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Re: Accessible softphone programs with NVDA

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 


The company use Sip, yes.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Mobeen Iqbal <mobeeniqbal@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:48:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Yes, it should be. When using voice over IP, the security is usually down to the server you're connecting to. Softphones are clients for the most part and respect the server's security policies. Both clients I have recommended are sip clients. If your company does not use sip, this could be more of a problem.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 01/03/2021 19:32, Afik Souffir wrote:

I’ll try it
Is it secure? 
The IT will not accept it if its not secure. 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Mobeen Iqbal <mobeeniqbal@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:24:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Hi.

Regarding express talk, I don't think that has any toolbars, or it didn't when I last tried it. Regarding foner lite, you can run it as a portable app if installation's going to be a problem.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 01/03/2021 19:21, Afik Souffir wrote:

Thank you. I’ll try phone lite, i’ll ask the IT for aproval for this.

About NCH, is it still install some toolbars with all there programs? 
I don’t know if they’ll want free program.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Mobeen Iqbal <mobeeniqbal@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:14:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Hi.

You could try foner lite?

http://phonerlite.de/download_en.htm

I believe express talk from NCH software is accessible as well, though haven't tried it in years. Another free option.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 01/03/2021 19:11, Afik Souffir wrote:

Its not working with our current phone system unfortunately.
Do you have other ideas?
Thanks

Afik


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Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:07:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Try MicroSIP. It's not fully accesible, but usable.


Regards.

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O 01/03/2021 á(s) 20:04, Afik Souffir escribiu:

Hi,
I’m working at Strauss water.

The company wants to replace there Telephone system to a new one.
A part from that, i’m looking for accessible softphones programs with NVdA so i can work with them.
Its have to be one program that can accept calls, do outgoings calls and transfer them to other departements.

Any help will be muc appreciated 

Afik Souffir 


Re: Accessible softphone programs with NVDA

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Yes, it should be. When using voice over IP, the security is usually down to the server you're connecting to. Softphones are clients for the most part and respect the server's security policies. Both clients I have recommended are sip clients. If your company does not use sip, this could be more of a problem.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 01/03/2021 19:32, Afik Souffir wrote:

I’ll try it
Is it secure? 
The IT will not accept it if its not secure. 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Mobeen Iqbal <mobeeniqbal@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:24:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Hi.

Regarding express talk, I don't think that has any toolbars, or it didn't when I last tried it. Regarding foner lite, you can run it as a portable app if installation's going to be a problem.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 01/03/2021 19:21, Afik Souffir wrote:

Thank you. I’ll try phone lite, i’ll ask the IT for aproval for this.

About NCH, is it still install some toolbars with all there programs? 
I don’t know if they’ll want free program.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Mobeen Iqbal <mobeeniqbal@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:14:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Hi.

You could try foner lite?

http://phonerlite.de/download_en.htm

I believe express talk from NCH software is accessible as well, though haven't tried it in years. Another free option.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 01/03/2021 19:11, Afik Souffir wrote:

Its not working with our current phone system unfortunately.
Do you have other ideas?
Thanks

Afik


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Iván Novegil via groups.io <ivan.novegil@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:07:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Try MicroSIP. It's not fully accesible, but usable.


Regards.

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O 01/03/2021 á(s) 20:04, Afik Souffir escribiu:

Hi,
I’m working at Strauss water.

The company wants to replace there Telephone system to a new one.
A part from that, i’m looking for accessible softphones programs with NVdA so i can work with them.
Its have to be one program that can accept calls, do outgoings calls and transfer them to other departements.

Any help will be muc appreciated 

Afik Souffir 


Re: Accessible softphone programs with NVDA

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 


I’ll try it
Is it secure? 
The IT will not accept it if its not secure. 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Mobeen Iqbal <mobeeniqbal@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:24:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Hi.

Regarding express talk, I don't think that has any toolbars, or it didn't when I last tried it. Regarding foner lite, you can run it as a portable app if installation's going to be a problem.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 01/03/2021 19:21, Afik Souffir wrote:

Thank you. I’ll try phone lite, i’ll ask the IT for aproval for this.

About NCH, is it still install some toolbars with all there programs? 
I don’t know if they’ll want free program.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Mobeen Iqbal <mobeeniqbal@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:14:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Hi.

You could try foner lite?

http://phonerlite.de/download_en.htm

I believe express talk from NCH software is accessible as well, though haven't tried it in years. Another free option.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 01/03/2021 19:11, Afik Souffir wrote:

Its not working with our current phone system unfortunately.
Do you have other ideas?
Thanks

Afik


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Iván Novegil via groups.io <ivan.novegil@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:07:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Try MicroSIP. It's not fully accesible, but usable.


Regards.

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O 01/03/2021 á(s) 20:04, Afik Souffir escribiu:

Hi,
I’m working at Strauss water.

The company wants to replace there Telephone system to a new one.
A part from that, i’m looking for accessible softphones programs with NVdA so i can work with them.
Its have to be one program that can accept calls, do outgoings calls and transfer them to other departements.

Any help will be muc appreciated 

Afik Souffir 


Re: Accessible softphone programs with NVDA

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi.

Regarding express talk, I don't think that has any toolbars, or it didn't when I last tried it. Regarding foner lite, you can run it as a portable app if installation's going to be a problem.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 01/03/2021 19:21, Afik Souffir wrote:

Thank you. I’ll try phone lite, i’ll ask the IT for aproval for this.

About NCH, is it still install some toolbars with all there programs? 
I don’t know if they’ll want free program.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Mobeen Iqbal <mobeeniqbal@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:14:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Hi.

You could try foner lite?

http://phonerlite.de/download_en.htm

I believe express talk from NCH software is accessible as well, though haven't tried it in years. Another free option.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 01/03/2021 19:11, Afik Souffir wrote:

Its not working with our current phone system unfortunately.
Do you have other ideas?
Thanks

Afik


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Iván Novegil via groups.io <ivan.novegil@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:07:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Try MicroSIP. It's not fully accesible, but usable.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
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O 01/03/2021 á(s) 20:04, Afik Souffir escribiu:

Hi,
I’m working at Strauss water.

The company wants to replace there Telephone system to a new one.
A part from that, i’m looking for accessible softphones programs with NVdA so i can work with them.
Its have to be one program that can accept calls, do outgoings calls and transfer them to other departements.

Any help will be muc appreciated 

Afik Souffir 


Re: Accessible softphone programs with NVDA

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 


Thank you. I’ll try phone lite, i’ll ask the IT for aproval for this.

About NCH, is it still install some toolbars with all there programs? 
I don’t know if they’ll want free program.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Mobeen Iqbal <mobeeniqbal@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:14:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Hi.

You could try foner lite?

http://phonerlite.de/download_en.htm

I believe express talk from NCH software is accessible as well, though haven't tried it in years. Another free option.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 01/03/2021 19:11, Afik Souffir wrote:

Its not working with our current phone system unfortunately.
Do you have other ideas?
Thanks

Afik


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Iván Novegil via groups.io <ivan.novegil@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:07:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Try MicroSIP. It's not fully accesible, but usable.


Regards.

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O 01/03/2021 á(s) 20:04, Afik Souffir escribiu:

Hi,
I’m working at Strauss water.

The company wants to replace there Telephone system to a new one.
A part from that, i’m looking for accessible softphones programs with NVdA so i can work with them.
Its have to be one program that can accept calls, do outgoings calls and transfer them to other departements.

Any help will be muc appreciated 

Afik Souffir 


Re: Accessible softphone programs with NVDA

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi.

You could try foner lite?

http://phonerlite.de/download_en.htm

I believe express talk from NCH software is accessible as well, though haven't tried it in years. Another free option.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 01/03/2021 19:11, Afik Souffir wrote:

Its not working with our current phone system unfortunately.
Do you have other ideas?
Thanks

Afik


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Iván Novegil via groups.io <ivan.novegil@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:07:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Try MicroSIP. It's not fully accesible, but usable.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
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O 01/03/2021 á(s) 20:04, Afik Souffir escribiu:

Hi,
I’m working at Strauss water.

The company wants to replace there Telephone system to a new one.
A part from that, i’m looking for accessible softphones programs with NVdA so i can work with them.
Its have to be one program that can accept calls, do outgoings calls and transfer them to other departements.

Any help will be muc appreciated 

Afik Souffir 


Re: Accessible softphone programs with NVDA

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 


Its not working with our current phone system unfortunately.
Do you have other ideas?
Thanks

Afik


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Iván Novegil via groups.io <ivan.novegil@...>
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:07:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible softphone programs with NVDA
 

Try MicroSIP. It's not fully accesible, but usable.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
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O 01/03/2021 á(s) 20:04, Afik Souffir escribiu:

Hi,
I’m working at Strauss water.

The company wants to replace there Telephone system to a new one.
A part from that, i’m looking for accessible softphones programs with NVdA so i can work with them.
Its have to be one program that can accept calls, do outgoings calls and transfer them to other departements.

Any help will be muc appreciated 

Afik Souffir 


Re: Question about NVDA core functionality

 

Hi,

I think several factors can play a part in answering this question:

  1. Community discussion and need: I understand that there is huge demand from the NVDA community to have some add-ons (or parts of them) integrated into NVDA.
  2. Willingness from add-on authors to collaborate: will add-on authors show willingness to collaborate with users and NV Access to bring their add-ons to NVDA, or ask someone to look into it? Ideally add-on authors are best positioned to address demands.
  3. Getting add-on source code ready for NVDA integration: the add-ons community uses same coding guidelines as NVDA screen reader itself (one of them is using tabs instead of spaces to denote indentation levels). The issue has to do with preparing the add-on source code to keep up with ever changing nature of screen reading, namely changes to NVDA that sometimes can break compatibility. Folks who read source code for my add-ons (including Windows 10 app Essentials) may notice that I follow NVDA coding guidelines very closely to prepare for a day when add-ons are integrated into NVDA, and in some cases, I prepare to support post-integration process. Although details are discussed in NVDA add-ons and development lists, suffice to say that I keep up with NVDA changes almost in real-time (i.e. Git commits).
  4. Testing and feedback: it isn’t enough to get add-ons or parts of them into NVDA. People must show willingness to test and provide timely feedback. This is one reason why I encourage people to provide feedback on add-ons so bugs can be resolved quickly; at least “quickly” because add-ons are almost standalone piece of software; imagine add-ons being integrated into NVDA and you can see why testing becomes more important.

In short, anyone willing to ask for an add-on or parts of it to be integrated into NVDA must have a visionary mindset and ability to plan with precision. The first step to doing that is not asking which add-on you wish to see in NVDA itself, but asking yourself, “what will NVDA look like in at least five years from now”. The second step is learning to build patience – integrating an add-on into NVDA takes time because NV Access must balance user requests, standards, and market trends (Windows 10 Calculator support, for example, lived in Windows 10 App Essentials for more than five years before making its appearance as part of NVDA 2020.4). The third step is willingness to think like NVDA core developers- moving from writing add-ons to actually contributing code to NVDA screen reader is similar to stepping into a new culture and will require you to practice rigor.

So what can users do? Keep the conversation going and ask add-on authors if they are willing to collaborate with you on at least thinking about bringing their add-ons to NVDA provided that there is community request. If authors says “yes”, that’s great. If not, at least try justifying it, and if authors still says “no”, then that’s all folks can do for now (at least users tried their thing). Ideally you should ask the original author of a given add-on, but if you can’t contact them, at least ask the person who have maintained it until recently unless that person told the community they are not willing to maintain it (I’ll provide responses for my add-ons upon request).

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question about NVDA core functionality

 

Hi.  I know that add-on updater and some parts of Windows 10 app essentials will be added to NVDA core functionality in a future release.  Is it possible, or feasible to treat add-ons like clipspeak in the same way?  When I'm using NVDA on someone else's computer, I only use the core functionality because I'm using an installed copy rather than a portable one.

Thanks,

Louise.


Re: Accessible softphone programs with NVDA

Iván Novegil
 

Try MicroSIP. It's not fully accesible, but usable.


Regards.

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O 01/03/2021 á(s) 20:04, Afik Souffir escribiu:


Hi,
I’m working at Strauss water.

The company wants to replace there Telephone system to a new one.
A part from that, i’m looking for accessible softphones programs with NVdA so i can work with them.
Its have to be one program that can accept calls, do outgoings calls and transfer them to other departements.

Any help will be muc appreciated 

Afik Souffir 


Accessible softphone programs with NVDA

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 


Hi,
I’m working at Strauss water.

The company wants to replace there Telephone system to a new one.
A part from that, i’m looking for accessible softphones programs with NVdA so i can work with them.
Its have to be one program that can accept calls, do outgoings calls and transfer them to other departements.

Any help will be muc appreciated 

Afik Souffir 


Re: right clicking

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Oops, inadvertantly deleted the original topic in my email instead of
moving it to the inbox so had to use the web interface, and thought it
was quoting Brian's message asking why people don't use a real mouse
covering the port.

On 3/1/21, Bob Cavanaugh via groups.io <cavbob1993=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
In my case, I've never thought to do that until you pointed it out on this
list for the first time a month or so ago. Before that, I had learned that
right click usually meant pressing the applications key, and I'm not sure
I've ever needed a left click. When I do need help with something such as my
problem with browse dialogs from a couple weeks ago, it's because I cannot
access the element in question with usual screen reader commands.






Number formatting in Google Docs

Jonathan Milam
 

Hi All,


Is anyone else seeing an issue where, while in Google docs, NVDA no longer reads letters or numbers in lists?  Several months ago, this worked as expected, but NVDA just now says list for everything in a list, without reading the associated letters and numbers.  I even went back to previous versions of NVDA from last year and still can’t get them to read.  For some reason, Narrator reads them without a problem.


Thanks,

Jonathan

 


Re: right clicking

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

In my case, I've never thought to do that until you pointed it out on this list for the first time a month or so ago. Before that, I had learned that right click usually meant pressing the applications key, and I'm not sure I've ever needed a left click. When I do need help with something such as my problem with browse dialogs from a couple weeks ago, it's because I cannot access the element in question with usual screen reader commands.


Question about NVDA core functionality

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I know that add-on updater and some parts of Windows 10 app essentials will be added to NVDA core functionality in a future release.  Is it possible, or feasible to treat add-ons like clipspeak in the same way?  When I'm using NVDA on someone else's computer, I only use the core functionality because I'm using an installed copy rather than a portable one.

Thanks,

Louise.


Re: right clicking

 

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 12:07 PM, Arlene wrote:
What’s a prepared Mouse?
-
Described two messages back:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/82242 

This is why I ask that folks read through an entire topic before replying.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: right clicking

Arlene
 

What’s a prepared Mouse? Before I moved to this small town. I had a bigger desk and a wireless mouse. I used it with NVDA Then I clicked whatever I needed.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: March 1, 2021 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] right clicking

 

Molly,

          You are the first person I know of who's attempting to do something I've taught my private students in the past.  And you don't use a "prepared mouse" to do that.

           It can be really handy to use the mouse to get a "quick and dirty" overview of a page, sometimes far more rapidly than you can sticking strictly with screen reader commands.

           After having done a "push it to the far left, and then up" to force the mouse to the top left of the screen, then doing a slow (not glacially slow) left to right, top to bottom "waving" of the mouse over the page can get you a lot of information very quickly.  There's a trick to it, but practice makes perfect.  And when you don't want to be actually using the mouse pointer, it's simple to cover that laser port with a piece of tape so you still have your real left and right click buttons available.
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 

 


Re: right clicking

 

Molly,

          You are the first person I know of who's attempting to do something I've taught my private students in the past.  And you don't use a "prepared mouse" to do that.

           It can be really handy to use the mouse to get a "quick and dirty" overview of a page, sometimes far more rapidly than you can sticking strictly with screen reader commands.

           After having done a "push it to the far left, and then up" to force the mouse to the top left of the screen, then doing a slow (not glacially slow) left to right, top to bottom "waving" of the mouse over the page can get you a lot of information very quickly.  There's a trick to it, but practice makes perfect.  And when you don't want to be actually using the mouse pointer, it's simple to cover that laser port with a piece of tape so you still have your real left and right click buttons available.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: learning python

 

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 11:46 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
The only thing I could see needing some tutoring is the code editor, VS Code or Notepad Plus plus, and using a keyboard only approach to using the editor, and using less-than and greater-than instead of left angle bracket and right angle bracket.
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Agreed.  But that has nothing to do, really, with learning Python.

And needing to learn the keyboard commands for any new piece of software you might be using is just a standard part of the procedure at all times, and has to do with that piece of software, not NVDA.

I'm not sure what you mean by the angle bracket part, as to me left angle bracket is synonymous with the less than sign and right angle bracket synonymous with greater than sign when it comes to a keyboard.  The terminology any given set of instructions might use for these will differ.  Of course, if you are initially unfamiliar with the interchangeability then you learn that very quickly.

But I've drifted way, way off of NVDA, and the entire topic was never really about NVDA.  I'd ask that this be taken to the NVDA Chat Subgroup or any of several other more appropriate venues that have already been mentioned.  The fact that NVDA is coded in Python doesn't make learning Python related to NVDA in the sense laid out in the group description or rules.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


aph eib 30

Richard Kuzma
 

Good afternoon,

I have two of these gadgets and the keyboard docking stations that they go inside.

Does anyone know what they are and are they still used or good for anything?

Thanks,

Rich

 


Re: right clicking

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

I find this topic really interesting, as I am just starting to practice using a mouse in combination with NVDA.

I purchased a wireless mouse, as I needed one for my class.

With NVDA’s mouse tracking feature on, I am getting used to slowly moving the mouse to either right click or left click when I need to.

I am by no means good at using the mouse, but I like knowing it is possible to use the mouse.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 11:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] right clicking

 

And I will say, again, that while I understand entirely why a screen reader user does not want to use a mouse or mouse pad to move the mouse pointer, I fail to understand the resistance to using the actual left and right click buttons with a prepared mouse or a masked mousepad.

For a regular optical mouse, a piece of electrical tape placed over the laser output prevents it from ever moving the mouse pointer, giving you direct access to real left and right click buttons (and maybe a scroll wheel, depending on the mouse).  Using a small piece of thick-ish cardboard (like what's on the back of most writing pads, or a piece of a file folder) that's taped in place over the trackpad area of a laptop mousepad does exactly the same thing, still giving you access to the real left and right click buttons when you need them.

They're a lot more reliable than any screen reader's emulation of those buttons.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 

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