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Re: Strange problem with NVDA and LibreOffice

 

hi quentin.
i remember that i reported thiss issue in libreoffice bug report page,
or at least wrote comment and confirmed thiss issue in the previous
years.
but unfortunately i dont remember the link that i can send it.
i did not use libreoffice since version 6 and dont know that whether
newer versions are more accessible with nvda or not.

On 4/29/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
I believe so - but it's always tricky with issues like that, to know
exactly where the problem needs to be addressed, so absolutely do keep
raising such things here - and also do contact the other program developer
- LibreOffice in this case about it as well) - the more they know about
things which are problematic for their users, the more likely they are to
make it a higher priority. I think there was a linked LibreOffice issue
(on LibreOffice's Bugzilla tracker) as well.

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:05 PM Michael Chopra <michaelchopra38@...>
wrote:

Hi. Yes, I read all of that and that appears to be the issue that I'm
talking about. According to that GitHub issue, this appears to be
something that needs to be fixed in LibreOffice, is that right?
Thanks.
From Michael.

On 29/04/2021, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,

Is this the issue you are facing:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4119 There's a lot of
discussion
on that issue, but basically, you press NVDA+down arrow / NVDA+a to say
all, and NVDA only reads the first line or two of the document and
stops?

If so, the workaround I found seems to be effective, is to load your
document, press CONTROL+END to jump to the end of the document, then
control+home back to the start, and then try say all.

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:48 AM Michael Chopra <
michaelchopra38@...>
wrote:

Hi everyone. I have a strange problem. It appears when using the ?Say
all"
command in NVDA with LibreOffice, the command does not work as
expected.
I
use Caps lock as my NVDA modifier key and when I press it, normally it
would start reading from the current cursor positon to the end of the
document. It is not doing that in this instance. If I use the same
command
in Word, it works as expected.
I've been able to reproduce the issue multiple times and was wondering
what was going on here. I'm using Version: 7.1.2.2 (x64 of
LibreOffice.
I
have a friend who was also able to reproduce the issue, we have both
now
switched back to word because of it.
My question then is this, is it an NVDA problem or is it a problem for
LibreOffice to fix?
I'm also using the latest version of NVDA as well.
Thanks for your help.
From Michael.


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Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

 

Hi,
You cannot install OneCore voices on versions other than Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

hi quentin.
about microsoft onecore voices,
is it possible that we can install them on any version of windows as exe?
also, does it still need changing the registry?
or does it need downloading these voices, or its installed in all versions of windows ten by default?

On 5/4/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than
SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft. SAPI5
is an older standard which is still widely used so you may find some
third party software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use
SAPI 5 voices, but not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to
perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't
want to hear it talking all the time. If you don't have a need for
this mode, there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob





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Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

 

hi quentin.
about microsoft onecore voices,
is it possible that we can install them on any version of windows as exe?
also, does it still need changing the registry?
or does it need downloading these voices,
or its installed in all versions of windows ten by default?

On 5/4/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than
SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft. SAPI5 is an
older standard which is still widely used so you may find some third party
software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use SAPI 5 voices, but
not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to
perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't want
to hear it talking all the time. If you don't have a need for this mode,
there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob





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Re: Word Processor Alternatives to MS-Word

 

hi.
download openoffice from
openoffice.org
or libreoffice from libreoffice.org
they are both opensource and support iaccessible 2 and work with nvda.

On 5/7/21, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee134@...> wrote:
Hi all,

Besides Microsoft Office Word, are there any word processor alternatives
that work in conjunction with NVDA?





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Welcome to the NVDA Community Add-ons website - WordNav #nvdaaddonsfeed

nvda@nvda.groups.io Integration <nvda@...>
 

WordNav

  • Author: Tony Malykh
  • Download stable version
  • NVDA compatibility: 2019.3 and later

WordNav NVDA add-on improves built-in navigation by word, as well as adds extra word navigation commands with different definition for the word.

Most text editors support Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow commands for word navigation. However the definition of the word changes from one program to another. This is especially true of modern web-based text editors, such as Monaco. NVDA should know the definition of word in given program in order to speak words correctly. If NVDA doesn't know the exact definition, then either words are going to be skipped, or pronounced multiple times. Moreover, some web-based text editors position the cursor in the end of the word, instead of the beginning, making editing much harder for visually impaired users. In order to combat this problem I have created enhanced word navigation commands, that take the word definition from Notepad++ and they do not rely on program's definition of words, but rather parse lines into words on NVDA's side. The Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow gesture is not even sent to the program, thus ensuring the consistency of the speech.

Please note that a prototype of WordNav was formerly a part of Tony's enhancements add-on. Please either uninstall it or upgrade to Tony's enhancements latest stable version to avoid conflicts.

Currently WordNav supports four definitions of the word, assigned to different gestures:

  • Left Control+Arrows: Notepad++ definition, that treats alphanumeric characters as words, and adjacent punctuation marks are also treated as words. This should be the most convenient word definition for the majority of users.
  • RightControl+Arrows: Fine word definition splits camelCaseIdentifiers and underscore_separated_identifiers into separate parts, thus allowing the cursor to go into long identifiers.
  • LeftControl+Windows+Arros: Bulky word definition treats almost all punctuation symbols adjacent to text as part of a single word, therefore it would treat paths like C:\directory\subdirectory\file.txt as a single word.
  • RightControl+Windows+Arros: Multiword definition, that groups several words together. The amount of words is configurable.

Gestures can be customized in WordNav settings panel.

Notes

  • At this time WordNav doesn't modify Control+Shift+LeftArrow/RightArrow gestures to select words, since implementation of such commands are significantly more complicated.
  • If you would like to use virtual desktops feature of Windows 10, please remember to disable Control+Windows+Arrows keyboard shortcuts either in WordNav Settings panel, or in NVDA Input gestures dialog.
  • WordNav doesn't work reliably in VSCode, since due to its internal optimizations, VSCode presents only a few lines of file contents at a time, that change dynamically, and this occasionally interferes with WordNav algorithm.


Re: Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

Luke Davis
 

Dennis

I haven't followed all of this thread, and I don't know if this will help or be part of what you want, but have you looked at "Emulated system keyboard keys" under NVDA's input gestures screen?


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Re: Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Rich DeSteno
 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.


Rich De Steno
On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: Password overload!

Hope Williamson
 

I've started using Bitwarden recently https://bitwarden.com. So far, it's working well.

On 5/6/2021 3:54 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I use and love 1password. I tried last pass but could not import my stuff due to me being on the mac and it tfailing on windows.

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On 6 May 2021, at 15:44, ely.r@... wrote:

Evening you NVDA experts.

 

I am overwhelmed by the numbers of passwords needed to do my work. I have to many little Word files each with a secret spell to enter some web site or to start a program. I know there are password managers that promise to ease my anxiety, but I have no idea which of them to trust.

So, good doctors out there, does anyone use a reliable password manager that is accessible to NVDA, easy to use and will not send all those secret words out into the Ethernet.

 

Will your suggestions   be based on at least three months of experience, will your suggested manager work in most situations demanding a PW, and will it be easy to edit when needed?

 

Yes, I know there are drugs for anxiety. I am using those already. They have not fixed the password challenge.

 

Best, Rick and General, Guide Dog Extraordinaire ,


Re: Password overload!

Jackie
 

Hopefully, after very nearly 30 years of doing this, Nimer, I have
something worthwhile to contribute, else I've really wasted a
tremendous amount of time.

The article really shows how some very decidedly nontechnical folks
were nonetheless able to devise password schemes that pinned the
strongometer. Hopefully it will provide some grist for the mill for
others in that regard.

I'm glad you considered my articles informative.

On 5/6/21, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
Hello Jackie,

Nothing wrong with your post at all, and taking a look at your blog, there
is nothing in that blog that seems misguided. Thank you for posting!

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 4:23 PM Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:

Hi Rick. I hope Mr. Vogel & Mr. Jaber won't view this as overt
commercial exploitation, as it does specifically address a need you
expressed in your initial post.

1st, I love Keepass (note the spelling lol). Perfectly accessible
w/NVDA. It's available from www.keepass.info. Meets all the
specifications you set forth.

Next, might I suggest that an article written by me a few years back
might prove helpful in terms of password management. I hope you find
it helpful.
www.brightstarsweb.com/protect-yourself-with-passwords-or-pay

Good luck to you & General.

On 5/6/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
The Portmanteau Method of Creating Passwords (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1KxGgYF6qBMfvMg40XEgFUdGj6NZn4wLZ
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Re: Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Gene
 

I don’t know if the cause is the same but the same problem occurs with my SAPI 4 Via Voice.  This didn’t happen in the much older version of NVDA I also have on this machine.
 
It is so much older that ;people wouldn’t want to use it but something changed at some point.
 
Gene
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 9:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"
 
Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: Word Processor Alternatives to MS-Word

Quentin Christensen
 

As well as all the other options suggested, Jarte is another popular option.  Unlike the others, Jarte is ONLY a word processor (not a full office suite): https://www.jarte.com/


On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 10:08 AM Russell James <4rjames@...> wrote:
Hi Daniel,
The Google Docs, sheets, and slides are accessible

Accessibility for Docs editors - Computer - Docs Editors Help

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6282736?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en


Russ

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 8:03 PM Daniel McGee <danielmcgee134@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Besides Microsoft Office Word, are there any word processor alternatives that work in conjunction with NVDA?  



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Re: Word Processor Alternatives to MS-Word

Russell James
 

Hi Daniel,
The Google Docs, sheets, and slides are accessible

Accessibility for Docs editors - Computer - Docs Editors Help

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6282736?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en


Russ


On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 8:03 PM Daniel McGee <danielmcgee134@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Besides Microsoft Office Word, are there any word processor alternatives that work in conjunction with NVDA?  


Re: Word Processor Alternatives to MS-Word

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,

 

Go to http://www.ninite.com and from the documents section you can download either Libre office, or open office.  Both work with NVDA.  Hope this helps.

 

Tony 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Daniel McGee
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Word Processor Alternatives to MS-Word

 

Hi all,

Besides Microsoft Office Word, are there any word processor alternatives that work in conjunction with NVDA?  

 


Word Processor Alternatives to MS-Word

Daniel McGee
 

Hi all,

Besides Microsoft Office Word, are there any word processor alternatives that work in conjunction with NVDA?  


Re: Password overload!

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello Jackie,

Nothing wrong with your post at all, and taking a look at your blog, there is nothing in that blog that seems misguided. Thank you for posting!

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 4:23 PM Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Hi Rick. I hope Mr. Vogel & Mr. Jaber won't view this as overt
commercial exploitation, as it does specifically address a need you
expressed in your initial post.

1st, I love Keepass (note the spelling lol). Perfectly accessible
w/NVDA. It's available from www.keepass.info. Meets all the
specifications you set forth.

Next, might I suggest that an article written by me a few years back
might prove helpful in terms of password management. I hope you find
it helpful.
www.brightstarsweb.com/protect-yourself-with-passwords-or-pay

Good luck to you & General.

On 5/6/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> The Portmanteau Method of Creating Passwords (
> https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1KxGgYF6qBMfvMg40XEgFUdGj6NZn4wLZ
> )
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
>
> Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless
> you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.
>
> ~ Richard M. Nixon
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

Thomas N. Chan
 

It used to be basic html view is the best for screen reader but google has improve tremendously  I dare to say, at least 5 years or so.
the standard view is slow and clunky  and sometimes it just didn't load properly. but thats long time ago when I first started to use more than 10 years ago.

Regards,
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No issues. I've loaded over 200 messages in my junk folder and have jumped with k to each successive one.

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On 6 May 2021, at 6:40, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,

No, I am not noticing this. Which browser are you using? And, which version of NVDA? There have been improvements made to the responsiveness of Gmail, particularly in the new beta, though they can be toggled on experimentally in the developer settings of NVDA, and I don't remember seeing this issue before anyway.

You can change the number of conversations on a page. I do have mine set to 100.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Thanks, Nimer.  This is perfect.  In the standard view, is anyone else seeing that NVDA seems to pause after every 10 messages?  It’s almost like it is waiting for 10 more messages to load.  Is this something that is changeable?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 7:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

 

Once you open the message, press n. Then, if you want to read the message in more detail, press insert+space to go into browse mode, then navigate as you would a web page.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:28 PM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

What is the easiest way to navigate quickly to the body of a message in the GMAIL interface with NVDA?

 



On May 5, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

Navigate to settings, see all settings, and under the general tax, close to the bottom, there are radio buttons for turning on and off keyboard shortcuts. I do wish this was easier, nonetheless that is the process. It may be good to utilize screen reader find to find these controls.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:01 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Nimer,

 

This sounds like a great thing to learn. How do you turn on the shortcut keys in gmail? I tried looking for it but couldn't find it.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 5/5/2021 1:50 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,

 

If Brian gets upset, we'll tell him to get over himself, but this topic is very dear to me, so we can make an exception, I am sure, for discussing non-NVDA topics on this list, although I will do my best to make it relate to NVDA.

 

Trainers are behind the curve on teaching people how to use web apps. Web app developers are creating these wonderful new accessible web apps, and blind people are still stuck with the old, non-web apps. This is a shame, a complete shame.

 

First, I recommend using Gmail on the web instead of Outlook as it does not require an office subscription. It does not require configuring and setting up of email clients. It can be used on any machine with a web browser. It is not necessarily screen reader specific, so for the most part, what works with JAWS will work with NVDA, will work with Narrator, will work with Orca, will work with Voiceover. About the only thing you must know is how to switch between browse and focus mode, or your particular screen reader's name for that command.

 

Why do I say that using Gmail with the standard interface is better than even the basic HTML mode? Because it is much more efficient to traverse through the email list, as long as keyboard shortcuts are turned on and learned. Press up/down arrow to move up and down the list. Press x to select messages. Press e or y to archive messages. Press # to delete them. Press enter to open a thread. Press n to read the next message in the thread, press p to read the prior message in the thread. Press r to reply, a to reply all, f to forward, b to snooze a message and act on it later. Press / to search the messages, and easily type the label name where that message can be found, such as in:sent or in:trash. Easily move messages and sort them into labels and bundles. Easily create events and tasks from emails. Easily chat with, and create meetings with people you wish to interact with, and do so right from Gmail if you wish. Press c to compose, press ctrl+shift+c to 'cc' and press ctrl+shift+b to BCC. Press ctrl+enter to send, ctrl+shift+d to discard. Press lots of commands to format text, create bulleted and numbered lists, adjust blockquote indentations, move to misspelled words, etc. Press tab to look through spelling and grammar suggestions, etc., etc. You can easily find a list of these keyboard shortcuts by pressing ? when logged into Gmail. If you don't like the shortcuts, you can create your own in the Gmail settings. And, much of what you learn can be applied to other sites, too. For instance, on Facebook and on Twitter, keyboard shortcuts exist to accomplish many tasks and to navigate to where you want to go, on YouTube Music and spottify, shortcuts exist to control music playback, and so on. Basic HTML mode doesn't have or allow for these shortcuts.

 

I wish trainers would touch more on web apps, but many still believe that the best way for people to access Gmail is through basic HTML, the best way to check email is with Outlook, and the best thing since sliced bread is a BrailleNote. Technology trainers can be some of the most difficult people to work with because many, not all, are so entrenched in what they know how to teach, how they learned to teach it, and what they themselves are using, that they refuse to open their minds to the possibility that there is a different way of teaching, a new standard out, new types of devices that may benefit people more than what they have been accustomed to. It's the same attitude that won't even show blind people an Android device, instead choosing that iOS is superior and should work best for everyone, never mind the needs and desires of the person they are working with.

 

So, if I can accomplish anything by sending this off-topic thread, and this babble, it is to get people to at least try to step out of the box, try something you may not be comfortable with, and accept that there may be tools and methods out there which will enhance your productivity and make your life easier that don't require struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird. By the way, I don't know if it is because checking email is so popular or what, but I tend to see more email-related qupestions across the varying tech lists with people struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird than pretty much anything else, and very few are using webmail, have given it a fair shot, and still fewer are using webmail through the standard interfaces. Google Docs is accessible, Gmail standard is accessible, Office 365 online web version is accessible, they may require a bit of a learning curve, but they are accessible and usable, and those tools tend to see the most work put into them these days in terms of accessibility and usability across many companies, simply because those tools can be used on Chromebooks, Macs, Linux, Windows, etc., without requiring separate desktop apps. All that is required is a browser and an Internet connection (not even a very fast one.)

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 1:28 PM Louise Pfau <lpfau@...> wrote:

Hi.  I find it easier to navigate the gmail interface with “Basic HTML view” vs. “Standard view”.  This is probably due to the fact that when I was first taught how to set up and work with my gmail account, I was instructed to use “Basic HTML view” in order to get the most accessible interface. I know this is not strictly related to NVDA though.

 

Louise

 

 

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Re: Password overload!

Jackie
 

Hi Rick. I hope Mr. Vogel & Mr. Jaber won't view this as overt
commercial exploitation, as it does specifically address a need you
expressed in your initial post.

1st, I love Keepass (note the spelling lol). Perfectly accessible
w/NVDA. It's available from www.keepass.info. Meets all the
specifications you set forth.

Next, might I suggest that an article written by me a few years back
might prove helpful in terms of password management. I hope you find
it helpful.
www.brightstarsweb.com/protect-yourself-with-passwords-or-pay

Good luck to you & General.

On 5/6/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
The Portmanteau Method of Creating Passwords (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1KxGgYF6qBMfvMg40XEgFUdGj6NZn4wLZ
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Re: Password overload!

Thomas N. Chan
 

I use 1password since january. Some of the people even way longer than I do..
1password is rather secure and rely by fortune 100 company.
I have more than 300 over login and its like 16 to 50 characters.
I use to use this program call password agent by moonsoft but it became inaccessible and its only useable in windows. 
1password allows a lot of platform like android, IOS and windows. unlimited logon if you have that much of devices to log on. It will sync across if you made changes in one platform.
You can store on other cloud storage beside 1password itself, like dropbox.
You can even tighten the security by using a token key.

On top of it, they are willing to make them, accessible for screen reader users like on voiceover, talkback or even windows etc.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 7:06 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
The Portmanteau Method of Creating Passwords
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Re: Password overload!

 

The Portmanteau Method of Creating Passwords
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