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Most Responsive and Accessible Version of Microsoft Word

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I currently use NVDA 2020.4, Microsoft Office 365, and Windows 10 on a
fairly high-spec machine. Within the Office suite, the bulk of my
usage (and of my dissatisfaction) is with Microsoft Word. I find NVDA
to be quite slow when navigating through any document in Word 365,
particularly in terms of paragraph navigation in case of large
paragraphs. The spelling and grammar check dialog is not as convenient
as it used to be in the past. I should note that I have tried enabling
Word UIA and it does substantially help with NVDA's responsiveness in
Word 365, but introduces its own set of bugs. I can't recall exact
versions, but in the past, I believeI have used versions such as 2007,
2010, and 2013, and I feel like all of them were much more conducive
to a snappy NVDA performance. I understand that work on improving NVDA
and Microsoft Office 365's interplay is on going, but from my
perspective, I think it might not be at a point just yet such that it
maximizes my productivity.

Having said all of that, I was wondering if you had thoughts on which
of most recent versions of Word are most responsive. To be clear, what
I mainly mean by responsiveness is just that when I navigate in a
document, NVDA's latency is low and its speech feedback is almost
immediate. For other software, I would just get trials of several past
versions of the software, run them as something equivalent to a
portable copy, and practically try and test each of them; I don't
think that can be done for Microsoft Office though.

I would greatly appreciate all inputs and suggestions in this regard.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: Learning python

 

Hi Don

Beside a lot of resources given from privious e-mail, if your target is not to be a program engineer, read Automated the boring stuff with Python from https://automatetheboringstuff.com/ This tutorial is short, easy to learn, and it could help you making something more simple. You don't need to learn a lot of knowledge that just need for a programmer.

Cuong

On 2/28/2021 6:24 AM, Don H wrote:
Googling online Python training brings ups several results.  Anyone have any recommendations for learning to program in Phython?  I would also assume that you need a Python compileer.





Re: Learning python

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Don


I am not a programmer but a while ago a list was made up for people wanting to learn python etc and the below list come together.


I kow there are some programmers who use different programs to program in and are accessible if they let me know I can add them to the list above the books and courses.


At a latter day I can put into a web page as ell.


Learning Python books and courses

 

 

 

 

 

Learn python the hard way https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

 

A python hands on tutorial http://anh.cs.luc.edu/python/hands-on/3.1/handsonHtml/index.html

 

Python for Everybody: Exploring Data Using Python 3 https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/textbooks/336

 

 

And some online courses,

 

These are free, but if you want a certificate of completion, you can pay for it if you pass the course.

 

 

Introduction to Python for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-for-data-science

 

Python for data science https://www.edx.org/course/python-for-data-science-1

 

Introduction to Python: Absolute Beginner https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-absolute-beginner-2

 

Introduction to Python: Fundamentals https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-fundamentals-2

 

Principles of Machine Learning: Python Edition https://www.edx.org/course/principles-of-machine-learning-python-edition

 

Computing in Python I: Fundamentals and Procedural Programming https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-i-fundamentals-and-procedural-programming-2

 

Computing in Python II: Control Structures https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-ii-control-structures-2

 

Computing in Python III: Data Structures https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-iii-data-structures-2

 

Computing in Python IV: Objects & Algorithms https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-iv-objects-algorithms-2

 

Visualizing Data with Python https://www.edx.org/course/data-visualization-with-python

 

Advanced Algorithmics and Graph Theory with Python https://www.edx.org/course/advanced-algorithmics-and-graph-theory-with-python

 

Analyzing Data with Python https://www.edx.org/course/data-analysis-with-python

 

Deep Learning with Python and PyTorch https://www.edx.org/course/deep-learning-with-python-and-pytorch

 

Python Basics for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/python-basics-for-data-science

 

Machine Learning with Python: A Practical Introduction https://www.edx.org/course/machine-learning-with-python-for-edx

 

Using Python for Research https://www.edx.org/course/using-python-for-research

 

Introduction to Python: Creating Scalable, Robust, Interactive Code https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-creating-scalable-robust-interactive-code

 

Programming with Python for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/programming-with-python-for-data-science

 

Introduction to Programming Using Python https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-programming-using-python

 

CS For All: Introduction to Computer Science and Python Programming https://www.edx.org/course/cs-all-introduction-computer-science-harveymuddx-cs005x-0

 

 

These are all pay courses, but if you are careful, you can buy bundles that have multiple courses in them.

 

 

Stone river elearning has 32 python courses at: https://stoneriverelearning.com/courses/category/Python

 

 

skillwise has several python courses, some of which are listed below.

 

Python Programming Bootcamp 2.0 https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-programming-bootcamp-2-2

 

Python 3 Bootcamp Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-bootcamp-2017-python-3

 

Machine Learning with Python Course and E-Book Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/the-python-machine-learning-online-course-and-book-bundle

 

Deep Learning: Convolutional Neural Networks in Python https://www.skillwise.com/sales/deep-learning-convolutional-neural-networks-in-python

 

The Python Power Coder BONUS Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/the-python-power-coder-bonus-bundle

 

Become a Professional Python Programmer https://www.skillwise.com/sales/become-a-professional-python-programmer

 

Python Tutorial: Python 100% Hands-On - Learn by Coding https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-tutorial-python-100-hands-on-learn-by-coding

 

Pay What You Want: The Python Master Class Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/pwyw-the-python-master-class-bundle

 

 

And, finally, educba.com also has python courses such as:

 

Become a Python Developer

 

Artificial Intelligence with python

python 3.5 Training

The Ultimate python Programming - Novice to Ninja

Practical Projects of python Programming

python:01 - python Fundamentals

Data Science with python

python for Beginners

Machine Learning using python

 

Now, I know the educba classes are expensive if bought separately, but if you hang out on stacksocial.com or even skillwise.com ( at times) you can purchase whole groups of training all at once.  I got a deal for all of stone river Elearning for $59, then for $99 I got the whole collection of educba classes.  (the next day, I saw it for $49) *grumble*), so if you're patient, and if you really want to learn, there's no reason why you can't learn anything you like.  This is just talking about python classes and books, but this works for just about any topic.

 

stackskills.com also has several python courses, and I got access to 1100 plus courses (all it/technology related for $19 again, from stacksocial.com

 

 

 

https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

 

 

Here's A Byte of Python.

 

 

https://python.swaroopch.com/

 

 

Here's Think Python.

 

 

http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

 

 

Here's one on programming games.

 

 

http://inventwithpython.com/

 

 

Finally, here's a link somebody posted a while back to stuff Joseph

wrote up.

 

 

 




On 28/02/2021 12:24 pm, Don H wrote:
Googling online Python training brings ups several results.  Anyone have any recommendations for learning to program in Phython?  I would also assume that you need a Python compileer.







Learning python

Don H
 

Googling online Python training brings ups several results. Anyone have any recommendations for learning to program in Phython? I would also assume that you need a Python compileer.


Re: Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

Russell James
 

Thanks for starting this conversation!

I didn't know audio was not supported with Hyper V!
If this really is not possible this is a huge problem.

Another thing that is a problem is connection to USB devices from Hyper V

I wonder how the Windows license works with Hyper V...

I've used Virtual Box for many things over the years
Those are not a problem for VBOX.
It has a CLI for the manager if the GUI does not address your needs.

Some day I'd like to use VMWare
However, VBOX is free!

I tried to take a course on Coursera that used some sort of VM in the cloud
I could tell it was a Windows VM and I got NVDA installed
I couldn't figure out how to make the audio work
I contacted support and never got a resolution...
Maybe that was based on Hyper V...

Russ


On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 4:42 PM molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:
I had the same problem in regards to the sound being disabled.
I also required sighted assistance in installing NVDA on the virtual machine.
I now have 2 clones I made from the main virtual machine, both of which have NVDA.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

I used VmWare when I took a networking class a few years ago and found it quite easy to use. I'd need a refresher on some of its commands now as it's been about five years since I've used it, but I found it quite usable with NVDA. I'll mention the problems I had with it even though they have nothing to do with VmWare itself:
1. This could be a problem with any virtual machine, there are so many files associated with it that I had a hard time figuring out which file to open in order to start the machine.
2. Once the machines were configured, I needed sighted assistance to install a screen reader. When I did get NVDA installed in Server 2008, the sound device was disabled, so we had to change that in order to get NVDA to work.

On 2/27/21, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:
> Hi.
> I am actually using VMware work station pro for my computer networking
> class right now.
> I am not familiar with HyperV but I was hoping to hear of another
> blind person's experiences with VMware work station as I don't know
> anyone else who uses it.
> Now that my professor fixed it so that the virtual machines appear in
> the list of tabs I find VMware  work station much easier to use.
> I can press alt t and see the virtual machines in the list of tabs.
> If I press enter on one I can then press control b to power it on.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Akash
> Kakkar
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 9:45 PM
> To: blindtech@groups.io; main@TechTalk.groups.io; nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Getting started with HyperV using NVDA
>
> Hi all,
>
> So, I want to use HyperV instead of VMWare Workstation Pro for my
> virtualisation needs.
>
> Can anyone please tell me his/her experience with HyperV while using NVDA?
>
> What shortcut keys are there?
>
> How to switch to guest OS?
>
> How to switch to host OS?
>
> Any NVDA addon to make any part of HyperV more accessible.
>
> Please help me
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>












Re: Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

molly the blind tech lover
 

I had the same problem in regards to the sound being disabled.
I also required sighted assistance in installing NVDA on the virtual machine.
I now have 2 clones I made from the main virtual machine, both of which have NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

I used VmWare when I took a networking class a few years ago and found it quite easy to use. I'd need a refresher on some of its commands now as it's been about five years since I've used it, but I found it quite usable with NVDA. I'll mention the problems I had with it even though they have nothing to do with VmWare itself:
1. This could be a problem with any virtual machine, there are so many files associated with it that I had a hard time figuring out which file to open in order to start the machine.
2. Once the machines were configured, I needed sighted assistance to install a screen reader. When I did get NVDA installed in Server 2008, the sound device was disabled, so we had to change that in order to get NVDA to work.

On 2/27/21, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.
I am actually using VMware work station pro for my computer networking
class right now.
I am not familiar with HyperV but I was hoping to hear of another
blind person's experiences with VMware work station as I don't know
anyone else who uses it.
Now that my professor fixed it so that the virtual machines appear in
the list of tabs I find VMware work station much easier to use.
I can press alt t and see the virtual machines in the list of tabs.
If I press enter on one I can then press control b to power it on.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Akash
Kakkar
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 9:45 PM
To: blindtech@groups.io; main@TechTalk.groups.io; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

Hi all,

So, I want to use HyperV instead of VMWare Workstation Pro for my
virtualisation needs.

Can anyone please tell me his/her experience with HyperV while using NVDA?

What shortcut keys are there?

How to switch to guest OS?

How to switch to host OS?

Any NVDA addon to make any part of HyperV more accessible.

Please help me














Re: Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

 

Well, the issue I had was with edit fields, but also enhanced keyboard.

I installed it so I could use it on linux but when updating again, well it just didn't work, and plus I forgot to update enhanced keyboard which screwed up windows.

I went to do support but vmware will notaccept anything that doesn't have a contract so well vmware is hmmmph, not sure.


I don't have a dedicated system to do this but I may try again with virtual box  portable, hopefully I won't have to have my system slowed down with drivers and other junk I will never need.



On 28/02/2021 8:45 am, abdul muhamin wrote:

Hello, VMWare is more accessible now a days, I recommend you should try the latest version

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Akash Kakkar
Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2021 7:45 am
To: blindtech@groups.io; main@techtalk.groups.io; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

 

Hi all,

 

So, I want to use HyperV instead of VMWare Workstation Pro for my

virtualisation needs.

 

Can anyone please tell me his/her experience with HyperV while using NVDA?

 

What shortcut keys are there?

 

How to switch to guest OS?

 

How to switch to host OS?

 

Any NVDA addon to make any part of HyperV more accessible.

 

Please help me

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

abdul muhamin
 

Hello, VMWare is more accessible now a days, I recommend you should try the latest version

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Akash Kakkar
Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2021 7:45 am
To: blindtech@groups.io; main@techtalk.groups.io; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

 

Hi all,

 

So, I want to use HyperV instead of VMWare Workstation Pro for my

virtualisation needs.

 

Can anyone please tell me his/her experience with HyperV while using NVDA?

 

What shortcut keys are there?

 

How to switch to guest OS?

 

How to switch to host OS?

 

Any NVDA addon to make any part of HyperV more accessible.

 

Please help me

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I used VmWare when I took a networking class a few years ago and found
it quite easy to use. I'd need a refresher on some of its commands now
as it's been about five years since I've used it, but I found it quite
usable with NVDA. I'll mention the problems I had with it even though
they have nothing to do with VmWare itself:
1. This could be a problem with any virtual machine, there are so many
files associated with it that I had a hard time figuring out which
file to open in order to start the machine.
2. Once the machines were configured, I needed sighted assistance to
install a screen reader. When I did get NVDA installed in Server 2008,
the sound device was disabled, so we had to change that in order to
get NVDA to work.

On 2/27/21, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.
I am actually using VMware work station pro for my computer networking class
right now.
I am not familiar with HyperV but I was hoping to hear of another blind
person's experiences with VMware work station as I don't know anyone else
who uses it.
Now that my professor fixed it so that the virtual machines appear in the
list of tabs I find VMware work station much easier to use.
I can press alt t and see the virtual machines in the list of tabs.
If I press enter on one I can then press control b to power it on.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Akash Kakkar
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 9:45 PM
To: blindtech@groups.io; main@TechTalk.groups.io; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

Hi all,

So, I want to use HyperV instead of VMWare Workstation Pro for my
virtualisation needs.

Can anyone please tell me his/her experience with HyperV while using NVDA?

What shortcut keys are there?

How to switch to guest OS?

How to switch to host OS?

Any NVDA addon to make any part of HyperV more accessible.

Please help me














Re: NVDA 2020.4 and Google Docs and editing in Box

George Kerscher
 

Dear All,

 

I went into the NVDA settings under my Chrome profile. I made a change or two under browse mode, and now all is well.

 

Thank you.

 

Best

George

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Kerscher
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 9:29 AM
To: NVDA General Discussion <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 and Google Docs and editing in Box

 

Hello,

 

With the latest version, I am now not able to use Google Docs, and when entering information in a Box note in a table cell, I could not paste.

 

Any thoughts before I revert to 2020.3?

 

Best

George


Re: NVDA 2020.4 and Google Docs and editing in Box

Jason White
 

I've never had much success using Google Docs with any screen reader - there have always been issues.

I usually download the file in Microsoft Word format and read it locally. You can edit it locally and then upload the revised version.

On 27/2/21 11:28 am, George Kerscher wrote:

Hello,

 

With the latest version, I am now not able to use Google Docs, and when entering information in a Box note in a table cell, I could not paste.

 

Any thoughts before I revert to 2020.3?

 

Best

George


Re: Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

Akash Kakkar
 

Hi Lukas,

Thanks a lot for your help.
Ok, if this is the case then I'll stay with VMWare only. actually was just thinking to try however don't require any specific feature of HyperV
Thanks a lot for your detailed explaination bro, it helped a lot.

On 2/27/2021 9:32 PM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io wrote:
In short, don't bother unless you need a specific feature of HyperV.
Interface is pretty accessible but you won't have sound from a guest OS
until an equivalent of VMware Tools is installed inside a VM.
It should be possible I guess to install Windows using an unattended
installation and automate installation of these tools into your guest
system but there is no real advantage in switching.
If you're looking for a replacement of VMware you can try VirtualBox -
it is not as accessible but offers very similar set of features.


NVDA 2020.4 and Google Docs and editing in Box

George Kerscher
 

Hello,

 

With the latest version, I am now not able to use Google Docs, and when entering information in a Box note in a table cell, I could not paste.

 

Any thoughts before I revert to 2020.3?

 

Best

George


Re: Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

Lukasz Golonka
 

In short, don't bother unless you need a specific feature of HyperV.
Interface is pretty accessible but you won't have sound from a guest OS
until an equivalent of VMware Tools is installed inside a VM.
It should be possible I guess to install Windows using an unattended
installation and automate installation of these tools into your guest
system but there is no real advantage in switching.
If you're looking for a replacement of VMware you can try VirtualBox -
it is not as accessible but offers very similar set of features.

--
HTH
Lukasz

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:14:52 +0530
"Akash Kakkar" <akash.diverse@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

So, I want to use HyperV instead of VMWare Workstation Pro for my virtualisation needs.

Can anyone please tell me his/her experience with HyperV while using NVDA?

What shortcut keys are there?

How to switch to guest OS?

How to switch to host OS?

Any NVDA addon to make any part of HyperV more accessible.

Please help me






Re: Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.
I am actually using VMware work station pro for my computer networking class right now.
I am not familiar with HyperV but I was hoping to hear of another blind person's experiences with VMware work station as I don't know anyone else who uses it.
Now that my professor fixed it so that the virtual machines appear in the list of tabs I find VMware work station much easier to use.
I can press alt t and see the virtual machines in the list of tabs.
If I press enter on one I can then press control b to power it on.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Akash Kakkar
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 9:45 PM
To: blindtech@groups.io; main@TechTalk.groups.io; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

Hi all,

So, I want to use HyperV instead of VMWare Workstation Pro for my virtualisation needs.

Can anyone please tell me his/her experience with HyperV while using NVDA?

What shortcut keys are there?

How to switch to guest OS?

How to switch to host OS?

Any NVDA addon to make any part of HyperV more accessible.

Please help me


Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

Akash Kakkar
 

Hi all,

So, I want to use HyperV instead of VMWare Workstation Pro for my virtualisation needs.

Can anyone please tell me his/her experience with HyperV while using NVDA?

What shortcut keys are there?

How to switch to guest OS?

How to switch to host OS?

Any NVDA addon to make any part of HyperV more accessible.

Please help me


Re: NVDA 2020.4 goes silent after copying text from one Excel cell to another

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  What is live view?  I don't believe I've heard of it.

Louise


Re: Question about add-on help

 

Hi,

I cannot reproduce this – add-on help button shows up for add-ons with documentation every time I open add-ons manager. I bet this is something that cannot be fixed with COM registration tool, so I advise restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled and see if that makes a difference.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 10:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about add-on help

 

Hi.  It looks like I spoke too soon.  When I opened the add-ons manager after exiting it, the help button disappeared.  It looks like it's gone for all add-ons, not just some of them as I originally thought.  Restarting NVDA didn't seem to remedy the problem.  It seems as if the help button only shows up the first time I open add-ons manager after restarting the computer.  I'm not confident enough to try a windows repair or the com registration tool, because I don't know if it will mess something up.  I know it shouldn't in theory, but you never know with technology.

Louise


Re: Question about add-on help

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  It looks like I spoke too soon.  When I opened the add-ons manager after exiting it, the help button disappeared.  It looks like it's gone for all add-ons, not just some of them as I originally thought.  Restarting NVDA didn't seem to remedy the problem.  It seems as if the help button only shows up the first time I open add-ons manager after restarting the computer.  I'm not confident enough to try a windows repair or the com registration tool, because I don't know if it will mess something up.  I know it shouldn't in theory, but you never know with technology.

Louise


Re: Question about add-on help

 

Hi,

To be clear, is “Add-on help” button showing when you select Add-on Updater? I know that it does on my system – I do know that it doesn’t for languages other than English, and this is due to the fact that translated documentation aren’t transferred to the add-on correctly (something beyond the add-on’s control).

In general, most add-ons should let NVDA open their help files. Some don’t, and these are typically old add-ons unless add-on documentation are not built when packaging add-ons. In fact, one of the things the add-ons community looks at when reviewing add-ons is presence of add-on help files (documentation checks), and effort is ongoing to improve the quality of add-on documentation (there is a bigger project that concerns NVDA source code documentation, but that’s for another time).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about add-on help

 

Hi.  I'm running NVDA 2020.4.    I don't know what happened, but when I tabbed through all of the controls of the add-ons manager dialog last night, the help button didn't show up for some add-ons.  I shut down my computer every night.  When I restarted the computer this morning, the dialog behaved correctly.  I feel extremely silly.

Louise

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