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Re: Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

Luke Davis
 

Rowen Cary wrote:

Thanks to everyone who participated in the reply. I actually want to know what considerations are in the development level. My friends and I need such a
function.
If you do make something that announces time to the second, make sure that the seconds announcement is generated just before speaking.

In sudocode, I mean:

fetch hours, minutes
speak hours
speak colon
speak minutes
speak colon
fetch seconds
speak seconds

Luke


Re: Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

Rowen Cary
 

Thanks to everyone who participated in the reply. I actually want to know what considerations are in the development level. My friends and I need such a function. I also developed an add-on with a similar function.

Thanks.


Alinement announcement, spelling error and shortcut for layout announcement.

farhan israk
 

I am using Microsoft powerpoint 2016 and latest nvda. Nbda does not announce left aline or right eline after pressing nvda + f. I don't get sound during typing misspelled word. If you add shortcut for layout announcement, it would be helpful for us.


Re: PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

Eilana Benish
 

I also use JAWS as secondary screen reader

but JAWS does not read headings on my presentation. and I have title place Holder shape in each slide.

Also it seems that JAWS reads bulleted text as  graphics

Both NVDA and JAWS should recognize when the object is a shape with text in that shape, and when it is a picture…

And sometimes when I am moving with down arrow between slides in edit mode JAWS announces with each slide  the slide number and then the words know selection.

Come to think of it there are more issues regarding PowerPoint and I hope that JAWS and NVDA will improve the user experience in Microsoft PowerPoint.




‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 20 באפר׳ 2021 ב-23:02 מאת <‪benmoxey@...‬‏>:‬

Hi Sandra

 

I’m pretty sure this is a current limitation. Happy to be corrected. *smile*

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

 

Hi,

 

I use Office 365. When I open a presentation and activate presentation mode pressing F5, NVDA will not recognise tables, headings and so on where JAWS does. It would be helpful if I could read tables with NVDA in Presentation Mode, is this possible at all?

 

Regards

 

Sandra



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Re: PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

benmoxey@...
 

Hi Sandra

 

I’m pretty sure this is a current limitation. Happy to be corrected. *smile*

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

 

Hi,

 

I use Office 365. When I open a presentation and activate presentation mode pressing F5, NVDA will not recognise tables, headings and so on where JAWS does. It would be helpful if I could read tables with NVDA in Presentation Mode, is this possible at all?

 

Regards

 

Sandra


Re: PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

benmoxey@...
 

Hi Sandra

 

I got in touch with a sighted friend who specialises in accessible PDFs. Interestingly, the table alt text is exporting from Word (she can see it in the PDF document), but none of the screen readers are picking it up. It does appear to be a current limitation.

 

If you end up calling Microsoft, would be interested to hear what they say. 😊

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2021 6:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

 

Hi Ben,

 

Thank you for checking this again. Until you said it worked for you, I also thought that the table alt text and the description might not be included in the PDF export. Now I know I can stop looking for what might be wrong on my side. :)

 

Still, it would be interesting to know if it is that he tags are not included in the PDF or if NVDA just doesn't support this in pdf...

 

Also thank you for your suggestions for a workaround.

 

By the way, I'm also dealing with PowerPoint documents where alt text for tables also either is not exported to PDF or doesn't work with NVDA. Maybe, just out of curiosity, I'll contact Microsoft about it just to see if they aware of this.

 

Thanks again.

 

Regards

 

 

Sandra

 

 

Am 18.04.2021 um 06:44 schrieb benmoxey@...:

Hi Sandra

 

I’m really sorry. I just read your reply and checked again.

 

What I didn’t notice during my quick look yesterday is that my Adobe Acrobat Reader DC 64 was immediately crashing when I opened the PDF I’d just created and I was being placed back in the Word document. Therefore, I was hearing the table title and long description, but I was back in Word. Please excuse me.

 

I haven’t been able to review the issue today because I can’t get my Acrobat Reader DC 64 to run while NVDA or Narrator is running. I’ve tried on two machines.

 

Interested to know if anyone else has any feedback or suggestions. However, if you have the accessibility tags checked, I’ll bet it’s an export limitation.

 

As an effective work-around, you could place the table title above the table using the appropriate heading level. This will enable easy navigation and a clear indication of the information that follows. If a long description is require to ensure the user will understand the table, place this in-between the heading and the table. That way, you can be sure it will be easily accessible for everyone.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

 

Hi Ben,

 

Thanks for checking this for me.

 

However, I do have the accessibility tags option checked. I have updated both Office and Acrobat Reader DC. I am also using Office 365

 

I have now opened the exported PDF in Word again to see if word would still show the alt text and the table description. It didn't. It didn't even show the heading of the document, this is the main heading not a header of the table. However, the heading was present in Acrobat Reader, so I don't really understand what's going on here...

 

Do you have any idea what else I might check?

 

Thank you.

 

Regards

 

Sandra

Am 16.04.2021 um 22:37 schrieb benmoxey@...:

Hi Sandra

 

I just tested this and the alt text title and long description for the table are present in the PDF.

 

In the export options, ensure “Document structure tags for accessibility” is checked. Note that I am using Microsoft 365, so the tags added to the PDF may have been enhanced since 2016.

 

Regarding the long description, if this information is essential for the user to understand the table’s contents, I recommend including it in the main body of the document, above the table. Many screen reader users will not know how to access the long description, so this approach ensures the information is easy to find.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 2:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PDF: Alternive Text and Desciption of tables

 

Hello,

 

I have written a Word Document which has a table. In the table properties, I have added an alternative text and a description of the table. When I read the table in Word, NVDA will read the alternative text as well as the description. When I export the document to PDF, NVDA will neither read the alternative text nor the description. Is this because NVDA doesn't support this in Adobe DC, or is it that Word doesn't include the alternative text and table description?

 

The same is true for tables created in PowerPoint, when the files are exported to PDF.

 

Regards

 

Sandra


Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

bering.p
 

Hi,
There is also the "NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin" add-on which has an option for this:
v9.7
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 20/04/2021 16:45, Brian Vogel a écrit :

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:11 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
I believe there is an add on for this feature--for what it's worth.
-
And I believe you're referring to Clock and Calendar Add-On for NVDA.  There's also Time Zoner for those who need to deal with multiple time zones frequently.

I hadn't looked at the NVDA Stable Add-Ons page as this is not a need I have, but it's always worth doing so to see if someone else did and created an add-on to fulfill that need.
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Re: Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

 

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:11 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
I believe there is an add on for this feature--for what it's worth.
-
And I believe you're referring to Clock and Calendar Add-On for NVDA.  There's also Time Zoner for those who need to deal with multiple time zones frequently.

I hadn't looked at the NVDA Stable Add-Ons page as this is not a need I have, but it's always worth doing so to see if someone else did and created an add-on to fulfill that need.
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Re: Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian and List,

I believe there is an add on for this feature--for what it's worth.


On 4/20/2021 9:27 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Seconds are a moving target a number of which are consumed by the announcement of the hours and minutes, and that number will vary depending on the exact hour and minute combination being announced.  So they'd always be inaccurate by the time they are announced.  Though the same can be said for both hours and minutes depending on the exact moment time is fetched, having either one of those change as the verbalization is made is far less frequent.
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Re: Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

 

Seconds are a moving target a number of which are consumed by the announcement of the hours and minutes, and that number will vary depending on the exact hour and minute combination being announced.  So they'd always be inaccurate by the time they are announced.  Though the same can be said for both hours and minutes depending on the exact moment time is fetched, having either one of those change as the verbalization is made is far less frequent.
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Re: Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

Gene
 

I can't speak for the developers but I haven't seen any screen-reader that does that nor any talking clock. I believe there may be an NVDA add-on that allows the user to do this but I think most users would be really annoyed if that were the default behavior. I certainly wouldn't want to hear seconds announced as a general rule when I check the time.

I just checked and there is an add-on that will let you do all sorts of things with features regarding time.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clock.en.html

Whenever you want to add functionality or be able to change something with more options, check to see if there is an add-on. Who knows what someone wanted and developed.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rowen Cary
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 5:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second



Hi friends,

As the title says, when you press NVDA + F12, only hours and minutes are reported, and seconds are not included.

By reading the source code of NVDA, I found that there may be a reason:

text=winKernel.GetTimeFormatEx(winKernel.LOCALE_NAME_USER_DEFAULT, winKernel.TIME_NOSECONDS, None, None)

Set the second parameter of this function to None to make NVDA's time report include seconds.
This is very Easy, I want to know why NVAccess did not do this? Is there something I overlooked?

Thanks every friend


Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

Rowen Cary
 

 
Hi friends,
 
As the title says, when you press NVDA + F12, only hours and minutes are reported, and seconds are not included.
 
By reading the source code of NVDA, I found that there may be a reason:
 
text=winKernel.GetTimeFormatEx(winKernel.LOCALE_NAME_USER_DEFAULT, winKernel.TIME_NOSECONDS, None, None)
 
Set the second parameter of this function to None to make NVDA's time report include seconds.
This is very Easy, I want to know why NVAccess did not do this? Is there something I overlooked?
 
Thanks every friend


nvda snapshot alpha - 22409

Wagner Soares Da Silva
 

Hello, special thanks to the entire NVDA team for fixing the bug with Windows 8 from this Alpha version of NVDA.

Since the migration to Python 3.8, the Alphas versions of NVDA have started to present serious problems in Windows 8.

Fortunately, starting with version 22409, apparently, the problem has been solved.

Thanks to the developers of the best screen reader for Windows.


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Re: On posting e-mail addresses in messages - Please don't #adminnotice

 

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 02:54 PM, Gene wrote:
I hope the discussion helps others with problems that might be resolved in this way.
-
As do I, and it's not limited to Windows, or Office, or NVDA, or any particular single thing or cluster of things.  Turning something off and on again, uninstalling/removing and then promptly reinstalling, or similar is one of the fundamental troubleshooting and diagnostic steps for anything.  We've seen plenty of instances over the years where toggling an NVDA setting that's misbehaving magically makes it behave again, even though what you're setting it to in the end is what it was set to in the beginning.

The one thing I'll add is that it's never a bad idea to toggle the setting, exit whatever it is you toggled it for, restart, then toggle it back.  That's not absolutely essential, but there are occasions where the straight toggle doesn't work, but where toggle-exit-restart-toggle does.  And, no, don't anyone dare ask me why, as no technician in the world has the answer to that mystery!
 
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Re: On posting e-mail addresses in messages - Please don't #adminnotice

Gene
 

I hope the discussion helps others with problems that might be resolved in this way.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] On posting e-mail addresses in messages - Please don't #adminnotice

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 02:24 PM, Gene wrote:
I corrected the problem by making another e-mail program the default, then making Windows Live Mail the default again.-
Which indicates that there was some small corruption in your existing setup. And I say that because there are all sorts of small corruptions that can creep in on any system and through no direct user action.

What you did, which is a great idea, is the equivalent of the oft-given question/advice: Did you turn it off and on again? Resetting a given setting, saving it, then setting it back to what you thought it was in the first place (but wasn't acting that way) is a great simple diagnostic. It doesn't always work, nothing will, but things that are dirt simple to try and take mere minutes are worth trying.
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Re: On posting e-mail addresses in messages - Please don't #adminnotice

 

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 02:24 PM, Gene wrote:
I corrected the problem by making another e-mail program the default, then making Windows Live Mail the default again.
-
Which indicates that there was some small corruption in your existing setup.  And I say that because there are all sorts of small corruptions that can creep in on any system and through no direct user action.

What you did, which is a great idea, is the equivalent of the oft-given question/advice:  Did you turn it off and on again?    Resetting a given setting, saving it, then setting it back to what you thought it was in the first place (but wasn't acting that way) is a great simple diagnostic.  It doesn't always work, nothing will, but things that are dirt simple to try and take mere minutes are worth trying.
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Re: On posting e-mail addresses in messages - Please don't #adminnotice

Gene
 

I corrected the problem by making another e-mail program the default, then making Windows Live Mail the default again. Now, a reply to the sender opens in Windows Live Mail.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 12:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] On posting e-mail addresses in messages - Please don't #adminnotice

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 01:23 PM, Gene wrote:
It looks as though when you follow the reply to sender link and you are using an e-mail program, that opens a browser-
It shouldn't. I'm not saying it doesn't, but that means something is configured wrong on the system in question.

The Reply to Sender link is a dirt common mailto: link. Activating a mailto: link should cause the default e-mail mechanism, be it an email client or webmail if the "flow through" has been configured (and that's extra steps in many cases), to open and behave as I previously stated. A web browser should not be opened unless the system in question has the default mail client set as a web browser. If that's happening, if you activate a mailto link anywhere outside your e-mail client it will likely open up the web browser. That can be tested on any webpage, usually Contact Us, that happens to have a mailto: link. If people want to test using my webpage, britechguy.com, feel free to do so. The main page has the word, with hyphen, e-mail immediately followed with a mailto link for the same address I use to subscribe here. On systems where an email client is configured as the default email mechanism it should cause a compose window to open with my email address prepopulated in the To field. When I activate it myself, I'm getting a pop-up dialog from the browser saying that it wants to open eM Client and would I allow that, and I have eM Client configured as my default email client at the moment on this machine.

As to non-Groups.io lists, I agree a document would be handy, but that's outside of the scope of what I am discussing here. I'm sticking to how Groups.io works.

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Re: stream pc audio with nvda remote?

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Re: Edcast.
While Edcast isn't around anymore, the developers have reorganized and
come out with Alta Cast, which looks and I assume functions very
similarly to Edcast. I installed Alta Cast a few months ago hoping to
test how it streams with Zara over a test server, but haven't gotten
around to setting one up yet.

On 4/19/21, Vinod Benjamin <vinbenji.group@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Luke,

Thanks for the extensive reply, let me try.

Regards,
Vinod Benjamin

On 4/19/21, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:
There used to be software called Airfoil, that sent audio from one
computer
to
any others. However it has been discontinued.

The spiritual successor seems to be this:
https://www.stardock.com/products/acousticbridge/
And before you ask: I don't know if it's accessible.

As for more DIY answers.

Doing this kind of thing was much more popular 10-15 years ago it seems.
Most of the solutions out there speak of Win 7, vista, or 98. Most
software
for
doing it has gone away now, or can only be found in very old versions.

Pulseaudio can do this, but God bless you and help you if you decide to
spend
time working with Pulseaudio. Even I won't go near that one any more.

There are several possible solutions here:
https://sound.stackexchange.com/questions/22921/stream-windows-audio-over-the-network

The best one seems to be the Edcast -> Icecast answer, but even Edcast is
only
available in the Google Code Vault.

Another (partial) option might be this software here:
https://github.com/duncanthrax/scream

It claims to only work on the local network, but if you are clever with
networking and such you might be able to convince it to work over a point
to

point VPN or something like that.

Were I to try this, I would probably use FFMpeg to pick up the local PCM
stream,
convert it to MP3 or OGG, pipe that into a local icecast server, and have
your
remote machine listen to that compressed stream.
Alternatively, you might be able to do something with VLC, but I'm no
expert.

There are recipes out there for going from Linux to Windows via FFMPeg
and
FFPlay. I'm sure you could adapt those for Windows-to-Windows, using the
loopback sound driver that Windows has.

Good luck.

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Re: On posting e-mail addresses in messages - Please don't #adminnotice

Gene
 

I'm not sure what I would change, perhaps there is a browser setting that needs to be changed. My e-mail program is set as the default program but there is some other problem. If others have this sort of problem, I found a work around that may be helpful.

If I am on the reply to sender link, I can use the context menu in Windows Live Mail and Firefox to copy the link or shortcut, whatever the e-mail program calls it to the clipboard. I can then start a new message and paste the address in. I may have to edit it, depending on what is copied to the clipboard, but the address is there.

I would expect this can be done in Outlook, I have no idea about the Windows 10 mail app.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 12:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] On posting e-mail addresses in messages - Please don't #adminnotice

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 01:23 PM, Gene wrote:
It looks as though when you follow the reply to sender link and you are using an e-mail program, that opens a browser-
It shouldn't. I'm not saying it doesn't, but that means something is configured wrong on the system in question.

The Reply to Sender link is a dirt common mailto: link. Activating a mailto: link should cause the default e-mail mechanism, be it an email client or webmail if the "flow through" has been configured (and that's extra steps in many cases), to open and behave as I previously stated. A web browser should not be opened unless the system in question has the default mail client set as a web browser. If that's happening, if you activate a mailto link anywhere outside your e-mail client it will likely open up the web browser. That can be tested on any webpage, usually Contact Us, that happens to have a mailto: link. If people want to test using my webpage, britechguy.com, feel free to do so. The main page has the word, with hyphen, e-mail immediately followed with a mailto link for the same address I use to subscribe here. On systems where an email client is configured as the default email mechanism it should cause a compose window to open with my email address prepopulated in the To field. When I activate it myself, I'm getting a pop-up dialog from the browser saying that it wants to open eM Client and would I allow that, and I have eM Client configured as my default email client at the moment on this machine.

As to non-Groups.io lists, I agree a document would be handy, but that's outside of the scope of what I am discussing here. I'm sticking to how Groups.io works.

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Re: On posting e-mail addresses in messages - Please don't #adminnotice

 

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 01:23 PM, Gene wrote:
It looks as though when you follow the reply to sender link and you are using an e-mail program, that opens a browser
-
It shouldn't.  I'm not saying it doesn't, but that means something is configured wrong on the system in question.

The Reply to Sender link is a dirt common mailto: link.  Activating a mailto: link should cause the default e-mail mechanism, be it an email client or webmail if the "flow through" has been configured (and that's extra steps in many cases), to open and behave as I previously stated.  A web browser should not be opened unless the system in question has the default mail client set as a web browser.  If that's happening, if you activate a mailto link anywhere outside your e-mail client it will likely open up the web browser.  That can be tested on any webpage, usually Contact Us, that happens to have a mailto: link.  If people want to test using my webpage, britechguy.com, feel free to do so.  The main page has the word, with hyphen, e-mail immediately followed with a mailto link for the same address I use to subscribe here.  On systems where an email client is configured as the default email mechanism it should cause a compose window to open with my email address prepopulated in the To field.  When I activate it myself, I'm getting a pop-up dialog from the browser saying that it wants to open eM Client and would I allow that, and I have eM Client configured as my default email client at the moment on this machine.

As to non-Groups.io lists, I agree a document would be handy, but that's outside of the scope of what I am discussing here.  I'm sticking to how Groups.io works.
 
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