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Re: displaying the leader in table of contents
Sascha Cowley
Does JAWS [sic] just not display the leader?I'm assuming you mean NVDA. No, the leader is not spoken, as it is purely visual in nature. If you feel that this is an issue, I suggest searching to see if there is already an issue filed, and, if not, filing an issue on the NVDA GitHub.
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Re: displaying the leader in table of contents
Ann,
You wrote, in part, "Does JAWS just not display the leader?" Serious question: Are you asking about JAWS or NVDA? It wouldn't be the first time someone typed JAWS when they meant NVDA, but sometimes it's an accidental posting to the wrong group. There are lots of folks who do use both. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out. ~ Anton Chekhov
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displaying the leader in table of contents
Ann Byrne
In word 2016 I have set tab stops for a table of contents--6 inches, right aligned, .... as the leader. When I fill in information the titles align correctly, the page numbers align, but there are no little dot dot dots between the title and the beautifully aligned page number. Does JAWS just not display the leader? do I need to do something funky with the Word 2016 settings besides selecting the leader?
Thx, Ann
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Re: Error-logging and Reporting
One more time . . .
Per Quentin Christensen in the topic, NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook: Alpha and Beta builds play an error sound whenever an error is written to the log. RC and stable builds will record exactly the same errors, but don't play a sound. There are a number of situations where NVDA might record an error, however it then tries something else which works, and so most end users wouldn't notice anything amiss. If you can reliably reproduce an error in that situation, as Joseph noted, you can find the exact errors in the log, do test if you can reproduce with add-ons disabled, and if so, it's still worth creating an issue on GitHub for: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues
We'll prioritise issues which have an adverse reaction for users of course, but fixing such an error might still result in a smoother experience.
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out. ~ Anton Chekhov
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Comments in Google Docs
Bhavya shah
Dear all,
In regards to Google Docs and comments, I am looking for any and all tips and tricks to become more efficient in working with them as an NVDA user. A few questions as under: * Are comments in Google Docs more screen reader friendly in certain browsers? If so, which? * I am aware of Ctrl+Alt+M to enter a new comment oneself. What are other useful keyboard shortcuts to, for instance, jump to next and previous comment, to read a list of existing comments, etc.? * I believe the Elements List dialog is unable to show a list of comments in a Google Docs document. If that is correct, is there an existing GitHub ticket requesting this feature? Currently, I use inelegant object navigation to read comments, but I would greatly appreciate better ways of making, reviewing, and responding to comments. Thanks. -- Best Regards Bhavya Shah Stanford University | Class of 2024 E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
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Re: Error-logging and Reporting
Louise Pfau
Hi. Do the release candidates not detect errors, or simply not play the error tone like the betas do? I haven't heard the error tone since I installed 2020.4 RC1.
Thanks, Louise
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Re: Changing from JAWS 2018 to NVDA, some general questions
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 01:04 AM, Gene wrote:
It's [object navigation] something I think that is best learned by mostly examples, having someone do something rather than by a lot of description.- Something upon which we're in complete agreement. I actually think this is true of all things screen reader related for first-time users of a screen reader. Descriptions of what to do and what happens are so much less effective than hands-on experience with trying something and seeing what happens, or doesn't happen. The welcome message for the group includes the following, "Like all screen readers, it is a tool for accessing something else, and really serves no other purpose. Its function as an accessibility tool is, of course, its reason for being." It's impossible to discuss a screen reader and its functions meaningfully without direct reference to what you're actually trying to access with it, as that's the only way that screen reader commands come into use. It's just so much easier to apply to real world examples of things being accessed. But we have also discussed, and I believe agreed, that it's also important that one develop the habit of knowing in one's own mind what's a Windows command, versus an NVDA command (or other screen reader command), and an application program command. That definitely makes things easier if and when you start working with another screen reader, as neither Windows or application program commands change regardless of the screen reader in use. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out. ~ Anton Chekhov
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Re: Changing from JAWS 2018 to NVDA, some general questions
Steve Nutt
You mean the OSARA plugin.
http://www.reaperaccessibility.com will get you started.
All the best
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: 12 February 2021 21:47 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing from JAWS 2018 to NVDA, some general questions
And also with Reaper, to make it work with NVDA you need the Ostara plugin.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Hello. Reaper does work with NVDA as does Sound Forge. Sampletude however will not work with NVDA. With Sampletude, you still need to use JAWS.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christian Ohrens
Hi folks, I’m thinking about to replace my older JAWS to the newest NVDA build on my new computer which I’ll get next week. For JAWS I am using several Script packages for some programs and now I want to know if there exists such addons or scripts for NVDA ttoo for the following programs: Samplitude X5, Sound Forge Pro 14, Reaper.
And I’ve also some general questions concerrnning the handling of NVDA: Are there some functions similar to the touch cursor or JAWS cursor in JAWS?
Thank you for your assistance. Regards Christian
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Re: A Note on Settings in General
Louise Pfau
Hi Brian. I just created such a list. There've been some tweaks that I've done over a long period of time, so I don't remember what the defaults were. This is particularly true with NVDA. I know which categories I didn't tweak, but I've recorded all of the current settings for the ones I did. I hope this is helpful to someone else who's creating a list.
Thanks, Louise
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Re: NVDA goes mad
Kevin Cussick
No agreed, Narrator is not the crappy screen reader it used to be it really is not but i just need to be a bit more disciplined and put some time off to play with it.
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On 15/02/2021 22:05, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 04:49 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
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Re: NVDA goes mad
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 04:49 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
just keep using Nvda. but at some point I really really should play with Narrator.- And I want to emphasize I am in no way proposing that anyone stop using NVDA. That being said, I don't care what any individual's screen reader of choice happens to be, there's a need to be minimally comptetent with another since there will be occasions where the favorite just doesn't behave well with something. Unless one's favored/favorite screen reader were to be Narrator, it makes sense for it to be a preferred second choice since it is a part of Windows 10. You know it's always there to call upon. And if Narrator is one's favored screen reader, it makes abundant sense for NVDA to be one's chosen second choice. No one's going to invest in a JAWS license for "every once in a great while/in a pinch" use. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.
~ Anton Chekhov
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Re: NVDA goes mad
Kevin Cussick
Hi, yes agreed I have said I would do the same and just keep using Nvda. but at some point I really really should play with Narrator.
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On 15/02/2021 17:29, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:19 PM, Arlene wrote:
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windows 10 Pro - Check for updates - NVDA goes silent in dialog with mouse over
Russell James
Greetings, Using Windows 10 Pro on a desktop Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042 With NVDA version 2020.3 Sometimes when I check for updates, after the dialog is presented, NVDA will announce the last check for updates and then go silent If I mouse over content in the dialog it remains silent If I mouse over content outside the dialog it will be spoken. If I restart NVDA it starts speaking content in the dialog with mouse over Using a physical mouse connected via USB While checking the NVDA version I noticed in the menu an entry that indicated install pending update However, when I activate that entry the menu goes away and nothing seems to happen When I go to help and check for updates it indicates there are none available Thank you Russ
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Re: NVDA 2020.4 rc1
tim
You do end up in something of a gray area that when a insert+t you get explorer. When actually you lost focus and NVDA don't know how to handle it.
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Now JFW does tell you when your not in focus and its clueless.
On 2/14/2021 7:55 PM, Don H wrote:
Running NVDA 2020.4 RC1 on a Win 10 20h2 system. When returning to the desktop after closing something like Thunderbird or MS edge it seems you are not back to the desktop. Prir to this RC1 when closing edge or thunderbird NVDA would announce desktop and the icon you were on. Now it says nothing and you have to bab or use other means to get to the desktop.
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Re: NVDA goes mad
Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
I did that first of all and it made no difference. The only way was to reinstall nvda.
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Hettie
On 2/15/2021 4:18 PM, brice Mijares wrote:
I would have hit control alt N to restart NVDA if this would have happened to me.
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Re: NVDA goes mad
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:19 PM, Arlene wrote:
Narator is good for getting yu out of a jam.- And I'd say more than that. I really need to start trying to get a lot more up to speed on Narrator (which is about the hundredth time I've said this). I anticipate it will be making significant inroads over the next 5 years simply because it's a Windows built-in. Businesses and other large entities love things that they don't need to buy, and that come from "the Microsoft Mothership." -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: NVDA goes mad
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Arlene wrote:
No wonder some people leave Windows and go to I Pad or tablet.- And find out, in short order, that other OSes and the software that runs on them have their issues, too. I honestly can't count the number of service calls I've gotten from "ship jumpers" who did so without a moment's thought, or research, who can't manage what they've elected to jump to at all. Once you're comfortable with an ecosystem, any one of 'em, think very long and hard before believing that going to another is a solution to all the things you dislike. The learning curve is shallow, and tedious, and most often very frustrating. Almost none of us understands how much of what we do "without thinking" under what we're used to using requires having to think things through all over again elsewhere. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: NVDA goes mad
Arlene
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From: Hettie
Sent: February 15, 2021 2:56 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad
thanks, I never think of using nirator, will keep it in mind for the future.
Hettie
On 2/15/2021 8:40 AM, Felix G. wrote: > Hello, > in such cases, a valuable strategy would be to use Narrator to get > through the rough spots, at least if this happens on Windows 10. > Best, > Felix > > Am So., 14. Feb. 2021 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>: >> Hi all >> >> >> NVDA suddenly started talking non-stop. At times it was talking so fast >> that it kept making funny noises like an old-time vinel record when it >> got stuck. >> >> It was so frustrating to restart the computer with no normal NVDA. >> Restarting NVDA did not work either. The last option was to re-install >> it again as not even the fixing tool was able to restore nvda. That was >> easier said than done as it was almost impossible to find the folder it >> is saved in while the babbeling went onand then to find the installation >> file by pressing N. >> >> It now works properly again. Never experianced this problem before. >> >> >> Hettie >> >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
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Re: NVDA goes mad
Arlene
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From: Hettie
Sent: February 15, 2021 3:02 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes mad
Was funny for a while especially when it got the hicups and couldn't stop but then the frustration took over. Smiles.
Hettie
On 2/15/2021 9:30 AM, Arlene wrote:
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Re: NVDA goes mad
That final line should have had, "there will never be an ideal default for everyone," not, "anyone," as its end.
Any given default might be perfectly peachy for some random anyone. But it certainly won't be for everyone. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself. ~ Brian Vogel
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