a keyboard approach only to read and write math equations

Michael

Examples of equations using the keyboard only:

Agree with those you will communicate with how you want to express mathematical notation. There is no one right way to do fthis as long as you are all consistent.  The carrot symbol usually precedes an exponent. x^3 is x cubed.

y = LIM: x->5: f(x) means y = the limit as x approaches 5 of the funtction F(x).

y = (d2/dx) f(x) means y = the second derivative with respect to x of the  function f(x).

y = (d3/dx) f(x) means y = the third derivative with respect to x of the function f(x).

y = INT:{L5}:{U7}: f(x) dx

means y = the integral from lower bound 5 to  upper bound 7 of the function f(x) with respect to x.

In print books the lower bound is expressed as a subscript. The upper bound is expressed as a superscript. You may choose to do it this way.

y = INT: subscript 5 superscript 7 f(x) dx.

Exponents are also usually expressed as a supersscript.

Assume that you are sending what you write to a person capable of forgiving minor syntax errors rather than to a piece of software  which will not forgive minor errors.

A professor with several degrees in mathematics will understand immediately what you mean, and will probably suggest  improvements.

This is only a start. Don't ask your professor to learn Braille.  I recommend that you not put a piece of software between you and the person you are trying to communicate with. Such a piece of software will act  like a precompiler that your input has to satisfy before your message reaches your audience. Just a suggestion. Do what you want.

Once everybody has agreed to thses notations, you can write regular expressions to have what you write read as it would be spoken in a math class.

Good luck.

Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Louise Pfau

I tested several web-based manuals.  Most opened in Edge, but a few opened in another browser for some reason.  I used the shortcuts linked to the manuals in the program menus.  When I installed the beta of NVDA 2020.4 however, the NVDA user guide opened in Edge.  I think I might have mentioned that the issue was resolved in another post in this thread.

Thanks,

Louise

Re: Strange behaviour of Google Chrome

Gene

Cookies take up space on the hard drive but its minimal. They are tiny text files and you could have thousands of cookies and take very little room. At times, a cookie may cause a problem and need to be deleted. That may have been the case in this instance. I suspect in such cases, the cookie has somehow been corrupted, thus my discussion of backing up cookies so you can restore cookies and perhaps replace the corrupted one with one that isn't.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Pfau
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 1:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behaviour of Google Chrome

When I looked through the options of what to delete, it said that the
cookies were taking up space on the hard drive. The reason I deleted the
browsing data in the first place was because NVDA wasn't navigating the
banking page correctly.

Louise

Re: Strange behaviour of Google Chrome

Louise Pfau

When I looked through the options of what to delete, it said that the cookies were taking up space on the hard drive. The reason I deleted the browsing data in the first place was because NVDA wasn't navigating the banking page correctly.

Louise

Re: What are the accessible mathematics read and write solutions?

Bruno Aníbal Prieto González

I recommend using Pandoc to convert between different formats. If you
have a file, in Word or LaTeX format, you can convert it to html and
read it with the NVDA Access8Math add-on. If you want to produce math,
you can use Markdown, and formulas are entered between \$here goes the
formula\$, inside those dollar signs you must enter the formula in
LaTeX format. You can convert that to PDF, Word, HTML, etc.

2021-04-06 5:03 GMT-04:00, Sascha Cowley via groups.io
<sascha.camille=yahoo.com@groups.io>:

There is MathPlayer ( https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/ ) ,
which works with NVDA and Firefox to make some maths content accessible. It
also supposedly works with Microsoft Word, though I have personally never
managed to get this working.
With experimental UIA support enabled for Word, native equations in Word are
fairly accessible, or were when I tried it some months ago. I've also had a
inputting them. I have not worked with the Docs equation editor very much at
all, though, so I may have just been missing something.
Using LaTeX, or a similar (even ad hoc) plane text notation is often
successful. The advantage with LaTeX is that it produces nicely typeset
output. Unfortunately, it is extremely picky, and debugging output is often
not very helpful. Plus it's just a lot to learn.

Re: Pausing nvda...

Gene

I don't know if an add-on allows such things to be blocked. I just turn off speech, as has already been discussed. The shift command only pauses speech during read all or read to end or whatever its called. Control only stops current speech and won't affect announcements such as we are discussing.

However, at times, it may be useful to hear an announcement. Perhaps you might want to lower NVDA volume so you hear announcements but much more softly.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 4:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pausing nvda...

Hi

You can use the shift key to pause /resume speech when a “say all” command has been issued but I don’t think it will work to block message announcements during a Skype call.

Cheers

Chris

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From: Monte Single
Sent: 06 April 2021 01:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pausing nvda...

Hi List,

Maybe I've missed some posts on thisthread.

The simplest way to pause and resume nvda reading is to press the shift key,

like a toggle, off and on.

It works.

Cheers,

Monte

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis

Sent: April 5, 2021 6:03 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Pausing nvda...

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Brian Vogel wrote:

Is there another command that allows for NVDA output to be suspended,
entirely, while not requiring that one exit it? I could have sworn there

was, but perhaps not.

Another? As in: other than speech mode off, which does exactly that?

Or, do you mean a command that will do what speech mode off does, but also

globally disable keyboard intercept as sleep mode does for an application?

If you want that, I don't know of anything, but then I can't imagine why

Setting your speech synth to "No speech" will do something similar to speech

mode off, and I suppose you can do that with a profile, which you can't do

with sleep mode.

Luke

Re: Pausing nvda...

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías

Hi all.
Is possible that some installers have a message wile the process is runing, that says, for example, coping files to c:\program files\example or similar. So, is the installer have this mesages but a progress bar not is here, the speech mode on beep can make a sound that stop when the process is finished.
Regards.

Músico (pianista) y ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual en el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

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Re: Are there any extensions for LibreOffice?

Rui Fontes

Try contacting with:

Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>

Rui Fontes

Às 14:56 de 06/04/2021, Richard B. McDonald escreveu:

Hi Gigi!

Yes indeed, everything you say is correct.  No doubt, some collaboration between NVDA and LibreOffice (LO) seems necessary.

In fact, I am presently connected with a person in Germany who is involved with LO development and who has a keen interest in improving LO’s accessibility.  He has likewise noted that some sort of collaboration is needed.  My problem is that I do not have any contacts within NVDA to try to connect them with LO.  I have said to my LO contact that I am willing to volunteer to improve accessibility.  I just do not know how to go about it.

Do you know what I can do to foster this?

Thanks,

Richard

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gianluigi Coppelletti
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are there any extensions for LibreOffice?

Hi,

I'm afraid that there aren't any, but I really hope that the accessibility of LibreOffice with NVDA will be improved in the future, because more and more blind users are choosing this suite as this is a very good free alternative to MS-Office. Unfortunately this doesn't depend on the NVDA's developpers only.

Ciao.

Gigi

Il 01/04/2021 23.07, Richard B. McDonald ha scritto:

Hi!

I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2020.4 and LibreOffice 7.2.  Are there any extensions for NVDA that improve its accessibility with LibreOffice?  In particular, LibreOffice has a spreadsheet application, Calc, that has some material accessibility issues.

Thanks,

Richard

Re: Are there any extensions for LibreOffice?

Richard B. McDonald

Hi Gigi!

Yes indeed, everything you say is correct.  No doubt, some collaboration between NVDA and LibreOffice (LO) seems necessary.

In fact, I am presently connected with a person in Germany who is involved with LO development and who has a keen interest in improving LO’s accessibility.  He has likewise noted that some sort of collaboration is needed.  My problem is that I do not have any contacts within NVDA to try to connect them with LO.  I have said to my LO contact that I am willing to volunteer to improve accessibility.  I just do not know how to go about it.

Do you know what I can do to foster this?

Thanks,

Richard

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gianluigi Coppelletti
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are there any extensions for LibreOffice?

Hi,

I'm afraid that there aren't any, but I really hope that the accessibility of LibreOffice with NVDA will be improved in the future, because more and more blind users are choosing this suite as this is a very good free alternative to MS-Office. Unfortunately this doesn't depend on the NVDA's developpers only.

Ciao.

Gigi

Il 01/04/2021 23.07, Richard B. McDonald ha scritto:

Hi!

I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2020.4 and LibreOffice 7.2.  Are there any extensions for NVDA that improve its accessibility with LibreOffice?  In particular, LibreOffice has a spreadsheet application, Calc, that has some material accessibility issues.

Thanks,

Richard

Re: edit user guide

Microsoft documents, and well, each and every keyboard shortcut for virtually every product they make, and definitely for the Office suite programs.

These keyboard shortcuts, and all program-specific keyboard shortcuts, are not NVDA shortcuts and would have no place in the NVDA user guide, as they have nothing whatsoever to do with NVDA (or any screen reader, for that matter).
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Re: Working with MS-Excel

falkogiepmans@...

There is a nice video series on youtube by Teacher Ryan O. Unfortunately this is hearing based so I'm not sure if this is helpfull for you.

Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

falkogiepmans@...

Did you test it another web-based manual with the same extension? If it is a different kind of file the default program can be different as well.

edit user guide

falkogiepmans@...

Hi All,

I would like to include some windows key shortcuts for Excel in the user guide (like control+arrows to find data in a sheet). It occurred to me that a lot of people are not aware of this and look in the NVDA user guide thinking that is all.
How can I efficiently contribute to this? Should I make a pull-request on the github of NVDA?

Falko

Re: Pausing nvda...

Jarek.Krcmar

Nvda+S.If you press at first this hotkey, you stop the talking, if you press twice, Nvda will beef, if you press three, Nvda will talk.

Jarek

Dne 05.04.2021 v 14:20 Arun napsal(a):

What is the best way to pause nvda while I am on a skype call…

Arun

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Re: Pausing nvda...

Chris Mullins

Hi

You can use the shift key to pause /resume speech when a “say all” command has been issued but I don’t think it will work to block message announcements during a Skype call.

Cheers

Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Monte Single
Sent: 06 April 2021 01:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pausing nvda...

Hi List,

Maybe I've missed some posts on thisthread.

The simplest way to pause and resume nvda reading is to press the shift key,

like a toggle,  off and on.

It works.

Cheers,

Monte

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis

Sent: April 5, 2021 6:03 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Pausing nvda...

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Brian Vogel wrote:

> Is there another command that allows for NVDA output to be suspended,

entirely, while not requiring that one exit it?  I could have sworn there

was, but perhaps not.

Another? As in: other than speech mode off, which does exactly that?

Or, do you mean a command that will do what speech mode off does, but also

globally disable keyboard intercept as sleep mode does for an application?

If you want that, I don't know of anything, but then I can't imagine why

Setting your speech synth to "No speech" will do something similar to speech

mode off, and I suppose you can do that with a profile, which you can't do

with sleep mode.

Luke

Re: What are the accessible mathematics read and write solutions?

Sascha Cowley

There is MathPlayer, which works with NVDA and Firefox to make some maths content accessible. It also supposedly works with Microsoft Word, though I have personally never managed to get this working.
With experimental UIA support enabled for Word, native equations in Word are fairly accessible, or were when I tried it some months ago. I've also had a little success using equations in Google Docs, though I had trouble inputting them. I have not worked with the Docs equation editor very much at all, though, so I may have just been missing something.
Using LaTeX, or a similar (even ad hoc) plane text notation is often successful. The advantage with LaTeX is that it produces nicely typeset output. Unfortunately, it is extremely picky, and debugging output is often not very helpful. Plus it's just a lot to learn.

What are the accessible mathematics read and write solutions?

=?ISO-2022-JP?Q?=1B\$B9b=4082=22=1B=28J?=

Hi,

How do you write math equations to the sighted person with nvda?
Are there accessible methods for reading and writting mathematical meterials?

Re: NVDA21 incompatible with Code Factory’s Eloquence&Vocalizer voices?

zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz

Hi,

I wrote e-mail to the codefactory devs.

They will make appropriate changes as needed.

Best,

Zvonimir

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA21 incompatible with Code Factory’s Eloquence&Vocalizer voices?

Hello,

2021.1 is an add-on-breaking release. It is hoped that add-on authors will update their add-ons, but any information regarding specific add-ons will come from the authors of that add-on. I would suggest possibly reaching out to them, or asking on the add-ons list, although I would hope that additional information will be provided to this group regarding popular add-ons in time as well.

Thanks.

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:37 AM Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote:

What news do you guys have of NVDA2021’s incompatibility with version 1.9 of Code Factory’s Combo Eloquence&Vocalizer voices? I’ve a blind friend over at the Spanish NVDA group who is having this problem; he wants to try the Alfa versions of NVDA 2021.1 with the CF voices! the symth is recognized, but the voices don’t run. I wound’t want to run into unpleasant surprises upon updating! Thus if this it so, and because I know some of you guys here also have Code Factory’s Eloquence &Vocalizer combo, to be on the lookout for when the final NVDA version ie released. Any of you have have any ideas what’s going on?

Gera
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Re: Pausing nvda...

Monte Single

Hi List,

Maybe I've missed some posts on thisthread.
The simplest way to pause and resume nvda reading is to press the shift key,
like a toggle, off and on.
It works.

Cheers,

Monte

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: April 5, 2021 6:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pausing nvda...

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Brian Vogel wrote:

Is there another command that allows for NVDA output to be suspended,
entirely, while not requiring that one exit it?  I could have sworn there
was, but perhaps not.

Another? As in: other than speech mode off, which does exactly that?

Or, do you mean a command that will do what speech mode off does, but also
globally disable keyboard intercept as sleep mode does for an application?
If you want that, I don't know of anything, but then I can't imagine why

Setting your speech synth to "No speech" will do something similar to speech
mode off, and I suppose you can do that with a profile, which you can't do
with sleep mode.

Luke

Re: Pausing nvda...

Luke Davis

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Brian Vogel wrote:

Is there another command that allows for NVDA output to be suspended, entirely, while not requiring that one exit it?  I could have sworn there was, but perhaps not.
Another? As in: other than speech mode off, which does exactly that?

Or, do you mean a command that will do what speech mode off does, but also globally disable keyboard intercept as sleep mode does for an application? If you want that, I don't know of anything, but then I can't imagine why having that would be easier than unloading NVDA.

Setting your speech synth to "No speech" will do something similar to speech mode off, and I suppose you can do that with a profile, which you can't do with sleep mode.

Luke

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