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Nimer Jaber
 

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Re: The say all command....

Arun
 

It works . Thanks...

Arun

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The say all command....

so what happens when you press NVDA+A?


Actually, what happens when you press NVDA+1 to turn Input Help On, then press NVDA+A?




On 2021-04-25 9:41 a.m., Arun wrote:
I have a laptop...

Arun

-----Original Message-----
From: Hermann-Josef Kurzen [mailto:ymh005@gmx.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 8:40 AM
To: arun.gaalla@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nvda] The say all command....

Hi Arun,

perhaps You're using the wrong key combination for the active Layout.


Greetings - Hermann




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I was wondering why the say all command is not working in nvda.

Arun








Re: The say all command....

Chris Smart
 

so what happens when you press NVDA+A?


Actually, what happens when you press NVDA+1 to turn Input Help On, then press NVDA+A?

On 2021-04-25 9:41 a.m., Arun wrote:
I have a laptop...

Arun

-----Original Message-----
From: Hermann-Josef Kurzen [mailto:ymh005@gmx.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 8:40 AM
To: arun.gaalla@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nvda] The say all command....

Hi Arun,

perhaps You're using the wrong key combination for the active Layout.


Greetings - Hermann




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12:23:26
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io;
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Betreff: [nvda] The say all command....
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I was wondering why the say all command is not working in nvda.

Arun







Re: The say all command....

Arun
 

I have a laptop...

Arun

-----Original Message-----
From: Hermann-Josef Kurzen [mailto:ymh005@gmx.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 8:40 AM
To: arun.gaalla@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nvda] The say all command....

Hi Arun,

perhaps You're using the wrong key combination for the active Layout.


Greetings - Hermann




--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
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Lesebestätigung wurde nicht angefordert Gesendet am: 25.04.2021
12:23:26
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io;
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Betreff: [nvda] The say all command....
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I was wondering why the say all command is not working in nvda.

Arun




Re: The say all command....

Gene
 

What keyboard layout are you using? the command is different for the two layouts. I use the desktop layout and the command is NVDA key down arrow on the main keyboard. If you are using the laptop layout, which I don't, I believe the command is NVDA key a.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Arun
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 5:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: arun.gaalla@gmail.com
Subject: [nvda] The say all command....



I was wondering why the say all command is not working in nvda…



Arun


The say all command....

Arun
 

I was wondering why the say all command is not working in nvda…

 

Arun


Re: [Solved] Synth ring not working

 

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 06:00 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:
I forgot that I still have to use the laptop keyboard layout even though I am using an external full keyboard.
-
And a big SECONDED!! of Luke's observation that you absolutely do not have to use the laptop keyboard layout unless you are using a laptop directly, and that laptop has a keyboard that does not have the built-in number pad (which is relatively few of them, but they do exist).  If you have one of those, but have an external full sized keyboard connected, and wish to use desktop layout instead, all you need to do is tweak your NVDA configuration.

If your laptop with "compact keyboard" is not ever being used as an actual laptop when out of wherever you usually use it, and is effectively non-mobile, then if you're using an external full-sized keyboard it's perfectly safe to change your layout to desktop.  The problem would come in when you unplug that external keyboard and were to try to use the laptop without it, and forgot to switch back to laptop layout before doing so.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: [Solved] Synth ring not working

Sarah k Alawami
 

I use the laptop layout on all keyboards, but yes you don’t have to if you don’t’ want to. Just remember what keyboard layout you are in fact using. I am preaching to the choir here btw.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Synth ring problem solved

 

Hello all,

 

I solved my synth ring problem. I forgot that I still have to use the laptop keyboard layout even though I am using an external full keyboard. Thanks to those of you who responded.

 

Janet


Wordpad and police changes reporting

bering.p
 

Thank you Gene  for your reply and this information.
I did not noticed this option and indeed when it is checked, the formatting changes are well announced in Wordpad.
Best regards.
Paul.

Le 24/04/2021 18:19, Gene a écrit :
There is a setting in NVDA preferences that causes NVDA to announce 
formatting changes.  Use NVDA key control d to open document formatting. 
Shift tab to the ok button, then shift tab once more.  You will hear 
explanatory text, but if you wait or use read current line, you will hear 
"Announce formatting changes after the cursor (can cause a lag.)  This is a 
check box.
Check the check bpox with the space bar and activate the ok button.  Try 
moving through the document and see what happens.  I haven't used the 
feature enough to know if it will announce formatting changes when you move 
as you wish.

Once you are finished using the feature, use the command NVDA key control r 
to remove the setting and return to the previous one.  You will hear 
configuration applied.  I won't go into that here.

Gene
-----Original Message----- 
From: bering.p
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 1:10 AM
To: nvda courrier
Subject: [nvda] Wordpad and police changes reporting

Hi.
Steps to reproduce:
- open new document in Windows Wordpad.
- type some texte.
- change the police attributes or color of some word.
- check all options of police group in      "document formatting" NVDA 
settings category.

Now, review the document with uparrow or downArrow keys.
NVDA don't report formatting changes.

Is this a bad observation on my part or a bug in NVDA?
Thanks.
Bestregards.
Paul.


 









Re: Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

 

Hi,

PowerShell replacing Command Prompt: it’s been like this since 1703 days.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

 

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 10:52 AM, Greg Epley wrote:

That setting [Replace Command Prompt with Windows PowerShell] will be on by default for some users but off for others. I prefer it off myself, but that's me.

-
I want to say that the change occurred either at Version 1909 or 2004, but don't remember now.  It was a part of a feature update and everyone had PowerShell as the default immediately afterward.

I set that toggle off within days of whichever Feature Update is was that introduced it and defaulted the toggle to ON.

That's why I said Command Prompt or PowerShell in reference to what is in the menu brought up by WinKey+X.  I don't know who has this setting toggled in which direction, but an elevated Command Prompt or an elevated PowerShell will have Administrator as part of its window frame.

As Luke has noted, the actual command prompt you receive in the Command Prompt session will be your home directory for a regular session or C:\Windows\system32 for an elevated session.

In PowerShell, the actual command prompt is prefixed with PS before either your home directory in a regular session, or C:\Windows\system 32 in an elevated session.  I am using PowerShell 7, the latest version, when I use PowerShell at all.  I still favor Command Prompt just because it's familiar.


 
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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

 

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 10:52 AM, Greg Epley wrote:
That setting [Replace Command Prompt with Windows PowerShell] will be on by default for some users but off for others. I prefer it off myself, but that's me.
-
I want to say that the change occurred either at Version 1909 or 2004, but don't remember now.  It was a part of a feature update and everyone had PowerShell as the default immediately afterward.

I set that toggle off within days of whichever Feature Update is was that introduced it and defaulted the toggle to ON.

That's why I said Command Prompt or PowerShell in reference to what is in the menu brought up by WinKey+X.  I don't know who has this setting toggled in which direction, but an elevated Command Prompt or an elevated PowerShell will have Administrator as part of its window frame.

As Luke has noted, the actual command prompt you receive in the Command Prompt session will be your home directory for a regular session or C:\Windows\system32 for an elevated session.

In PowerShell, the actual command prompt is prefixed with PS before either your home directory in a regular session, or C:\Windows\system 32 in an elevated session.  I am using PowerShell 7, the latest version, when I use PowerShell at all.  I still favor Command Prompt just because it's familiar.


 
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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Wordpad and police changes reporting

Gene
 

There is a setting in NVDA preferences that causes NVDA to announce formatting changes. Use NVDA key control d to open document formatting. Shift tab to the ok button, then shift tab once more. You will hear explanatory text, but if you wait or use read current line, you will hear "Announce formatting changes after the cursor (can cause a lag.) This is a check box.
Check the check bpox with the space bar and activate the ok button. Try moving through the document and see what happens. I haven't used the feature enough to know if it will announce formatting changes when you move as you wish.

Once you are finished using the feature, use the command NVDA key control r to remove the setting and return to the previous one. You will hear configuration applied. I won't go into that here.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: bering.p
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 1:10 AM
To: nvda courrier
Subject: [nvda] Wordpad and police changes reporting

Hi.
Steps to reproduce:
- open new document in Windows Wordpad.
- type some texte.
- change the police attributes or color of some word.
- check all options of police group in "document formatting" NVDA settings category.

Now, review the document with uparrow or downArrow keys.
NVDA don't report formatting changes.

Is this a bad observation on my part or a bug in NVDA?
Thanks.
Bestregards.
Paul.


Re: Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

Greg Epley <greg.epley64@...>
 

Depends on your setting in Settings > Personalization > Task Bar > Replace Command Prompt with Windows PowerShell in the menu when I right-click the start button or press Windows key+X.

That setting will be on by default for some users but off for others. I prefer it off myself, but that's me.
-Greg Epley

On 4/24/2021 10:19 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
Hmm, that launched Windows Power Shell with Admin rights.



On 2021-04-24 10:03 a.m., Greg Epley wrote:
Far less keystrokes and not having to remember whether one needs Ctrl and/or Shift with Enter is WindowsKey+X to pop open the Start menu, followed by "A" as in "Admin", then Alt+Y to respond Yes to the UAC prompt. The resulting window title says "Administrator:" to indicate you're in an elevated command window. This will work unless one has perhaps configured their Start menu to show more items than I prefer; I deliberately keep mine as bare bones as possible since I prefer other shortcut methods to launch items. I use the same Start menu shortcut key and single letters to perform restarts, shutdowns or other common operations with less keystrokes. The specific letters one needs should be spoken by most screen readers unless the screen reader has been set not to report such aids, which would only be advisable for very advanced Windows users.

-Greg Epley


On 4/24/2021 12:58 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
Hmm, the prompt is not looking any different no matter what I add to Enter. what am I missing?

How can I tell I've launched the elevated prompt?


On 2021-04-23 7:58 p.m., Richard Wells wrote:
I Have to press SHIFT+CONTROL+ENTER to get the elevated prompt from the
run dialog.

On 4/23/2021 3:09 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Jackie, at least in 20H2, that no longer seems to work. I noticed it
in passing last week, and just checked again per your comment.

Jackie wrote:

Might I also say that if you invoke the run dialog (windows key + r)
then type cmd & press *control+enter* as opposed to just enter alone,
you'll also get an administrative (elevated) command prompt.















Re: Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

Chris Smart
 

Hmm, that launched Windows Power Shell with Admin rights.

On 2021-04-24 10:03 a.m., Greg Epley wrote:
Far less keystrokes and not having to remember whether one needs Ctrl and/or Shift with Enter is WindowsKey+X to pop open the Start menu, followed by "A" as in "Admin", then Alt+Y to respond Yes to the UAC prompt. The resulting window title says "Administrator:" to indicate you're in an elevated command window. This will work unless one has perhaps configured their Start menu to show more items than I prefer; I deliberately keep mine as bare bones as possible since I prefer other shortcut methods to launch items. I use the same Start menu shortcut key and single letters to perform restarts, shutdowns or other common operations with less keystrokes. The specific letters one needs should be spoken by most screen readers unless the screen reader has been set not to report such aids, which would only be advisable for very advanced Windows users.

-Greg Epley


On 4/24/2021 12:58 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
Hmm, the prompt is not looking any different no matter what I add to Enter. what am I missing?

How can I tell I've launched the elevated prompt?


On 2021-04-23 7:58 p.m., Richard Wells wrote:
I Have to press SHIFT+CONTROL+ENTER to get the elevated prompt from the
run dialog.

On 4/23/2021 3:09 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Jackie, at least in 20H2, that no longer seems to work. I noticed it
in passing last week, and just checked again per your comment.

Jackie wrote:

Might I also say that if you invoke the run dialog (windows key + r)
then type cmd & press *control+enter* as opposed to just enter alone,
you'll also get an administrative (elevated) command prompt.












Re: Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

Greg Epley <greg.epley64@...>
 

Far less keystrokes and not having to remember whether one needs Ctrl and/or Shift with Enter is WindowsKey+X to pop open the Start menu, followed by "A" as in "Admin", then Alt+Y to respond Yes to the UAC prompt. The resulting window title says "Administrator:" to indicate you're in an elevated command window. This will work unless one has perhaps configured their Start menu to show more items than I prefer; I deliberately keep mine as bare bones as possible since I prefer other shortcut methods to launch items. I use the same Start menu shortcut key and single letters to perform restarts, shutdowns or other common operations with less keystrokes. The specific letters one needs should be spoken by most screen readers unless the screen reader has been set not to report such aids, which would only be advisable for very advanced Windows users.

-Greg Epley

On 4/24/2021 12:58 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
Hmm, the prompt is not looking any different no matter what I add to Enter. what am I missing?

How can I tell I've launched the elevated prompt?


On 2021-04-23 7:58 p.m., Richard Wells wrote:
I Have to press SHIFT+CONTROL+ENTER to get the elevated prompt from the
run dialog.

On 4/23/2021 3:09 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Jackie, at least in 20H2, that no longer seems to work. I noticed it
in passing last week, and just checked again per your comment.

Jackie wrote:

Might I also say that if you invoke the run dialog (windows key + r)
then type cmd & press *control+enter* as opposed to just enter alone,
you'll also get an administrative (elevated) command prompt.









Add-on Updater advisory for NVDA alpha users: update check results are not shown on screen

 

Hi all,

The following advisory is applicable if you are using Add-on Updater with NvDA alpha snapshots (which should not be many of you):

Due to changes in wxPython and removal of a constant used in it, Add-on Updater will not display update check results after initiating add-on update checks. This change affects any add-on that ships with its own dialog, including Add-on Updater.

I’m testing a potential solution and will include a fix as part of Add-on Updater 21.05 (next week at the earliest). For those using NVDA alpha builds, it will be a manual download; for people using 2020.4, this advisory is not applicable and therefore the new version will be pushed automatically. Speaking of 21.05, the new release will start checking for updates for newly registered add-ons such as WinWizard.

Cheers,

Joseph


Wordpad and police changes reporting

bering.p
 

Hi.
Steps to reproduce:
- open new document in Windows Wordpad.
- type some texte.
- change the police attributes or color of some word.
- check all options of police group in      "document formatting" NVDA settings category.

Now, review the document with uparrow or downArrow keys.
NVDA don't report formatting changes.

Is this a bad observation on my part or a bug in NVDA?
Thanks.
Bestregards.
Paul.


Re: Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

Luke Davis
 

A regular user command prompt will launch in your home directory.

C:\Users\YourUserName>

The elevated prompt will launch in something like:

C:\Windows\System32>

Just press enter after the prompt launches, and you'll hear what directory you're in as part of the prompt.

Also, an elevated one should hit you with a UAC dialog before it starts.

Luke

Chris Smart wrote:

Hmm, the prompt is not looking any different no matter what I add to Enter. what am I missing?


Re: Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

Chris Smart
 

cmd

On 2021-04-24 1:04 a.m., Jackie wrote:
Chris, invoke the run dialog. Type cmd then hit control shift enter.
You'll get a UAC popup, to which you'll need to answer yes (alt y) to
get the elevated command prompt. Once that's done, if you press insert
t, you'll hear something similar, if not identical to, "administrator
c:\windows\system32\cmd.exe."

On 4/23/21, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:
Hmm, the prompt is not looking any different no matter what I add to
Enter. what am I missing?

How can I tell I've launched the elevated prompt?


On 2021-04-23 7:58 p.m., Richard Wells wrote:
I Have to press SHIFT+CONTROL+ENTER to get the elevated prompt from the
run dialog.

On 4/23/2021 3:09 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Jackie, at least in 20H2, that no longer seems to work. I noticed it
in passing last week, and just checked again per your comment.

Jackie wrote:

Might I also say that if you invoke the run dialog (windows key + r)
then type cmd & press *control+enter* as opposed to just enter alone,
you'll also get an administrative (elevated) command prompt.








Re: Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

Chris Smart
 

ah ok. got it. I already have UAC turned to minimum so didn't see the dialog.

On 2021-04-24 1:04 a.m., Jackie wrote:
Chris, invoke the run dialog. Type cmd then hit control shift enter.
You'll get a UAC popup, to which you'll need to answer yes (alt y) to
get the elevated command prompt. Once that's done, if you press insert
t, you'll hear something similar, if not identical to, "administrator
c:\windows\system32\cmd.exe."

On 4/23/21, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:
Hmm, the prompt is not looking any different no matter what I add to
Enter. what am I missing?

How can I tell I've launched the elevated prompt?


On 2021-04-23 7:58 p.m., Richard Wells wrote:
I Have to press SHIFT+CONTROL+ENTER to get the elevated prompt from the
run dialog.

On 4/23/2021 3:09 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Jackie, at least in 20H2, that no longer seems to work. I noticed it
in passing last week, and just checked again per your comment.

Jackie wrote:

Might I also say that if you invoke the run dialog (windows key + r)
then type cmd & press *control+enter* as opposed to just enter alone,
you'll also get an administrative (elevated) command prompt.







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