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locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Gene
 

I don't have an actual procedure, but I would say that, in the case of an unknown voice, one or two people would try it to see if it works and sounds as claimed. I don't know what was done in this case and I'm not assuming either way. I'm saying that it shouldn't be listed if one or two people didn't test it first for performance, sounding as claimed, and safety, not malicious. Voices can be just as malicious as add-ons.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice


I added a line to the extra voices page to clarify that listing was done to provide a resource for users and should not be taken as official endorsement. I can see how a user could very easily get to that page and assume anything there is officially endorsed though.

What do you have in mind for review though? Not everything there is open source, and not everything requires an add-on - eg this new one is a SAPI 5 voice as are several others there.


On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 3:07 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Gene wrote:
I and others have raised many important questions about it.-
As did the announcement. It is not an "implied endorsement" when something is announced with the clear provisos that were used here. If anyone does not understand that this is not the fault of anyone but the reader

There was nothing even vaguely like an endorsement, implied or otherwise. [And, by the way, I red flagged this announcement and there was an awful lot of back-channel discussion before the heavily cautioned announcement.]

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locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Gene
 

I'm not talking about what appeared on this list. The voice is listed as an available voice on the extra voices page and no cautions or qualifications are given there.

I am saying that a voice listed on that page would bee seen by a lot of users as having an implied endorsement in terms of safety. A lot of users wouldn't be familiar with the discussion on list.

The initial message raised serious questions about it and other list members did as well. Nowhere in the list discussion was a statement made such as that Quenton has tried the voice and found it safe and reliable. I don't know what the case is. That is why I said that voices that are unknown should be reviewed. I should have asked if the voice was reviewed and how.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Gene wrote:
I and others have raised many important questions about it.-
As did the announcement. It is not an "implied endorsement" when something is announced with the clear provisos that were used here. If anyone does not understand that this is not the fault of anyone but the reader

There was nothing even vaguely like an endorsement, implied or otherwise. [And, by the way, I red flagged this announcement and there was an awful lot of back-channel discussion before the heavily cautioned announcement.]

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locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Felix G.
 

Hi,
so this is actually your own voice modelled in software through some
technology like Lyrebird?
Best,
Felix Grützmacher

Am Fr., 12. März 2021 um 08:30 Uhr schrieb Jackson Blackford
<blackfordstuff@gmail.com>:


All of these questions are good questions, and I will try to answer them all right now. The reason it is so good for only 5 dollars is because I want a very good TTS voice that anyone who needs it or wants it can use, but not have to spend a lot of money. It is a real TTS voice, not me talking. I recorded 755 long phrases to make the voice, and that's why it's so good. I already had a customer earlier but it was a company. I don't know why a TTS voice company wanted to buy my voice, but as long as they aren't planning on selling it, I guess it's OK. The person who said I wanted to get started and that I am a young creator is right. I am just getting started. The good news is that you don't have to use NVDA to use the voice, as it is SAPI5. I don't have a lot of money, that's why I couldn't make an add-on for NVDA. I haven't the slightest clue where to even begin with creating an add-on by myself. I hope my answers helped. However, I have one more thing to say. I don't think it's right to get suspicious about something that was just started. If someone gave a bad review, that would make sense. However, for people to keep making other people think that it's bad is not acceptable until there is evidence there is something bad. I hope that company who bought the voice from me for 5 dollars can tell you that it works and they can even post a video of them using it if they want to. Thanks.
locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Jackson Blackford <blackfordstuff@...>
 

All of these questions are good questions, and I will try to answer them all right now. The reason it is so good for only 5 dollars is because I want a very good TTS voice that anyone who needs it or wants it can use, but not have to spend a lot of money. It is a real TTS voice, not me talking. I recorded 755 long phrases to make the voice, and that's why it's so good. I already had a customer earlier but it was a company. I don't know why a TTS voice company wanted to buy my voice, but as long as they aren't planning on selling it, I guess it's OK. The person who said I wanted to get started and that I am a young creator is right. I am just getting started. The good news is that you don't have to use NVDA to use the voice, as it is SAPI5. I don't have a lot of money, that's why I couldn't make an add-on for NVDA. I haven't the slightest clue where to even begin with creating an add-on by myself. I hope my answers helped. However, I have one more thing to say. I don't think it's right to get suspicious about something that was just started. If someone gave a bad review, that would make sense. However, for people to keep making other people think that it's bad is not acceptable until there is evidence there is something bad. I hope that company who bought the voice from me for 5 dollars can tell you that it works and they can even post a video of them using it if they want to. Thanks.
locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Quentin Christensen
 

I added a line to the extra voices page to clarify that listing was done to provide a resource for users and should not be taken as official endorsement.  I can see how a user could very easily get to that page and assume anything there is officially endorsed though.

What do you have in mind for review though?  Not everything there is open source, and not everything requires an add-on - eg this new one is a SAPI 5 voice as are several others there.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 3:07 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Gene wrote:
I and others have raised many important questions about it.
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As did the announcement.  It is not an "implied endorsement" when something is announced with the clear provisos that were used here.  If anyone does not understand that this is not the fault of anyone but the reader

There was nothing even vaguely like an endorsement, implied or otherwise.  [And, by the way, I red flagged this announcement and there was an awful lot of back-channel discussion before the heavily cautioned announcement.]
 
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 



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locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Brian Vogel
 

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Gene wrote:
I and others have raised many important questions about it.
-
As did the announcement.  It is not an "implied endorsement" when something is announced with the clear provisos that were used here.  If anyone does not understand that this is not the fault of anyone but the reader

There was nothing even vaguely like an endorsement, implied or otherwise.  [And, by the way, I red flagged this announcement and there was an awful lot of back-channel discussion before the heavily cautioned announcement.]
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 
locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Gene
 

I don't think voices should be added without review, at least when they are unknown. If you list a voice, it has the implied endorsement of NVDA developers just because it is on a trusted site.

I'm not saying the voice isn't what it claims, but I and others have raised many important questions about it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 9:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice


Just to be clear, I did add the voice (at the creators request) to the Extra Voices page, which is part of the Wiki which others could edit as well: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices

In adding it, I was just sharing the resource on the appropriate page, not explicitly endorsing it.

My initial feeling was this was made by a young creator just getting started. Certainly I think we'd all appreciate a review on the voice by anyone who does purchase it (both to allay the fears of those concerned, and just because we all like to know what a new voice is like).


On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:02 AM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:
I haven't looked at a .bat file since the MS DOS days, but isn't it just
a text file you can examine in Notepad or similar?

Wouldn't that quickly determine if it is in any way malicious?










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locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Brian Vogel
 

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 02:02 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
I haven't looked at a .bat file since the MS DOS days, but isn't it just a text file you can examine in Notepad or similar?
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Yes.  And this is true of PowerShell scripts (.ps1) files, too.   The difference is you do not open them for editing by activating them, which causes them to run.  You select, bring up the context menu, and choose Edit from the context menu.
 
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locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Quentin Christensen
 

Just to be clear, I did add the voice (at the creators request) to the Extra Voices page, which is part of the Wiki which others could edit as well: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices

In adding it, I was just sharing the resource on the appropriate page, not explicitly endorsing it.

My initial feeling was this was made by a young creator just getting started.  Certainly I think we'd all appreciate a review on the voice by anyone who does purchase it (both to allay the fears of those concerned, and just because we all like to know what a new voice is like).

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:02 AM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:
I haven't looked at a .bat file since the MS DOS days, but isn't it just
a text file you can examine in Notepad or similar?

Wouldn't that quickly determine if it is in any way malicious?








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Re: NVDA not reading books in kindle book viewer

Mary Otten
 

Pranav, Do you have an iPhone, and did you try that book in the Kindle app?


Mary

On 3/11/2021 3:57 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi Mary,

I am reading the book as a part of kindle unlimited so it’s a part of my subscription.

Thanks for the clarification and this is a royal pain.

Pranav
Re: NVDA and Dictation Bridge

Andrea Sherry
 

How to I get this program?

When I press Windows-h I am told to download the speech package for dictation.

Cheers

Andrea

On 11/03/2021 1:22 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

An alternative is built-in dictation on Windows 10 (Windows+H) coupled with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Pipczak
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 6:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Dictation Bridge

 

Hi all.

 

Has anyone noticed that when using NVDA and Dictation Bridge beta, and using Notepad, Text is not repeated when dictated. It does work properly in Word or Outlook but just not Notepad.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

Jim Pipczak
Access Technology Service Development Lead
Client Services
Vision Australia
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Re: NVDA not reading books in kindle book viewer

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Mary,

I am reading the book as a part of kindle unlimited so it’s a part of my subscription.

Thanks for the clarification and this is a royal pain.

Pranav
Re: NVDA and Dictation Bridge

Jim Pipczak
 

Hi Pranav,

 

I am using Dragon Professional Individual version 15.61.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 2:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Dictation Bridge

 

Hi Jim,

 

I have not experienced this. I use notepad for testing dictationBridge.

 

What version of dragon are you using please?

 

Pranav


Jim Pipczak
Access Technology Service Development Lead
Client Services
Vision Australia
14 & 17 Barrett Street Kensington VIC 3031

M: +614 3375 7598 T: +613 8378 1243 (I: 344243)
E: Jim.Pipczak@...
www.visionaustralia.org


Vision Australia is committed to supporting the blind and low vision community through COVID-19. Find out about our response and free support resources online at www.visionaustralia.org/COVID19.

Re: NVDA and Dictation Bridge

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Windows 10 App Essentials does not support Dragon, as it is beyond the scope of Windows 10 apps. The add-on supports dictation because it is a built-in feature of Windows 10 since Version 1709, and it checks for a UIA event to announce dictated text as understood by this feature.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Dictation Bridge

 

Joseph,

 

Will windows app essentials work with dragon  professional? If not, we can discuss off list and you are free to add that support too.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Dictation Bridge

 

Hi,

The biggest advantages of DictationBridge are support for Dragon and voice commands for NVDA. As far as built-in dictation is concerned, Windows 10 App Essentials will suffice.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Dictation Bridge

 

Joseph, just to double check (since to be honest, I don't use Dictation myself) - does Windows 10 App Essentials now basically replace Dictation Bridge if using Windows dictation?  Or are there still other features Dictation Bridge provides which Win 10 App Essentials doesn't, but they might not be needed by everyone?

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 1:22 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

An alternative is built-in dictation on Windows 10 (Windows+H) coupled with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Pipczak
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 6:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Dictation Bridge

 

Hi all.

 

Has anyone noticed that when using NVDA and Dictation Bridge beta, and using Notepad, Text is not repeated when dictated. It does work properly in Word or Outlook but just not Notepad.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

Jim Pipczak
Access Technology Service Development Lead
Client Services
Vision Australia
14 & 17 Barrett Street Kensington VIC 3031

M: +614 3375 7598 T: +613 8378 1243 (I: 344243)
E: Jim.Pipczak@...
www.visionaustralia.org

Vision Australia is committed to supporting the blind and low vision community through COVID-19. Find out about our response and free support resources online at www.visionaustralia.org/COVID19.


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locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Chris Smart
 

I haven't looked at a .bat file since the MS DOS days, but isn't it just a text file you can examine in Notepad or similar?

Wouldn't that quickly determine if it is in any way malicious?
locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Shaun Everiss
 

Well I will buy this when I get home but yeah, Not sure because of the .bat file, but depending on what it does later on I may try to see if the author should try to use innosetup.

Currently on holiday so no doodling with buying on semi public hotel networks but if this is lagit and loads to where it needs to go, depending on how complex it is, I may try to make an innosetup package, could do as a good podcast, and then give that to the author or tell them how to use innosetup as I have used this with a lot of things.

From listening on google drive this is certainly something I'd like but right now I am away from my backups and working on a semi public hotel network so I am not doing any shopping or banking or anything


On 11/03/2021 10:58 pm, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Hello everyone,

After some discussion and reflection, I am approving the below message to be sent to the list, as Quentin, from NVAccess, has approved the voice to be listed on the wiki. Nonetheless, I have concerns regarding the authenticity of this individual and this voice, and would urge anyone to use caution when purchasing this voice. Always pay using Goods and Services when making a payment on Paypal, not Friends and Family, particularly for this kind of thing, include a description of what you are purchasing, and this way, you should be protected by Paypal's buyer and seller protections. Also, if you happen to purchase this voice, please let us know by writing to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io of your experience, both good or bad. Ordinarily, voices like this are packaged as add-ons, not as .bat files, and, without purchasing the voice, we don't know what the .bat file will do to your system, if anything, and whether the voice is legit. So please take caution, and please let us know if you have purchased it, of your experience, both good and bad. This may be legitimate, and yet it may not.

Nimer Jaber, List Owner

Re: NVDA not reading books in kindle book viewer

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


when you are looking for books make sure it is screen reader enabled.


so in the following case the following book is also text to speech enabled  but this is read out by the program.


Product details
Format: Kindle Edition
File Size: 1634 KB
Print Length: 226 pages
Simultaneous Device Usage: Unlimited
Publisher: Bella Books (15 March 2019)
Sold by: Amazon Australia Services, Inc.
Language: English
ASIN: B07PG5555P
Text-to-Speech: Enabled
X-Ray: Not Enabled
Word Wise: Enabled
Screen Reader: Supported
Enhanced Typesetting: Enabled




Gene nz

On 12/03/2021 6:30 am, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,

I have just bought the following book.
Trading Evolved: Anyone can Build Killer Trading Strategies in Python
By Andreas F. Clenow

I opened the book in kindle and found that a self-voicing component of the
kindle program on windows began reading the book. When I am in the ebook
viewer, moving the arrow keys does not help.

I suspect this is a kindle change more than a NVDA bug. Is there any way to
return to NVDA reading the book in the kindle program?
I have other books in my kindle library which read normally.

What is so special about this book? I will send feedback to amazon but am
asking here as well.

Pranav
Re: NVDA not reading books in kindle book viewer

Mary Otten
 

Hi Pranav,

You have found one of those Kindle books that does not support screen readers; it is a Kindle issue, not an NVDA issue. Occasionally, such books will read ok on the iPhone, but sometimes not. So if you have an IOS device, I'd try it there, and otherwise, get a refund from Amazon for a basically inaccessible book. that self voicing thing is a joke and totally not appropriate, I should think, for a technical book such as the one you bought.


Mary

On 3/11/2021 9:30 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,

I have just bought the following book.
Trading Evolved: Anyone can Build Killer Trading Strategies in Python
By Andreas F. Clenow

I opened the book in kindle and found that a self-voicing component of the
kindle program on windows began reading the book. When I am in the ebook
viewer, moving the arrow keys does not help.

I suspect this is a kindle change more than a NVDA bug. Is there any way to
return to NVDA reading the book in the kindle program?
I have other books in my kindle library which read normally.

What is so special about this book? I will send feedback to amazon but am
asking here as well.

Pranav
NVDA not reading books in kindle book viewer

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

I have just bought the following book.
Trading Evolved: Anyone can Build Killer Trading Strategies in Python
By Andreas F. Clenow

I opened the book in kindle and found that a self-voicing component of the
kindle program on windows began reading the book. When I am in the ebook
viewer, moving the arrow keys does not help.

I suspect this is a kindle change more than a NVDA bug. Is there any way to
return to NVDA reading the book in the kindle program?
I have other books in my kindle library which read normally.

What is so special about this book? I will send feedback to amazon but am
asking here as well.

Pranav
Re: NVDA and Dictation Bridge

Pranav Lal
 

Joseph,

 

Will windows app essentials work with dragon  professional? If not, we can discuss off list and you are free to add that support too.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Dictation Bridge

 

Hi,

The biggest advantages of DictationBridge are support for Dragon and voice commands for NVDA. As far as built-in dictation is concerned, Windows 10 App Essentials will suffice.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Dictation Bridge

 

Joseph, just to double check (since to be honest, I don't use Dictation myself) - does Windows 10 App Essentials now basically replace Dictation Bridge if using Windows dictation?  Or are there still other features Dictation Bridge provides which Win 10 App Essentials doesn't, but they might not be needed by everyone?

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 1:22 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

An alternative is built-in dictation on Windows 10 (Windows+H) coupled with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Pipczak
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 6:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Dictation Bridge

 

Hi all.

 

Has anyone noticed that when using NVDA and Dictation Bridge beta, and using Notepad, Text is not repeated when dictated. It does work properly in Word or Outlook but just not Notepad.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

Jim Pipczak
Access Technology Service Development Lead
Client Services
Vision Australia
14 & 17 Barrett Street Kensington VIC 3031

M: +614 3375 7598 T: +613 8378 1243 (I: 344243)
E: Jim.Pipczak@...
www.visionaustralia.org

Vision Australia is committed to supporting the blind and low vision community through COVID-19. Find out about our response and free support resources online at www.visionaustralia.org/COVID19.


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