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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 21.04 released #addonrelease

Luke Davis
 

Pauline Smith wrote:

I'm sure this query has been answered more than once.  My apologies for asking again.  Where do you get this and other add-ons?
As explained in section 13.5 of the NVDA user manual:

From within the add-ons manager (NVDA+n, t, a), you can press the "get add-ons" button, which will take you to the official add-ons website.
There you can download stable or development add-ons, and see what is available.

That is the same site for which you were given a link earlier.

Luke


Re: Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

doubts about mouse tracking, as far as a regular mouse goes since most don't keep them anywhere near to where they could bump them by accident, and most
turn their mousepads off when they're using a screen reader.
Brian, my first thought was about mouse tracking also. Afaik most major laptop brands don't allow turning off the touchpad easily without installing some sort of third party utility, unless you know something about it I don't?

I can do it on my MSI gaming laptop with FN+F3, but none of my HP laptops support it that I've ever been able to find. Same for lower end Dells, I believe.

Luke


Re: NVDA add on question

Jonathan COHN
 

A NVDA addon can be created for any program. There might be a slight issue if two different applications have the same binary name, since I believe the binary name is what NVDA keys off of for determining what add ons are enabled.
But I expect that what you are really interested in is can I make a specific program easier to use with an add-on. 
So, if there are parts of the application that the review cursor and/or the object review mode can find that you can’t get access to via the regular navigation, then there is a good chance that an add-onn could have a keyboard sequence or active monitor of that region. 
Another possibility is that a program provides a way for other programs to communicate with it but does not provide ways for the object review , review or regular navigation to work. Older Skype was like this and a Blind programmer was able to write a set of python commands to start and stop conversations. 

Hopefully this will get you some ideas, writing add-ons is not magic though and for programs that don’t want other programs messing with them like virus protection applications there is often little a person can do to use them.
Jonathan


On Apr 27, 2021, at 12:19 PM, Nicholas Stevens <nicolas.stevens@...> wrote:

Hi all,
How do I know if an add on or script can be made for NVDA to work with a specific program?
Regards
Nicholas Stevens


Re: PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

Sandra Pilz
 

Hi Ben,


I did write to Microsoft saying that I got different info from different people on whether the tags for alternative text for table export to PDF. I ask them to check if the tags were in the PDF and to let me know what I would have to do in order to see them if they are there. Larry from Microsoft said the tags aren't there and that he would forward this problem to the engineers.


Regards


Sandra

Am 20.04.2021 um 21:58 schrieb benmoxey@...:

Hi Sandra

 

I got in touch with a sighted friend who specialises in accessible PDFs. Interestingly, the table alt text is exporting from Word (she can see it in the PDF document), but none of the screen readers are picking it up. It does appear to be a current limitation.

 

If you end up calling Microsoft, would be interested to hear what they say. 😊

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2021 6:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

 

Hi Ben,

 

Thank you for checking this again. Until you said it worked for you, I also thought that the table alt text and the description might not be included in the PDF export. Now I know I can stop looking for what might be wrong on my side. :)

 

Still, it would be interesting to know if it is that he tags are not included in the PDF or if NVDA just doesn't support this in pdf...

 

Also thank you for your suggestions for a workaround.

 

By the way, I'm also dealing with PowerPoint documents where alt text for tables also either is not exported to PDF or doesn't work with NVDA. Maybe, just out of curiosity, I'll contact Microsoft about it just to see if they aware of this.

 

Thanks again.

 

Regards

 

 

Sandra

 

 

Am 18.04.2021 um 06:44 schrieb benmoxey@...:

Hi Sandra

 

I’m really sorry. I just read your reply and checked again.

 

What I didn’t notice during my quick look yesterday is that my Adobe Acrobat Reader DC 64 was immediately crashing when I opened the PDF I’d just created and I was being placed back in the Word document. Therefore, I was hearing the table title and long description, but I was back in Word. Please excuse me.

 

I haven’t been able to review the issue today because I can’t get my Acrobat Reader DC 64 to run while NVDA or Narrator is running. I’ve tried on two machines.

 

Interested to know if anyone else has any feedback or suggestions. However, if you have the accessibility tags checked, I’ll bet it’s an export limitation.

 

As an effective work-around, you could place the table title above the table using the appropriate heading level. This will enable easy navigation and a clear indication of the information that follows. If a long description is require to ensure the user will understand the table, place this in-between the heading and the table. That way, you can be sure it will be easily accessible for everyone.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

 

Hi Ben,

 

Thanks for checking this for me.

 

However, I do have the accessibility tags option checked. I have updated both Office and Acrobat Reader DC. I am also using Office 365

 

I have now opened the exported PDF in Word again to see if word would still show the alt text and the table description. It didn't. It didn't even show the heading of the document, this is the main heading not a header of the table. However, the heading was present in Acrobat Reader, so I don't really understand what's going on here...

 

Do you have any idea what else I might check?

 

Thank you.

 

Regards

 

Sandra

Am 16.04.2021 um 22:37 schrieb benmoxey@...:

Hi Sandra

 

I just tested this and the alt text title and long description for the table are present in the PDF.

 

In the export options, ensure “Document structure tags for accessibility” is checked. Note that I am using Microsoft 365, so the tags added to the PDF may have been enhanced since 2016.

 

Regarding the long description, if this information is essential for the user to understand the table’s contents, I recommend including it in the main body of the document, above the table. Many screen reader users will not know how to access the long description, so this approach ensures the information is easy to find.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 2:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PDF: Alternive Text and Desciption of tables

 

Hello,

 

I have written a Word Document which has a table. In the table properties, I have added an alternative text and a description of the table. When I read the table in Word, NVDA will read the alternative text as well as the description. When I export the document to PDF, NVDA will neither read the alternative text nor the description. Is this because NVDA doesn't support this in Adobe DC, or is it that Word doesn't include the alternative text and table description?

 

The same is true for tables created in PowerPoint, when the files are exported to PDF.

 

Regards

 

Sandra


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 21.04 released #addonrelease

Chris Smart
 

On 2021-04-27 3:06 p.m., Pauline Smith wrote:
I'm sure this query has been answered more than once.  My apologies for asking again.  Where do you get this and other add-ons?

Pauline


On 4/23/2021 12:51 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Windows 10 App Essentials 21.04 is now available.

In addition to source code refinements, this update is dedicated to Calculator app. Specifically:

  • NvDA will announce results window when Delete (including Numpad Delete) is pressed to clear results.
  • NVDA will braille expressions and results on a braille display.

 

IMPORTANT NOTICE on Windows 10 feature update compatibility: the next version of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will be the last version to support Windows 10 Version 2004 (May 2020 Update/build 19041). Also, although not set in stone yet, the next version may also require NVDA 2020.4 or later.

Cheers,

Joseph



Question about "Drag and drop" NVDA add-on

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I just saw a refference on another list about an NVDA “Drag and drop” add-on with a direct link.  When I looked on the NVDA add-ons website, it wasn’t there.  I only use add-ons that have been placed on the add-ons website, and therefore vetted by NV Access.  Am I missing something?
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 21.04 released #addonrelease

Pauline Smith
 

I'm sure this query has been answered more than once.  My apologies for asking again.  Where do you get this and other add-ons?

Pauline


On 4/23/2021 12:51 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Windows 10 App Essentials 21.04 is now available.

In addition to source code refinements, this update is dedicated to Calculator app. Specifically:

  • NvDA will announce results window when Delete (including Numpad Delete) is pressed to clear results.
  • NVDA will braille expressions and results on a braille display.

 

IMPORTANT NOTICE on Windows 10 feature update compatibility: the next version of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will be the last version to support Windows 10 Version 2004 (May 2020 Update/build 19041). Also, although not set in stone yet, the next version may also require NVDA 2020.4 or later.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: Reading just text in red

Fernando Henrique Botelho <fbotelho@...>
 

Fantastic! Thank you very much. I will give it a try.

 

Best,

 

Fernando

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 26 April 2021 21:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading just text in red

 

It would work in any browse mode, not only in browser. In particular, it should work in MS Word. Not sure about Excel though, I am not familiar with how NVDA interacts with it. You also mentioned email messages - it should work in both Outlook and Thunderbird - and any other email client as long as they present email in HTML format.

On 4/26/2021 3:05 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:

This would be perfect, except that I would need it on a normal application, rather than on the browser.

 

Thanks though, it is good to know of this add-on.

 

Best,

 

Fernando

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 26 April 2021 13:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading just text in red

 

Not quite what you're looking for, but in my BrowserNav add-on, I have a keystroke "Jump to next format change" assigned to tilde key by default (`). You can use it to find the next word written in a different color, but then you'd have to still manually check the color for example with NVDA+F keystroke.

HTH

--Tony

 

On 4/16/2021 1:36 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:

Dear all,

 

Does NVDA offer a way to read only the text which is shown in red, or only the text which is shown in a color other than the predominant color in a given e-mail message or Word/Excel document?

 

I sometimes get e-mail messages where someone has made comments in a color which is different from that of the text being commented. I am hoping there is a quick way to tell NVDA to just read that portion of the document.

 

Thanks,

 

Fernando

 


Re: NVDA add on question

Sarah k Alawami
 

I guess ask. What did you have in mind. Maybe someone might be able to help you. Thre is also an add ons list I believe you can ask on, as you might be able to get more help there. Look at nvda’s sub groups for more.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nicholas Stevens
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 9:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA add on question

 

Hi all,

How do I know if an add on or script can be made for NVDA to work with a specific program?

Regards

Nicholas Stevens


NVDA add on question

Nicholas Stevens
 

Hi all,

How do I know if an add on or script can be made for NVDA to work with a specific program?

Regards

Nicholas Stevens


Re: Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

 

I also should have asked exactly what make and model of computer you're using, and in particular whether this is a laptop with a touchscreen?

I have my doubts about mouse tracking, as far as a regular mouse goes since most don't keep them anywhere near to where they could bump them by accident, and most turn their mousepads off when they're using a screen reader.  But, touchscreens don't get disabled (though they can be) and they do go wonky.  I've replaced a number of them that seem to have ghosts touching them at random places.  I've also disabled that feature for individuals who don't actually use the touchscreen and where that misbehavior is exhibiting itself.  The actual monitor is not the problem, it's the digitizer gone bad.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Are we sure it’s even a windows issue? I have focus s assist off and I don’t get notifications, I mean I do but I just silence them. I’m used to it. I guess turn off speech for now and see, or leave speech to beeps and you can type in WinWord             and correct mistakes. I did this for years without speech, but I know my way around a keyboard as I used to type dictated reports without speech when my sister got tired.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

 

My initial suggestion would be turning on Focus Assist in Win10.  If you open Settings and type focus in the search box it's the first item in the list of settings options that shows up in the list beneath the edit box where you're typing.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

Tyler Spivey
 

The first thing I would try is disabling NVDA's mouse tracking. You're probably moving the mouse, and it reads what's under it.

On 4/27/2021 5:51 AM, David Griffith wrote:
I think I must have inadvertently changed some verbosity setting  or focus  settings in NVDA.
My problem is that is keeps on making announcements from areas of the screen apart from the main Window in which I am working.
So for example I have just been listening to a lecture I recorded in VLC.
However NVDA keeps on interrupting the lecture by announcing things which are not at all useful like  for example most recently, “Show Desktop” and  “no new notifications”” which seem to relate to the Action Centre.
It seems to be announcing items and their status from the notification area and the Task Bar even when the focus is not on that area.
Does anybody know  why this might be happening and what I can do to resume normal focus verbosity.
Obviously I can turn speech off if listening to VLC but this is less useful if I am for example typing in Word.
David Griffith
or
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Re: Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

 

My initial suggestion would be turning on Focus Assist in Win10.  If you open Settings and type focus in the search box it's the first item in the list of settings options that shows up in the list beneath the edit box where you're typing.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

David Griffith
 

I think I must have inadvertently changed some verbosity setting  or focus  settings in NVDA.

My problem is that is keeps on making announcements from areas of the screen apart from the main Window in which I am working.

So for example I have just been listening to a lecture I recorded in VLC.

However NVDA keeps on interrupting the lecture by announcing things which are not at all useful like  for example most recently, “Show Desktop” and  “no new notifications”” which seem to relate to the Action Centre.

It seems to be announcing items and their status from the notification area and the Task Bar even when the focus is not on that area.

Does anybody know  why this might be happening and what I can do to resume normal focus verbosity.

Obviously I can turn speech off if listening to VLC but this is less useful if I am for example typing in Word.

David Griffith

 

 

or

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Reading just text in red

Tony Malykh
 

It would work in any browse mode, not only in browser. In particular, it should work in MS Word. Not sure about Excel though, I am not familiar with how NVDA interacts with it. You also mentioned email messages - it should work in both Outlook and Thunderbird - and any other email client as long as they present email in HTML format.

On 4/26/2021 3:05 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:

This would be perfect, except that I would need it on a normal application, rather than on the browser.

 

Thanks though, it is good to know of this add-on.

 

Best,

 

Fernando

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 26 April 2021 13:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading just text in red

 

Not quite what you're looking for, but in my BrowserNav add-on, I have a keystroke "Jump to next format change" assigned to tilde key by default (`). You can use it to find the next word written in a different color, but then you'd have to still manually check the color for example with NVDA+F keystroke.

HTH

--Tony

 

On 4/16/2021 1:36 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:

Dear all,

 

Does NVDA offer a way to read only the text which is shown in red, or only the text which is shown in a color other than the predominant color in a given e-mail message or Word/Excel document?

 

I sometimes get e-mail messages where someone has made comments in a color which is different from that of the text being commented. I am hoping there is a quick way to tell NVDA to just read that portion of the document.

 

Thanks,

 

Fernando

 


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

 

After this message, this topic is now locked:

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 06:14 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:
It is very easy to ignore things one does not use often. I do that all the time.

NVDA+S is something I use very often, and this is why it is an entirely different situation.
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And I, and a number of others, have told you how to solve your problem:  the NoBeepsSpeechMode Add-On.

For the love of heaven, you have nothing, nothing at all, to be complaining about!  Your issue had already been solved before you ever asked about it.  If you don't want beeps speech mode you need not have it. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Fernando Henrique Botelho <fbotelho@...>
 

It is very easy to ignore things one does not use often. I do that all the time.

NVDA+S is something I use very often, and this is why it is an entirely different situation.

Fernando

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 18:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

I honestly can't believe this is that big of a deal. Since some people value the setting of having beeps and as we do have an addon to block the setting from being shown may I ask why on earth this is even a thing? Those who like the feature obviously have a use for it. Those who don't need it can simply ignore it or installing an addon. I realize I can easily suppress this thread and I may well do so but is this really all that important? There are many screen reader features that I personally don't need or use. I ignore them. Can't others just do the same and get on with bigger issues?


David Goldfield,
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

I think a more reasonable solution to this would be to include a checkbox somewhere in NVDA settings, called "disable beeps speech mode".
In other words: make the current add-on part of core, behind a checkbox, maybe in advanced.

Related issue:
Changing the pitch of the beeps: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F9308&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C0cf0165ba34d458882b408d901e5056a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637542905410273245%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=l6K9hkP%2FWg%2BJvWrI1udpmoJtxY28GuOvro%2BCRhRyse4%3D&amp;reserved=0

Luke

Andre Fisher wrote:

Once for off, once for on. Twice for beeps, once for on. It's quite
simple. A maajority of the NVDA users out there don't use beeps, so
pressing twice for beeps would not rattle any new users out there. However, having to press once for off, then twice to turn it back on would certainly turn off new users to the screen reader, who may not know about add-ons and where to find them, or those who may not even be able to install add-ons in certain environments.


Re: Reading just text in red

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 05:58 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:
The problem is that the comments in red were sent on an e-mail in Outlook.
-
Which means that they are most likely in HTML, which means that the Add-On mentioned by Tony is likely applicable.

However, you're still going to have an issue with *only* what's in red (or whatever color) being spoken.  The searches I've tried will land you at the start of that text, but I don't know that the screen reader will read only what's highlighted as part of the find.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Noticing that "Family" being mispronounced with some speech engines

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 06:01 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
Somehow, I doubt this is the place for the prescriptivists and descriptivists to go to war.
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About which I agree entirely.  But I do think it's important to note that synths are going to go "descriptivist" in their pronunciations since common pronunciation is the ne plus ultra of what communicates what's intended.  That was really my central, and only, point.

We'd find it very strange were every English synth to speak The Queen's English, but with a regional/national accent.  I'd imagine the same applies no matter what the language.  Synths are trying to emulate common pronunciation as much as possible.

But, I'll come back to what I said at the outset:  NVAccess is not responsible for what synths do, nor do they change what synths do.  If you have a real issue complain to your synth's maker.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 

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