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Question about "Golden Cursor" add-on

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I’ve just installed the “Golden Cursor” add-on, and when I turned on “Mouse arrows”, moving the mouse spoke a set of coordinates, but not what the mouse is actually moving over.  I don’t think there’s a setting for that in the “Golden Cursor” settings panel.  Am I correct?
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: Carousels/Sliders and NVDA

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I agree with you that this can be annoying, though I do not encounter it on all that many sites. Usually, search announcements are caused by a slideshow, and there is a button to pause it said slideshow on the website. However, there should be a way to stop a screen reader from reading these automatically.

On Mar 19, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Hi Group,

Recently, I have run into a number of pages that use Carousel/slider animated graphics. When I move using the cursor down the page of such sites, the text associated with the carousel/slider images reads constantly at the end of lines or when you pause the reading.

What can be done to rectify this situation? What should I tell web developers as to how to code in order to alleviate the issue for screen reader users?

Thanks for any help.

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"






Carousels/Sliders and NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Recently, I have run into a number of pages that use Carousel/slider animated graphics.  When I move using the cursor down the page of such sites, the text associated with the carousel/slider images reads constantly at the end of lines or when you pause the reading.

What can be done to rectify this situation?  What should I tell web developers as to how to code in order to alleviate the issue for screen reader users?

Thanks for any help.

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


does nvda have its own keystroke to read footnote?

bering.p
 

Hi,
If you want, you can try  this add-on:
wordAccessEnhancement
This is the current development version.

The stable version is here:
v2.3

I am at your disposal for any further informations.
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 19/03/2021 03:37, Aschalew Byness a écrit :

Hi Friends?
When I  read with NVDA, I want to read the content in the footnote as
well. Does nvda have keystroke of its own to read footnote like
alt+shift+e in jaws? the raven shortcut of word (alt+s, h, is a litle
bit time taking.








Re: Files and folders and drives; properties

Arlene
 

Yes, From day one when I learned how to use the computer and screen reader. It was always the control key to silence it. I think it’s all the same. I’ve used system access besides Jaws and NVDA. They’re all the same when you silence them.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: March 19, 2021 8:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files and folders and drives; properties

 

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 08:40 AM, Gene wrote:

As far as speech is concerned, it will stop as soon as you issue a command such as control,

-
One of the first things I teach is how to shut the screen reader up, and I generally teach that as, "Hit the control or escape key."  I never really thought about issuing other commands, and it's good to know that trick, too.

Many of my clients over the years have lost their sight relatively recently, and are first time screen reader users.  With the advent of the newer virtually human sounding synthesizers it was interesting to see how really deeply engrained social strictures about "not interrupting someone" came into play with regard to the screen reader reading.  People hear a human voice and everything you know about what you do, and do not, do in regard to another person comes into play.

Disabusing them of the notion that any deference need be given the screen reader is an overarching goal early on.  You can shut it up whenever you so choose and no offense will be taken!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 

 


Re: Files and folders and drives; properties

Gene
 

Any other command stops speech while executing the other command. Thus, control need only be used when you want to stop speech and take no other action.

It seems to me that some people believe that, for some reason, you have to let speech run until it is finished. Maybe they think they might damage the computer if they stop it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files and folders and drives; properties

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 08:40 AM, Gene wrote:
As far as speech is concerned, it will stop as soon as you issue a command such as control,-
One of the first things I teach is how to shut the screen reader up, and I generally teach that as, "Hit the control or escape key." I never really thought about issuing other commands, and it's good to know that trick, too.

Many of my clients over the years have lost their sight relatively recently, and are first time screen reader users. With the advent of the newer virtually human sounding synthesizers it was interesting to see how really deeply engrained social strictures about "not interrupting someone" came into play with regard to the screen reader reading. People hear a human voice and everything you know about what you do, and do not, do in regard to another person comes into play.

Disabusing them of the notion that any deference need be given the screen reader is an overarching goal early on. You can shut it up whenever you so choose and no offense will be taken!

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

~ Anton Chekhov


Re: Files and folders and drives; properties

 

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 08:40 AM, Gene wrote:
As far as speech is concerned, it will stop as soon as you issue a command such as control,
-
One of the first things I teach is how to shut the screen reader up, and I generally teach that as, "Hit the control or escape key."  I never really thought about issuing other commands, and it's good to know that trick, too.

Many of my clients over the years have lost their sight relatively recently, and are first time screen reader users.  With the advent of the newer virtually human sounding synthesizers it was interesting to see how really deeply engrained social strictures about "not interrupting someone" came into play with regard to the screen reader reading.  People hear a human voice and everything you know about what you do, and do not, do in regard to another person comes into play.

Disabusing them of the notion that any deference need be given the screen reader is an overarching goal early on.  You can shut it up whenever you so choose and no offense will be taken!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Files and folders and drives; properties

Gene
 

Also, while read tool tips may be the simplest solution, it may not be to your best advantage. It may be something you will want to use, but I think it is better to get comfortable using screen review and/or object review, whatever you are using here NVDA commands. Whatever you are using is convenient and important for a lot of other uses and using the easiest solution before you get comfortable using these commands may be a disincentive to using them comfortably and well.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 7:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files and folders and drives; properties

As far as speech is concerned, it will stop as soon as you issue a command
such as control, down arrow, or any other command that stops the current
speech which is actually any keyboard command.

To hear the information read automatically, you will have to have files and
folders displayed using details rather than list.

While you can easily stop speech, you may not want to hear it automatically
and have to stop it. You will also hear descriptions at other times, such
as on the desktop.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files and folders and drives; properties

Hi Zara,

When the nvda preferences is set to "tool tips", does that cause a lot of
unnecessary chatter?

Cheers,

Montt

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: March 19, 2021 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files and folders and drives; properties

hi.
honestly, i dont use properties most of times.
in nvda preferences, object presentation, i just checked report tooltips and
nvda reads such informations automaticly for me.
i believe that its the most simple solution about reading properties!

On 3/18/21, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi List,



I am using current nvda and win 20h2.





Often, I want to know the properties of Files and folders and drives;

I select the item I want and press alt+enter.

How do I move through the material displayed on the properties page.

Currently I have to hear it all read.

There is a faster way?

Line by line?



Cheers,



Monte









--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Files and folders and drives; properties

Gene
 

As far as speech is concerned, it will stop as soon as you issue a command such as control, down arrow, or any other command that stops the current speech which is actually any keyboard command.

To hear the information read automatically, you will have to have files and folders displayed using details rather than list.

While you can easily stop speech, you may not want to hear it automatically and have to stop it. You will also hear descriptions at other times, such as on the desktop.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files and folders and drives; properties

Hi Zara,

When the nvda preferences is set to "tool tips", does that cause a lot of unnecessary chatter?

Cheers,

Montt

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: March 19, 2021 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files and folders and drives; properties

hi.
honestly, i dont use properties most of times.
in nvda preferences, object presentation, i just checked report tooltips and nvda reads such informations automaticly for me.
i believe that its the most simple solution about reading properties!

On 3/18/21, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi List,



I am using current nvda and win 20h2.





Often, I want to know the properties of Files and folders and drives;

I select the item I want and press alt+enter.

How do I move through the material displayed on the properties page.

Currently I have to hear it all read.

There is a faster way?

Line by line?



Cheers,



Monte









--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Files and folders and drives; properties

 

hi.
do you mean extra informations or wrong informations?
some people say that this option should be unchecked.
but i always use it and i am satisfied of it.
but sometimes in teamtalk for example: it reads the name of person
incorrectly and i should use up arrow and down arrow key again.
in general, i am satisfied of it and love it.
and also, because i did not learn object navigation and dont use
screen review, very offten, its a very helpful feature for me that
nvda reports the descriptions and tooltips automaticly.
i forgot to say,
i am very glad that nvda even describes the items in control panel,
and different items like my document, my computer, etc.

On 3/19/21, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi Zara,

When the nvda preferences is set to "tool tips", does that cause a lot of
unnecessary chatter?

Cheers,

Montt

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: March 19, 2021 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files and folders and drives; properties

hi.
honestly, i dont use properties most of times.
in nvda preferences, object presentation, i just checked report tooltips and
nvda reads such informations automaticly for me.
i believe that its the most simple solution about reading properties!

On 3/18/21, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi List,



I am using current nvda and win 20h2.





Often, I want to know the properties of Files and folders and drives;

I select the item I want and press alt+enter.

How do I move through the material displayed on the properties page.

Currently I have to hear it all read.

There is a faster way?

Line by line?



Cheers,



Monte









--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali










--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Files and folders and drives; properties

Monte Single
 

Hi Zara,

When the nvda preferences is set to "tool tips", does that cause a lot of unnecessary chatter?

Cheers,

Montt

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: March 19, 2021 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files and folders and drives; properties

hi.
honestly, i dont use properties most of times.
in nvda preferences, object presentation, i just checked report tooltips and nvda reads such informations automaticly for me.
i believe that its the most simple solution about reading properties!

On 3/18/21, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi List,



I am using current nvda and win 20h2.





Often, I want to know the properties of Files and folders and drives;

I select the item I want and press alt+enter.

How do I move through the material displayed on the properties page.

Currently I have to hear it all read.

There is a faster way?

Line by line?



Cheers,



Monte









--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Files and folders and drives; properties

 

hi.
honestly, i dont use properties most of times.
in nvda preferences, object presentation, i just checked report
tooltips and nvda reads such informations automaticly for me.
i believe that its the most simple solution about reading properties!

On 3/18/21, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi List,



I am using current nvda and win 20h2.





Often, I want to know the properties of Files and folders and drives;

I select the item I want and press alt+enter.

How do I move through the material displayed on the properties page.

Currently I have to hear it all read.

There is a faster way?

Line by line?



Cheers,



Monte








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: does nvda have its own keystroke to read footnote?

Rowen Cary
 

Expect NVDA to have this feature.


Re: does nvda have its own keystroke to read footnote?

Quentin Christensen
 

NVDA doesn't have a command for this.  The Word command is alt+s, then h.  To get back to the document press the applications key to open the context menu and G to "Go to footnote" (As in go to the footnote reference in the text).


And a linked issue to have an option to simply read out footnotes automatically during reading: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8739

Please do comment on either or both with any extra information.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 1:37 PM Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi Friends?
When I  read with NVDA, I want to read the content in the footnote as
well. Does nvda have keystroke of its own to read footnote like
alt+shift+e in jaws? the raven shortcut of word (alt+s, h, is a litle
bit time taking.







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Files and folders and drives; properties

Luke Davis
 

I get the same behavior, but the checkbox object that is first focused is just called "Read only", if I do this on a file rather than a folder.

I believe, in the folder context, it is informing that the files in the folder will be read-only, not the folder itself.

I have never tried to make a folder read-only in Windows, so don't know what effects might follow.

Luke

On Thu, 18 Mar 2021, Gene wrote:

that dialog. But I find it odd that you evidently get a message that says only applies to files in folder. How would whatever if generating the message know what you are doing and what the command applies to? I wonder if this is an NVDA generated message. What happens if you are in a folder and on a specific file? Do you get the same message when in properties for a single file?


does nvda have its own keystroke to read footnote?

Aschalew Byness
 

Hi Friends?
When I read with NVDA, I want to read the content in the footnote as
well. Does nvda have keystroke of its own to read footnote like
alt+shift+e in jaws? the raven shortcut of word (alt+s, h, is a litle
bit time taking.


Re: Could not load the sapi5 synthesizer.

Quentin Christensen
 
Edited

Without more information as others have said, it's hard to know exactly what is going on.
 
One other situation which came to mind - I have also seen a couple of SAPI 5 voices which were licensed to one program and would not work in other programs.  This caused problems if they were presented as the first or default SAPI 5 voice.  If that is the case, you would possibly need to uninstall the other program, or you might be able to press NVDA+control+R three times quickly to reset NVDA to factory defaults (as the default synthesizer for NVDA is either OneCore in Windows 10, or eSpeak-NG in earlier versions of Windows).
 
Regards
 
Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 4:09 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 12:56 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
I would first run the Comm Registration Fixing Tool in NVDA Menu >Tools.
-
I truly doubt that will make the slightest difference given the information available, but, I absolutely agree that this is such a simple troubleshooting step that it should always be tried.

The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

I just don't think that this is going to end up being an NVDA issue.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 

 

 


 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
 


Re: setting NVDA modifier key

Gene
 

Changing to laptop layout doesn't affect whether the capslock is used as a modifier. It remains off unless you check the check box that you see when tabbing through the keyboard settings dialog. This check box appears whether you are in desktop or laptop layout. It is no harder or easier to turn capslock on or off regardless of which layout you are using.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 5:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] setting NVDA modifier key

The easiest way is to change to using the laptop keyboard layout as opposed to desktop.

You also have the option to add it to the existing Insert and NumPad Insert that are the two defaults for desktop keyboard layout with a checkbox.

All of this is in NVDA Settings [NVDA+N,P,S], Keyboard Pane [which can be found by hitting K for first letter Nav], then tabbing over and going through the settings. (Two tabs should land you on the checkbox to add Caps Lock to the NVDA Modifier Key collection if you are using Desktop keyboard layout.)
--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

~ Anton Chekhov


Re: Files and folders and drives; properties

Gene
 

There may be something different in Windows 10 about what is an object in that dialog. But I find it odd that you evidently get a message that says only applies to files in folder. How would whatever if generating the message know what you are doing and what the command applies to? I wonder if this is an NVDA generated message. What happens if you are in a folder and on a specific file? Do you get the same message when in properties for a single file?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files and folders and drives; properties

Gene wrote:

Try it and you'll see that it works if Windows 10 is like other versions of
Windows in this respect.
The below shows an attempt to view properties of a file. Captured using the NVDA
speech viewer, with command keys on to show my work.
I also made sure I was in object review (shown).
NVDA Alpha, Windows 10 (2004).

=====

Items View list
000testFolder 1 of 519
NVDA+numpad 1
Object review
000testFolder
alt+enter
000testFolder Properties dialog
General property page Type: File folder
Location: C:\Users\luke\AppData\Local\Temp
Size: 0 bytes
Size on disk: 0 bytes
Contains: 0 Files, 0 Folders
Created: Thursday, December 17, 2020, 12:43:20 AM
Attributes:
Read-only (Only applies to files in folder) check box half checked Alt+r
shift+numpad 7
Read-only (Only applies to files in folder)
numpad 9
Bottom
Read-only (Only applies to files in folder)
numpad 7
Top
Read-only (Only applies to files in folder)
NVDA+numpad 7
Screen review
Read-only (Only applies to files in folder)
shift+numpad 7
000testFolder
numpad 9
Type: File folder
numpad 9
Location: C:\Users\luke\AppData\Local\Temp
numpad 9
Size: 0 bytes
numpad 9
Size on disk: 0 bytes
numpad 9
Contains: 0 Files, 0 Folders
numpad 9
Created: Thursday, December 17, 2020, 12:43:20 AM
numpad 9
Attributes:
numpad 9
Read-only (Only applies to files in folder)
numpad 9
Hidden
numpad 9
Advanced...
numpad 9
blank
numpad 9
OK Cancel Apply
NVDA+numpad 1
Object review
OK
numpad 7
Top
OK
shift+numpad 7
OK

=====

My understanding is that the object that is the half-checked checkbox, acquires
focus, and prevents object review from going anywhere else. Which is how it's
supposed to work.

Luke

On Thu, 18 Mar 2021, Gene wrote:

That isn't correct. At least it isn't correct in the versions of Windows I've
used. While you can go into review mode and do this, in this case, it isn't
necessary. Staying in object review works here because the dialog is one
object. You can therefore use the commands I gave in object mode. I didn't
know it was all one object until I tried moving this way in the dialog while
staying in object navigation mode. I did so because it’s a little more
convenient not to issue the extra commands to go into review mode, then
return to object navigation. So I tried object navigation first in the
dialog.


Re: setting NVDA modifier key

 

Hi,

Nimer might be able to provide a more solid evidence, but based on discussions back then, the current laptop keyboard layout received mixed reception (it was also around the time just prior to me serving as list mod). But the definitive answer is that one must select caps lock key manually as modifier key (NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Keyboard).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] setting NVDA modifier key

 

Joseph,

          Thanks.  That 2013 date definitely makes it prior to my involvement with NVDA in any depth.  I joined this group in March 2016, and I cannot recall if I was ever on the freelists list, and if I was, it would have been for a very short time before the appearance of this group on Groups.io.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 

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