PM, Gene wrote:
Is this on web pages in general or just this or that page?  There are pages where browse mode doesn't line up properly with where you are on the page and tabbing, which seems to move more in conformance to where forms mode, or the underlying page is when the two diverge, may result in you losing your place.  I'm not sure if there is a general problem that needs to be addressed.  But if you want to move by links, use k and control k.  K to move forward and control k to move back.  You will be where you expect.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing



I have been bothered with this for a while but finally figured out what was happening.




If I am on a web page and I move down through the page I hear normal info. However, if I press ctrl+home or ctrl+end to move to the top or bottom of the page and then press tab or shift+tab to move through the links and other controls it moves from where I was before issuing ctrl+home or end not from the top or bottom of the page where ever I am at the time.





Sorry, that was a terribly long explanation and probably confusing as all get out.




I expected that once I press ctrl+home and do tabs it would move from the top of the page through the controls not from where I was when I issued the ctrl+home.




It does the same thing if issuing ctrl+end and then tabbing or shift+tabbing.




Is this something that can be fixed?







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA goes mad

brice Mijares
 

I would have hit control alt N to restart NVDA if this would have  happened to me.

On 2/14/2021 12:39 PM, Hettie wrote:
Hi all


NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it got stuck.

It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA. Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation file by pressing N.

It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.


Hettie



Re: NVDA goes mad

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

Thanks for all the valuable comments, I'll save them for future use which I hope never returns again.


Hettie

On 2/15/2021 1:07 PM, Gene wrote:
You might be able to continue to use NVDA by running it from the exxe file, using the continue option after you accept the license.  You won't be running the installed version and can uninstall it and then unload and run the exe file again and reinstall NVDA.  Iff you are more comfortable using NVDA, you can try that and see if it runs properly from the exe file.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Hettie
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad



Was funny for a while especially when it got the hicups and couldn't stop but then the frustration took over. Smiles.




Hettie




On 2/15/2021 9:30 AM, Arlene wrote:


Yes, good old Narrator. About NVDA speeding up and getting stuck like an old record. Lol! In all seriousness that’s creepy.   Sorry you went through that kind of frustration. Glad you got it fixed. That’s craziness.  No wonder some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Felix G.
Sent: February 14, 2021 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad





Hello,

in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

Best,

Felix



Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie mailto:woehler.hettie@gmail.com:

Hi all
NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast
that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it
got stuck.
It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.
Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install
it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was
easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it
is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation
file by pressing N.
It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.
Hettie
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Re: NVDA goes mad

Gene
 

As another example of why the current default behavior is bad, not too long ago, I reverted to factory settings for some reason. I didn't intend the reversion to be permanent. I had, in my changed settings, set NVDA not to automatically save settings on exit. After I reverted to factory settings, I shut down NVDA. I hadn't considered that, since I had reverted to factory settings, the save on exit behavior would also be in force again. The result is that I lost all my settings.

Automatically save on exit is a just plain bad default setting. Simply teach new users to use NVDA key control c to permanently save settings. there is such a thing as too much automation in the name of convenience.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

That might solve the problem or even using the command NVDA key control r
once, which reloads settings from the saved configuration. But this will
only possibly work if you haven't shut down and restarted NVDA. NVDA, in a
setting I think is a very bad one, just asking to cause trouble, by default,
saves settings when it is shut down. So if something changed the settings
and you close the program, the setting or settings that are causing the
problem will be saved and the settings you want will be lost. I've said a
number of times in the past that automatically saving settings should not be
the default but there is no interest in changing the setting.

Also, during the time Window-eyes was in wide use, one of its advantages was
considered to be that you could change settings and they wouldn't be
permanently saved until you manually permanently saved them. This allowed
users to experiment with different settings without fear that they had lost
the settings they usually use. This was especially valuable for new users.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

You might also try pressing NVDA+CTRL+R three times quickly. This
reverts your NVDA settings to factory defaults.

Am Mo., 15. Feb. 2021 um 12:07 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:

You might be able to continue to use NVDA by running it from the exxe file,
using the continue option after you accept the license. You won't be
running the installed version and can uninstall it and then unload and run
the exe file again and reinstall NVDA. Iff you are more comfortable using
NVDA, you can try that and see if it runs properly from the exe file.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Hettie
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad



Was funny for a while especially when it got the hicups and couldn't stop
but then the frustration took over. Smiles.




Hettie




On 2/15/2021 9:30 AM, Arlene wrote:


Yes, good old Narrator. About NVDA speeding up and getting stuck like an old
record. Lol! In all seriousness that’s creepy. Sorry you went through that
kind of frustration. Glad you got it fixed. That’s craziness. No wonder
some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Felix G.
Sent: February 14, 2021 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad





Hello,

in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

Best,

Felix



Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie
mailto:woehler.hettie@gmail.com:

Hi all
NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast
that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it
got stuck.
It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.
Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install
it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was
easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it
is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation
file by pressing N.
It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.
Hettie
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Re: NVDA goes mad

Gene
 

That might solve the problem or even using the command NVDA key control r once, which reloads settings from the saved configuration. But this will only possibly work if you haven't shut down and restarted NVDA. NVDA, in a setting I think is a very bad one, just asking to cause trouble, by default, saves settings when it is shut down. So if something changed the settings and you close the program, the setting or settings that are causing the problem will be saved and the settings you want will be lost. I've said a number of times in the past that automatically saving settings should not be the default but there is no interest in changing the setting.

Also, during the time Window-eyes was in wide use, one of its advantages was considered to be that you could change settings and they wouldn't be permanently saved until you manually permanently saved them. This allowed users to experiment with different settings without fear that they had lost the settings they usually use. This was especially valuable for new users.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

You might also try pressing NVDA+CTRL+R three times quickly. This
reverts your NVDA settings to factory defaults.

Am Mo., 15. Feb. 2021 um 12:07 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:

You might be able to continue to use NVDA by running it from the exxe file,
using the continue option after you accept the license. You won't be
running the installed version and can uninstall it and then unload and run
the exe file again and reinstall NVDA. Iff you are more comfortable using
NVDA, you can try that and see if it runs properly from the exe file.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Hettie
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad



Was funny for a while especially when it got the hicups and couldn't stop
but then the frustration took over. Smiles.




Hettie




On 2/15/2021 9:30 AM, Arlene wrote:


Yes, good old Narrator. About NVDA speeding up and getting stuck like an old
record. Lol! In all seriousness that’s creepy. Sorry you went through that
kind of frustration. Glad you got it fixed. That’s craziness. No wonder
some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Felix G.
Sent: February 14, 2021 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad





Hello,

in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

Best,

Felix



Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie
mailto:woehler.hettie@gmail.com:

Hi all
NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast
that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it
got stuck.
It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.
Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install
it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was
easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it
is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation
file by pressing N.
It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.
Hettie
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Re: NVDA goes mad

Felix G.
 

You might also try pressing NVDA+CTRL+R three times quickly. This
reverts your NVDA settings to factory defaults.

Am Mo., 15. Feb. 2021 um 12:07 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:


You might be able to continue to use NVDA by running it from the exxe file,
using the continue option after you accept the license. You won't be
running the installed version and can uninstall it and then unload and run
the exe file again and reinstall NVDA. Iff you are more comfortable using
NVDA, you can try that and see if it runs properly from the exe file.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Hettie
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad



Was funny for a while especially when it got the hicups and couldn't stop
but then the frustration took over. Smiles.




Hettie




On 2/15/2021 9:30 AM, Arlene wrote:


Yes, good old Narrator. About NVDA speeding up and getting stuck like an old
record. Lol! In all seriousness that’s creepy. Sorry you went through that
kind of frustration. Glad you got it fixed. That’s craziness. No wonder
some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Felix G.
Sent: February 14, 2021 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad





Hello,

in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

Best,

Felix



Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie
mailto:woehler.hettie@gmail.com:

Hi all
NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast
that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it
got stuck.
It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.
Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install
it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was
easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it
is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation
file by pressing N.
It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.
Hettie
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Re: NVDA goes mad

Gene
 

You might be able to continue to use NVDA by running it from the exxe file, using the continue option after you accept the license. You won't be running the installed version and can uninstall it and then unload and run the exe file again and reinstall NVDA. Iff you are more comfortable using NVDA, you can try that and see if it runs properly from the exe file.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hettie
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad



Was funny for a while especially when it got the hicups and couldn't stop but then the frustration took over. Smiles.




Hettie




On 2/15/2021 9:30 AM, Arlene wrote:


Yes, good old Narrator. About NVDA speeding up and getting stuck like an old record. Lol! In all seriousness that’s creepy. Sorry you went through that kind of frustration. Glad you got it fixed. That’s craziness. No wonder some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Felix G.
Sent: February 14, 2021 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad





Hello,

in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

Best,

Felix



Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie mailto:woehler.hettie@gmail.com:

Hi all
NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast
that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it
got stuck.
It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.
Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install
it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was
easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it
is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation
file by pressing N.
It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.
Hettie
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Re: NVDA goes mad

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

Was funny for a while especially when it got the hicups and couldn't stop but then the frustration took over. Smiles.


Hettie


On 2/15/2021 9:30 AM, Arlene wrote:

Yes, good old Narrator. About NVDA speeding up and getting stuck like an old record. Lol! In all seriousness that’s creepy.   Sorry you went through that kind of frustration. Glad you got it fixed.  That’s craziness.  No wonder some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.

 

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From: Felix G.
Sent: February 14, 2021 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

 

Hello,

in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

Best,

Felix

 

Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>:

> Hi all

> NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast

> that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it

> got stuck.

> It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.

> Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install

> it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was

> easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it

> is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation

> file by pressing N.

> It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.

> Hettie

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Re: NVDA goes mad

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

thanks, I never think of using nirator, will keep it in mind for the future.


Hettie

On 2/15/2021 8:40 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get
through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie <woehler.hettie@gmail.com>:
Hi all


NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast
that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it
got stuck.

It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.
Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install
it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was
easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it
is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation
file by pressing N.

It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.


Hettie



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Re: NVDA goes mad

Arlene
 

Yes, good old Narrator. About NVDA speeding up and getting stuck like an old record. Lol! In all seriousness that’s creepy.   Sorry you went through that kind of frustration. Glad you got it fixed.  That’s craziness.  No wonder some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Felix G.
Sent: February 14, 2021 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

 

Hello,

in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

Best,

Felix

 

Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>:

> Hi all

> NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast

> that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it

> got stuck.

> It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.

> Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install

> it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was

> easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it

> is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation

> file by pressing N.

> It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.

> Hettie

> --

> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.

> https://www.avg.com

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA goes mad

Felix G.
 

Hello,
in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get
through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie <woehler.hettie@gmail.com>:


Hi all


NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast
that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it
got stuck.

It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.
Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install
it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was
easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it
is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation
file by pressing N.

It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.


Hettie



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Re: NVDA 2020.4 rc1

Luke Davis
 

A question: After you have closed the program, can you press alt+tab, and hear
how many programs windows thinks you have open?
For example, close Thunderbird, and it doesn't return you to the desktop.

Then, hold down alt, and repeatedly press tab. It will say something like:
program name, row 1, column 1. Program name, row 1, column 2. And so on. How
many columns does it say you have?

If you get any more than one column, then you have something open you may not
know about. Perhaps you aren't hearing the desktop, because it's returning to
an inaccessible window, or a non-speaking Windows notification, or some such.

Luke

On Sun, 14 Feb 2021, Don H wrote:

Running NVDA 2020.4 RC1 on a Win 10 20h2 system. When returning to the
desktop after closing something like Thunderbird or MS edge it seems you are
not back to the desktop. Prir to this RC1 when closing edge or thunderbird
NVDA would announce desktop and the icon you were on. Now it says nothing


Re: NVDA 2020.4 rc1

Luke Davis
 

On Sun, 14 Feb 2021, Don H wrote:

Running NVDA 2020.4 RC1 on a Win 10 20h2 system. When returning to the desktop after closing something like Thunderbird or MS edge it seems you are not back to the desktop. Prir to this RC1 when closing edge or thunderbird NVDA would announce desktop and the icon you were on. Now it says nothing
In my experience, as a Windows function not NVDA, when you close a program, you are taken to another open program, probably the one you last alt+tabbed to.

and you have to bab or use other means to get to the desktop.
What is this babbing of which you speak?

Luke


Re: an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing

Gene
 

If you are saying that pages act as you expect generally, that may support my guess that you are discussing a small number of pages where the underlying page doesn't synchronize with where the brows mode virtual cursor is when you move around. I don't know if that is just a problem with NVDA or what might be done about it. I don't recall if I saw that behavior with other screen-readers, having used NVDA for a number of years. But, as I said, using k and control k may work around the problem.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing



It seems to be all web pages as far as I can tell. I wondered if it was specific pages but I can't find any that act as I had previously expected.




Thanks.




Dan Beaver


On 2/14/2021 6:45 PM, Gene wrote:
Is this on web pages in general or just this or that page? There are pages where browse mode doesn't line up properly with where you are on the page and tabbing, which seems to move more in conformance to where forms mode, or the underlying page is when the two diverge, may result in you losing your place. I'm not sure if there is a general problem that needs to be addressed. But if you want to move by links, use k and control k. K to move forward and control k to move back. You will be where you expect.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing



I have been bothered with this for a while but finally figured out what was happening.




If I am on a web page and I move down through the page I hear normal info. However, if I press ctrl+home or ctrl+end to move to the top or bottom of the page and then press tab or shift+tab to move through the links and other controls it moves from where I was before issuing ctrl+home or end not from the top or bottom of the page where ever I am at the time.





Sorry, that was a terribly long explanation and probably confusing as all get out.




I expected that once I press ctrl+home and do tabs it would move from the top of the page through the controls not from where I was when I issued the ctrl+home.




It does the same thing if issuing ctrl+end and then tabbing or shift+tabbing.




Is this something that can be fixed?







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Re: NVDA 2020.4 rc1

Sarah k Alawami
 

I don't think this is a nvda issue. What steps are you taking to produce this bug? I never end up at my desktop, I end up back to where I was.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 4:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 rc1

Running NVDA 2020.4 RC1 on a Win 10 20h2 system. When returning to the desktop after closing something like Thunderbird or MS edge it seems you are not back to the desktop. Prir to this RC1 when closing edge or thunderbird NVDA would announce desktop and the icon you were on. Now it says nothing and you have to bab or use other means to get to the desktop.


Re: an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing

Dan Beaver
 

It seems to be all web pages as far as I can tell.  I wondered if it was specific pages but I can't find any that act as I had previously expected.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver

On 2/14/2021 6:45 PM, Gene wrote:
Is this on web pages in general or just this or that page?  There are pages where browse mode doesn't line up properly with where you are on the page and tabbing, which seems to move more in conformance to where forms mode, or the underlying page is when the two diverge, may result in you losing your place.  I'm not sure if there is a general problem that needs to be addressed.  But if you want to move by links, use k and control k.  K to move forward and control k to move back.  You will be where you expect.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing



I have been bothered with this for a while but finally figured out what was happening.




If I am on a web page and I move down through the page I hear normal info. However, if I press ctrl+home or ctrl+end to move to the top or bottom of the page and then press tab or shift+tab to move through the links and other controls it moves from where I was before issuing ctrl+home or end not from the top or bottom of the page where ever I am at the time.





Sorry, that was a terribly long explanation and probably confusing as all get out.




I expected that once I press ctrl+home and do tabs it would move from the top of the page through the controls not from where I was when I issued the ctrl+home.




It does the same thing if issuing ctrl+end and then tabbing or shift+tabbing.




Is this something that can be fixed?







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







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Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

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