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Re: Information that's essential when asking about suspected NVDA issues . . .

 

Louise,

         The Home versus Pro (or any other edition) information is read right after the copyright line.  In the case of my machine, after the copyright line is read, the next line starts with, "The Windows 10 Pro operating system . . ."

          After you hear that part, there is nothing after it that would be of any value as far as doing diagnostics for a given machine/issue.  The big three are version, build, and edition.
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Information that's essential when asking about suspected NVDA issues . . .

 

Gene,

         It's precisely the same (or else very, very similar) for the output of winver regardless of the version of Windows.
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Re: Information that's essential when asking about suspected NVDA issues . . .

Gene
 

Are you just letting the whole statement read? I don't know about Windows 10. If I just let everything read, after the version information is spoken, a copyright notice is spoken. It begins by saying something about Windows 7 Home is protected by, etc.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Information that's essential when asking about suspected NVDA issues . . .



Hi




When you type in winver into the search box then a result comes up for it it will read it out.




To get to the info because you can not get to it with arrow keys. on my desk top use the nvda key +7 on the numeric keypad to put it into screen review. Use the number 7 on the numeric keypad to go up a line and 9 to go down a line.




Once you are on the very top line go to the very first letter on the first line the number one on the numeric keypad will do this. You can then use the nvda key + f9 key to start a mark then use 9 on the numeric keypad to read the lines down the page to you got it all then the number 3 on the numeric keypad move that to the last of the information you want to copy then use the nvda key + f10 key twice to copy the info then paste it into a email.







The sections in the user manual is 5.5 for reviewing text and the one below it says the modes.







Gene nz










On 26/03/2021 8:38 am, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi. I opened Winver through the search box, and there doesn’t seem to be a version type such as “Home” or “Pro”. Is it possible I’m looking in the wrong place in the dialog? The only information I found was “Version 20H2 (OS Build 19042.867)”. I know it’s windows 10, but it just says “Microsoft Windows”. I use a combination of NVDA with the virtual review add-on and the JAWS “Virtualize current window” command, so it’s easier to copy information like that from dialogs.

Louise


Re: problems with a punctuation mark

Gene
 

This may be a synthesizer problem, not a screen-reader problem. I'm not sure what you would do in that case. I get no such words when I use either E-Speak or Via Voice.


Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problems with a punctuation mark

Hi all, this is not a major problem, just a minor irritation!

a couple of Facebook friends of mine, probably due to something in their language settings (one friend is in Belarus), use a pair of ′ symbols instead of quote marks. NVDA reads them as "prime". An recent example was ′′book′′.

I tried adding an entry for the ′′ into the NVDA dictionary, but NVDA still reads it as "Prime prime". I selected it should be the whole word in an attempt to get it to say "quote" for the pair of prime symbols, but still no success. I tried this in the default dictionary, voice dictionary and temporary dictionary, with no success.

I wondered if I might be able to find the ′ symbol in the symbol pronunciations list, but I presume that wouldn't work because, assuming I could specify that NVDA should say "quote" instead of "prime", it would double it because two of the ′ symbols are used.

Does anybody have any suggestions why I can't change the narration of the ′′ pair via one of the dictionaries, and whether there's another way to achieve the result?

Thanks,

Giles


Re: Information that's essential when asking about suspected NVDA issues . . .

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


When you type in winver into the search box then a result comes up for it it will read it out.


To get to the info because you can not get to it with arrow keys. on my desk top use the nvda key +7 on the numeric keypad  to put it into screen review. Use the number 7 on the numeric keypad to go up a line and 9 to go down a line.


Once you are on the very top line go to the very first letter on the first line the number one on the numeric keypad will do this. You can then use the nvda key + f9 key to start a mark then use 9 on the numeric keypad to read the lines down the page to you got it all then the number 3 on the numeric keypad move that to the last of the information you want to copy then use the nvda key + f10 key twice to copy the info then paste it into a email.



The sections in the user manual is 5.5 for reviewing text and the one below it says the modes.



Gene nz




On 26/03/2021 8:38 am, Louise Pfau wrote:
Hi.  I opened Winver through the search box, and there doesn’t seem to be a version type such as “Home” or “Pro”.  Is it possible I’m looking in the wrong place in the dialog?  The only information I found was “Version 20H2 (OS Build 19042.867)”.  I know it’s windows 10, but it just says “Microsoft Windows”.  I use a combination of NVDA with the virtual review add-on and the JAWS “Virtualize current window” command, so it’s easier to copy information like that from dialogs.
 
Louise


Re: Information that's essential when asking about suspected NVDA issues . . .

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I opened Winver through the search box, and there doesn’t seem to be a version type such as “Home” or “Pro”.  Is it possible I’m looking in the wrong place in the dialog?  The only information I found was “Version 20H2 (OS Build 19042.867)”.  I know it’s windows 10, but it just says “Microsoft Windows”.  I use a combination of NVDA with the virtual review add-on and the JAWS “Virtualize current window” command, so it’s easier to copy information like that from dialogs.
 
Louise


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Rui Fontes
 

Here is very different...

When the dialog opens NVDA read the information, but when you press Tab nothing is read.


Rui Fontes


Às 18:23 de 25/03/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Rui, listen to:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pJmW23YhVbrhCh1gWkL4TMegVDCxJBfl/view?usp=sharing

I started recording just before I started typing "This is a test."  Even with my fat fingering the entire recording is less than 60 seconds long.  You can hear me tabbing around the Save dialog more than once after I had it open.  It's saying everything for me that I am accustomed to hearing when navigating a Save dialog.

The volume in the Google Media Player is very low for some reason.  When I download the file and listen to it using Windows Media Player it's easier to hear.
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

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Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

 

Rui, listen to:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pJmW23YhVbrhCh1gWkL4TMegVDCxJBfl/view?usp=sharing

I started recording just before I started typing "This is a test."  Even with my fat fingering the entire recording is less than 60 seconds long.  You can hear me tabbing around the Save dialog more than once after I had it open.  It's saying everything for me that I am accustomed to hearing when navigating a Save dialog.

The volume in the Google Media Player is very low for some reason.  When I download the file and listen to it using Windows Media Player it's easier to hear.
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Rui Fontes
 

When you tab around the save dialog, what NVDA says?

In my case, with NVDA 2020.3 or last Alpha, nothing is echoed by NVDA!


Rui


Às 17:32 de 25/03/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:52 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

The dialog asking if you want to save the file is not accessible...

 

Open the Options dialog and it is not accessible...

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I have no issue with either, and can post a link to recordings of NVDA speaking if you'd like to hear them.

I did, however, just encounter another "on first use" accessibility issue with a dialog that opens that asks you whether you'd prefer to use Microsoft Office file formats for the SoftMaker Office equivalents or use their own file formats.  I always choose MS-Office, and have typically done that from each program.  This is the first install I've done using the MSI installer where I get this query on first run.  NVDA read the content of the dialog just fine, but I had an issue (and it could be stupidity on my part) in trying to get to the radio button for using the Microsoft Office file formats.  This is another of those annoying setup issues but, once done once, never recurs again.

I am genuinely curious as to who's hitting what issues with NVDA and SoftMaker Free Office, but I cannot replicate the issues you mention.  I get the standard Windows 10 Save and Open Dialogs, with the TextMaker icon (in this test case) at the upper left corner just like I get in MS-Word, but with the Word icon in the upper left corner in that case.

I'm using NVDA 2020.4 and the version of SoftMaker Free Office that installs with the MSI file named freeoffice2018.msi.  This is on a machine running Windows 10 Home 20H2, Build 19042.804 (I haven't fired this particular machine up for a while, so it's not quite current on the dot level).
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:52 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

The dialog asking if you want to save the file is not accessible...

 

Open the Options dialog and it is not accessible...

-
I have no issue with either, and can post a link to recordings of NVDA speaking if you'd like to hear them.

I did, however, just encounter another "on first use" accessibility issue with a dialog that opens that asks you whether you'd prefer to use Microsoft Office file formats for the SoftMaker Office equivalents or use their own file formats.  I always choose MS-Office, and have typically done that from each program.  This is the first install I've done using the MSI installer where I get this query on first run.  NVDA read the content of the dialog just fine, but I had an issue (and it could be stupidity on my part) in trying to get to the radio button for using the Microsoft Office file formats.  This is another of those annoying setup issues but, once done once, never recurs again.

I am genuinely curious as to who's hitting what issues with NVDA and SoftMaker Free Office, but I cannot replicate the issues you mention.  I get the standard Windows 10 Save and Open Dialogs, with the TextMaker icon (in this test case) at the upper left corner just like I get in MS-Word, but with the Word icon in the upper left corner in that case.

I'm using NVDA 2020.4 and the version of SoftMaker Free Office that installs with the MSI file named freeoffice2018.msi.  This is on a machine running Windows 10 Home 20H2, Build 19042.804 (I haven't fired this particular machine up for a while, so it's not quite current on the dot level).
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Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Just write something in a document and close the program with Alt+F4...

The dialog asking if you want to save the file is not accessible...


Open the Options dialog and it is not accessible...


Rui Fontes


Às 16:19 de 25/03/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 11:41 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Dialogs are not accessible!
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Examples?  I'm not doubting you, I just want to play, and trigger what you've triggered as part of it. 
 
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Re: problems with a punctuation mark

 

Giles,

It sounds like you're trying to define something for two single apostrophes (read prime singularly, and prime prime in a pair). 

I would try a regex match on: 
''(.*)''    [That's apostrophe apostrophe left parenthesis dot asterisk right parenthesis apostrophe apostrophe]
with the replacement string being:
quote \1 quote

and see how that works.  Do it in the default dictionary, as this regex match is not likely at all to match anything but this odd case.  If it happens to catch something else, then we can work on figuring out how to limit what it catches further.  But the combination of two successive single quote marks is almost unheard of in typical written English.  (Let's not get in to mathematical notation here, and I doubt you're using that anyway.)

It's interesting, as I've never seen anything that does two apostrophes/single quote marks as a substitution for the much more common double quote mark.
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 11:41 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Dialogs are not accessible!
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Examples?  I'm not doubting you, I just want to play, and trigger what you've triggered as part of it. 
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


problems with a punctuation mark

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all, this is not a major problem, just a minor irritation!

a couple of Facebook friends of mine, probably due to something in their language settings (one friend is in Belarus), use a pair of ′ symbols instead of quote marks. NVDA reads them as "prime". An recent example was ′′book′′.

I tried adding an entry for the ′′ into the NVDA dictionary, but NVDA still reads it as "Prime prime". I selected it should be the whole word in an attempt to get it to say "quote" for the pair of prime symbols, but still no success. I tried this in the default dictionary, voice dictionary and temporary dictionary, with no success.

I wondered if I might be able to find the ′ symbol in the symbol pronunciations list, but I presume that wouldn't work because, assuming I could specify that NVDA should say "quote" instead of "prime", it would double it because two of the ′ symbols are used.

Does anybody have any suggestions why I can't change the narration of the ′′ pair via one of the dictionaries, and whether there's another way to achieve the result?

Thanks,

Giles


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Rui Fontes
 

Correction!

Now I have managed to change to menu layout...

The menus are accesible.

Dialogs are not accessible!


Rui Fontes


Às 15:17 de 25/03/2021, Rui Fontes via groups.io escreveu:

Sorry...

I have installed the suite.

In first launching I have choosen Menu driven.

Program restarted and no accessibility at all...


I can't access the menus with Alt+F, Alt+E and so on.

I can't access the menus using object navegation...


Rui


Às 13:34 de 25/03/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:
Lanie,

          Here's the link to the main page (which includes a download button) for SoftMaker FreeOffice.  I am fairly certain that I discussed installing it either on the Chat Subgroup or Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group.  What's truly perversely funny is that everything in the setup is accessible except the screen where you choose menu versus ribbon driven interface.  And the interface is switchable in the programs themselves, but if you initially go with ribbon that makes even the switching a nightmare.  But it's easy enough to work through that screen once you know what it looks like just by tabbing a couple of times then hitting enter.  If you need me to look this up, please send me a private message.
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry...

I have installed the suite.

In first launching I have choosen Menu driven.

Program restarted and no accessibility at all...


I can't access the menus with Alt+F, Alt+E and so on.

I can't access the menus using object navegation...


Rui


Às 13:34 de 25/03/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Lanie,

          Here's the link to the main page (which includes a download button) for SoftMaker FreeOffice.  I am fairly certain that I discussed installing it either on the Chat Subgroup or Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group.  What's truly perversely funny is that everything in the setup is accessible except the screen where you choose menu versus ribbon driven interface.  And the interface is switchable in the programs themselves, but if you initially go with ribbon that makes even the switching a nightmare.  But it's easy enough to work through that screen once you know what it looks like just by tabbing a couple of times then hitting enter.  If you need me to look this up, please send me a private message.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: NVDA with Microsoft Windows OneCore voice in Vietnamese

Vy pham
 

Thanks so much Cuong! I will give that a shot! Talk soon! thank you again.

On 3/25/21, Cuong Dang Manh <dangmanhcuong@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ms. Vy
Try the following
Switch to OneCore Synthesizer
Open Voice settings (Ctrl+NVDA+V
Find the option called Automatic language swiching when supported, and
make sure it uncheck.
Now try using the Vietnamese voice to see if this problem is fixed. This
case, I guess you open a file which people didn't declare language
before editting, and the default language in Word usually English.
Hope that help
Cuong
On 3/25/2021 7:16 PM, Vy pham wrote:
Howdy all!
I hope you people are all well and safe during the pandemic. Could you
folks please provide me with some tips here? I love using the Microsoft
Windows OneCore voice in Vietnamese with NVDA. My problem is everytime I
access the Microsoft Office applications, specifically Word, I am running
into an issue where the language is not reading
properly. Instead of reading in Vietnamese (An), it automatically switches
to David, the English American. I am assuming this has to do with the
unicode setting? Hints please?
Many thanks in advance!
You all take good care of yourself and your family!









Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:24 AM, Wershing, Alice D. wrote:
I recently assisted someone to set up a free account for Microsoft Office.    
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Be aware, though, that this refers to the web-based version of Office.  Not that there's anything wrong with the web-based version of Office, but it's not precisely the same as what you're used to if you've been using one of the installed versions.
 
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Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Wershing, Alice D.
 

I recently assisted someone to set up a free account for Microsoft Office.    This may be the best option for you. 
Alice
 
 
 
Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. 
Disability Services, Technology Specialist
TNecampus Accessibility Specialist 
Pellissippi State Technical Community College
865-694-6751


Re: NVDA with Microsoft Windows OneCore voice in Vietnamese

 

Hi Ms. Vy
Try the following
Switch to OneCore Synthesizer
Open Voice settings (Ctrl+NVDA+V
Find the option called Automatic language swiching when supported, and make sure it uncheck.
Now try using the Vietnamese voice to see if this problem is fixed. This case, I guess you open a file which people didn't declare language before editting, and the default language in Word usually English.
Hope that help
Cuong

On 3/25/2021 7:16 PM, Vy pham wrote:
Howdy all!
I hope you people are all well and safe during the pandemic. Could you folks please provide me with some tips here? I love using the Microsoft Windows OneCore voice in Vietnamese with NVDA. My problem is everytime I access the Microsoft Office applications, specifically Word, I am running into an issue where the language is not reading
properly. Instead of reading in Vietnamese (An), it automatically switches to David, the English American. I am assuming this has to do with the unicode setting? Hints please?
Many thanks in advance!
You all take good care of yourself and your family!



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