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Running the NVDA COM Registration Fixing Tool

 

To run the COM Registration Fixing Tool, and this presumes NVDA is already up and running:
1. Hit NVDA+N,T,R
2. Hit Enter.  You will then get the Warning dialog that you are about to run the tool and it makes registry changes, with Yes and No buttons, with Yes as default.  You will, of course, choose Yes.
3. The COM Registration Fixing Tool begins, and then you will get a User Account Control (UAC) dialog asking if you want NVDA to make changes to your machine, to which you'll answer in the affirmative.
4. The tool runs and pops-up a dialog noting it's complete, which you must dismiss afterward.
5. I exit NVDA and start it again, though this is not strictly necessary.
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locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Chris Smart
 

ah ok, sorry about that Rui.

On 2021-04-17 7:17 p.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Chris, you are talking about:

Progress bar output
Key: NVDA+u

This option controls how NVDA reports progress bar updates to you.

It has the following options:
- Off: Progress bars will not be reported as they change.
- Speak: This option tells NVDA to speak the progress bar in percentages. Each time the progress bar changes, NVDA will speak the new value.
- Beep: This tells NVDA to beep each time the progress bar changes. The higher the beep, the closer the progress bar is to completion.
- Beep and speak: This option tells NVDA to both beep and speak when a progress bar updates.
-

We are talking about:

Toggle Speech Mode

NVDA+s

Toggles speech mode between speech, beeps and off. |


Rui Fontes

Às 23:24 de 17/04/2021, Chris Smart escreveu:
to hear progress bars audibly, not involving numbers and percentages.



On 2021-04-17 5:52 p.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
With what purpose, if I may ask?


Rui Fontes


Às 22:41 de 17/04/2021, Chris Smart escreveu:

On 2021-04-17 5:39 p.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Sorry, but except maybe some sighted developers, who use beeps?
I do sometimes.













locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Rui Fontes
 

Chris, you are talking about:

Progress bar output
Key: NVDA+u

This option controls how NVDA reports progress bar updates to you.

It has the following options:
- Off: Progress bars will not be reported as they change.
- Speak: This option tells NVDA to speak the progress bar in percentages. Each time the progress bar changes, NVDA will speak the new value.
- Beep: This tells NVDA to beep each time the progress bar changes. The higher the beep, the closer the progress bar is to completion.
- Beep and speak: This option tells NVDA to both beep and speak when a progress bar updates.
-

We are talking about:

Toggle Speech Mode

NVDA+s

Toggles speech mode between speech, beeps and off. |


Rui Fontes

Às 23:24 de 17/04/2021, Chris Smart escreveu:

to hear progress bars audibly, not involving numbers and percentages.



On 2021-04-17 5:52 p.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
With what purpose, if I may ask?


Rui Fontes


Às 22:41 de 17/04/2021, Chris Smart escreveu:

On 2021-04-17 5:39 p.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Sorry, but except maybe some sighted developers, who use beeps?
I do sometimes.










locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Luke Davis
 

Responding to David's comments:
Personally I don't care either way. But if something is ever to be done about it, I would prefer the checkbox to disable in settings option, rather than the odd change in behavior that is being discussed.

I will say, however, that when doing a lot of work (editing audio comes to mind) that involves turning speech off and on many dozens of times in a session, it is surprisingly easy to accidentally press the sequence only once and end up in beeps mode unexpectedly. Something about muscle memory.
I still would not like to lose the feature though, as in other use cases it is as useful as silence can be.

That is why, if anything is done, I would prefer the settings checkbox option. Much more convenient to change than disabling and re-enabling the add-on.

Rui, as we talked about on this list last week in another thread: personally I use it to know that things are happening without being bothered by speech.
For example, as a compiler runs, it spits out maybe thousands of messages that I don't care about. Still, I need to know when they stop coming.
If I am encoding a file (MP3, MP4, etc.), it can be good to know that something is still happening, and I don't have to pay attention to that computer until it's done.

I use percentages for progress bars, and when i want to know about progress bars that is better than the harsh ascending beeps of NVDA's progress bar beep mode. But when I don't care about percentage, and just want to know when it's done, beeps speech mode is helpful.

Luke


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

 

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 05:39 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Sorry, but except maybe some sighted developers, who use beeps?
-
Er, no.  If you can find me sighted developers outside the world of assistive technology, and screen readers in particular, who even know what a screen reader is then we can talk.

Sighted developers can turn off sound entirely and glance at the screen to check progress.
 
--

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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Chris Smart
 

to hear progress bars audibly, not involving numbers and percentages.

On 2021-04-17 5:52 p.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
With what purpose, if I may ask?


Rui Fontes


Às 22:41 de 17/04/2021, Chris Smart escreveu:

On 2021-04-17 5:39 p.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Sorry, but except maybe some sighted developers, who use beeps?
I do sometimes.







Re: NVDA and Freedom Scientifi Focus 40

Viny
 

Yes. I tried Braille device on Automatic, on Freedom Scientific (bluetooth and Automatic). Nothing changed.

Le 18/04/2021 à 00:19, Rui Fontes a écrit :
Have you tried to press NVDA+Control+A and press Enter in Automatic?


With my HelpTech Basic Braille Plus work...


Rui Fontes


Às 22:49 de 17/04/2021, John J. Boyer escreveu:
Hello,

I have the same problem. Until about three years ago I could turn off the Focus 40 and then when I turned it on again It would work immediately with Bluetooth.
Then Microsoft did something that caused this problem. My computer tech tried to fix it, but nothing he did worked.

Hopefully someone will have a solution.

John

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 07:59:50PM +0200, Viny wrote:
Hi, Everyone,

I have NVDA 2020.4, Windows 10 and a braille display Focus 40 4th generation
of Freedom Scientific.

Each times I switch of the braille dispay and start it after, i must restart
nvda for the braille display works again. The Focus 40 is connect by
bluetooth. This is a problem for me because I am not always near to the
computter.

Could it possible to do something to solve that? Isn't there a parameter to
change in the properties dialog of the bluetooth serial port?

Thanks for answers.









Re: NVDA and Freedom Scientifi Focus 40

Rui Fontes
 

Have you tried to press NVDA+Control+A and press Enter in Automatic?


With my HelpTech Basic Braille Plus work...


Rui Fontes


Às 22:49 de 17/04/2021, John J. Boyer escreveu:

Hello,

I have the same problem. Until about three years ago I could turn off the Focus 40 and then when I turned it on again It would work immediately with Bluetooth.
Then Microsoft did something that caused this problem. My computer tech tried to fix it, but nothing he did worked.

Hopefully someone will have a solution.

John

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 07:59:50PM +0200, Viny wrote:
Hi, Everyone,

I have NVDA 2020.4, Windows 10 and a braille display Focus 40 4th generation
of Freedom Scientific.

Each times I switch of the braille dispay and start it after, i must restart
nvda for the braille display works again. The Focus 40 is connect by
bluetooth. This is a problem for me because I am not always near to the
computter.

Could it possible to do something to solve that? Isn't there a parameter to
change in the properties dialog of the bluetooth serial port?

Thanks for answers.







Re: NVDA and Freedom Scientifi Focus 40

Viny
 

John,

I have an Acer too. Brought in 2017.

I don't think the ploblem is caused by microsoit but by the bluetooth materiel.

Le 17/04/2021 à 23:52, John J. Boyer a écrit :
P.S. What brand and model of computer are you using. It may be machine-specific. I have an Acer 3.

John

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 07:59:50PM +0200, Viny wrote:
Hi, Everyone,

I have NVDA 2020.4, Windows 10 and a braille display Focus 40 4th generation
of Freedom Scientific.

Each times I switch of the braille dispay and start it after, i must restart
nvda for the braille display works again. The Focus 40 is connect by
bluetooth. This is a problem for me because I am not always near to the
computter.

Could it possible to do something to solve that? Isn't there a parameter to
change in the properties dialog of the bluetooth serial port?

Thanks for answers.







Re: NVDA and Freedom Scientifi Focus 40

John J. Boyer
 

P.S. What brand and model of computer are you using. It may be machine-specific. I have an Acer 3.

John

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 07:59:50PM +0200, Viny wrote:
Hi, Everyone,

I have NVDA 2020.4, Windows 10 and a braille display Focus 40 4th generation
of Freedom Scientific.

Each times I switch of the braille dispay and start it after, i must restart
nvda for the braille display works again. The Focus 40 is connect by
bluetooth. This is a problem for me because I am not always near to the
computter.

Could it possible to do something to solve that? Isn't there a parameter to
change in the properties dialog of the bluetooth serial port?

Thanks for answers.






--
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Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Rui Fontes
 

With what purpose, if I may ask?


Rui Fontes


Às 22:41 de 17/04/2021, Chris Smart escreveu:


On 2021-04-17 5:39 p.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Sorry, but except maybe some sighted developers, who use beeps?
I do sometimes.




Re: NVDA and Freedom Scientifi Focus 40

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

I have the same problem. Until about three years ago I could turn off the Focus 40 and then when I turned it on again It would work immediately with Bluetooth.
Then Microsoft did something that caused this problem. My computer tech tried to fix it, but nothing he did worked.

Hopefully someone will have a solution.

John

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 07:59:50PM +0200, Viny wrote:
Hi, Everyone,

I have NVDA 2020.4, Windows 10 and a braille display Focus 40 4th generation
of Freedom Scientific.

Each times I switch of the braille dispay and start it after, i must restart
nvda for the braille display works again. The Focus 40 is connect by
bluetooth. This is a problem for me because I am not always near to the
computter.

Could it possible to do something to solve that? Isn't there a parameter to
change in the properties dialog of the bluetooth serial port?

Thanks for answers.






--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Chris Smart
 

On 2021-04-17 5:39 p.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Sorry, but except maybe some sighted developers, who use beeps?
I do sometimes.


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry, but except maybe some sighted developers, who use beeps?


Remember we are talking about:

Toggle Speech Mode

NVDA+s

Toggles speech mode between speech, beeps and off. |


Rui Fontes



Às 22:24 de 17/04/2021, David Goldfield escreveu:

I honestly can't believe this is that big of a deal. Since some people value the setting of having beeps and as we do have an addon to block the setting from being shown may I ask why on earth this is even a thing? Those who like the feature obviously have a use for it. Those who don't need it can simply ignore it or installing an addon. I realize I can easily suppress this thread and I may well do so but is this really all that important? There are many screen reader features that I personally don't need or use. I ignore them. Can't others just do the same and get on with bigger issues?


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

I think a more reasonable solution to this would be to include a checkbox somewhere in NVDA settings, called "disable beeps speech mode".
In other words: make the current add-on part of core, behind a checkbox, maybe in advanced.

Related issue:
Changing the pitch of the beeps: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F9308&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C0cf0165ba34d458882b408d901e5056a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637542905410273245%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=l6K9hkP%2FWg%2BJvWrI1udpmoJtxY28GuOvro%2BCRhRyse4%3D&amp;reserved=0

Luke

Andre Fisher wrote:

Once for off, once for on. Twice for beeps, once for on. It's quite
simple. A maajority of the NVDA users out there don't use beeps, so
pressing twice for beeps would not rattle any new users out there. However, having to press once for off, then twice to turn it back on would certainly turn off new users to the screen reader, who may not know about add-ons and where to find them, or those who may not even be able to install add-ons in certain environments.







locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

David Goldfield
 

I honestly can't believe this is that big of a deal. Since some people value the setting of having beeps and as we do have an addon to block the setting from being shown may I ask why on earth this is even a thing? Those who like the feature obviously have a use for it. Those who don't need it can simply ignore it or installing an addon. I realize I can easily suppress this thread and I may well do so but is this really all that important? There are many screen reader features that I personally don't need or use. I ignore them. Can't others just do the same and get on with bigger issues?


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.
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www.DavidGoldfield.org

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

I think a more reasonable solution to this would be to include a checkbox somewhere in NVDA settings, called "disable beeps speech mode".
In other words: make the current add-on part of core, behind a checkbox, maybe in advanced.

Related issue:
Changing the pitch of the beeps: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F9308&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C0cf0165ba34d458882b408d901e5056a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637542905410273245%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=l6K9hkP%2FWg%2BJvWrI1udpmoJtxY28GuOvro%2BCRhRyse4%3D&amp;reserved=0

Luke

Andre Fisher wrote:

Once for off, once for on. Twice for beeps, once for on. It's quite
simple. A maajority of the NVDA users out there don't use beeps, so
pressing twice for beeps would not rattle any new users out there. However, having to press once for off, then twice to turn it back on would certainly turn off new users to the screen reader, who may not know about add-ons and where to find them, or those who may not even be able to install add-ons in certain environments.


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Luke Davis
 

I think a more reasonable solution to this would be to include a checkbox somewhere in NVDA settings, called "disable beeps speech mode".
In other words: make the current add-on part of core, behind a checkbox, maybe in advanced.

Related issue:
Changing the pitch of the beeps: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9308

Luke

Andre Fisher wrote:

Once for off, once for on. Twice for beeps, once for on. It's quite simple. A maajority of the NVDA users out there don't use beeps, so pressing twice for
beeps would not rattle any new users out there. However, having to press once for off, then twice to turn it back on would certainly turn off new users to
the screen reader, who may not know about add-ons and where to find them, or those who may not even be able to install add-ons in certain environments.


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Gene
 

You don't understand my point. those who routinely now press once for off, then twice for on, will issue the wrong command if the interface changes and turn on beeps. Unless they know about the change, they will not have speech and may believe there is something wrong.

and people aren't going to be turned off by the current way the interface works. this is a very minor change which would increase convenience in a very minor way for some users.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

No.

Once for off, once for on. Twice for beeps, once for on. It's quite simple. A maajority of the NVDA users out there don't use beeps, so pressing twice for beeps would not rattle any new users out there. However, having to press once for off, then twice to turn it back on would certainly turn off new users to the screen reader, who may not know about add-ons and where to find them, or those who may not even be able to install add-ons in certain environments.

Again, look at screen curtain implementation to see what I mean.


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Andre Fisher
 

No.

Once for off, once for on. Twice for beeps, once for on. It's quite simple. A maajority of the NVDA users out there don't use beeps, so pressing twice for beeps would not rattle any new users out there. However, having to press once for off, then twice to turn it back on would certainly turn off new users to the screen reader, who may not know about add-ons and where to find them, or those who may not even be able to install add-ons in certain environments.

Again, look at screen curtain implementation to see what I mean.


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Gene
 

I think this is overmanagement. Why is it so difficult to press once for off, then twice for on. This is suchh an insignificant chhange that I see no reason to change it in the core.

And your suggestion may confuse current users, many of whom will probably not read the What's New section where the change is described and won't see information about it in other ways. A lot of those who are used to the current interface might press s twice to turn speech on only to have no speech, but beeps and have no idea why. I can imagine all the messages to the list and to other support places asking why there is no speech and what to do about it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 2:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Hi.

I believe Fernando is on to something here, though. Despite this functionality being in an add-on that is currently stable, I feel like natively NVDA can include a change based on his suggestion. After all, add-ons are created because of a desire by users, and I feel this is longed after by many, including myself. The fact that screen curtain, focus highlight and Windows 10 app support and changes were once add-ons, and are now part of the core of NVDA, says a lot about the possibilities they possess.

Now, I can see this working similarly to the current screen curtain implementation. When the gesture is pressed once, NVDA speech can be toggled to off. If pressed twice quickly, however, NVDA speech can be set to beeps. To turn back on NVDA's speech, just press the gesture once when it is either set to beeps or off.

I honestly think this would be even better than what we have now, as sometimes cycling to the different speech modes can be confusing, especially for someone who may want beeps and is a new NVDA user.

Any thoughts?


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

I believe Fernando is on to something here, though. Despite this functionality being in an add-on that is currently stable, I feel like natively NVDA can include a change based on his suggestion. After all, add-ons are created because of a desire by users, and I feel this is longed after by many, including myself. The fact that screen curtain, focus highlight and Windows 10 app support and changes were once add-ons, and are now part of the core of NVDA, says a lot about the possibilities they possess.

Now, I can see this working similarly to the current screen curtain implementation. When the gesture is pressed once, NVDA speech can be toggled to off. If pressed twice quickly, however, NVDA speech can be set to beeps. To turn back on NVDA's speech, just press the gesture once when it is either set to beeps or off.

I honestly think this would be even better than what we have now, as sometimes cycling to the different speech modes can be confusing, especially for someone who may want beeps and is a new NVDA user.

Any thoughts?

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