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Re: learning python

 

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 05:46 PM, Don H wrote:
I can choose to edit one of the programs using Idle 3.9.
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As an aside, you could use Notepad++ as your editor instead.  It does support Python language checking (among many others).
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: learning python

Ann Byrne
 


Re: learning python

Don H
 

Are there any tutorials or courses to learn Python as a blind person?

On 2/28/2021 4:57 PM, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
Nothing; Idle is not accessible with NVDA.


Re: learning python

Sascha Cowley
 

Nothing; Idle is not accessible with NVDA.


learning python

Don H
 

I have downloaded and installed python 3 on my system. I downloaded some sample programs. I can choose to edit one of the programs using Idle 3.9. Doing this opens what I assume is Idle but NVDA will read nothing in this screen. What am I missing.


Re: Converting JAWS Dictionaries

 

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 05:27 PM, Greg Epley wrote:
According to the archives, a member was working on an external utility to do the conversion. They were wanting other members to send their JDF file so issues with the tool could be worked out. However, he said use "Reply to Sender", which I couldn't find when looking at the archive page, even after I joined the group in hopes that would help.
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That member would be me.  I still have the gawk script I wrote to do this, and if you want to send me your JDF file I'll gladly run it through so that you can be the next test case.  I did not get enough response to feel comfortable "widely releasing" a utility that's still in late alpha stage, at best.

As to "Reply to Sender," that's something that will be at the end of email messages for those reading via email.  If you're using the archive on the web, and you are logged in, there is a Private button beneath the compose window that would switch your reply only to the person who sent the message you're replying to, and the usual Reply to Group button changes to Reply to Sender if the Private button has been activated.

You're the first person I know of who's attempted to use the web interface "straight out of the shoot" and the only one I believe I know of who wanted to send a reply privately using that interface.  Great for you, but my prior message was aiming squarely at those reading via email, which is the vast majority of the membership.  You should see a Reply to Sender link at the end of this message in your inbox.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Converting JAWS Dictionaries

Greg Epley <greg.epley64@...>
 

In the archives, I had stumbled upon a member seeking some way to convert their JAWS dictionary into NVDA format so an existing large JAWS dictionary didn't need to be manually created entry by entry for NVDA use.
 
This is one area that's keeping me away from NVDA, and I was just wondering if anyone could offer status on the project? According to the archives, a member was working on an external utility to do the conversion. They were wanting other members to send their JDF file so issues with the tool could be worked out. However, he said use "Reply to Sender", which I couldn't find when looking at the archive page, even after I joined the group in hopes that would help. I clicked on a combo box that seemed it might offer some options, then ended up somewhere entirely unexpected and closed out the browser.
 
My other issue with moving to NVDA is beyond the scope of this post, so I will not get into that. It's possibly just something I need to further research, but I lack the free time to do that right now.
 
Thanks in advance for input on status of this tool, or if someone has created an add-in that will do the same conversion.

-Greg Epley
 


Can’t find commands to work windows via a Humanware Brilliant Braille Display?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Where within the NVDA documentation could I find commands to work Windows via a HumanWare Brilliant Brailld display? Trial and erroR, VIA nvda+S KEYBOARD LEARN FEATURE (nvda+#1), has given me basic commands (1 and4-chord is up and down arrows, 3 and 6-chords is left and right arrows)... I’m looking for the equivalent to Windows+m for Desktop, Alt+f4 etc.
thanks for info.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


Re: right clicking

Don H
 

By a happy accident I just figured it out. I opened the start menu, in the search box I typed powershell, first item found was powershell. I then hit the right arrow and got the options to run as admin.

On 2/28/2021 2:12 PM, John Altmeyer wrote:
Don, I use Windows 10.  Here is how I do what you want.
Hold down the Windows key and press R - this brings up the run dialog. Type powershell
Next, hold down both the shift and control key and press the enter key.
This will run Powershell as administrator.
John
Be the person your dog thinks you are! – J.W. Stephens
On 02/28/2021 2:35 PM, Don H wrote:
I want to run powershell admin.  To do so I open the start menu and search for powershell.  Now I am supposed to right click the result and select run as admin.  How do you right click on someing in the start menu?






Re: right clicking

John Altmeyer
 

Don, I use Windows 10.  Here is how I do what you want.

Hold down the Windows key and press R - this brings up the run dialog.  Type powershell

Next, hold down both the shift and control key and press the enter key.

This will run Powershell as administrator.

John

Be the person your dog thinks you are! – J.W. Stephens

On 02/28/2021 2:35 PM, Don H wrote:
I want to run powershell admin.  To do so I open the start menu and search for powershell.  Now I am supposed to right click the result and select run as admin.  How do you right click on someing in the start menu?





right clicking

Don H
 

I want to run powershell admin. To do so I open the start menu and search for powershell. Now I am supposed to right click the result and select run as admin. How do you right click on someing in the start menu?


Problem with NVDA, email, and Esys 80 cell Braille display

John Wells
 

Can someone offer help please. I am new to NVDA and have a small problem. When I go to my emails, NVDA will read the list in braille and also announce the list with speech. However, when I open an email, the speech is perfect but the braille merely shows the word “payne”. Which settings need to be amended please. I am running Windows 10 and my braille reader is an Esys 80 cell display. I am using windows live mail for my emails and this problem does not occur when I use Jaws.
 
I thank you in anticipation of your assistance. John Wells.
 
 


Re: Most Responsive and Accessible Version of Microsoft Word

Chris Smart
 

Strangely, I see even faster performance with a particular version of IBM Eloquence than with eSpeak. Both are very snappy indeed though, and we're talking only a few milliseconds difference here.


Re: Most Responsive and Accessible Version of Microsoft Word

David Goldfield
 

Bhavya, while I have experienced the delays you are referring to I found that the performance seemed to be linked more to the computer being used rather than a particular build of Microsoft Word, with performance being much better on faster machines. I'd be interested in the exact specs for your machine. Also, you didn't say which speech engine you are using. On a reasonably modern machine I find that Espeak gives me the best in overall performance and responsiveness although the Vocalizer voices from Code Factory are also quite good. Have you tried running the Com registration fixing tool from the NVDA Tools menu? In an instance where using an older Dell OptiPlex running this tool made a noticeable difference in Word's performance. On that same OptiPlex I also remember that performance was unacceptable at one point but running this tool along with later NVDA updates seemed to improve things.



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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:43 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Most Responsive and Accessible Version of Microsoft Word

Dear all,

I currently use NVDA 2020.4, Microsoft Office 365, and Windows 10 on a fairly high-spec machine. Within the Office suite, the bulk of my usage (and of my dissatisfaction) is with Microsoft Word. I find NVDA to be quite slow when navigating through any document in Word 365, particularly in terms of paragraph navigation in case of large paragraphs. The spelling and grammar check dialog is not as convenient as it used to be in the past. I should note that I have tried enabling Word UIA and it does substantially help with NVDA's responsiveness in Word 365, but introduces its own set of bugs. I can't recall exact versions, but in the past, I believeI have used versions such as 2007, 2010, and 2013, and I feel like all of them were much more conducive to a snappy NVDA performance. I understand that work on improving NVDA and Microsoft Office 365's interplay is on going, but from my perspective, I think it might not be at a point just yet such that it maximizes my productivity.

Having said all of that, I was wondering if you had thoughts on which of most recent versions of Word are most responsive. To be clear, what I mainly mean by responsiveness is just that when I navigate in a document, NVDA's latency is low and its speech feedback is almost immediate. For other software, I would just get trials of several past versions of the software, run them as something equivalent to a portable copy, and practically try and test each of them; I don't think that can be done for Microsoft Office though.

I would greatly appreciate all inputs and suggestions in this regard.

Thanks.

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Best Regards
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fbhavyashah125%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C7bbf5613a2e1434cc9e008d8dbff8fd0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501237954777808%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=J1w68%2F8ZsSY55Vzv%2FELIGx330K0eDiIF6fIYmSUkisU%3D&amp;reserved=0


Most Responsive and Accessible Version of Microsoft Word

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I currently use NVDA 2020.4, Microsoft Office 365, and Windows 10 on a
fairly high-spec machine. Within the Office suite, the bulk of my
usage (and of my dissatisfaction) is with Microsoft Word. I find NVDA
to be quite slow when navigating through any document in Word 365,
particularly in terms of paragraph navigation in case of large
paragraphs. The spelling and grammar check dialog is not as convenient
as it used to be in the past. I should note that I have tried enabling
Word UIA and it does substantially help with NVDA's responsiveness in
Word 365, but introduces its own set of bugs. I can't recall exact
versions, but in the past, I believeI have used versions such as 2007,
2010, and 2013, and I feel like all of them were much more conducive
to a snappy NVDA performance. I understand that work on improving NVDA
and Microsoft Office 365's interplay is on going, but from my
perspective, I think it might not be at a point just yet such that it
maximizes my productivity.

Having said all of that, I was wondering if you had thoughts on which
of most recent versions of Word are most responsive. To be clear, what
I mainly mean by responsiveness is just that when I navigate in a
document, NVDA's latency is low and its speech feedback is almost
immediate. For other software, I would just get trials of several past
versions of the software, run them as something equivalent to a
portable copy, and practically try and test each of them; I don't
think that can be done for Microsoft Office though.

I would greatly appreciate all inputs and suggestions in this regard.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: Learning python

 

Hi Don

Beside a lot of resources given from privious e-mail, if your target is not to be a program engineer, read Automated the boring stuff with Python from https://automatetheboringstuff.com/ This tutorial is short, easy to learn, and it could help you making something more simple. You don't need to learn a lot of knowledge that just need for a programmer.

Cuong

On 2/28/2021 6:24 AM, Don H wrote:
Googling online Python training brings ups several results.  Anyone have any recommendations for learning to program in Phython?  I would also assume that you need a Python compileer.





Re: Learning python

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Don


I am not a programmer but a while ago a list was made up for people wanting to learn python etc and the below list come together.


I kow there are some programmers who use different programs to program in and are accessible if they let me know I can add them to the list above the books and courses.


At a latter day I can put into a web page as ell.


Learning Python books and courses

 

 

 

 

 

Learn python the hard way https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

 

A python hands on tutorial http://anh.cs.luc.edu/python/hands-on/3.1/handsonHtml/index.html

 

Python for Everybody: Exploring Data Using Python 3 https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/textbooks/336

 

 

And some online courses,

 

These are free, but if you want a certificate of completion, you can pay for it if you pass the course.

 

 

Introduction to Python for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-for-data-science

 

Python for data science https://www.edx.org/course/python-for-data-science-1

 

Introduction to Python: Absolute Beginner https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-absolute-beginner-2

 

Introduction to Python: Fundamentals https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-fundamentals-2

 

Principles of Machine Learning: Python Edition https://www.edx.org/course/principles-of-machine-learning-python-edition

 

Computing in Python I: Fundamentals and Procedural Programming https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-i-fundamentals-and-procedural-programming-2

 

Computing in Python II: Control Structures https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-ii-control-structures-2

 

Computing in Python III: Data Structures https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-iii-data-structures-2

 

Computing in Python IV: Objects & Algorithms https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-iv-objects-algorithms-2

 

Visualizing Data with Python https://www.edx.org/course/data-visualization-with-python

 

Advanced Algorithmics and Graph Theory with Python https://www.edx.org/course/advanced-algorithmics-and-graph-theory-with-python

 

Analyzing Data with Python https://www.edx.org/course/data-analysis-with-python

 

Deep Learning with Python and PyTorch https://www.edx.org/course/deep-learning-with-python-and-pytorch

 

Python Basics for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/python-basics-for-data-science

 

Machine Learning with Python: A Practical Introduction https://www.edx.org/course/machine-learning-with-python-for-edx

 

Using Python for Research https://www.edx.org/course/using-python-for-research

 

Introduction to Python: Creating Scalable, Robust, Interactive Code https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-creating-scalable-robust-interactive-code

 

Programming with Python for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/programming-with-python-for-data-science

 

Introduction to Programming Using Python https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-programming-using-python

 

CS For All: Introduction to Computer Science and Python Programming https://www.edx.org/course/cs-all-introduction-computer-science-harveymuddx-cs005x-0

 

 

These are all pay courses, but if you are careful, you can buy bundles that have multiple courses in them.

 

 

Stone river elearning has 32 python courses at: https://stoneriverelearning.com/courses/category/Python

 

 

skillwise has several python courses, some of which are listed below.

 

Python Programming Bootcamp 2.0 https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-programming-bootcamp-2-2

 

Python 3 Bootcamp Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-bootcamp-2017-python-3

 

Machine Learning with Python Course and E-Book Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/the-python-machine-learning-online-course-and-book-bundle

 

Deep Learning: Convolutional Neural Networks in Python https://www.skillwise.com/sales/deep-learning-convolutional-neural-networks-in-python

 

The Python Power Coder BONUS Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/the-python-power-coder-bonus-bundle

 

Become a Professional Python Programmer https://www.skillwise.com/sales/become-a-professional-python-programmer

 

Python Tutorial: Python 100% Hands-On - Learn by Coding https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-tutorial-python-100-hands-on-learn-by-coding

 

Pay What You Want: The Python Master Class Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/pwyw-the-python-master-class-bundle

 

 

And, finally, educba.com also has python courses such as:

 

Become a Python Developer

 

Artificial Intelligence with python

python 3.5 Training

The Ultimate python Programming - Novice to Ninja

Practical Projects of python Programming

python:01 - python Fundamentals

Data Science with python

python for Beginners

Machine Learning using python

 

Now, I know the educba classes are expensive if bought separately, but if you hang out on stacksocial.com or even skillwise.com ( at times) you can purchase whole groups of training all at once.  I got a deal for all of stone river Elearning for $59, then for $99 I got the whole collection of educba classes.  (the next day, I saw it for $49) *grumble*), so if you're patient, and if you really want to learn, there's no reason why you can't learn anything you like.  This is just talking about python classes and books, but this works for just about any topic.

 

stackskills.com also has several python courses, and I got access to 1100 plus courses (all it/technology related for $19 again, from stacksocial.com

 

 

 

https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

 

 

Here's A Byte of Python.

 

 

https://python.swaroopch.com/

 

 

Here's Think Python.

 

 

http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

 

 

Here's one on programming games.

 

 

http://inventwithpython.com/

 

 

Finally, here's a link somebody posted a while back to stuff Joseph

wrote up.

 

 

 




On 28/02/2021 12:24 pm, Don H wrote:
Googling online Python training brings ups several results.  Anyone have any recommendations for learning to program in Phython?  I would also assume that you need a Python compileer.







Learning python

Don H
 

Googling online Python training brings ups several results. Anyone have any recommendations for learning to program in Phython? I would also assume that you need a Python compileer.


Re: Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

Russell James
 

Thanks for starting this conversation!

I didn't know audio was not supported with Hyper V!
If this really is not possible this is a huge problem.

Another thing that is a problem is connection to USB devices from Hyper V

I wonder how the Windows license works with Hyper V...

I've used Virtual Box for many things over the years
Those are not a problem for VBOX.
It has a CLI for the manager if the GUI does not address your needs.

Some day I'd like to use VMWare
However, VBOX is free!

I tried to take a course on Coursera that used some sort of VM in the cloud
I could tell it was a Windows VM and I got NVDA installed
I couldn't figure out how to make the audio work
I contacted support and never got a resolution...
Maybe that was based on Hyper V...

Russ


On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 4:42 PM molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:
I had the same problem in regards to the sound being disabled.
I also required sighted assistance in installing NVDA on the virtual machine.
I now have 2 clones I made from the main virtual machine, both of which have NVDA.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

I used VmWare when I took a networking class a few years ago and found it quite easy to use. I'd need a refresher on some of its commands now as it's been about five years since I've used it, but I found it quite usable with NVDA. I'll mention the problems I had with it even though they have nothing to do with VmWare itself:
1. This could be a problem with any virtual machine, there are so many files associated with it that I had a hard time figuring out which file to open in order to start the machine.
2. Once the machines were configured, I needed sighted assistance to install a screen reader. When I did get NVDA installed in Server 2008, the sound device was disabled, so we had to change that in order to get NVDA to work.

On 2/27/21, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:
> Hi.
> I am actually using VMware work station pro for my computer networking
> class right now.
> I am not familiar with HyperV but I was hoping to hear of another
> blind person's experiences with VMware work station as I don't know
> anyone else who uses it.
> Now that my professor fixed it so that the virtual machines appear in
> the list of tabs I find VMware  work station much easier to use.
> I can press alt t and see the virtual machines in the list of tabs.
> If I press enter on one I can then press control b to power it on.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Akash
> Kakkar
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 9:45 PM
> To: blindtech@groups.io; main@TechTalk.groups.io; nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Getting started with HyperV using NVDA
>
> Hi all,
>
> So, I want to use HyperV instead of VMWare Workstation Pro for my
> virtualisation needs.
>
> Can anyone please tell me his/her experience with HyperV while using NVDA?
>
> What shortcut keys are there?
>
> How to switch to guest OS?
>
> How to switch to host OS?
>
> Any NVDA addon to make any part of HyperV more accessible.
>
> Please help me
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>












Re: Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

molly the blind tech lover
 

I had the same problem in regards to the sound being disabled.
I also required sighted assistance in installing NVDA on the virtual machine.
I now have 2 clones I made from the main virtual machine, both of which have NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

I used VmWare when I took a networking class a few years ago and found it quite easy to use. I'd need a refresher on some of its commands now as it's been about five years since I've used it, but I found it quite usable with NVDA. I'll mention the problems I had with it even though they have nothing to do with VmWare itself:
1. This could be a problem with any virtual machine, there are so many files associated with it that I had a hard time figuring out which file to open in order to start the machine.
2. Once the machines were configured, I needed sighted assistance to install a screen reader. When I did get NVDA installed in Server 2008, the sound device was disabled, so we had to change that in order to get NVDA to work.

On 2/27/21, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.
I am actually using VMware work station pro for my computer networking
class right now.
I am not familiar with HyperV but I was hoping to hear of another
blind person's experiences with VMware work station as I don't know
anyone else who uses it.
Now that my professor fixed it so that the virtual machines appear in
the list of tabs I find VMware work station much easier to use.
I can press alt t and see the virtual machines in the list of tabs.
If I press enter on one I can then press control b to power it on.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Akash
Kakkar
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 9:45 PM
To: blindtech@groups.io; main@TechTalk.groups.io; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Getting started with HyperV using NVDA

Hi all,

So, I want to use HyperV instead of VMWare Workstation Pro for my
virtualisation needs.

Can anyone please tell me his/her experience with HyperV while using NVDA?

What shortcut keys are there?

How to switch to guest OS?

How to switch to host OS?

Any NVDA addon to make any part of HyperV more accessible.

Please help me













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