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Re: Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

Luke Davis
 

Hope Williamson wrote:

Yeah, I'm also amazed Skype is still around.
Since I think Teams does something similar, it's probably only a matter of time.

The creators of Skype went on to create Wire, which is supposed to be a secure alternative to Skype, since MS doesn't encrypt Skype calls and such.

Last time I tested Wire with NVDA, it was minimally accessible, but I believe I was able to make and receive calls after some fiddling. But that was a couple years ago.

Luke


Re: Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

g melconian <gmelconian619@...>
 

Nimer,I think your correct on that one. 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

 

Hello,

 

So far as I know, Microsoft did buy out Nuance, but the voices did not go to Microsoft, they were spun off to Cerence I believe. I do hope someone corrects me if I'm wrong.

 


 

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Re: Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

Hope Williamson
 

The strange thing about the Twitter Periscope thing was that it was a prelaunch acquisition. I mean, we could go all the way back to the Facebook FriendFeed thing, if necessary.

On 4/28/2021 2:06 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Don't forget twitter baught periscope then shut it down march 31 of this year. Apple baught beats, then shut it down, this was I think 2011 to about 2013 or so.

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On 28 Apr 2021, at 13:58, Hope Williamson wrote:

Here are some good examples of acquisitions that resulted in shutdowns. Twitter acquired a blogging platform in 2012.

https://www.theverge.com/2012/3/12/2865638/twitter-acquires-posterous-blogging-platform

They shut it down a year later.

https://www.techradar.com/news/internet/twitter-to-shut-down-posterous-blogging-service-on-april-30-1131657

Twitter did the same with Vine, which was a video sharing app. They acquired it in 2013.

https://marketingland.com/twitter-acquires-vine-launches-ios-app-for-sharing-6-second-videos-31630

It took about 3 years, but what was left of  Vine still got killed.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/27/twitter-is-shutting-down-vine/

On 4/28/2021 6:48 AM, Gene wrote:
Your assumption is unsupported.  As was said here by another member,, Microsoft bought the company for its speech recognition software.  Microsoft has ;purchased companies before to aquire software they want to further develop and integrate into Windows. 
 
You seem to assume that most acquisitions are for suppression.  While I would think some are to eliminate competition, that can hardly be assumed. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence
 

Probably doesn't do any development at all. Most likely will be just a patent troll.

On 4/28/2021 1:43 AM, zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz wrote:

Yep, Microsoft bought Nuance, and cerence is a new company, which develops all old good nuance products, including text to speech synthesizers like vocalizer and eloquence.


Re: Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

 

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 05:10 PM, Gene wrote:
You need to know something about the companies and why the acquiring company wants it.
-
Yep.  Mergers and acquisitions are done for a wide variety of reasons.  It's certainly not accurate to say that they are all based in the desire to "consolidate power" and knock-off the competition.
 
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Re: Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

mk360
 

Yeah, but we have good examples of companies that was acquired by others too and continue working. Facebook acquired instagram and whatsapp and these two apps are still existing. Microsoft (the one about we are speaking) acquired github and it is working fine, same about skype. Oracle acquired sum microsystems and Java still exist.


El 28/04/2021 a las 16:58, Hope Williamson escribió:

Here are some good examples of acquisitions that resulted in shutdowns. Twitter acquired a blogging platform in 2012.

https://www.theverge.com/2012/3/12/2865638/twitter-acquires-posterous-blogging-platform

They shut it down a year later.

https://www.techradar.com/news/internet/twitter-to-shut-down-posterous-blogging-service-on-april-30-1131657

Twitter did the same with Vine, which was a video sharing app. They acquired it in 2013.

https://marketingland.com/twitter-acquires-vine-launches-ios-app-for-sharing-6-second-videos-31630

It took about 3 years, but what was left of  Vine still got killed.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/27/twitter-is-shutting-down-vine/

On 4/28/2021 6:48 AM, Gene wrote:
Your assumption is unsupported.  As was said here by another member,, Microsoft bought the company for its speech recognition software.  Microsoft has ;purchased companies before to aquire software they want to further develop and integrate into Windows. 
 
You seem to assume that most acquisitions are for suppression.  While I would think some are to eliminate competition, that can hardly be assumed. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence
 

Probably doesn't do any development at all. Most likely will be just a patent troll.

On 4/28/2021 1:43 AM, zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz wrote:

Yep, Microsoft bought Nuance, and cerence is a new company, which develops all old good nuance products, including text to speech synthesizers like vocalizer and eloquence.


Re: Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

Gene
 

I didn’t say that companies don’t aquire other companies to shut them down but they aquire companies for all sorts of reasons.  They may want specific products or technology the company owns.  They may want to use technology from the company in their own products.  I’m saying that you can’t assume what a company will do because it aquires something.  You need to know something about the companies and why the aquiring company wants it. 
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence
 

Here are some good examples of acquisitions that resulted in shutdowns. Twitter acquired a blogging platform in 2012.

https://www.theverge.com/2012/3/12/2865638/twitter-acquires-posterous-blogging-platform

They shut it down a year later.

https://www.techradar.com/news/internet/twitter-to-shut-down-posterous-blogging-service-on-april-30-1131657

Twitter did the same with Vine, which was a video sharing app. They acquired it in 2013.

https://marketingland.com/twitter-acquires-vine-launches-ios-app-for-sharing-6-second-videos-31630

It took about 3 years, but what was left of  Vine still got killed.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/27/twitter-is-shutting-down-vine/

On 4/28/2021 6:48 AM, Gene wrote:
Your assumption is unsupported.  As was said here by another member,, Microsoft bought the company for its speech recognition software.  Microsoft has ;purchased companies before to aquire software they want to further develop and integrate into Windows. 
 
You seem to assume that most acquisitions are for suppression.  While I would think some are to eliminate competition, that can hardly be assumed. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence
 

Probably doesn't do any development at all. Most likely will be just a patent troll.

On 4/28/2021 1:43 AM, zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz wrote:

Yep, Microsoft bought Nuance, and cerence is a new company, which develops all old good nuance products, including text to speech synthesizers like vocalizer and eloquence.


Re: Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

Sarah k Alawami
 

Don't forget twitter baught periscope then shut it down march 31 of this year. Apple baught beats, then shut it down, this was I think 2011 to about 2013 or so.

Take care

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Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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Finally, you can support my work on happs, the network of now.

On 28 Apr 2021, at 13:58, Hope Williamson wrote:

Here are some good examples of acquisitions that resulted in shutdowns. Twitter acquired a blogging platform in 2012.

https://www.theverge.com/2012/3/12/2865638/twitter-acquires-posterous-blogging-platform

They shut it down a year later.

https://www.techradar.com/news/internet/twitter-to-shut-down-posterous-blogging-service-on-april-30-1131657

Twitter did the same with Vine, which was a video sharing app. They acquired it in 2013.

https://marketingland.com/twitter-acquires-vine-launches-ios-app-for-sharing-6-second-videos-31630

It took about 3 years, but what was left of  Vine still got killed.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/27/twitter-is-shutting-down-vine/

On 4/28/2021 6:48 AM, Gene wrote:
Your assumption is unsupported.  As was said here by another member,, Microsoft bought the company for its speech recognition software.  Microsoft has ;purchased companies before to aquire software they want to further develop and integrate into Windows. 
 
You seem to assume that most acquisitions are for suppression.  While I would think some are to eliminate competition, that can hardly be assumed. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence
 

Probably doesn't do any development at all. Most likely will be just a patent troll.

On 4/28/2021 1:43 AM, zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz wrote:

Yep, Microsoft bought Nuance, and cerence is a new company, which develops all old good nuance products, including text to speech synthesizers like vocalizer and eloquence.


Re: Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

Hope Williamson
 

Yeah, I'm also amazed Skype is still around.

On 4/28/2021 7:23 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

I amazed Skype still exists.



On 2021-04-28 9:48 a.m., Gene wrote:
Your assumption is unsupported.  As was said here by another member,, Microsoft bought the company for its speech recognition software.  Microsoft has ;purchased companies before to aquire software they want to further develop and integrate into Windows. 
 
You seem to assume that most acquisitions are for suppression.  While I would think some are to eliminate competition, that can hardly be assumed. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence
 

Probably doesn't do any development at all. Most likely will be just a patent troll.

On 4/28/2021 1:43 AM, zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz wrote:

Yep, Microsoft bought Nuance, and cerence is a new company, which develops all old good nuance products, including text to speech synthesizers like vocalizer and eloquence.


Re: Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

Hope Williamson
 

Here are some good examples of acquisitions that resulted in shutdowns. Twitter acquired a blogging platform in 2012.

https://www.theverge.com/2012/3/12/2865638/twitter-acquires-posterous-blogging-platform

They shut it down a year later.

https://www.techradar.com/news/internet/twitter-to-shut-down-posterous-blogging-service-on-april-30-1131657

Twitter did the same with Vine, which was a video sharing app. They acquired it in 2013.

https://marketingland.com/twitter-acquires-vine-launches-ios-app-for-sharing-6-second-videos-31630

It took about 3 years, but what was left of  Vine still got killed.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/27/twitter-is-shutting-down-vine/

On 4/28/2021 6:48 AM, Gene wrote:
Your assumption is unsupported.  As was said here by another member,, Microsoft bought the company for its speech recognition software.  Microsoft has ;purchased companies before to aquire software they want to further develop and integrate into Windows. 
 
You seem to assume that most acquisitions are for suppression.  While I would think some are to eliminate competition, that can hardly be assumed. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence
 

Probably doesn't do any development at all. Most likely will be just a patent troll.

On 4/28/2021 1:43 AM, zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz wrote:

Yep, Microsoft bought Nuance, and cerence is a new company, which develops all old good nuance products, including text to speech synthesizers like vocalizer and eloquence.


Re: Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

Hope Williamson
 

It isn't really a matter of what the purpose is. the result is usually
consolidation, which most often ends with something or another getting
done away with. That's usually part of whatever got acquired, or all of
it in most cases.


Re: question about automatic language switching in tony's enhancements addon

zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz
 

Hi Tony!

I’ve downloaded the latest git committed version of the addon.

I’ve found the bug with the language switching, that is, it doesn’t work with sapi5 synth, although all options were set.

Best,

Zvonimir

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about automatic language switching in tony's enhancements addon

 

Hi!

1. You're right; this is language code followed by regular expression for all letters of that language.
2. Assuming "el" is the right code for Greek, your line looks correct to me.
3.You can also google "regexp for greek" and compare yours to what other people are using.
4. Yes, you can delete Russian and Chinese - but it shouldn't affect anything.
HTH

Tony

 

On 4/28/2021 5:57 AM, Nikos Demetriou via groups.io wrote:

Hello.

Sorry if my question was asked before.

I am interested about language switching in tony's enhancements addon but I got a bit confused.

 

I enabled the automatic switching checkbox and I had a look at the edit language map section.

 

I asume the first line is the English one.

It says:

en:[a-zA-Z]

If I Understand right the first part is the language code for English.

 

Then in the brackets we have got a-z in lower cace and then A-Z in capitals.

 

Do we need the first and the last letter for each alphabet or we could put B-X for example?

How does it know the letters in between?

 

The language I am interested is Greek.

If I understand right I should write:

el:[α-ωΑ-ω]

 

Most synths won't be able to read this right I guess.

In the brackets I put the letters alpha and omega the first and the last letter of the Greek alphabet in lower and capital kace.

 

Assuming what I typed here is correct, can I delete the languages I don't need from the map such as the Russian, Chinese etc?

 

Thanks a lot.

Nikos


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 21.04 released #addonrelease

Pauline Smith
 

Thank you very much for your response.  Also, thank you for the reminder that the info can be found in the NVDA User manual and under which section.

Pauline

On 4/27/2021 5:50 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Pauline Smith wrote:

I'm sure this query has been answered more than once.  My apologies for asking again.  Where do you get this and other add-ons?
As explained in section 13.5 of the NVDA user manual:

From within the add-ons manager (NVDA+n, t, a), you can press the "get add-ons"
button, which will take you to the official add-ons website.
There you can download stable or development add-ons, and see what is available.

That is the same site for which you were given a link earlier.

Luke




Re: Welcome to the NVDA Community Add-ons website - Win Wizard #nvdaaddonsfeed

Sarah k Alawami
 

I love that thing. Actually Mason made it compatible for nvda 2020. Do you have that build? If not I can try and find it again.

 

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Welcome to the NVDA Community Add-ons website - Win Wizard #NVDAAddOnsFeed

 

Win Wizard

  • Author: Oriol Gómez, current maintenance by Łukasz Golonka
  • Download stable version
  • NVDA compatibility: 2019.3 and beyond

This add-on allows you to perform some operations on the focused window or the process associated with it.

Keyboard commands:

All these commands can be remapped from the Input gestures dialog in the Win Wizard category.

Hiding and showing hidden windows:

  • NVDA+Windows+numbers from 1 to 0 - hides currently focused window in the slot corresponding to the pressed number
  • NVDA+Windows+left arrow - moves to the previous stack of hidden windows.
  • NVDA+Windows+right arrow - moves to the next stack of hidden windows.
  • Windows+Shift+h - hides the currently focused window in the first available slot
  • NVDA+Windows+h - shows the last hidden window
  • Windows+Shift+l - shows the list of all hidden windows grouped by the stacks (please note that by default last hidden window is selected)

Managing processes:

  • Windows+F4 - kills the process associated with the currently focused window
  • NVDA+Windows+p - opens dialog allowing you to set priority of the process associated with the currently focused window

Miscellaneous commands:

  • NVDA+Windows+TAB - switches between top level windows of the current program (useful in foobar2000, Back4Sure etc.) Since this command moves the system focus it can be found in the System focus category of the Input gestures dialog.
  • CTRL+ALT+T - allows you to change title of the currently focused program

Changes:

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Re: question about automatic language switching in tony's enhancements addon

Tony Malykh
 

Hi!

1. You're right; this is language code followed by regular expression for all letters of that language.
2. Assuming "el" is the right code for Greek, your line looks correct to me.
3.You can also google "regexp for greek" and compare yours to what other people are using.
4. Yes, you can delete Russian and Chinese - but it shouldn't affect anything.
HTH

Tony


On 4/28/2021 5:57 AM, Nikos Demetriou via groups.io wrote:
Hello.
Sorry if my question was asked before.
I am interested about language switching in tony's enhancements addon but I got a bit confused.

I enabled the automatic switching checkbox and I had a look at the edit language map section.

I asume the first line is the English one.
It says:
en:[a-zA-Z]
If I Understand right the first part is the language code for English.

Then in the brackets we have got a-z in lower cace and then A-Z in capitals.

Do we need the first and the last letter for each alphabet or we could put B-X for example?
How does it know the letters in between?

The language I am interested is Greek.
If I understand right I should write:
el:[α-ωΑ-ω]

Most synths won't be able to read this right I guess.
In the brackets I put the letters alpha and omega the first and the last letter of the Greek alphabet in lower and capital kace.

Assuming what I typed here is correct, can I delete the languages I don't need from the map such as the Russian, Chinese etc?

Thanks a lot.
Nikos


Re: Reading Characters/words/sentences

 

Hi,

Eh? That’s a command reference based on really old NVDA version (the fac that there is no laptop command for status bar announcement command (NVDA+Shift+End) is the evidence of this). I’m sure others will advise you of this, but I recommend reading the quick reference guide for 2020.4 (NVDA menu/Help/Commands quick reference).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob Larmour via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading Characters/words/sentences

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I’m using NVDA version 2020.4 and have been using the following GUIDE.

 

In LAPTOP LAYOUT I cannot get all the following keyboard shortcuts to work in WORD, should it?

 

Can anybody help please.

 

 

Move review cursor to previous character

NVDA+m – Says ‘Mouse tracking off’

Move review cursor to start of line

NVDA+Shift+u – Capital U

Say current character at review cursor

NVDA+, - inserts a ,

move review cursor to next character

NVDA+. - WORKS

Move review cursor to end of line

NVDA+Shift+o – Reads current Line

Move review cursor to previous word

NVDA+j – inserts a J

Say current word at review cursor

NVDA+k – inserts a K

Move review cursor to next word

NVDA+l – input help on/off

Move review cursor to previous line

NVDA+u – says no progress bar updates

Move review cursor to first line

NVDA+7 – Focus moves navigator object on/off

Say current line at review cursor

NVDA+ i – Inserts an i

Move review cursor to next line

NVDA+o – Inserts an o

Move review cursor to last line

NVDA+9 –Inserts a 9

 

Regards

 

Rob Larmour

 

 

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Reading Characters/words/sentences

Rob Larmour
 

Hi Everyone,

 

I’m using NVDA version 2020.4 and have been using the following GUIDE.

 

In LAPTOP LAYOUT I cannot get all the following keyboard shortcuts to work in WORD, should it?

 

Can anybody help please.

 

 

Move review cursor to previous character

NVDA+m – Says ‘Mouse tracking off’

Move review cursor to start of line

NVDA+Shift+u – Capital U

Say current character at review cursor

NVDA+, - inserts a ,

move review cursor to next character

NVDA+. - WORKS

Move review cursor to end of line

NVDA+Shift+o – Reads current Line

Move review cursor to previous word

NVDA+j – inserts a J

Say current word at review cursor

NVDA+k – inserts a K

Move review cursor to next word

NVDA+l – input help on/off

Move review cursor to previous line

NVDA+u – says no progress bar updates

Move review cursor to first line

NVDA+7 – Focus moves navigator object on/off

Say current line at review cursor

NVDA+ i – Inserts an i

Move review cursor to next line

NVDA+o – Inserts an o

Move review cursor to last line

NVDA+9 –Inserts a 9

 

Regards

 

Rob Larmour

 


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Re: Welcome to the NVDA Community Add-ons website - Console Toolkit #nvdaaddonsfeed

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

FYI, it took 3 attempts to install this after downloading from the link given.  The first time cancelled the install with an error, the 2nd time it said the add-on was already installed, did I want to install anyway, which I replied Yes to and it seemed to install, so I restarted NVDA.  When I checked the Add-ons manager, it was not listed, so I tried again and it now appears in the add-ons list.

 

Cheers

Chris 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io Integration
Sent: 28 April 2021 12:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Welcome to the NVDA Community Add-ons website - Console Toolkit #NVDAAddOnsFeed

 

Console Toolkit

  • Author: Tony Malykh
  • Download stable version
  • NVDA compatibility: 2019.3 to 2020.3

Console Toolkit is NVDA add-on, that provides accessibility improvements for Windows console, also known as Command prompt. It also works well in Windows PowerShell. Some of the features may work in alternative terminals, such as Cygwin, PuTTY and Windows Terminal, however, the add-on has only been carefully tested with the default Windows Console. SSH users might find this add-on especially handy.

Some of the features were previously part of Tony's enhancements add-on.

Downloads

Console toolkit

Real-time console speech

This option makes NVDA to speak new lines immediately as they appear in console output, instead of queueing new speech utterances. For example, if NVDA is busy speaking a line that appeared on the screen 1 minute ago, and now a new line appears, this option will cancel speaking the old line and start speaking the new line right away, thus providing a more real-time feedback on what's happening in console window.

Beep on console updates

Beep a low pitch impulse every time console text is updated.

Enforce Control+V in consoles

This option makes Control+V shortcut to work inside ssh sessions.

Experimental: command prompt editing

Note: this feature is experimental. Please read this section carefully and make sure you understand how it works before reporting issues.

Press NVDA+E to identify current prompt in console window and edit it in an accessible "Edit prompt" window. After editing you can either press Escape to update current command line, or Enter to update and immediately execute command. Alternatively you can press Alt+F4 to close edit prompt window without updating command line.

This feature has been tested in Windows command prompt cmd.exe as well as in bash shell over ssh connections, as well as in WSL and cygwin. It might also work in alternative Unix shells, however it hasn't been tested.

Here is how add-on extracts current command. 1. It presses End key and then sends a control character, that is a rare Unicodecharacter not likely to be used anywhere. 2. Then it presses home key and sends another control character. 3. Then it waits for control characters to appear on the screen, which might take some time on slow SSH connections. 4. Command is what appears between two control characters. 5. When "Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available" option is enabled in NVDA settings, it sends one more control character in the beginning of the string. This is needed to parse multiline commands correctly: UIA implementation trims whitespaces in the end of each line, so in order to deduce whether there is a space between two lines, we need to shift them by one character. Please note, however, that this way we don't preserve the number of spaces between words, we only guarantee to preserve the presence of spaces. 6. Before editing add-on makes sure to remove control characters by placing cursor in the beginning and end and simulating Delete and Backspace key presses. 7. It presents command in "Edit prompt" window for user to view or edit. 8. After user presses Enter or Escape,it first erases current line in the console. This is achieved via one of four methods, the choice of the method is configurable. Currently four methods are supported: - Control+C: works in both cmd.exe and bash, but leaves previous prompt visible on the screen; doesn't work in emacs; sometimes unreliable on slow SSH connections - Escape: works only in cmd.exe"), - Control+A Control+K: works in bash and emacs; doesn't work in cmd.exe - Backspace (recommended): works in all environments; however slower and may cause corruption if the length of the line has changed 9. Then add-on simulates keystrokes to type the updated command and optionally simulates Enter key press.

Troubleshooting: - Verify that 'Home', 'End', 'Delete' and 'Backspace' keys work as expected in your console. - Verify that your console supports Unicode characters. Some ssh connections don't support Unicode. - Verify that selected deleting method works in your console.

Experimental: capturing command output

Note: this feature is experimental. Please read this section carefully and make sure you understand how it works before reporting issues.

While in command line or in "Edit prompt" window, press Control+Enter to capture command output. This add-on is capable of capturing large output that spans multiple screens, although when output is larger than 10 screens capturing process takes significant time to complete. Add-on will play a long chime sound, and it will last as long as the add-on is capturing the output of currently running command, or until timeout has been reached. Alternatively, press NVDA+E to interrupt capturing.

When "Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available" feature is enabled in NVDA settings, you can switch to other windows while capturing is going on. However, if this option is disabled, then NVDA is using a legacy console code, that only works when consoel is focused, and therefore switching to any other window will pause capturing.

Command capturing works by redirecting command output to less command. Default suffix that is appended to commands is: |less -c 2>&1 Please only change it if you know what you're doing. This add-on knows how to interact with the output of less command to retrieve output page by page.

On Windows less.exe tool needs to be installed separately. You can install it via cygwin, or download a windows binary elsewhere.

If you are using tmux or screen in Linux, please make sure that no status line is displayed in the bottom. In tmux run tmux set status off to get rid of status line, or modify your tmux.conf file.

Troubleshooting: - After a failed output capturing attempt, press UpArrow in the console to check what command has actually been executed. - Revert back to default capturing suffix, mentioned above. - Try troubleshooting steps from "command prompt editing" section.

 


Re: Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

Chris Smart
 

I amazed Skype still exists.



On 2021-04-28 9:48 a.m., Gene wrote:
Your assumption is unsupported.  As was said here by another member,, Microsoft bought the company for its speech recognition software.  Microsoft has ;purchased companies before to aquire software they want to further develop and integrate into Windows. 
 
You seem to assume that most acquisitions are for suppression.  While I would think some are to eliminate competition, that can hardly be assumed. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence
 

Probably doesn't do any development at all. Most likely will be just a patent troll.

On 4/28/2021 1:43 AM, zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz wrote:

Yep, Microsoft bought Nuance, and cerence is a new company, which develops all old good nuance products, including text to speech synthesizers like vocalizer and eloquence.


Re: Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

 

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 09:48 AM, Gene wrote:
Microsoft bought the company for its speech recognition software.  Microsoft has ;purchased companies before to aquire software they want to further develop and integrate into Windows. 
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The antecedent to the "patent troll" comment would have been, "cerence is a new company, which develops all old good nuance products, including text to speech synthesizers like vocalizer and eloquence."
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence

Gene
 

Your assumption is unsupported.  As was said here by another member,, Microsoft bought the company for its speech recognition software.  Microsoft has ;purchased companies before to aquire software they want to further develop and integrate into Windows. 
 
You seem to assume that most acquisitions are for suppression.  While I would think some are to eliminate competition, that can hardly be assumed. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Petition · open source ETI-Eloquence
 

Probably doesn't do any development at all. Most likely will be just a patent troll.

On 4/28/2021 1:43 AM, zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz wrote:

Yep, Microsoft bought Nuance, and cerence is a new company, which develops all old good nuance products, including text to speech synthesizers like vocalizer and eloquence.

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