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Re: NVDA - Inconsistent Behavior when working with MS-Outlook

Nimer Jaber
 

Seriously though, Matt, this sounds like odd behavior. I am wondering whether browse mode is on or off when trying to read the messages, whether Outlook is maximized, whether any additional add-ons are running... also, I don't like to assume, so what keyboard keys are being used to read messages in Outlook?


On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 9:24 AM Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

NVDA is pretty inefficient with Outlook I would say.

 

Just load Narrator, check the box in settings that says Make The Narrator More Efficient in outlook and be happy.

 

It will just read the messages, no fuss.

 

NVDA’s problem is that it can’t cope well with graphics heavy messages, it appears to me.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Peters
Sent: 22 April 2021 15:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA - Inconsistent Behavior when working with MS-Outlook

 

Greetings,

 

I am a IT guy trying to find solutions for a colleague who uses NVDA. A quick history. My colleague was first introduced to NVDA about a year ago when his computer was upgraded from Windows XP to Windows 10. This required a new screen reader solution which is when I found NVDA. He started using NVDA with relatively few issues and it was running well for the last year. He predominantly uses the desktop for email and OCR tasks so I had Office 2016 and Kurzweil 1000 installed. Recently his computer needed replacement so I set him up with a new computer with Windows 10 release 19042 and Office 2019. We immediately had issues with Outlook. Most of the issues revolve around opening of the email message. Initially I thought this may be due to the Office 2019 install so I rolled it back to Office 2016. This helped a little but issues still exist. One example that started today rather abruptly was that NVDA would read the header information for the message that was opened but would not read the body. I found that I could get some read by right clicking the mouse then left clicking, but that would only read the line the cursor was on. I’ve tried restarting both NVDA and Outlook as well as the computer without any success. I feel like I may not have Outlook or NVDA configured properly. Could anyone provide some insight on what maybe happening and any steps I could take towards rectifying it?

 

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Re: NVDA - Inconsistent Behavior when working with MS-Outlook

Nimer Jaber
 

Just use Gmail on the web with the standard interface and see all your Outlook frustrations go out the window.


On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 9:24 AM Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

NVDA is pretty inefficient with Outlook I would say.

 

Just load Narrator, check the box in settings that says Make The Narrator More Efficient in outlook and be happy.

 

It will just read the messages, no fuss.

 

NVDA’s problem is that it can’t cope well with graphics heavy messages, it appears to me.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Peters
Sent: 22 April 2021 15:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA - Inconsistent Behavior when working with MS-Outlook

 

Greetings,

 

I am a IT guy trying to find solutions for a colleague who uses NVDA. A quick history. My colleague was first introduced to NVDA about a year ago when his computer was upgraded from Windows XP to Windows 10. This required a new screen reader solution which is when I found NVDA. He started using NVDA with relatively few issues and it was running well for the last year. He predominantly uses the desktop for email and OCR tasks so I had Office 2016 and Kurzweil 1000 installed. Recently his computer needed replacement so I set him up with a new computer with Windows 10 release 19042 and Office 2019. We immediately had issues with Outlook. Most of the issues revolve around opening of the email message. Initially I thought this may be due to the Office 2019 install so I rolled it back to Office 2016. This helped a little but issues still exist. One example that started today rather abruptly was that NVDA would read the header information for the message that was opened but would not read the body. I found that I could get some read by right clicking the mouse then left clicking, but that would only read the line the cursor was on. I’ve tried restarting both NVDA and Outlook as well as the computer without any success. I feel like I may not have Outlook or NVDA configured properly. Could anyone provide some insight on what maybe happening and any steps I could take towards rectifying it?

 

Matt Peters

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Re: NVDA - Inconsistent Behavior when working with MS-Outlook

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

NVDA is pretty inefficient with Outlook I would say.

 

Just load Narrator, check the box in settings that says Make The Narrator More Efficient in outlook and be happy.

 

It will just read the messages, no fuss.

 

NVDA’s problem is that it can’t cope well with graphics heavy messages, it appears to me.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Peters
Sent: 22 April 2021 15:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA - Inconsistent Behavior when working with MS-Outlook

 

Greetings,

 

I am a IT guy trying to find solutions for a colleague who uses NVDA. A quick history. My colleague was first introduced to NVDA about a year ago when his computer was upgraded from Windows XP to Windows 10. This required a new screen reader solution which is when I found NVDA. He started using NVDA with relatively few issues and it was running well for the last year. He predominantly uses the desktop for email and OCR tasks so I had Office 2016 and Kurzweil 1000 installed. Recently his computer needed replacement so I set him up with a new computer with Windows 10 release 19042 and Office 2019. We immediately had issues with Outlook. Most of the issues revolve around opening of the email message. Initially I thought this may be due to the Office 2019 install so I rolled it back to Office 2016. This helped a little but issues still exist. One example that started today rather abruptly was that NVDA would read the header information for the message that was opened but would not read the body. I found that I could get some read by right clicking the mouse then left clicking, but that would only read the line the cursor was on. I’ve tried restarting both NVDA and Outlook as well as the computer without any success. I feel like I may not have Outlook or NVDA configured properly. Could anyone provide some insight on what maybe happening and any steps I could take towards rectifying it?

 

Matt Peters

Network & Systems Administrator

St. Johnsbury Academy

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(802) 751-2390​

 

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Re: Where are we with Seika braille displays driver?

 

Hi,
It is indeed being worked on - latest news from GitHub is that folks are testing it after porting Seika driver to Python 3, which took a while to complete.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 4:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Where are we with Seika braille displays driver?

Hello all,


For ages now, the Seika braille displays no longer work with NVDA. there are several issues, some of which have always been there, but the most annoying one, which prevents me from owrking at all, is the impossibility to pan horizontally along a line.


One can only see the first 40 charachets of any line, after which there is no other way to move on than right-arrowing till the display finally reaches the second part of the line.


I read more than once, on this list as well, that the problem was being worked on, but to date I have no news of a solution.


Have i missed anything? It's quite possible, sice I haven't followed the
list much lately, but I haven't found naything relevant in the arhive.


Sorry if there are posts that I have missed.


Mods, please, don't bite my head off if the question has already been
answered! lol!


Stay safe,

Ollie


Re: Where are we with Seika braille displays driver?

Deenadayalan Moodley
 

Hi Ollie,

I recently had to setup a Seika V5 braille display. According to the person who is using it, it is now working well. But, I must add, it is the first time this person is using a braille display and may not be getting the best out of this unit.

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, 05 May 2021 13:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Where are we with Seika braille displays driver?

Hello all,


For ages now, the Seika braille displays no longer work with NVDA. there are several issues, some of which have always been there, but the most annoying one, which prevents me from owrking at all, is the impossibility to pan horizontally along a line.


One can only see the first 40 charachets of any line, after which there is no other way to move on than right-arrowing till the display finally reaches the second part of the line.


I read more than once, on this list as well, that the problem was being worked on, but to date I have no news of a solution.


Have i missed anything? It's quite possible, sice I haven't followed the
list much lately, but I haven't found naything relevant in the arhive.


Sorry if there are posts that I have missed.


Mods, please, don't bite my head off if the question has already been
answered! lol!


Stay safe,

Ollie


Re: Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

dennis huckle
 

Thanks Brian,

I have contacted the developer as you kindly suggested.

I feel sure that something will bee achieved.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 05 May 2021 16:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

 

Dennis,

           This add-on is still under active development and maintenance.  If you are sufficiently Python-proficient to make these sorts of changes, I would strongly encourage you to make contact with the current maintainers of the add-on and discuss joining them in the effort.

            The page Rui cited gives the email address of the primary (perhaps sole) developer:  André-Abush CLAUSE <dev@...>         
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Re: OCR with NVDA

Bernd Dorer
 

Hi Quentin,

i tried to scan a pdf in full screen mode and the results wit windows 10 OCR were really bad while ocr with tesserract were really good. In my point of view the OCR addon should updated with a new versio of tesserract.
I asked the Author which is busy at the moment.

best regards

Bernd

Am 05.05.2021 um 01:54 schrieb Quentin Christensen:

NVDA will work on scanned PDFs, although with the caveat noted earlier about the amount visible on screen.

I believe, Jaws has a commercial OCR engine, and just like Eloquence, the cost of that is part of what you pay for Jaws.  If you would like the same for NVDA, purchasing something like Abbyy FineReader will give you more OCR functionality using NVDA.

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:39 AM David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I was trying to recognize a scanned PDF. JAWS Convenient OCR does this very nicely, but after first saying “empty document.” Sounds like the NVDA OCR will not work on scanned PDFs if they start out as empty documents. Is this correct?

David



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Re: Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

 

Dennis,

           This add-on is still under active development and maintenance.  If you are sufficiently Python-proficient to make these sorts of changes, I would strongly encourage you to make contact with the current maintainers of the add-on and discuss joining them in the effort.

            The page Rui cited gives the email address of the primary (perhaps sole) developer:  André-Abush CLAUSE <>         
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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

dennis huckle
 

Thanks Brian,

I’ll have another look but can’t find any keystrokes that allow me to do what I want.

There are about 66 key strokes listed like ctrl.

Function keys and alt.

But no notification as to how to follow ctrl with n or alt f.

Thanks kindly for looking at this for me.

I’m new to nvda and also this group.

In the braille section of nvda settings the only display that suits the focus displays seems to be auto.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 05 May 2021 16:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 10:52 AM, dennis huckle wrote:

Can anybody tell me how I can get the source code for the braille extender add on for nvda

-
Almost all of the NVDA add-ons are hosted on GitHub and since they're open source anyone is free to take the code and modify it to their heart's content.  BrailleExtender GitHub Page.

That being said, are you certain that what you're looking for may not already be possible?  The page for the add-on clearly states, "Once the add-on is installed, read the documentation and go through the settings using the BrailleExtender menu (located at the root of NVDA menu). The documentation is mainly generated automatically because it depends on the braille display in use."

What's available is directly dependent on the braille display that you're using.
 
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Re: Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 10:52 AM, dennis huckle wrote:
Can anybody tell me how I can get the source code for the braille extender add on for nvda
-
Almost all of the NVDA add-ons are hosted on GitHub and since they're open source anyone is free to take the code and modify it to their heart's content.  BrailleExtender GitHub Page.

That being said, are you certain that what you're looking for may not already be possible?  The page for the add-on clearly states, "Once the add-on is installed, read the documentation and go through the settings using the BrailleExtender menu (located at the root of NVDA menu). The documentation is mainly generated automatically because it depends on the braille display in use."

What's available is directly dependent on the braille display that you're using.
 
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Re: Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

See at:

https://andreabc.net/projects/NVDA_addons/BrailleExtender


Rui Fontes


Às 15:52 de 05/05/2021, dennis huckle escreveu:

Can anybody tell me how I can get the source code for the braille extender add on for nvda
I don't of course wish to breach any copy right but may consider writing my own add on to try and replicate some jaws functions for nvda if that's allowed.
Kind regards,
Dennis huckle.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan COHN via groups.io
Sent: 05 May 2021 12:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

Hello,
In general, one can assign NVDA commands to key strokes within the gestures area of the main NVDA settings. I have no idea what features or documentation there is for the this add--on. But since NVDA does define several keystrokes for displays, I have to assume that at least those keystrokes that NVDA extends to provide some feedback should be easily mapped in NVDA to braille keys.
I decided t follow this thread hopping to hear about the basics of the braille extender but nobody has replied.
Take care!
Jonathan










Re: Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

dennis huckle
 

Can anybody tell me how I can get the source code for the braille extender add on for nvda
I don't of course wish to breach any copy right but may consider writing my own add on to try and replicate some jaws functions for nvda if that's allowed.
Kind regards,
Dennis huckle.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan COHN via groups.io
Sent: 05 May 2021 12:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

Hello,
In general, one can assign NVDA commands to key strokes within the gestures area of the main NVDA settings. I have no idea what features or documentation there is for the this add--on. But since NVDA does define several keystrokes for displays, I have to assume that at least those keystrokes that NVDA extends to provide some feedback should be easily mapped in NVDA to braille keys.
I decided t follow this thread hopping to hear about the basics of the braille extender but nobody has replied.
Take care!
Jonathan


Re: Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 07:30 AM, Jonathan COHN wrote:
I decided t follow this thread hopping to hear about the basics of the braille extender but nobody has replied.
-
It would be wise to create a dedicated topic if you're trying to get this sort of discussion going.
 
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Re: NVDA Stopped Reading Putty

Thomas N. Chan
 

For my experience with shell client like putty, I usually create session log which I can review on the go or later.
Sometimes, the session or information are way too long or too much that any screen reader cannot pick up or overlook.
 
Thats what I will do to cover my reviewing part just in case I didn't hear it or screen reader miss it.

 
Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


Re: Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

dennis huckle
 

Thank you,
We're getting a little further forward now.
Could you give me an example.
Suppose I want to do ctrl+n on the braille display.
I know there is a chorded command for ctrl so What do I do in input gestures to replicate the rest of the command I want to achieve.
In jaws for example the command is produced by dots 3 and dot 8 chorded,then release and immediately press braille letter n.
I am sure you will help if you can.
Nice to have joined this group.
Kind regards,
Dennis huckle.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan COHN via groups.io
Sent: 05 May 2021 12:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

Hello,
In general, one can assign NVDA commands to key strokes within the gestures area of the main NVDA settings. I have no idea what features or documentation there is for the this add--on. But since NVDA does define several keystrokes for displays, I have to assume that at least those keystrokes that NVDA extends to provide some feedback should be easily mapped in NVDA to braille keys.
I decided t follow this thread hopping to hear about the basics of the braille extender but nobody has replied.
Take care!
Jonathan


Re: Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,
In general, one can assign NVDA commands to key strokes within the gestures area of the main NVDA settings. I have no idea what features or documentation there is for the this add--on. But since NVDA does define several keystrokes for displays, I have to assume that at least those keystrokes that NVDA extends to provide some feedback should be easily mapped in NVDA to braille keys.
I decided t follow this thread hopping to hear about the basics of the braille extender but nobody has replied.
Take care!
Jonathan


Where are we with Seika braille displays driver?

Mallard
 

Hello all,


For ages now, the Seika braille displays no longer work with NVDA. there are several issues, some of which have always been there, but the most annoying one, which prevents me from owrking at all, is the impossibility to pan horizontally along a line.


One can only see the first 40 charachets of any line, after which there is no other way to move on than right-arrowing till the display finally reaches the second part of the line.


I read more than once, on this list as well, that the problem was being worked on, but to date I have no news of a solution.


Have i missed anything? It's quite possible, sice I haven't followed the list much lately, but I haven't found naything relevant in the arhive.


Sorry if there are posts that I have missed.


Mods, please, don't bite my head off if the question has already been answered! lol!


Stay safe,

Ollie


Reading MS Outlook emails with UIA settings

Vaibhav Saraf
 

Hi Group,

In recent times I have seen many discussions around reading Outlook emails with UIA settings on. Today I got a particular instance where I might need to use that.

My teammate sent me a shape from Outlook Insert tab options with an alt on it. NVDA doesn't recognizes it, Narrator reads it comfortably. I guess it can be a protocol issue. Can someone guide me on how to turn on UIA in my NVDA?

Also there is a question from my teammate's side. If she is going to put this in a marketing campaign and send then what is the amount of users she will be actually addressing? Considering that most sr users in her target are NVDA users. In general how many users would be reading Outlook emails with UIA on?

Thanks,
Vaibhav


Re: OCR with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

NVDA will work on scanned PDFs, although with the caveat noted earlier about the amount visible on screen.

I believe, Jaws has a commercial OCR engine, and just like Eloquence, the cost of that is part of what you pay for Jaws.  If you would like the same for NVDA, purchasing something like Abbyy FineReader will give you more OCR functionality using NVDA.

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:39 AM David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I was trying to recognize a scanned PDF. JAWS Convenient OCR does this very nicely, but after first saying “empty document.” Sounds like the NVDA OCR will not work on scanned PDFs if they start out as empty documents. Is this correct?

David



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Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA Stopped Reading Putty

Luke Davis
 

No idea in particular, but you might try the windows native ssh client. It may work better for some reason.
Or open a bash shell under WSL, and use SSH from there.

As for NVDA: try starting it with add-ons disabled. It may be that there was an add-on update, and it had a negative effect.

I don't know if the COM Registration Fixing Tool can help you here, but it won't hurt to try it (NVDA tools menu).

Also, normal Windows trouble shooting steps of
SFC /ScanNow
and:
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

Might help, depending on what's actually wrong.

Luke
May the fourth be with you all.

Gary wrote:

I am using the latest release of NVDA (2020.4) on Windows 10. My job
requires that I work on Linux systems ll day, which I do via Putty.
This afternoon, out of nowhere, NVDA stopped automatically reading the
output of the Putty windows, making my job impossible. I'm dead in
the water, basically.

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