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Re: PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

Jonathan COHN
 

This would not be a Adobe issue. That being said, I am not sure what the correct solution is as I do very little document remediation. Usually, tables are labeled with Captions in HTML, and I believe PDF. I don't know if that is an option in Word. If you are running Word 2016 or newer, there should be a accessibility checker in the same approximate area as the spell checker in the ribbons. My apologies for not being able to be more precise in this message. Perhaps that can give you guidance.


On Apr 16, 2021, at 12:46, Sandra Pilz <sandra914481@...> wrote:

Hello,


I have written a Word Document which has a table. In the table properties, I have added an alternative text and a description of the table. When I read the table in Word, NVDA will read the alternative text as well as the description. When I export the document to PDF, NVDA will neither read the alternative text nor the description. Is this because NVDA doesn't support this in Adobe DC, or is it that Word doesn't include the alternative text and table description?


The same is true for tables created in PowerPoint, when the files are exported to PDF.


Regards


Sandra



locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Russell James
 

Brian, thank you, you answered before I could ask!  Russ


On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 1:20 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

What follows discusses creating a bug report issue in GitHub for NVDA, but as far as the process goes it's pretty much precisely the same except that you create a Feature Request rather than a bug report.  Even the steps leading up to that, as far as searching GitHub to determine if there may already be an issue, whether bug report or feature request, that's the same as what you are intending to submit are applicable.

You'd pick up in the first tutorial right around, "If you do not find an issue that matches yours, then you move on to creating a new issue using the New Issue button.  If you activate the New Issue button, you begin the sequence by selecting the Get Started button either for a Bug Report or Feature Request."  Then you'd go through creating a Feature Request, which is not documented in that tutorial as that was not its focus.

Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA

Creating a Github Account

MS-Word Fillable Form for an NVDA Bug Report Including Pre and Post Filling-Out Instructions

MS-Word Fillable Form for an NVDA Bug Report Including Only Post Filling-Out Instructions

How to Unprotect a Completed Fillable Word Form so the Entire Document Can Be Copied

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Re: Find On Page

Chris Smart
 

are you using CTRL+F or NVDA+CTRL+F? I always use the latter and it seems to work fine.



On 2021-04-16 1:16 p.m., Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Regardless of whether it is interfering with the app or not the thing is that it has never worked right, for me or anyone I've seen try to use it.
It should just take you to what you are looking for on the page.
To me, that is what has kept NVDA from being a very useful tool in the tool box, although it is always there, I seldom go for NVDA, because I use the find on page many times a day.
I think more folks should use it on web pages, but most people don't use web pages as much, and as proficiently as they should.
Glenn


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

 

What follows discusses creating a bug report issue in GitHub for NVDA, but as far as the process goes it's pretty much precisely the same except that you create a Feature Request rather than a bug report.  Even the steps leading up to that, as far as searching GitHub to determine if there may already be an issue, whether bug report or feature request, that's the same as what you are intending to submit are applicable.

You'd pick up in the first tutorial right around, "If you do not find an issue that matches yours, then you move on to creating a new issue using the New Issue button.  If you activate the New Issue button, you begin the sequence by selecting the Get Started button either for a Bug Report or Feature Request."  Then you'd go through creating a Feature Request, which is not documented in that tutorial as that was not its focus.

Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA

Creating a Github Account

MS-Word Fillable Form for an NVDA Bug Report Including Pre and Post Filling-Out Instructions

MS-Word Fillable Form for an NVDA Bug Report Including Only Post Filling-Out Instructions

How to Unprotect a Completed Fillable Word Form so the Entire Document Can Be Copied

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locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Chris Smart
 

and, it's fun when several progress bars take off very quickly, one after another after another.



On 2021-04-16 1:16 p.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 01:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
I use beeps as a progress indicator
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So far, everyone who's expressed that they use it seems to use it in precisely this way, as far as progress monitoring.  It's a lot less intrusive than constant blabbering when all you want to know is whether something's finished yet or not.
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Re: Find On Page

Glenn / Lenny
 

Regardless of whether it is interfering with the app or not the thing is that it has never worked right, for me or anyone I've seen try to use it.
It should just take you to what you are looking for on the page.
To me, that is what has kept NVDA from being a very useful tool in the tool box, although it is always there, I seldom go for NVDA, because I use the find on page many times a day.
I think more folks should use it on web pages, but most people don't use web pages as much, and as proficiently as they should.
Glenn


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

 

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 01:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
I use beeps as a progress indicator
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So far, everyone who's expressed that they use it seems to use it in precisely this way, as far as progress monitoring.  It's a lot less intrusive than constant blabbering when all you want to know is whether something's finished yet or not.
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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

 

Hi,

I use beeps as a progress indicator when monitoring NVDA source code compilation.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

 

Suggestions can be submitted through GitHub for improvements to or feature requests for NVDA.

That being said, your issue is already solved, and has been for a very long time, by the NoBeepsSpeechMode Add-On.

Every NVDA user needs to look at the Official NVDA Add-Ons Page to see if an add-on might happen to exist that addresses a legitimate desire like this one.  But there are people who use beeps speech mode (and that wouldn't be me) and it needs to be an option as part of the core functionality.  An add-on can eliminate it for those who, like both of us, don't use it.
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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

 

Suggestions can be submitted through GitHub for improvements to or feature requests for NVDA.

That being said, your issue is already solved, and has been for a very long time, by the NoBeepsSpeechMode Add-On.

Every NVDA user needs to look at the Official NVDA Add-Ons Page to see if an add-on might happen to exist that addresses a legitimate desire like this one.  But there are people who use beeps speech mode (and that wouldn't be me) and it needs to be an option as part of the core functionality.  An add-on can eliminate it for those who, like both of us, don't use it.
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       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Sarah k Alawami
 

There is an add on that will already do this. Next time though submit your stuff in github. You will get a lot of us who can comment and modify code, I am not one of those who can code though.

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On 16 Apr 2021, at 10:06, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:

Dear all,

 

Where should small suggestions for changes or improvements to NVDA be sent?

 

For example, here is one:

 

Right now the command NVDA+S will switch from speech mode talk to speech mode off, to speech mode beeps, and then back.

 

I have no idea why or who uses speech mode beeps, but I suspect it is much less used than the two other modes. It is not just much more rare to need the beeps, but it is also very important to have a quick and easy toggle to turn speech on and off.

 

My suggestion is to have NVDA+S toggle between speech mode talk and speech mode off. And have the speech mode beeps be toggled on and off with a triple press of NVDA+S.

 

Thanks,

 

Fernando

 


locked Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Fernando Henrique Botelho
 

Dear all,

 

Where should small suggestions for changes or improvements to NVDA be sent?

 

For example, here is one:

 

Right now the command NVDA+S will switch from speech mode talk to speech mode off, to speech mode beeps, and then back.

 

I have no idea why or who uses speech mode beeps, but I suspect it is much less used than the two other modes. It is not just much more rare to need the beeps, but it is also very important to have a quick and easy toggle to turn speech on and off.

 

My suggestion is to have NVDA+S toggle between speech mode talk and speech mode off. And have the speech mode beeps be toggled on and off with a triple press of NVDA+S.

 

Thanks,

 

Fernando

 


Re: PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

 

I'd suspect this is because Microsoft doesn't export that information when converting to PDF.

There are scads of other converstion to PDF options, my favorite being PDFCreator.  I'd advise trying a couple of different ways of creating the PDF from an MS-Word file and see if any of them result in that information being carried over.

PDFs definitely have the capability of having this sort of information embedded if memory serves, so if it's there in an original in another format and missing from a converted-to-PDF document I'd suspect the conversion process.
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PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

Sandra Pilz
 

Hello,


I have written a Word Document which has a table. In the table properties, I have added an alternative text and a description of the table. When I read the table in Word, NVDA will read the alternative text as well as the description. When I export the document to PDF, NVDA will neither read the alternative text nor the description. Is this because NVDA doesn't support this in Adobe DC, or is it that Word doesn't include the alternative text and table description?


The same is true for tables created in PowerPoint, when the files are exported to PDF.


Regards


Sandra


PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

Sandra Pilz
 

Hi,


I use Office 365. When I open a presentation and activate presentation mode pressing F5, NVDA will not recognise tables, headings and so on where JAWS does. It would be helpful if I could read tables with NVDA in Presentation Mode, is this possible at all?


Regards


Sandra


Re: NVDA Speech Dict: Match pattern after line of certain pattern

 

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 07:28 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
you can see that each line is handled, and therefore processed, separately.
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And this really makes sense, given the overall context.

You can definitely use regular expressions outside of a screen reader to "look across lines," but even that's kind of rare.  I'd still love to know what the original data set really is and what the goal is, but that would definitely be outside the scope of the NVDA Group.  Further discussion of that nature is definitely Chat Subgroup territory.
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Re: Can NVDA monitor a set area of the screen?

Gene
 

Also, I haven't used JAWS for years. I don't know if the focus problem is a general one or a problem with your system. And NVDA doesn't have a screen echo setting, as JAWS does. That is, you can't change screen echo from highlighted, the default, to all or none. This may not matter to most users but it may to some.

In short, I very much llike NVDA and it is very important that a good free Windows screen-reader be available to blind people. NVDA will meet the needs of a lot of users well but as with any screen-reader, there are things it doesn't do or do as well as another and other screen-readers shouldn't be just written off as possibilities for users to consider.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:56 AM
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA monitor a set area of the screen?

I was a long time window-eyes user, now using jaws which is a very
bloated program.
In both of these programs one could set up a window around a portion of
the screen and read it with a hot key.
can this be done with nvda?
I have only just downloaded nvda to try it, and find it very snappy.
it does'nt lose focus like jaws!

Cheers Robin.
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Re: Can NVDA monitor a set area of the screen?

Gene
 

You can't do it in NVDA. If that is required, you will have to use another sscreen-reader. If you want to try to find someone to create an NVDA script for a specifric program or programs, you may be able to do that.

And I don't think JAWS is particularly bloated if you don't have the OCR section installed, and whether that is bloat depends on whether you intend to use it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:56 AM
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA monitor a set area of the screen?

I was a long time window-eyes user, now using jaws which is a very
bloated program.
In both of these programs one could set up a window around a portion of
the screen and read it with a hot key.
can this be done with nvda?
I have only just downloaded nvda to try it, and find it very snappy.
it does'nt lose focus like jaws!

Cheers Robin.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Email Sent using, "Becky!" Internet Mail Client version 2.75 [en].
Email: bob.wrj@ntlworld.com


Can NVDA monitor a set area of the screen?

Robin
 

I was a long time window-eyes user, now using jaws which is a very
bloated program.
In both of these programs one could set up a window around a portion of
the screen and read it with a hot key.
can this be done with nvda?
I have only just downloaded nvda to try it, and find it very snappy.
it does'nt lose focus like jaws!

Cheers Robin.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Email Sent using, "Becky!" Internet Mail Client version 2.75 [en].
Email: bob.wrj@ntlworld.com


Re: Find On Page

Luke Davis
 

Steve Nutt wrote:

No, because people may want to use the browser find function for their own reasons.
Can you speculate what one of those reasons might be? Since in speech and braille its results can not, afaik, be accessed?

I like Joseph, don't believe in blocking app specific functions with a screen reader.
Well, I've already made my argument about browse mode effectively not being the browser, which is why in this rare case, I don't agree with that view. I won't rehash that.

Luke


Re: NVDA Speech Dict: Match pattern after line of certain pattern

William
 

Ok understood, thanks.

Luke Davis 於 16/4/2021 7:28 寫道:

William wrote:

If I want to configure NVDA speech dict to match pattern that occur after certain patter of line, is it possible?
No.

While regular expressions are capable of this, NVDA is not, because of how it processes dictionaries.

I wrote a test file:

test1
test2
test3

And did a say-all on it.
This, from the log, is how NVDA processes that event:

Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+downArrow
Speaking [CallbackCommand(name=say-all:lineReached), 'test1\r\n', CallbackCommand(name=say-all:lineReached), 'test2\r\n', CallbackCommand(name=say-all:lineReached), 'test3\r\n', CallbackCommand(name=say-all:lineReached)]

Ignoring the stuff not in single quotes, you can see that each line is handled, and therefore processed, separately.
It is little different than using your arrow key to read the text line by line.

You could commission someone to write an add-on for you to do this if you really need it, but NVDA can't do it by default.

Luke

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