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Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I am running three desktops networked in a Windows Ten environment. I have not seen any of this sluggishness with Firefox. I am wondering if all those experiencing these issues are running laptops.  I know a few people have indicated that they are running laptops. Is anyone running only desktops and still having this problem?



On 3/6/2021 11:39 AM, Russell James wrote:

I can also confirm similar experience with using Firefox nightly on an Intel based system with plenty of CPU and memory

Seems a little worse lately like in the last few weeks happening almost once a day

Using many many windows in Firefox with many tabs in each

Also using no script the script blocker and usually only allowing scripts temporarily on the tabs I'm actively using

Lately it seems like more drastic measures are required like power cycling the system however in the past restarting nvda used to work

Russ


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
I experience this, usually a couple of times per day. For me, NVDA is too inactive to use Task Manager to see what process is seizing-up my laptop or tablet. I don't have a desktop shortcut to kill the Firefox process because I didn't know Firefox was to blame. Usually using the Alt+Shift+n shortcut to force NVDA to re-start will work and, as long as I use that brief moment of NVDA life to close a few programs that I figured might be responsible (Firefox and WinAmp and word) I can make sure that I have any unsaved documents saved before re-starting my computer.

I do use Chrome as well as Firefox, but since Firefox is still running with its tabs open when I also use Chrome, I don't know whether this happens if I'd only used Chrome that day. I much prefer the Firefox browser.

I'm using the latest Firefox (86.0) and the latest stable NVDA (2020.4) on both a Surface Pro 4 tablet and an Asus gaming laptop, both using Intel processors and 8Gb memory.

Giles
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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

 

OOPS, a critical typo.  I wrote that you'll enter *@groups.io.   Nuke that at sign.   It's just:   *groups.io.

You want anything that ends in groups.io in the To field to never be sent to spam.  There are To: addresses like the one for this group, which shows in my messages as nvda@nvda.groups.io, and others that are shorter, e.g, blindandroidusers@groups.io.

It simply does not matter what comes before "groups.io," just that the To: address ends with "groups.io."
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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

 

Louise, and anyone using Gmail (whether via webmail or in an e-mail client),

See my tutorial:  Creating IMAP Labels (Folders) and Filters for Gmail

The tutorial is quite lengthy, as I'm trying to cover a wide range of possibilities.  You do NOT have to read the whole thing, from beginning to end.  Instead, proceed as noted below.

You can skip from step one, where you log in to Gmail on the web and get into settings, straight to step six, which is where the step-by-step instructions for creating filters begins.  For this exercise you will not be creating labels/folders, but just a filter that makes sure that anything originating from Groups.io will not be classified as spam.

At step 8, you will be using the To field, in which you'll enter:  *@groups.io
then move along directly to Step 9.

At step 9, you will activate the Never send it to Spam option, and only that option.

Then proceed immediately to navigate to and activate the Create Filter button, and you're done.

Now, any message that comes into your Gmail account that is from any groups.io group should never end up in Spam, but land in your inbox, regardless of anything that might otherwise normally cause a spam filter to trigger.
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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

Louise Pfau
 

Hi Brian.  I got the "[Suspected Spam]" modifier on one of the NVDA messages this morning.  This is the first time I've seen this happen.  I've had to report some of the groups.io messages as "not spam" when they ended up in the "Spam" folder.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Lukasz Golonka
 

This is already reported against Firefox here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1572915

The discussion onn this bug report is rather technical but the short
version is that this hang has been confirmed by multiple users with NVDA
but it is very hard to track down the cuase.

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Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

 

The folks at Mozilla use a dedicated 

Bugzilla
page for their own product line.  They also tend to care both about accessibility and bugs.

Here is the actual Search Page for issues, and you choose the product, Firefox in this case, from the Product dropdown.

I can't find anything related to NVDA that appears to be related to the issue being discussed here, but there are 26 open bugs.  I have not written a bug/issue report in Bugzilla in ages, so I'd have to read the documentation about how to do so if I wanted to.

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Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I definitely think this is a Firefox issue as well. When I use
radioinsight.com daily. I open everything in new windows, and usually
by the time I get to that site I only have one other tab in the main
window open. The limit seems to be about five windows before Firefox
becomes especially unusable, which is much less than IE. The number of
windows opened before Firefox slows down depends on the site for me,
but yes, this is incredibly annoying, particularly on RI on a heavy
news day which there haven't been a tone of lately.

On 3/6/21, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it does. NVDA is noticeably less responsive in Firefox than Chrome.

On 3/6/2021 12:06 AM, Dzhovani wrote:
Hi all,

I've had this issue for some time, but I haven't seen anyone
mentioning it so I decided to ask if I'm the only one having it.

If I keep firefox opened for sufficiently long time, NVDA hangs and
gets unresponsive. Restarting NVDA does not help, while killing the
firefox process from task manager immediately unlocks nvda. I don't
use chrome based browsers enough to observe if it is the same there as
well.

Versions of NVDA and FireFox are the latest.

Some usage patterns that might be related are that I'm usually keeping
messenger opened in a private window. I think that the hanging got
some more frequent since Facebook banned messaging from their mobile
website. Since then the hanging happen around once in a day instead of
once in a few days.

Regards,

Dzhovani










Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

 

Louise,

          There is no "Not spam" button for the inbox, as if something lands in the inbox, Gmail does not consider it to be spam to begin with.  There is an actual spam/mark as spam button in the inbox in case they missed something.

           In the case of someone who is using the Gmail web interface, the very topic of this message is irrelevant.  Gmail does not use the subject line in any way to differentiate between spam/not spam or even classification into labels/folders.

            I really don't know what specific software is in use that puts the various bits within square brackets at the start of the subject line, and I'm not talking about the group identifier itself, which is put there by Groups.io.  I've just noticed recently that lots of topics are being split on several groups because things like, "[spam]," or, "[Suspected Spam]," or "[External]," are being stuck on the front of the subject lines.  And I'm virtually certain that it's not human intervention that's putting those there.  A spam and general filtering program I haven't used for at least 15 years now, Popfile, used to have an option that would do this to subject lines, but I don't know of anyone using it anymore and doubt that's what's going on here.
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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

Jackie
 

Louise, you do this from your spam folder, ie, if a groups.io message
ends up there, then just press the "not spam" button.

On 3/6/21, Louise Pfau <louise.pfau@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Brian.  I'm using the gmail web interface.  Is there a way to report a
message as "not spam" from the inbox?  There is a button to do this in the
"Spam" folder.  Is the "report spam" function the same as the white list
function you mentioned?

Thanks,

Louise





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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

Louise Pfau
 

Hi Brian.  I'm using the gmail web interface.  Is there a way to report a message as "not spam" from the inbox?  There is a button to do this in the "Spam" folder.  Is the "report spam" function the same as the white list function you mentioned?

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

enes sarıbaş
 

I think it does. NVDA is noticeably less responsive in Firefox than Chrome.

On 3/6/2021 12:06 AM, Dzhovani wrote:
Hi all,

I've had this issue for some time, but I haven't seen anyone mentioning it so I decided to ask if I'm the only one having it.

If I keep firefox opened for sufficiently long time, NVDA hangs and gets unresponsive. Restarting NVDA does not help, while killing the firefox process from task manager immediately unlocks nvda. I don't use chrome based browsers enough to observe if it is the same there as well.

Versions of NVDA and FireFox are the latest.

Some usage patterns that might be related are that I'm usually keeping messenger opened in a private window. I think that the hanging got some more frequent since Facebook banned messaging from their mobile website. Since then the hanging happen around once in a day instead of once in a few days.

Regards,

Dzhovani





Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Russell James
 

I don't know for sure but my guess is that it is Firefox not NVDA.

This problem has come and gone and is back again.
While there were several versions of Firefox Nightly updates
NVDA was stable and not updating for a long time until the recent release.
This problem was happening before and continues after the recent NVDA release.

It sounds like other users are not having the problem when using other browsers.

Russ


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 1:49 PM Dzhovani <dzhovani.chemishanov@...> wrote:
Russell,
The first question is if the bug is in NVDA or in Firefox. Firefox exposes an api that NVDA consumes, however, it is as possible that firefox sends bad data as it is that nvda mishandles what it receives.


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Dzhovani
 

Russell,
The first question is if the bug is in NVDA or in Firefox. Firefox exposes an api that NVDA consumes, however, it is as possible that firefox sends bad data as it is that nvda mishandles what it receives.


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Russell James
 

Does anyone know if this has been reported or how to report it to mozilla?

Hopefully this can be fixed

I have more problems with chrome than I do with Firefox

Russ


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 12:52 PM Dzhovani <dzhovani.chemishanov@...> wrote:
Giles, Russell,
If you put the device to sleep and re-awake it, it will give you around a minute to open the task manager and kill the process. It will save you the full reboot.
HTH,
Dzhovani


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Dzhovani
 

Giles, Russell,
If you put the device to sleep and re-awake it, it will give you around a minute to open the task manager and kill the process. It will save you the full reboot.
HTH,
Dzhovani


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

 

Hmmm this is a concern.

I thought it was all of waterfox but if its a mozilla code thing then thats a problem.

For now waterfox 20.08 is fine with noscript classic but security wize I can't really stay here.

Chrome is ok but some sites I use like my computer shop impliment everything under a mouse over link and on waterfox the actual links pop up, on chrome things become a bit weird to use.

But maybe chromium is the only way to go, a pitty because I always liked the mozilla system.

Its a pitty there isn't an classic brouser using the pre quantom engine.

It worked well enough and didn't use uia at all which I have issue with.

Even if I had something old for nonsecure stuff it would be ok I guess.



On 7/03/2021 5:39 am, Russell James wrote:

I can also confirm similar experience with using Firefox nightly on an Intel based system with plenty of CPU and memory

Seems a little worse lately like in the last few weeks happening almost once a day

Using many many windows in Firefox with many tabs in each

Also using no script the script blocker and usually only allowing scripts temporarily on the tabs I'm actively using

Lately it seems like more drastic measures are required like power cycling the system however in the past restarting nvda used to work

Russ


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
I experience this, usually a couple of times per day. For me, NVDA is too inactive to use Task Manager to see what process is seizing-up my laptop or tablet. I don't have a desktop shortcut to kill the Firefox process because I didn't know Firefox was to blame. Usually using the Alt+Shift+n shortcut to force NVDA to re-start will work and, as long as I use that brief moment of NVDA life to close a few programs that I figured might be responsible (Firefox and WinAmp and word) I can make sure that I have any unsaved documents saved before re-starting my computer.

I do use Chrome as well as Firefox, but since Firefox is still running with its tabs open when I also use Chrome, I don't know whether this happens if I'd only used Chrome that day. I much prefer the Firefox browser.

I'm using the latest Firefox (86.0) and the latest stable NVDA (2020.4) on both a Surface Pro 4 tablet and an Asus gaming laptop, both using Intel processors and 8Gb memory.

Giles
Giles


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Russell James
 

I can also confirm similar experience with using Firefox nightly on an Intel based system with plenty of CPU and memory

Seems a little worse lately like in the last few weeks happening almost once a day

Using many many windows in Firefox with many tabs in each

Also using no script the script blocker and usually only allowing scripts temporarily on the tabs I'm actively using

Lately it seems like more drastic measures are required like power cycling the system however in the past restarting nvda used to work

Russ


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
I experience this, usually a couple of times per day. For me, NVDA is too inactive to use Task Manager to see what process is seizing-up my laptop or tablet. I don't have a desktop shortcut to kill the Firefox process because I didn't know Firefox was to blame. Usually using the Alt+Shift+n shortcut to force NVDA to re-start will work and, as long as I use that brief moment of NVDA life to close a few programs that I figured might be responsible (Firefox and WinAmp and word) I can make sure that I have any unsaved documents saved before re-starting my computer.

I do use Chrome as well as Firefox, but since Firefox is still running with its tabs open when I also use Chrome, I don't know whether this happens if I'd only used Chrome that day. I much prefer the Firefox browser.

I'm using the latest Firefox (86.0) and the latest stable NVDA (2020.4) on both a Surface Pro 4 tablet and an Asus gaming laptop, both using Intel processors and 8Gb memory.

Giles
Giles


For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

 

There seems to be a recent uptick, and not only in the NVDA group, of topics being split because whatever "takes a look at incoming email" before it lands in your inbox is adding things like, "[SUSPECTED SPAM]," in front of the original subject line.  This causes topics to be split, sometimes multiple times.

Messages from any group to which you subscribe from any email service, not just Groups.io, are by definition not spam.  You don't get these messages unless you've asked for them.

I am asking anyone who uses this sort of software to please add nvda.groups.io into their whitelist of allowed domains (or whatever terminology your specific product uses to say, "If this message originates from this place, don't classify it as spam.")  If you have other groups.io subscriptions you may just want to add any domain that ends in groups.io.  Also do this for any other subscription email services you're using.  This prevents incorrect spam classification and unintentional topic splitting.
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Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

JM Casey
 

I haven’t experienced this yet so I don’t know what to say about that. But you can always use the taskkill command to close processes if task manager is too slow/unresponsive.

Taskkill /im firefox.exe /f

should terminate all firefox processes.

 

You can also use the tasklist command to get a list of all processes and their memory usage. You’ll need to run this in command prompt to get visible output.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: March 6, 2021 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Re: [nvda] Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

 

I experience this, usually a couple of times per day. For me, NVDA is too inactive to use Task Manager to see what process is seizing-up my laptop or tablet. I don't have a desktop shortcut to kill the Firefox process because I didn't know Firefox was to blame. Usually using the Alt+Shift+n shortcut to force NVDA to re-start will work and, as long as I use that brief moment of NVDA life to close a few programs that I figured might be responsible (Firefox and WinAmp and word) I can make sure that I have any unsaved documents saved before re-starting my computer.

I do use Chrome as well as Firefox, but since Firefox is still running with its tabs open when I also use Chrome, I don't know whether this happens if I'd only used Chrome that day. I much prefer the Firefox browser.

I'm using the latest Firefox (86.0) and the latest stable NVDA (2020.4) on both a Surface Pro 4 tablet and an Asus gaming laptop, both using Intel processors and 8Gb memory.

Giles
Giles


Re: microsoft team with NVDA screen reader

Michael Micallef at FITA
 

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I’m michael, I will send you some material on your private email.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of anthony borg via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] microsoft team with NVDA screen reader

 

CAUTION: This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.

 

Hello

 

Does anyone use Microsoft Team with NVDA screen reader please? If so can you contact me of list.

Anthonyborg001@...

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

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