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Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

 

Not sure why you would use beeps as such either.

Onecore is the new way windows does its voices, I think its the same stuff as cortana.


With the right voices and a few extras you can get extra access to some of those though sapi is the prefered platform.

Maybe there are slight quality improvements but its slight.

On 4/05/2021 12:35 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob




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Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Gene
 

I’m not sure if this is more than you are asking.  My understanding is that One Core voices aren’t SAPI.  MSAPI, I believe that stands for Microsoft Speech Application program interface, is a standard that anyone can use to make compatible synthesizers for Windows.  I don’t know what MSAPI voices Microsoft may have but there are a lot of companies and developers who have developed MSAPI voices.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics
 
Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob





Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Luke Davis
 

Hi Bob

To your second question: the NVDA+s "beeps speech mode" option, replaces all speech with quiet, high-frequency beeps.

So any time your computer talks, or you try to read the screen, etc., you will get a short burst of beeps.

It is potentially useful when you want to know things are still happening on your computer, without hearing the details.
For example, if you are running an encoding process that prints unhelpful verbose messages to the screen. You want to know when it's finished, but you don't want to be distracted by the messages. Set to beeps speech mode, and you will get mostly unintrusive beeps instead.
When they stop, you know it's time to switch back to speech mode talk.

The progress bar beeps mode is just that: when a true progress bar is in a window, you can have the progress of that progress bar spoken in percentage, or emitted as beeps that get higher in pitch as the progress bar progresses.

And now, after typing that sentence, I feel the need to say: how much progress could a progress bar make, if a progress bar could make progress?

--
Luke

"I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. I only know what I can do." -James T. Kirk


Announcing Graphics in Browse mode when using Email program

Sam Taylor
 

Hello all,

When reading mail line by line using NVDA, I want to be notified of a graphic such as an in-line picture, or a signature. The only way I know that this is on-screen is by using object navigation. Thunderbird is my email program of choice.
Is there a way to accomplish what I'm requesting via an add-on or a setting which I may not have found?
Thanks
Sam


Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft.  SAPI5 is an older standard which is still widely used so you may find some third party software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use SAPI 5 voices, but not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't want to hear it talking all the time.  If you don't have a need for this mode, there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob







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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Sarah k Alawami
 

For your second question the beeps mode only beeps when the screen changes. It won't talk.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 5:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5 voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob


a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob


Re: OCR with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Yes being able to only OCR what is visible on screen is definitely a limitation.  I normally recommend setting documents to 100% zoom or page width etc.  If you have the document zoomed out so you can see 100 pages on screen, NVDA won't be able to recognise any text on such small pages.  If you have it zoomed in so you can only see one character, that's all it will be able to recognise.  Knowing the limitations, the OCR feature is useful, but doesn't replace a fully functional OCR program.


On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 7:27 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 05:23 PM, Sascha Cowley wrote:
The Windows 10 OCR built in to NVDA only recognises text that is visible on screen.
-
Thanks.  This is what I thought I had recalled about the scope of what gets OCRed.  Not that this can't be handy, that's for sure, but if I want an entire file OCRed I pre-process with the OCR software of my choosing before ever opening it in the PDF reader of my choosing.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 



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Re: OCR with NVDA

 

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 05:23 PM, Sascha Cowley wrote:
The Windows 10 OCR built in to NVDA only recognises text that is visible on screen.
-
Thanks.  This is what I thought I had recalled about the scope of what gets OCRed.  Not that this can't be handy, that's for sure, but if I want an entire file OCRed I pre-process with the OCR software of my choosing before ever opening it in the PDF reader of my choosing.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: OCR with NVDA

Sascha Cowley
 

The Windows 10 OCR built in to NVDA only recognises text that is visible on screen.


Re: OCR with NVDA

mk360
 

Hi,

How you located on the object to recognise? what commands you used to review the text? Keep in mind that you need to place the object navigator on the object where you will use OCR, press VNDA r, and use object review commands to see the results.

Regards,

mk.

El 03/05/2021 a las 16:18, David Kingsbury escribió:

Hi all,

Using the most recent version of NVDA, I installed the OCR addon, made sure my recognition language was English, and attempted to run OCR on a scanned PDF by pressing NVDA +R. It says OCR running and then done, but nothing appears. Any idea what I am doing wrong?

Thanks,

David

 

 


Re: OCR with NVDA

 

Are you certain that there is text to recognize?

Also, and someone else with more expertise than I can answer this, will NVDA OCR (which uses Windows 10 OCR) actually process an entire document or just the portion visible on the screen?  The User Guide and Quick Commands Reference both state, "To recognize the text in the current navigator object using Windows 10 OCR, press NVDA+r."  I have never been entirely clear as to what the scope of "the current navigator object" is in this context.
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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


OCR with NVDA

David Kingsbury
 

Hi all,

Using the most recent version of NVDA, I installed the OCR addon, made sure my recognition language was English, and attempted to run OCR on a scanned PDF by pressing NVDA +R. It says OCR running and then done, but nothing appears. Any idea what I am doing wrong?

Thanks,

David

 

 


Add-on Updater 21.05 released, extra steps required for NVDA alpha snapshot users #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

Add-on Updater May 2021 update is now available. This update fixes a critical compatibility issue with latest NVDA Development releases (specifically, alpha snapshots) and will start checking for updates to Console Toolkit, WinWizard, and Word Nav.

IMPORTANT NOTICE for NVDA alpha snapshot users: when trying to upgrade from earlier add-on releases, you will notice that Add-on Updater does not display results and NVDA plays error tones. You can use one of the following workarounds to upgrade to Add-on Updater 21.05:

  1. Download Add-on Updater 21.05 from: https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=nvda3208
  2. Open Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z) then type the following as exactly as shown (press Enter after each line):

import wx

wx.CENTER_ON_SCREEN = 6

 

After that, press Escape and Add-on Updater will present update check results. I advise using the first option as it is easier, and you won’t have to go through manual (or extra) steps in future releases unless the situation changes again.

The above workarounds are not applicable if you are using NVDA 2020.4 or earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph


Is the SAP application accessible using NVDA?

vasu prathap
 
Edited

Hi friends,

Is SAP accessible using NVDA? Do you have any suggestions for manuals or websites on how to access SAP using NVDA? Thank you.


Re: NVDA and Ardour

Sarah k Alawami
 

There is a groups.io list you can look for. They are very helpful there. Also google for the reaper accessibility wiki. Lots of info there.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vinod Benjamin
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Ardour

Dear team,

Is there any tutorial for Reaper , with NVDA.

it would be great if some one could help me with.

Regards,

Vinod Benjamin

On 5/2/21, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:
Shaun Everiss wrote:

Of course you can build this yourself but they simply don't tell you
how to build this for windows.
Though there is this (pay special attention to the comments):
https://discourse.ardour.org/t/building-ardour-on-windows-with-msys2/8
8079

But that said, Shaun is right. Unless Ardour really does something
that just nothing else on the planet can do--and I find that very
unlikely--almost any other solution is going to be preferable to going
down this path.

Try Audacity.
If it's not enough, pay for Reaper. It's worth it in time if not in
features, and it is worth it in features.

Luke






Re: NVDA and Ardour

Vinod Benjamin
 

Dear team,

Is there any tutorial for Reaper , with NVDA.

it would be great if some one could help me with.

Regards,

Vinod Benjamin

On 5/2/21, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:
Shaun Everiss wrote:

Of course you can build this yourself but they simply don't tell you how
to build this for windows.
Though there is this (pay special attention to the comments):
https://discourse.ardour.org/t/building-ardour-on-windows-with-msys2/88079

But that said, Shaun is right. Unless Ardour really does something that
just nothing else on the planet can do--and I find that very
unlikely--almost any other solution is going to be preferable to going
down this path.

Try Audacity.
If it's not enough, pay for Reaper. It's worth it in time if not in
features, and it is worth it in features.

Luke






Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

dennis huckle
 

How do I replicate ctrl N or alt N using a Focus 14 braille display using the latest braille extender add on and latest version of NVDA?

I am new to NVDA groups so want to make sure I am sending to the group to get my question answered and enter further discussions about this excellent screen reader.


Kind regards,

Dennis Huckle

 


Re: NVDA - Missing OneCore Voices on New Laptop

Bill Chilcott
 

Hi Jackie. Thank-you so much for your excellent step by step instructions. I now have all the voices I want. You're a star!
All best wishes.
Bill.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: 01 May 2021 05:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Missing OneCore Voices on New Laptop

Hello, Bill. Please do the folowing:
1) Go to settings (windows key + i) then to 'time & language' & press enter.
2) From there, arrow down to 'speech' & press enter.
3) Tab to the 'add voices' button & activate.
4) Arrow down through the voice languages, press spacebar on the 1 you
want, then tab to the 'add' button & activate it.

On 5/1/21, Bill Chilcott via groups.io
<maybill=btopenworld.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Jackie. I'm afraid that didn't work. That only allows me to install one
of the voices that are already in the list, but my problem is the voices I
used to have are not there. So therefore I need to download the extra
voices. Can you give me a step by step guide as to how to do this. Thanks
for your help so far.
Bill.




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: 30 April 2021 05:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Missing OneCore Voices on New Laptop

A couple things here, Bill.

1) Please go to your synthesizer settings in NVDA & press control +
NVDA key + s, or press NVDA + n > preferences > settings > speech &
then tab to & activate the change button. Either way, you should now
be in the synthesizer dialog.

2) Arrow down to "1 core voices" & press enter.

3)Tab once to voice & choose the 1 you want. Make other changes as
desired. Press ok twice.

Please let us know if that doesn't work for you, as you may need to
install the 1-core voices, & I didn't go over that here.

On 4/30/21, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
wrote:
The most obvious thing to try is to restart NVDA and if that doesnt work
then RESTART the laptop

And finally if all else fails then remove and add the voices again



From: Bill Chilcott via groups.io
Sent: 30 April 2021 16:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA - Missing OneCore Voices on New Laptop

Hi folks. I have just changed my laptop and, on re-installing NVDA
Windows
one core voices, I noticed I have not got David, Susan and Mark. Is there
any way of getting these voices back, especially David, which I used all
the
time? Any help over this would be gratefully appreciated.
Regards, Bill.













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Re: Require help to convert image PDFs into text PDF documents

ss sarfudeen
 

Hello list members,

The built-in OCR feature of NVDA doesn't work in this document.

Regards,

Sultana

On 5/2/21, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:
If the image is reasonably good, links convert well. Actuallly I have
clicked on URLs in scanned letters from my mailbox and they work.

On 5/1/2021 3:21 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
enes sarıbaş wrote:

You actually can get images, links and headings ETC. Finereader is
able to do this.
I sit corrected. I have never used that product, so wasn't aware.

Links, as raw http addresses, I can understand. For domain names, it's
easy enough; but when you get to things after the first slash or
question mark, they tend to get hairy, and you are at the mercy of the
recognition engine--one character goes wrong, and poof.

Luke








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