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Re: problems with a punctuation mark

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:05 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
′′book′′
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Giles,

         After what's been mentioned in the two parallel topics about this, I would recommend you construct your regular expression using copy and paste.  Then, after having copied an actual example in, change the word that is between the quotation characters to:  (.*)
By doing this you are insured that whatever characters they are using are what are going in to your regex, and the bit of the regex I've given above captures the actual word that's between the two.   Presuming you still want those read as quote, the replacement string:
quote \1 quote
will get that result.

I am presuming you have a default dictionary that's not nearly as whacky as mine has become as a direct result of testing all of these sorts of things and failing to consistently clean up afterward.
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Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

 

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 06:56 AM, Hettie wrote:
How do I uninstall the program?
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Using Control Panel, Programs & Features Item.

Open that, find Softmaker Free Office in the list and select it, then activate the Uninstall control.
 
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Re: problems with a punctuation mark

 

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 08:21 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Why is it pronounced Tick, when it should be Apostrophe or Single Quote?
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Steve,

I could swear that this was just discussed here, but it could have been on the JAWS group.

In programming circles in particular, when going through characters, brevity is valued.  It is a lot faster to say/hear tick for either apostrophe or single quote.  It is also very common for exclamation point to be announced as bang.

It's nothing more than a design choice based on a specific jargon convention.  It really can speed things up if you do a lot of character by character checking.
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Re: problems with a punctuation mark

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I was going to mention the Tick.  Why is it pronounced Tick, when it should be Apostrophe or Single Quote? I have changed it in mine, but it’s an odd default pronunciation.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 25 March 2021 22:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems with a punctuation mark

 

Gene,

Just curious what you get for the following line:

''Gene''

Using OneCore I get Gene prime, which is really interesting. Particularly because I get tick (which is not unexpected) if I start going character by character from the start of the line.

It would be better, if it's not being done by some weird automation, for the originators not to use two single quotes in place of a single double quote character.
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Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

I tried SoftMaker FreeOffice but don't like it. How do I uninstall the program?

The normal way to uninstall programs from the settings menu doesn't work. I enter on the option to uninstall the program and then Windows starts to install it again. Even Google couldn't come with a workable solution.


Hettie


On 3/25/2021 3:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Lanie,

          Here's the link to the main page (which includes a download button) for SoftMaker FreeOffice.  I am fairly certain that I discussed installing it either on the Chat Subgroup or Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group.  What's truly perversely funny is that everything in the setup is accessible except the screen where you choose menu versus ribbon driven interface.  And the interface is switchable in the programs themselves, but if you initially go with ribbon that makes even the switching a nightmare.  But it's easy enough to work through that screen once you know what it looks like just by tabbing a couple of times then hitting enter.  If you need me to look this up, please send me a private message.
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Re: does nvda have its own keystroke to read footnote?

Sylwek Piekarski
 

Hello Paul

Thank you for a very functional addition.
I have a proposal to program another function. I suggest adding the ability to read for the current page of the content from the header and footer. I suggest that separate keyboard shortcuts are used.

Regards

Sylwek

W dniu 19.03.2021 o 19:46, bering.p pisze:

Hi,
If you want, you can try  this add-on:
wordAccessEnhancement
This is the current development version.

The stable version is here:
v2.3

I am at your disposal for any further informations.
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 19/03/2021 03:37, Aschalew Byness a écrit :
Hi Friends?
When I  read with NVDA, I want to read the content in the footnote as
well. Does nvda have keystroke of its own to read footnote like
alt+shift+e in jaws? the raven shortcut of word (alt+s, h, is a litle
bit time taking.








Re: problems with a punctuation mark

Gene
 

I'm not sure what is being used. In the one example given with the marks, if I read them character by character, I hear apostrophe, not tick. If I read the line, I don't hear anything. I tried using double apostrophes using my keyboard, announced as ticks, in Notepad, preceding and following a word and I hear tick tick, if I have punctuation set to read that sign.

So there are two questions, what is being used and what synthesizer is being used.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 5:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems with a punctuation mark

Gene,

Just curious what you get for the following line:

''Gene''

Using OneCore I get Gene prime, which is really interesting. Particularly because I get tick (which is not unexpected) if I start going character by character from the start of the line.

It would be better, if it's not being done by some weird automation, for the originators not to use two single quotes in place of a single double quote character.
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Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:32 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Using screen revision, OCR and some luck...
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Hence the reason I emphasize that every effort should be made to choose the menu driven interface in the installer.

I need to see if the beta of 2021 I have will still install and see if there have been improvements in the installer and in the ribbon interface in this product.

But I cannot replicate any of the issues with any of the dialog boxes in the 2018 version of SoftMaker Free Office.  Since these are not really "a part of" any individual program, but are calls to Windows system functions, passing them the parameters like name of the program you want on the Save dialog, they should be the same pretty much across the board, even if other aspects of a given program were to be 100% inaccessible.

For those interested in how the various sorts of dialog boxes work, see:  

Dialog Boxes Overview - WPF .NET Framework | Microsoft Docs

 
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Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Rui Fontes
 

Using screen revision, OCR and some luck...

With screen revision find the first line. It have a kind of menus...

Move the mouse to there.

Press applications key...

It should have a first option to choose layout...

In that dialog, it is necessary gave two tabs, spacebar and then Alt+O...


I think I remembered every step...


Rui Fontes



Às 01:55 de 26/03/2021, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu:


how did you do that. i could not even find options to make any changes.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Correction!

Now I have managed to change to menu layout...

The menus are accesible.

Dialogs are not accessible!


Rui Fontes


Às 15:17 de 25/03/2021, Rui Fontes via groups.io escreveu:

Sorry...

I have installed the suite.

In first launching I have choosen Menu driven.

Program restarted and no accessibility at all...


I can't access the menus with Alt+F, Alt+E and so on.

I can't access the menus using object navegation...


Rui


Às 13:34 de 25/03/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:
Lanie,

          Here's the link to the main page (which includes a download button) for SoftMaker FreeOffice.  I am fairly certain that I discussed installing it either on the Chat Subgroup or Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group.  What's truly perversely funny is that everything in the setup is accessible except the screen where you choose menu versus ribbon driven interface.  And the interface is switchable in the programs themselves, but if you initially go with ribbon that makes even the switching a nightmare.  But it's easy enough to work through that screen once you know what it looks like just by tabbing a couple of times then hitting enter.  If you need me to look this up, please send me a private message.
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Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


how did you do that. i could not even find options to make any changes.

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Correction!

Now I have managed to change to menu layout...

The menus are accesible.

Dialogs are not accessible!


Rui Fontes


Às 15:17 de 25/03/2021, Rui Fontes via groups.io escreveu:

Sorry...

I have installed the suite.

In first launching I have choosen Menu driven.

Program restarted and no accessibility at all...


I can't access the menus with Alt+F, Alt+E and so on.

I can't access the menus using object navegation...


Rui


Às 13:34 de 25/03/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:
Lanie,

          Here's the link to the main page (which includes a download button) for SoftMaker FreeOffice.  I am fairly certain that I discussed installing it either on the Chat Subgroup or Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group.  What's truly perversely funny is that everything in the setup is accessible except the screen where you choose menu versus ribbon driven interface.  And the interface is switchable in the programs themselves, but if you initially go with ribbon that makes even the switching a nightmare.  But it's easy enough to work through that screen once you know what it looks like just by tabbing a couple of times then hitting enter.  If you need me to look this up, please send me a private message.
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Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


I got the same result

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Sorry...

I have installed the suite.

In first launching I have choosen Menu driven.

Program restarted and no accessibility at all...


I can't access the menus with Alt+F, Alt+E and so on.

I can't access the menus using object navegation...


Rui


Às 13:34 de 25/03/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:
Lanie,

          Here's the link to the main page (which includes a download button) for SoftMaker FreeOffice.  I am fairly certain that I discussed installing it either on the Chat Subgroup or Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group.  What's truly perversely funny is that everything in the setup is accessible except the screen where you choose menu versus ribbon driven interface.  And the interface is switchable in the programs themselves, but if you initially go with ribbon that makes even the switching a nightmare.  But it's easy enough to work through that screen once you know what it looks like just by tabbing a couple of times then hitting enter.  If you need me to look this up, please send me a private message.
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: OK, great regex and NVDA Dictionary Gurus

 

Tyler,

           Thanks.  Now that you mention this it is, to my embarrassment, bringing back the fact that Quentin Christensen once went through all this with me, in great detail.  He went to great lengths to do what you mention using several bizarre substitutions where what comes out at the end is utterly counterintuitive.

            I still find the fact that this process doesn't drop out upon a match being made strange, to say the least.  I would far rather have to think about ordering my regexes to get the result I want than having one doing a replacement, then having that replacement passed on to all subsequent dictionary entries (regex or not), lather, rinse, repeat.  It is just far too easy to induce a completely unexpected result and to have no idea of why.
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Re: OK, great regex and NVDA Dictionary Gurus

Tyler Spivey
 

On 3/25/2021 5:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I do believe I may have sorta solved my own problem, and I have probably asked this general question before:  Does NVDA dictionary processing "drop out" after a first match is made?
No. It just keeps going, with the replaced text.
So your first entry is conflicting with the second one.

To figure this out, I replaced 1 with 2, then 2 with 3. When I hit 1, it said 3.


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

 

Stuart,

           Thank you.  I would ask that you update the page (and now I'll be darned if I can remember what it is) that actually gives only the posting address and the link to the archives, and nothing else, when talking about LibreOffice and accessibility.

            It really shouldn't be up to the reader to guess the format for the subscription address.  In fact, that's the address I'd present there.  The message that comes back when you subscribe should include the other addresses for interacting, including the posting address.
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Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Where to put the TextMaker interface in english?

Tried the following:

Running NVDA with all add-ons disabled;

Running NVDA in english;

running the Com Reg Fixing tool


Nothing change...


Rui Fontes




Às 23:22 de 25/03/2021, Luke Davis escreveu:

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, Rui Fontes wrote:

When the dialog opens NVDA read the information, but when you press Tab nothing is read.
Rui

Is your language set to English? If not, can you try that and see what happens?

Although Brian's run without add-ons solution is more likely to help than changing language, it still might be good to know.

Also, try running the Com Reg Fixing tool before either of those.
I'm not sure how this particular software interacts with NVDA, so it may have no effect, but on the other hand it won't hurt anything.

Luke





Re: OK, great regex and NVDA Dictionary Gurus

 

Luke & Tyler,

Thanks to you both.  And before I start, I did use straight apostrophe/single quote, the key to the right of the semicolon on the keyboard.

I do believe I may have sorta solved my own problem, and I have probably asked this general question before:  Does NVDA dictionary processing "drop out" after a first match is made?

In earlier experiements for someone who wanted any lower or upper case letter followed by apostrophe read as {that letter} prime, I put in this Regex:
([a-zA-Z])'
with a replacement string of \1 prime.

This entry is several items above the one I asked about previously.

Now, why under OneCore David that would give the full word, prime, e.g., Gene prime, when I was using Gene, still remains a mystery.

But I'm now thinking that I'm experiencing is a match and drop out before the regex I think should match is ever hit.
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Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

V Stuart Foote
 

Brian,

I saw your subscribe request come into moderation, but I quashed it as it was the wrong format.

You instead need to send email to:

accessibility+subscribe@...

and not to the list itself.

Otherwise here is the Wiki for the full set of LibreOffice project and other Document Foundation efforts.

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/

Stuart


Re: OK, great regex and NVDA Dictionary Gurus

Luke Davis
 

Brian

Please confirm something.

In your regex, did you use the ASCII single quote character ('), or the actual quote character from the OP's message, which was unicode codepoint U+2032? (Represented, in HTML, as &prime;)

From your message here, it seems to be the ASCII apostrophe that you used, not the prime, which if true could be your problem.

To type the prime character on windows, use alt+2032.

Various information here:

https://www.google.com/search?ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&source=hp&q=html+character+entity+prime&btnG=Google+Search&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYF03wc4I2yJdrT0JaT__cBeLB4jkrVec&gbv=1

Luke


Re: problems to login in aws's console

Luke Davis
 

I am curious if Amazon accessibility support was able to get you past this one?
They can't, in the case of the Amazon Associates signup form, although they don't actually realize that they can't until you get to a higher level of support.

Luke

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021, Alexandre Alves Toco wrote:

While trying to login in my developer's account in aws, the page shows an image capcha and I couldn't find option to change it to an audio chalenge or something like that.


Re: OK, great regex and NVDA Dictionary Gurus

Tyler Spivey
 

I've never heard NVDA say prime. That must be something with your setup, or you're not sending it the characters you think you are.

I did the following:
1. Created a new NVDA config (Run, nvda -c c:\users\tyler\nvdatest).
2. Read ''chinchilla'' with the default OneCore. It just read chinchilla.
3. Same with espeak.
4. Added the dictionary entry you tried:
Pattern: ''(.*)''; Replacement: quote \1 quote; case: off; Type: Regular expression
Read that again with espeak, and it said quote chinchilla quote as expected.

On 3/25/2021 5:02 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a direct spin off of an earlier topic asking about how to get two single quotes, when used in place of a double quote, announced as quote.  Since the description is that the double single quote characters always surround another string, I used that entire configuration.
I have used these two regexes, and tested same using Python regex syntax on my favorite regex testing site:
''(.*)''         Single quote single quote left paren dot asterisk right paren single quote single quote
as well as the enumerated variant: '{2}(.*)'{2}
Both of these match any string I've tried that is preceded and followed by two single quotes successively.
The replacement string I've used, with either one of those, in the default dictionary:  quote \1 quote
It does not work.
If I have the string:
''chinchilla''
I hear chinchilla prime.
I know that synths can come into play, but I wouldn't think the synth should matter at all when my replacement should be:
quote chinchilla quote
What am I missing here?
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