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Re: NVDA goes mad

 

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Arlene wrote:
No wonder some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.
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And find out, in short order, that other OSes and the software that runs on them have their issues, too.

I honestly can't count the number of service calls I've gotten from "ship jumpers" who did so without a moment's thought, or research, who can't manage what they've elected to jump to at all.

Once you're comfortable with an ecosystem, any one of 'em, think very long and hard before believing that going to another is a solution to all the things you dislike.  The learning curve is shallow, and tedious, and most often very frustrating.  Almost none of us understands how much of what we do "without thinking" under what we're used to using requires having to think things through all over again elsewhere.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

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Re: NVDA goes mad

Arlene
 

Narator is good for getting yu out of a jam.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hettie
Sent: February 15, 2021 2:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

 

thanks, I never think of using nirator, will keep it in mind for the future.

 

 

Hettie

 

 

On 2/15/2021 8:40 AM, Felix G. wrote:

> Hello,

> in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

> through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

> Best,

> Felix

> Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>:

>> Hi all

>> 

>> 

>> NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast

>> that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it

>> got stuck.

>> 

>> It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.

>> Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install

>> it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was

>> easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it

>> is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation

>> file by pressing N.

>> 

>> It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.

>> 

>> 

>> Hettie

>> 

>> 

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Re: NVDA goes mad

Arlene
 

Well now you got it all solved and you can go about your new day. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hettie
Sent: February 15, 2021 3:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

 

Was funny for a while especially when it got the hicups and couldn't stop but then the frustration took over. Smiles.

 

Hettie

 

On 2/15/2021 9:30 AM, Arlene wrote:

Yes, good old Narrator. About NVDA speeding up and getting stuck like an old record. Lol! In all seriousness that’s creepy.   Sorry you went through that kind of frustration. Glad you got it fixed.  That’s craziness.  No wonder some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Felix G.
Sent: February 14, 2021 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

 

Hello,

in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

Best,

Felix

 

Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>:

> Hi all

> NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast

> that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it

> got stuck.

> It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.

> Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install

> it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was

> easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it

> is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation

> file by pressing N.

> It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.

> Hettie

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> https://www.avg.com

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Re: NVDA goes mad

 

That final line should have had, "there will never be an ideal default for everyone," not, "anyone," as its end.

Any given default might be perfectly peachy for some random anyone.  But it certainly won't be for everyone.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA goes mad

 
Edited

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 11:05 AM, Gene wrote:
I say it is bad because it leads to unanticipated trouble for people and most people don't even know about it in case they would want to change it.
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Which is true about any blessed default you can name.  There is nothing difficult about the concept that most people (including myself) have no idea of what most of the defaults are for any piece of software they use.

Any one of these has the potential to cause trouble.  It's that simple.

I dislike a lot of defaults, vehemently, but my personal disposition toward any one of them really doesn't make it bad for everyone, or even, perhaps, for the majority.  Defaults must be chosen, and we each like or dislike those choices, but trying to argue that any given switch should be on or off because someone might not know that something might or might not happen is an invalid argument, because it is always true, no matter what the choice.

There is a reason that the charming old saying, RTFM, exists.  You can change that M to H for Help, or D for documentation, or whatever.  But the need for people to consult reference material will never go away, and there will never be an ideal default for everyone.
 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

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Re: NVDA goes mad

Gene
 

I don't say a setting is bad just because I don't like it. I say it is bad because it leads to unanticipated trouble for people and most people don't even know about it in case they would want to change it.

I discuss the setting now and then when something comes up where it either causes or is likely to cause a problem. I gave a concrete example of where it can cause a serious ;problem based on my own experience.

If something being discussed raises the issue as in this thread, and I discuss it perhaps three or four months apart, that serves a purpose because a lot of people skip various messages and may not know about the issue. It may save some people from problems, perhaps serious ones.

And in one of the follow-up messages, another list member demonstrates how exactly the opposite of what is intended may occur if you follow a generally followed trouble shooting method, that is, closing and rerunning the browser. a lot of people won't know that changed settings will be automatically saved.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 06:30 AM, Gene wrote:
Automatically save on exit is a just plain bad default setting.-
Gene, every default you do not like is not "bad" just because you do not like it. This song is getting very, very old, and has been repeated ad nauseam.

No matter what default is chosen, someone is going to love it, someone is going to hate it, and most aren't going to care until or unless they're caught unaware, regardless of exactly how they're caught unaware.

Every one of your complaints is about how it doesn't suit you. That really doesn't make it bad.

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


A Note on Settings in General

 
Edited

Several recent topics point out just how important it is to have recorded settings you have elected to change that are not default behaviors.  In the case of this group, for NVDA in particular, but the principle is more broad.

Most of us spend a lot of time customizing things to our own personal liking, and that most often comes about by changing settings of one kind or another.  Over time, if you do not keep a record of what you've done in which things, you will eventually forget what those were.  When you need to redo them at a later point on a new computer, or after someone has had to do a completely fresh install of your operating system and application software, it can be maddening to try to re-create the working environment you had.

I have been as guilty of not creating a record as anyone.  But having an MS-Word or Notepad document, where your tweaks by software title or website or whatever had the tweaks made are kept, will come to the rescue of your sanity and sense of composure at some point.  It's the exact when that's unknown.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA goes mad

 

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 06:30 AM, Gene wrote:
Automatically save on exit is a just plain bad default setting.
-
Gene, every default you do not like is not "bad" just because you do not like it.   This song is getting very, very old, and has been repeated ad nauseam.

No matter what default is chosen, someone is going to love it, someone is going to hate it, and most aren't going to care until or unless they're caught unaware, regardless of exactly how they're caught unaware.  

Every one of your complaints is about how it doesn't suit you.  That really doesn't make it bad.
 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing

Dan Beaver
 

Awesome!  Thank you very much Carlos.  That fixed the issue.  After all the time I have used NVDA I didn't know about that function or how it even worked.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver

On 2/15/2021 10:43 AM, Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías via groups.io wrote:

Hi all.

The option Automatically set system focus to focusable elements is disabled. The solution of this is press NVDA+8.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Soporte a usuarios, comunidad de NVDA en español.

Web www.nvda.es

Experto certificado en NVDA

 

De: Gene
Enviado: lunes, 15 de febrero de 2021 10:19
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing

 

I don't know why.  You may want to try using NVDA running from the exe file

to see if the behavior is as expected.  Ifit is, you can try reinstalling

NVDA.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 8:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and

then tabbing

 

 

 

Nope, I tried to say that I am seeing this behavior on all web pages.

 

 

 

 

NVDA used to perform so that if I issued ctrl+home and then started tabbing

down the page it started moving down the page from the top of the page.  Now

it starts tabbing from where I was when I issued the ctrl+home.

 

 

 

 

This happens in the opposite way for issuing the ctrl+end keystroke.

 

 

 

 

Dan Beaver

 

 

On 2/14/2021 10:51 PM, Gene wrote:

If you are saying that pages act as you expect generally, that may support

my guess that you are discussing a small number of pages where the

underlying page doesn't synchronize with where the brows mode virtual cursor

is when you move around.  I don't know if that is just a problem with NVDA

or what might be done about it.  I don't recall if I saw that behavior with

other screen-readers, having used NVDA for a number of years.  But, as I

said, using k and control k may work around the problem.

 

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:12 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and

then tabbing

 

 

 

It seems to be all web pages as far as I can tell.  I wondered if it was

specific pages but I can't find any that act as I had previously expected.

 

 

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

Dan Beaver

 

 

On 2/14/2021 6:45 PM, Gene wrote:

Is this on web pages in general or just this or that page?  There are pages

where browse mode doesn't line up properly with where you are on the page

and tabbing, which seems to move more in conformance to where forms mode, or

the underlying page is when the two diverge, may result in you losing your

place.  I'm not sure if there is a general problem that needs to be

addressed.  But if you want to move by links, use k and control k.  K to

move forward and control k to move back.  You will be where you expect.

 

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 5:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then

tabbing

 

 

 

I have been bothered with this for a while but finally figured out what was

happening.

 

 

 

 

If I am on a web page and I move down through the page I hear normal info.

However, if I press ctrl+home or ctrl+end to move to the top or bottom of

the page and then press tab or shift+tab to move through the links and other

controls it moves from where I was before issuing ctrl+home or end not from

the top or bottom of the page where ever I am at the time.

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, that was a terribly long explanation and probably confusing as all

get out.

 

 

 

 

I expected that once I press ctrl+home and do tabs it would move from the

top of the page through the controls not from where I was when I issued the

ctrl+home.

 

 

 

 

It does the same thing if issuing ctrl+end and then tabbing or

shift+tabbing.

 

 

 

 

Is this something that can be fixed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: NVDA 2020.4 rc1

Sanjog Kumawat
 

Hi,

 

I have Windows 10 Pro 20h2 with NVDA 2020.4. When I open Microsoft Edge, I am able to return to desktop when I minimise Edge by the “Minimize” option or “Windows + Down arrow” shortcut key. The behaviour is normal. I do not use Thunderbird.

 

With Best Regards,

Sanjog Kumawat


Re: an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
 

Hi all.

The option Automatically set system focus to focusable elements is disabled. The solution of this is press NVDA+8.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Soporte a usuarios, comunidad de NVDA en español.

Web www.nvda.es

Experto certificado en NVDA

 

De: Gene
Enviado: lunes, 15 de febrero de 2021 10:19
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing

 

I don't know why.  You may want to try using NVDA running from the exe file

to see if the behavior is as expected.  Ifit is, you can try reinstalling

NVDA.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 8:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and

then tabbing

 

 

 

Nope, I tried to say that I am seeing this behavior on all web pages.

 

 

 

 

NVDA used to perform so that if I issued ctrl+home and then started tabbing

down the page it started moving down the page from the top of the page.  Now

it starts tabbing from where I was when I issued the ctrl+home.

 

 

 

 

This happens in the opposite way for issuing the ctrl+end keystroke.

 

 

 

 

Dan Beaver

 

 

On 2/14/2021 10:51 PM, Gene wrote:

If you are saying that pages act as you expect generally, that may support

my guess that you are discussing a small number of pages where the

underlying page doesn't synchronize with where the brows mode virtual cursor

is when you move around.  I don't know if that is just a problem with NVDA

or what might be done about it.  I don't recall if I saw that behavior with

other screen-readers, having used NVDA for a number of years.  But, as I

said, using k and control k may work around the problem.

 

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:12 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and

then tabbing

 

 

 

It seems to be all web pages as far as I can tell.  I wondered if it was

specific pages but I can't find any that act as I had previously expected.

 

 

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

Dan Beaver

 

 

On 2/14/2021 6:45 PM, Gene wrote:

Is this on web pages in general or just this or that page?  There are pages

where browse mode doesn't line up properly with where you are on the page

and tabbing, which seems to move more in conformance to where forms mode, or

the underlying page is when the two diverge, may result in you losing your

place.  I'm not sure if there is a general problem that needs to be

addressed.  But if you want to move by links, use k and control k.  K to

move forward and control k to move back.  You will be where you expect.

 

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 5:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then

tabbing

 

 

 

I have been bothered with this for a while but finally figured out what was

happening.

 

 

 

 

If I am on a web page and I move down through the page I hear normal info.

However, if I press ctrl+home or ctrl+end to move to the top or bottom of

the page and then press tab or shift+tab to move through the links and other

controls it moves from where I was before issuing ctrl+home or end not from

the top or bottom of the page where ever I am at the time.

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, that was a terribly long explanation and probably confusing as all

get out.

 

 

 

 

I expected that once I press ctrl+home and do tabs it would move from the

top of the page through the controls not from where I was when I issued the

ctrl+home.

 

 

 

 

It does the same thing if issuing ctrl+end and then tabbing or

shift+tabbing.

 

 

 

 

Is this something that can be fixed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

 

 

 

 

 

 


--

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Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people and with visual disability in use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.


Re: an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing

Gene
 

I don't know why. You may want to try using NVDA running from the exe file to see if the behavior is as expected. Ifit is, you can try reinstalling NVDA.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing



Nope, I tried to say that I am seeing this behavior on all web pages.




NVDA used to perform so that if I issued ctrl+home and then started tabbing down the page it started moving down the page from the top of the page. Now it starts tabbing from where I was when I issued the ctrl+home.




This happens in the opposite way for issuing the ctrl+end keystroke.




Dan Beaver


On 2/14/2021 10:51 PM, Gene wrote:
If you are saying that pages act as you expect generally, that may support my guess that you are discussing a small number of pages where the underlying page doesn't synchronize with where the brows mode virtual cursor is when you move around. I don't know if that is just a problem with NVDA or what might be done about it. I don't recall if I saw that behavior with other screen-readers, having used NVDA for a number of years. But, as I said, using k and control k may work around the problem.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing



It seems to be all web pages as far as I can tell. I wondered if it was specific pages but I can't find any that act as I had previously expected.




Thanks.




Dan Beaver


On 2/14/2021 6:45 PM, Gene wrote:
Is this on web pages in general or just this or that page? There are pages where browse mode doesn't line up properly with where you are on the page and tabbing, which seems to move more in conformance to where forms mode, or the underlying page is when the two diverge, may result in you losing your place. I'm not sure if there is a general problem that needs to be addressed. But if you want to move by links, use k and control k. K to move forward and control k to move back. You will be where you expect.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing



I have been bothered with this for a while but finally figured out what was happening.




If I am on a web page and I move down through the page I hear normal info. However, if I press ctrl+home or ctrl+end to move to the top or bottom of the page and then press tab or shift+tab to move through the links and other controls it moves from where I was before issuing ctrl+home or end not from the top or bottom of the page where ever I am at the time.





Sorry, that was a terribly long explanation and probably confusing as all get out.




I expected that once I press ctrl+home and do tabs it would move from the top of the page through the controls not from where I was when I issued the ctrl+home.




It does the same thing if issuing ctrl+end and then tabbing or shift+tabbing.




Is this something that can be fixed?







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA goes mad

Gene
 

If you had save settings on exit in force, the default, and if settings had been changed but the saved settings were still the same, you would have lost the saved settings. If you had had save settings on exit turhned off, which is not the default, you could have safely done this and not lost the settings and you might have restored proper behavior. Your comment is a further illustration of why save settings on exit should not be the default.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: brice Mijares
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 8:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

I would have hit control alt N to restart NVDA if this would have
happened to me.

On 2/14/2021 12:39 PM, Hettie wrote:
Hi all


NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it got stuck.

It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA. Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation file by pressing N.

It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.


Hettie



Re: an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing

Dan Beaver
 

Nope, I tried to say that I am seeing this behavior on all web pages.


NVDA used to perform so that if I issued ctrl+home and then started tabbing down the page it started moving down the page from the top of the page.  Now it starts tabbing from where I was when I issued the ctrl+home.


This happens in the opposite way for issuing the ctrl+end keystroke.


Dan Beaver

On 2/14/2021 10:51 PM, Gene wrote:
If you are saying that pages act as you expect generally, that may support my guess that you are discussing a small number of pages where the underlying page doesn't synchronize with where the brows mode virtual cursor is when you move around.  I don't know if that is just a problem with NVDA or what might be done about it.  I don't recall if I saw that behavior with other screen-readers, having used NVDA for a number of years.  But, as I said, using k and control k may work around the problem.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing



It seems to be all web pages as far as I can tell.  I wondered if it was specific pages but I can't find any that act as I had previously expected.




Thanks.




Dan Beaver


On 2/14/2021 6:45 PM, Gene wrote:
Is this on web pages in general or just this or that page?  There are pages where browse mode doesn't line up properly with where you are on the page and tabbing, which seems to move more in conformance to where forms mode, or the underlying page is when the two diverge, may result in you losing your place.  I'm not sure if there is a general problem that needs to be addressed.  But if you want to move by links, use k and control k.  K to move forward and control k to move back.  You will be where you expect.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] an oddity with moving to top or bottom of web page and then tabbing



I have been bothered with this for a while but finally figured out what was happening.




If I am on a web page and I move down through the page I hear normal info. However, if I press ctrl+home or ctrl+end to move to the top or bottom of the page and then press tab or shift+tab to move through the links and other controls it moves from where I was before issuing ctrl+home or end not from the top or bottom of the page where ever I am at the time.





Sorry, that was a terribly long explanation and probably confusing as all get out.




I expected that once I press ctrl+home and do tabs it would move from the top of the page through the controls not from where I was when I issued the ctrl+home.




It does the same thing if issuing ctrl+end and then tabbing or shift+tabbing.




Is this something that can be fixed?







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA goes mad

brice Mijares
 

I would have hit control alt N to restart NVDA if this would have  happened to me.

On 2/14/2021 12:39 PM, Hettie wrote:
Hi all


NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it got stuck.

It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA. Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation file by pressing N.

It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.


Hettie



Re: NVDA goes mad

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

Thanks for all the valuable comments, I'll save them for future use which I hope never returns again.


Hettie

On 2/15/2021 1:07 PM, Gene wrote:
You might be able to continue to use NVDA by running it from the exxe file, using the continue option after you accept the license.  You won't be running the installed version and can uninstall it and then unload and run the exe file again and reinstall NVDA.  Iff you are more comfortable using NVDA, you can try that and see if it runs properly from the exe file.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Hettie
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad



Was funny for a while especially when it got the hicups and couldn't stop but then the frustration took over. Smiles.




Hettie




On 2/15/2021 9:30 AM, Arlene wrote:


Yes, good old Narrator. About NVDA speeding up and getting stuck like an old record. Lol! In all seriousness that’s creepy.   Sorry you went through that kind of frustration. Glad you got it fixed. That’s craziness.  No wonder some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Felix G.
Sent: February 14, 2021 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad





Hello,

in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

Best,

Felix



Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie mailto:woehler.hettie@gmail.com:

Hi all
NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast
that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it
got stuck.
It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.
Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install
it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was
easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it
is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation
file by pressing N.
It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.
Hettie
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Re: NVDA goes mad

Gene
 

As another example of why the current default behavior is bad, not too long ago, I reverted to factory settings for some reason. I didn't intend the reversion to be permanent. I had, in my changed settings, set NVDA not to automatically save settings on exit. After I reverted to factory settings, I shut down NVDA. I hadn't considered that, since I had reverted to factory settings, the save on exit behavior would also be in force again. The result is that I lost all my settings.

Automatically save on exit is a just plain bad default setting. Simply teach new users to use NVDA key control c to permanently save settings. there is such a thing as too much automation in the name of convenience.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

That might solve the problem or even using the command NVDA key control r
once, which reloads settings from the saved configuration. But this will
only possibly work if you haven't shut down and restarted NVDA. NVDA, in a
setting I think is a very bad one, just asking to cause trouble, by default,
saves settings when it is shut down. So if something changed the settings
and you close the program, the setting or settings that are causing the
problem will be saved and the settings you want will be lost. I've said a
number of times in the past that automatically saving settings should not be
the default but there is no interest in changing the setting.

Also, during the time Window-eyes was in wide use, one of its advantages was
considered to be that you could change settings and they wouldn't be
permanently saved until you manually permanently saved them. This allowed
users to experiment with different settings without fear that they had lost
the settings they usually use. This was especially valuable for new users.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

You might also try pressing NVDA+CTRL+R three times quickly. This
reverts your NVDA settings to factory defaults.

Am Mo., 15. Feb. 2021 um 12:07 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:

You might be able to continue to use NVDA by running it from the exxe file,
using the continue option after you accept the license. You won't be
running the installed version and can uninstall it and then unload and run
the exe file again and reinstall NVDA. Iff you are more comfortable using
NVDA, you can try that and see if it runs properly from the exe file.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Hettie
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad



Was funny for a while especially when it got the hicups and couldn't stop
but then the frustration took over. Smiles.




Hettie




On 2/15/2021 9:30 AM, Arlene wrote:


Yes, good old Narrator. About NVDA speeding up and getting stuck like an old
record. Lol! In all seriousness that’s creepy. Sorry you went through that
kind of frustration. Glad you got it fixed. That’s craziness. No wonder
some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Felix G.
Sent: February 14, 2021 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad





Hello,

in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

Best,

Felix



Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie
mailto:woehler.hettie@gmail.com:

Hi all
NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast
that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it
got stuck.
It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.
Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install
it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was
easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it
is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation
file by pressing N.
It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.
Hettie
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Re: NVDA goes mad

Gene
 

That might solve the problem or even using the command NVDA key control r once, which reloads settings from the saved configuration. But this will only possibly work if you haven't shut down and restarted NVDA. NVDA, in a setting I think is a very bad one, just asking to cause trouble, by default, saves settings when it is shut down. So if something changed the settings and you close the program, the setting or settings that are causing the problem will be saved and the settings you want will be lost. I've said a number of times in the past that automatically saving settings should not be the default but there is no interest in changing the setting.

Also, during the time Window-eyes was in wide use, one of its advantages was considered to be that you could change settings and they wouldn't be permanently saved until you manually permanently saved them. This allowed users to experiment with different settings without fear that they had lost the settings they usually use. This was especially valuable for new users.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad

You might also try pressing NVDA+CTRL+R three times quickly. This
reverts your NVDA settings to factory defaults.

Am Mo., 15. Feb. 2021 um 12:07 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:

You might be able to continue to use NVDA by running it from the exxe file,
using the continue option after you accept the license. You won't be
running the installed version and can uninstall it and then unload and run
the exe file again and reinstall NVDA. Iff you are more comfortable using
NVDA, you can try that and see if it runs properly from the exe file.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Hettie
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad



Was funny for a while especially when it got the hicups and couldn't stop
but then the frustration took over. Smiles.




Hettie




On 2/15/2021 9:30 AM, Arlene wrote:


Yes, good old Narrator. About NVDA speeding up and getting stuck like an old
record. Lol! In all seriousness that’s creepy. Sorry you went through that
kind of frustration. Glad you got it fixed. That’s craziness. No wonder
some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Felix G.
Sent: February 14, 2021 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad





Hello,

in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

Best,

Felix



Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie
mailto:woehler.hettie@gmail.com:

Hi all
NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast
that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it
got stuck.
It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.
Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install
it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was
easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it
is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation
file by pressing N.
It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.
Hettie
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Re: NVDA goes mad

Felix G.
 

You might also try pressing NVDA+CTRL+R three times quickly. This
reverts your NVDA settings to factory defaults.

Am Mo., 15. Feb. 2021 um 12:07 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:


You might be able to continue to use NVDA by running it from the exxe file,
using the continue option after you accept the license. You won't be
running the installed version and can uninstall it and then unload and run
the exe file again and reinstall NVDA. Iff you are more comfortable using
NVDA, you can try that and see if it runs properly from the exe file.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Hettie
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad



Was funny for a while especially when it got the hicups and couldn't stop
but then the frustration took over. Smiles.




Hettie




On 2/15/2021 9:30 AM, Arlene wrote:


Yes, good old Narrator. About NVDA speeding up and getting stuck like an old
record. Lol! In all seriousness that’s creepy. Sorry you went through that
kind of frustration. Glad you got it fixed. That’s craziness. No wonder
some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Felix G.
Sent: February 14, 2021 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad





Hello,

in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

Best,

Felix



Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie
mailto:woehler.hettie@gmail.com:

Hi all
NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast
that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it
got stuck.
It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.
Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install
it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was
easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it
is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation
file by pressing N.
It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.
Hettie
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Re: NVDA goes mad

Gene
 

You might be able to continue to use NVDA by running it from the exxe file, using the continue option after you accept the license. You won't be running the installed version and can uninstall it and then unload and run the exe file again and reinstall NVDA. Iff you are more comfortable using NVDA, you can try that and see if it runs properly from the exe file.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hettie
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad



Was funny for a while especially when it got the hicups and couldn't stop but then the frustration took over. Smiles.




Hettie




On 2/15/2021 9:30 AM, Arlene wrote:


Yes, good old Narrator. About NVDA speeding up and getting stuck like an old record. Lol! In all seriousness that’s creepy. Sorry you went through that kind of frustration. Glad you got it fixed. That’s craziness. No wonder some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Felix G.
Sent: February 14, 2021 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad





Hello,

in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get

through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10.

Best,

Felix



Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie mailto:woehler.hettie@gmail.com:

Hi all
NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast
that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it
got stuck.
It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA.
Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install
it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was
easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it
is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation
file by pressing N.
It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before.
Hettie
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