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Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

 

Try uninstalling NVDA, restarting the computer, and reinstalling it afterward, too.   You may need either Narrator or a portable copy of NVDA to do that.

Which brings up another question, if you generate a portable copy of NVDA from a machine that is not currently misbehaving, does it misbehave on the system that is currently having problems.  That's important diagnostic information.
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Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

Sarah k Alawami
 

I would, except it even fails with add ons disabled, at random times, in apps where it was working before. I just tried that when writing my OP.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of tim
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] suddenly object review quit working like it should

 

Try reinstalling your addons and see if it starts working again.

On 4/21/2021 11:02 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I can’t really describe this, but my pc curser used to follow the object review curser and I could just from anywhere check my objects in any window I was in by default. This quit working about a few days after I installed About NVDA Nonvisual Desktop Access (NVDA)

Version: 2020.4. I tried running the com reg tool twice. That worked but then it would not. I tried restarting nvda, that didn’t work. I mean the restart worked, but the object curser would not move. I would hear “no next object” and “no containing object even in object review. I can’t really restart with add ons disabled as I can’t tab tot eh ok button. It’s also liked my keys are stuck or something. I’ve been having that issue for ever now.

 

I’m running Windows 10 20H2 (64-bit) build 19042.928

 

The restart of nvda takes care of the not able to press tab  but it add ons disabled does not take care of the no containing object. I’m on outlook typing this right now and I try to just for grins navigate with object view and I cannot. I need to try and go up, find the outlook window, navigate by object into it and, it’s a mess. Sometimes that does not even work. I tried changing my display to something smaller and that worked for a bit, but now even that is failing.

 

I thought that this was browser only but now this object thing is happening in every app. Anything else I should try and do before I pull my hair out? Half of the stuff I use I rely on screen and object view, and I can’t even get screen review to work. The cursers no longer follow each other.  Is there a setting I unchecked in NVDA somewhere that I forgot about as well?

 

Take care all.


Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

tim
 

Try reinstalling your addons and see if it starts working again.

On 4/21/2021 11:02 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I can’t really describe this, but my pc curser used to follow the object review curser and I could just from anywhere check my objects in any window I was in by default. This quit working about a few days after I installed About NVDA Nonvisual Desktop Access (NVDA)

Version: 2020.4. I tried running the com reg tool twice. That worked but then it would not. I tried restarting nvda, that didn’t work. I mean the restart worked, but the object curser would not move. I would hear “no next object” and “no containing object even in object review. I can’t really restart with add ons disabled as I can’t tab tot eh ok button. It’s also liked my keys are stuck or something. I’ve been having that issue for ever now.

 

I’m running Windows 10 20H2 (64-bit) build 19042.928

 

The restart of nvda takes care of the not able to press tab  but it add ons disabled does not take care of the no containing object. I’m on outlook typing this right now and I try to just for grins navigate with object view and I cannot. I need to try and go up, find the outlook window, navigate by object into it and, it’s a mess. Sometimes that does not even work. I tried changing my display to something smaller and that worked for a bit, but now even that is failing.

 

I thought that this was browser only but now this object thing is happening in every app. Anything else I should try and do before I pull my hair out? Half of the stuff I use I rely on screen and object view, and I can’t even get screen review to work. The cursers no longer follow each other.  Is there a setting I unchecked in NVDA somewhere that I forgot about as well?

 

Take care all.


Screen tips for Outlook email links

Vaibhav Saraf
 

Hi Group,

I got to know today that we can add 'Screen tip' with each link while composing an email on Outlook. This tip will become visible as a tooltip when one hovers over the link text.

Is there a way to listen to that tip using NVDA?

Thanks,
Vaibhav


Re: Chess programs

 
Edited

That was Anthony Borg, two days ago, and he asked about Lichess:  
NVDA screen reader user and Lichess user
Since I presumed the question was, in reality, "Is Lichess accessible with NVDA?," I let that go on the main group.  And your reply now indicates that it is.

You are correct that discussions of how to play with Lichess do belong on the Chat Subgroup.
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Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

Chris Smart
 

what does NVDA+6 do for you?


suddenly object review quit working like it should

Sarah k Alawami
 

I can’t really describe this, but my pc curser used to follow the object review curser and I could just from anywhere check my objects in any window I was in by default. This quit working about a few days after I installed About NVDA Nonvisual Desktop Access (NVDA)

Version: 2020.4. I tried running the com reg tool twice. That worked but then it would not. I tried restarting nvda, that didn’t work. I mean the restart worked, but the object curser would not move. I would hear “no next object” and “no containing object even in object review. I can’t really restart with add ons disabled as I can’t tab tot eh ok button. It’s also liked my keys are stuck or something. I’ve been having that issue for ever now.

 

I’m running Windows 10 20H2 (64-bit) build 19042.928

 

The restart of nvda takes care of the not able to press tab  but it add ons disabled does not take care of the no containing object. I’m on outlook typing this right now and I try to just for grins navigate with object view and I cannot. I need to try and go up, find the outlook window, navigate by object into it and, it’s a mess. Sometimes that does not even work. I tried changing my display to something smaller and that worked for a bit, but now even that is failing.

 

I thought that this was browser only but now this object thing is happening in every app. Anything else I should try and do before I pull my hair out? Half of the stuff I use I rely on screen and object view, and I can’t even get screen review to work. The cursers no longer follow each other.  Is there a setting I unchecked in NVDA somewhere that I forgot about as well?

 

Take care all.


Chess programs

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

I know there was at least one conversation recently around Chess programs.  Someone wrote to me today about one which seems to be accessible: https://lichess.org/

They wrote because they were having an issue with it in Firefox, however they advised it works well in Chrome.  From a quick look, it seems you can play against another player, or against the computer.

And that's all I know about it, but for anyone interested, do feel free to check it out and let us know how you find it (maybe continue the conversation in the chat group?)

Kind regards

Quentin.
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Re: Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

Luke Davis
 

Chris Mullins wrote:

What happens if a new minute starts between when you   fetch minutes then seconds? All elements of the time should be captured at the same point.  There
will always be a lag between when you grab the time and hear the announcement of it but at least the time will be consistent.
Obviously, it depends on what the user in this case is doing with it.

If seconds are most important, it may even be better to put them on their own shortcut key.

It all depends on what this particular user needs. You may need consistency of time. He may need accurate seconds and not care about minutes.

Anyway, this horse is very very dead.

Luke


Re: Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

What happens if a new minute starts between when you   fetch minutes then seconds? All elements of the time should be captured at the same point.  There will always be a lag between when you grab the time and hear the announcement of it but at least the time will be consistent.

 

Cheers

Chris

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From: Luke Davis
Sent: 21 April 2021 07:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

 

Rowen Cary wrote:

 

> Thanks to everyone who participated in the reply. I actually want to know what considerations are in the development level. My friends and I need such a

> function.

 

If you do make something that announces time to the second, make sure that the

seconds announcement is generated just before speaking.

 

In sudocode, I mean:

 

fetch hours, minutes

speak hours

speak colon

speak minutes

speak colon

fetch seconds

speak seconds

 

Luke

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

Luke Davis
 

Rowen Cary wrote:

Thanks to everyone who participated in the reply. I actually want to know what considerations are in the development level. My friends and I need such a
function.
If you do make something that announces time to the second, make sure that the seconds announcement is generated just before speaking.

In sudocode, I mean:

fetch hours, minutes
speak hours
speak colon
speak minutes
speak colon
fetch seconds
speak seconds

Luke


Re: Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

Rowen Cary
 

Thanks to everyone who participated in the reply. I actually want to know what considerations are in the development level. My friends and I need such a function. I also developed an add-on with a similar function.

Thanks.


Alinement announcement, spelling error and shortcut for layout announcement.

farhan israk
 

I am using Microsoft powerpoint 2016 and latest nvda. Nbda does not announce left aline or right eline after pressing nvda + f. I don't get sound during typing misspelled word. If you add shortcut for layout announcement, it would be helpful for us.


Re: PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

Eilana Benish
 

I also use JAWS as secondary screen reader

but JAWS does not read headings on my presentation. and I have title place Holder shape in each slide.

Also it seems that JAWS reads bulleted text as  graphics

Both NVDA and JAWS should recognize when the object is a shape with text in that shape, and when it is a picture…

And sometimes when I am moving with down arrow between slides in edit mode JAWS announces with each slide  the slide number and then the words know selection.

Come to think of it there are more issues regarding PowerPoint and I hope that JAWS and NVDA will improve the user experience in Microsoft PowerPoint.




‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 20 באפר׳ 2021 ב-23:02 מאת <‪benmoxey@...‬‏>:‬

Hi Sandra

 

I’m pretty sure this is a current limitation. Happy to be corrected. *smile*

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

 

Hi,

 

I use Office 365. When I open a presentation and activate presentation mode pressing F5, NVDA will not recognise tables, headings and so on where JAWS does. It would be helpful if I could read tables with NVDA in Presentation Mode, is this possible at all?

 

Regards

 

Sandra



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Re: PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

benmoxey@...
 

Hi Sandra

 

I’m pretty sure this is a current limitation. Happy to be corrected. *smile*

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

 

Hi,

 

I use Office 365. When I open a presentation and activate presentation mode pressing F5, NVDA will not recognise tables, headings and so on where JAWS does. It would be helpful if I could read tables with NVDA in Presentation Mode, is this possible at all?

 

Regards

 

Sandra


Re: PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

benmoxey@...
 

Hi Sandra

 

I got in touch with a sighted friend who specialises in accessible PDFs. Interestingly, the table alt text is exporting from Word (she can see it in the PDF document), but none of the screen readers are picking it up. It does appear to be a current limitation.

 

If you end up calling Microsoft, would be interested to hear what they say. 😊

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2021 6:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

 

Hi Ben,

 

Thank you for checking this again. Until you said it worked for you, I also thought that the table alt text and the description might not be included in the PDF export. Now I know I can stop looking for what might be wrong on my side. :)

 

Still, it would be interesting to know if it is that he tags are not included in the PDF or if NVDA just doesn't support this in pdf...

 

Also thank you for your suggestions for a workaround.

 

By the way, I'm also dealing with PowerPoint documents where alt text for tables also either is not exported to PDF or doesn't work with NVDA. Maybe, just out of curiosity, I'll contact Microsoft about it just to see if they aware of this.

 

Thanks again.

 

Regards

 

 

Sandra

 

 

Am 18.04.2021 um 06:44 schrieb benmoxey@...:

Hi Sandra

 

I’m really sorry. I just read your reply and checked again.

 

What I didn’t notice during my quick look yesterday is that my Adobe Acrobat Reader DC 64 was immediately crashing when I opened the PDF I’d just created and I was being placed back in the Word document. Therefore, I was hearing the table title and long description, but I was back in Word. Please excuse me.

 

I haven’t been able to review the issue today because I can’t get my Acrobat Reader DC 64 to run while NVDA or Narrator is running. I’ve tried on two machines.

 

Interested to know if anyone else has any feedback or suggestions. However, if you have the accessibility tags checked, I’ll bet it’s an export limitation.

 

As an effective work-around, you could place the table title above the table using the appropriate heading level. This will enable easy navigation and a clear indication of the information that follows. If a long description is require to ensure the user will understand the table, place this in-between the heading and the table. That way, you can be sure it will be easily accessible for everyone.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

 

Hi Ben,

 

Thanks for checking this for me.

 

However, I do have the accessibility tags option checked. I have updated both Office and Acrobat Reader DC. I am also using Office 365

 

I have now opened the exported PDF in Word again to see if word would still show the alt text and the table description. It didn't. It didn't even show the heading of the document, this is the main heading not a header of the table. However, the heading was present in Acrobat Reader, so I don't really understand what's going on here...

 

Do you have any idea what else I might check?

 

Thank you.

 

Regards

 

Sandra

Am 16.04.2021 um 22:37 schrieb benmoxey@...:

Hi Sandra

 

I just tested this and the alt text title and long description for the table are present in the PDF.

 

In the export options, ensure “Document structure tags for accessibility” is checked. Note that I am using Microsoft 365, so the tags added to the PDF may have been enhanced since 2016.

 

Regarding the long description, if this information is essential for the user to understand the table’s contents, I recommend including it in the main body of the document, above the table. Many screen reader users will not know how to access the long description, so this approach ensures the information is easy to find.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 2:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PDF: Alternive Text and Desciption of tables

 

Hello,

 

I have written a Word Document which has a table. In the table properties, I have added an alternative text and a description of the table. When I read the table in Word, NVDA will read the alternative text as well as the description. When I export the document to PDF, NVDA will neither read the alternative text nor the description. Is this because NVDA doesn't support this in Adobe DC, or is it that Word doesn't include the alternative text and table description?

 

The same is true for tables created in PowerPoint, when the files are exported to PDF.

 

Regards

 

Sandra


Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

bering.p
 

Hi,
There is also the "NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin" add-on which has an option for this:
v9.7
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 20/04/2021 16:45, Brian Vogel a écrit :

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:11 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
I believe there is an add on for this feature--for what it's worth.
-
And I believe you're referring to Clock and Calendar Add-On for NVDA.  There's also Time Zoner for those who need to deal with multiple time zones frequently.

I hadn't looked at the NVDA Stable Add-Ons page as this is not a need I have, but it's always worth doing so to see if someone else did and created an add-on to fulfill that need.
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Re: Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

 

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:11 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
I believe there is an add on for this feature--for what it's worth.
-
And I believe you're referring to Clock and Calendar Add-On for NVDA.  There's also Time Zoner for those who need to deal with multiple time zones frequently.

I hadn't looked at the NVDA Stable Add-Ons page as this is not a need I have, but it's always worth doing so to see if someone else did and created an add-on to fulfill that need.
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Re: Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian and List,

I believe there is an add on for this feature--for what it's worth.


On 4/20/2021 9:27 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Seconds are a moving target a number of which are consumed by the announcement of the hours and minutes, and that number will vary depending on the exact hour and minute combination being announced.  So they'd always be inaccurate by the time they are announced.  Though the same can be said for both hours and minutes depending on the exact moment time is fetched, having either one of those change as the verbalization is made is far less frequent.
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Re: Why is the NVDA report time not accurate to the second

 

Seconds are a moving target a number of which are consumed by the announcement of the hours and minutes, and that number will vary depending on the exact hour and minute combination being announced.  So they'd always be inaccurate by the time they are announced.  Though the same can be said for both hours and minutes depending on the exact moment time is fetched, having either one of those change as the verbalization is made is far less frequent.
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