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Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Louise Pfau
 

Rats. I like the quality of the Microsoft voices. I want to get a few more of them in SAPI format if that's possible. I know that "Windows OneCore" isn't the same thing.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Louise Pfau
 

I don't know the originally-installed build number of Windows 10 on this computer, because I didn't know how to access "Winver" at the time. The computer has had many updates since then.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

 

Hi,
Highly unlikely, as SAPI5 voices for Windows depend on the user interface language. By the way, Microsoft David has been a part of SAPI5 engine since Windows 8.0.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 6:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

There are also SAPI 5 versions of "Microsoft david" and "Microsoft Zira (spelled Z I R A on my computer)" available by default on Windows 10. I wonder if other "Windows OneCore voices" like "Microsoft Richard" and "Microsoft Mark " are also available in SAPI 5 format.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

 

Hi,
OneCore voices' lineage can be sort of traced to now discontinued Windows 10
Mobile, as the mobile voices are really meant for smartphones and used more
modern API called Windows Runtime, nowadays part of Universal Windows
Platform (UWP). Believe it or not, because UWP is a different API,
developers must write code that will interface with it, including ones used
to interact with OneCore voices. There is a special version of C++ called
C++/CX (extensions) that was specifically designed to let C++ modules such
as ones that come with NVDA to use UWP, but that's slowly changing (in fact,
NVDA's OneCore voices support is divided into two parts: the usual
Python-based synthesizer driver, and a C++ component used to talk to Windows
10 API's and features via C++/CX).
Recently a code contributor (not I) was researching regular C++ projections
for UWP (a projection is a set of components used to let programmers
familiar with various languages to talk to a specific API) called C++/WinRT
that will allow any C++ programmer familiar with recent C++ standard to use
UWP without using proprietary extensions or a programming language. The
biggest advantage for NVDA project is making C++-based contributions
significantly easier, as anyone wishing to support Windows 10 features
through UWP can now just use C++ that they have known - all that is needed
is a more recent Windows 10 SDK and a header file. In context of this
thread, this means OneCore voices and their features support can be coded in
familiar C++ (I guess this gives me a motivation to revisit my own C++ notes
from a decade ago...).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Monte Single wrote:

I think the voices you mentioned are Micro Soft One Core voices that come
with win10.

Sorry Monte, but they are SAPI5 voices that come with Win 10.
You can confirm this by pressing NVDA+Control+s, changing your synth to
SAPI5, and pressing OK.
Then pressing NVDA+control+v, and going through the voices that are listed.

I believe this was originally an install of Windows 10, 1809, and I
certainly never chose to download any SAPI voices.

The second voice you mentioned, Zira, is actually spelled z a r a, Zara.
I'm sorry again, but no, it isn't. If you spell the word as it appears in
NVDA's voice list when set to SAPI5, you will find that it is Zira, Z i r a,
as Louise mentioned.

Luke


Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Louise Pfau
 

There are also SAPI 5 versions of "Microsoft david" and "Microsoft Zira (spelled Z I R A on my computer)" available by default on Windows 10. I wonder if other "Windows OneCore voices" like "Microsoft Richard" and "Microsoft Mark " are also available in SAPI 5 format.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Luke Davis
 

Monte Single wrote:

I think the voices you mentioned are Micro Soft One Core voices that come with win10.
Sorry Monte, but they are SAPI5 voices that come with Win 10.
You can confirm this by pressing NVDA+Control+s, changing your synth to SAPI5, and pressing OK.
Then pressing NVDA+control+v, and going through the voices that are listed.

I believe this was originally an install of Windows 10, 1809, and I certainly never chose to download any SAPI voices.

The second voice you mentioned, Zira, is actually spelled z a r a, Zara.
I'm sorry again, but no, it isn't. If you spell the word as it appears in NVDA's voice list when set to SAPI5, you will find that it is Zira, Z i r a, as Louise mentioned.

Luke


Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Monte Single
 

Hi Louise,

I think the voices you mentioned are Micro Soft One Core voices that come with win10.
Sapi5 voices come with earlier versions of windows or can be downloaded and used with win 10.
The second voice you mentioned, Zira, is actually spelled z a r a, Zara.
That is the voice I use with nvda on this win10 p c.

Others on this listmay tell you where to find other one core voices or other sapi5 voices.

Cheers,

Monte

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: May 8, 2021 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Hi. I was thinking of getting more SAPI voices like the ones that come with Windows 10 by default. I think they are Microsoft David and Microsoft Zira.
Are there others in the same category?

Thanks,

Louise


Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Louise Pfau
 

Hi. I was thinking of getting more SAPI voices like the ones that come with Windows 10 by default. I think they are Microsoft David and Microsoft Zira. Are there others in the same category?

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Enquiry about add-ons for Audio Production Software

Chris Smart
 

On 2021-05-08 7:12 p.m., Luke Davis wrote:
Charlie Dyasi wrote:

Reaper, I have it installed on my laptop, but my laptop is so old, it takes for ever just open up reaper at least in half an hour.
Half an hour? Seriously?


Reaper itself is very light on resources.


Re: Enquiry about add-ons for Audio Production Software

dennis huckle
 

Luke,
The only add on I can find is the one for goldwave.
Not really looked in to how it works yet because you will know I have been researching braille commands for nvda and braille displays.
The goldwave add on is in the list of add ons listed in get addons.
Not much help I know but hope it puts you in the right direction.
Kind regards,
Dennis huckle.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: 09 May 2021 00:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Enquiry about add-ons for Audio Production Software

Charlie Dyasi wrote:

Reaper, I have it installed on my laptop, but my laptop is so old, it takes for ever just open up reaper at least in half an hour.
I suspect you will have that problem with any of the high-end audio software. Even Audacity doesn't perform well on older machines, at least not for transcoding or FX tasks.
I can't imagine that Protools will either; it has always been a resource hog.

Luke


Re: Enquiry about add-ons for Audio Production Software

Luke Davis
 

Charlie Dyasi wrote:

Reaper, I have it installed on my laptop, but my laptop is so old, it takes for ever just open up reaper at least in half an hour.
I suspect you will have that problem with any of the high-end audio software. Even Audacity doesn't perform well on older machines, at least not for transcoding or FX tasks.
I can't imagine that Protools will either; it has always been a resource hog.

Luke


Re: Enquiry about add-ons for Audio Production Software

Roger Stewart
 

I use Gold Wave, Audacity and mp3 Direct Cut.  Don't know what your requirements are, but Audacity is the most versatile multi track editor.  Gold wave  also excellent.

Roger

On 5/8/2021 4:33 PM, Charlie Dyasi wrote:
Hello everyone, I just want to know if anyone has, or is there any add on for: ProTools on Windows, Abelson live, studio one, or any other recording software that producers are using out there?

I have a friend that wants to use machine, but Is struggling immensely to control the parameters of machine.

I would love to go back to my ProTools, because I have the license, and get myself immersed in everything about ProTools, but my only option seems to go only on the Mac.

I would really love to hear more about this if anyone can tell me about it, hope all of you have a lovely day.

Charlie
South Africa.




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Re: Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

Pauline Smith
 

I also use the Basic HTML view in my Gmail account.  This was the setting recommended on the website.  I will read the responses to gather tips on how to navigate with NVDA if using Standard View.

Pauline

On 5/5/2021 4:28 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
Hi.  I find it easier to navigate the gmail interface with “Basic HTML view” vs. “Standard view”.  This is probably due to the fact that when I was first taught how to set up and work with my gmail account, I was instructed to use “Basic HTML view” in order to get the most accessible interface. I know this is not strictly related to NVDA though.
 
Louise


Re: Bluetooth speakers with Windows

Gene
 

I don’t recall if anyone sent a link for Silenzio.  Here is a Jonathan Mosen discussion of the problem which includes a link.
 
If you don’t want to read the article, search the page for Silenzio and you will get to the discussion of it.
 
Gene

-----Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bluetooth speakers with Windows
 
well for me this addon did not fix the blue tooth audio cutting off words.

On 08/05/2021 15:14, Brian Vogel wrote:
> Because of how Windows handles power management (and sleeping) for
> Bluetooth.  There's actually an add-on to address this issue:
>
>
>   BluetoothAudio
>   <https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/BluetoothAudio.en.html>
>
> --
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>
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> unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself./
>
>         ~ Richard M. Nixon
>
>





Re: Enquiry about add-ons for Audio Production Software

Charlie Dyasi
 

Hi Chris, thank you so much for this, but Reaper, I have it installed on my laptop, but my laptop is so old, it takes for ever just open up reaper at least in half an hour.
and as a result, I have never been able to learn how to use reaper. I’m still saving to buy a new computer, that maybe I can take me about what ,for months but eventually I’ll get there.
With been laid off from work as well, it has made things just much harder because of Covid, I hope everyone who still has got a job to wake up to, is enjoying it.
Charlie


Re: Bluetooth speakers with Windows

Kevin Cussick
 

well for me this addon did not fix the blue tooth audio cutting off words.

On 08/05/2021 15:14, Brian Vogel wrote:
Because of how Windows handles power management (and sleeping) for Bluetooth.  There's actually an add-on to address this issue:
BluetoothAudio
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/BluetoothAudio.en.html>
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Re: Enquiry about add-ons for Audio Production Software

Chris Smart
 

Try Reaper with both Osara and the SWS extension installed. Also see Komplete Kontrol by Native Instruments for your keyboard needs.


www.reaperaccessibility.com

On 2021-05-08 5:33 p.m., Charlie Dyasi wrote:
Hello everyone, I just want to know if anyone has, or is there any add on for: ProTools on Windows, Abelson live, studio one, or any other recording software that producers are using out there?

I have a friend that wants to use machine, but Is struggling immensely to control the parameters of machine.

I would love to go back to my ProTools, because I have the license, and get myself immersed in everything about ProTools, but my only option seems to go only on the Mac.

I would really love to hear more about this if anyone can tell me about it, hope all of you have a lovely day.

Charlie
South Africa.




Enquiry about add-ons for Audio Production Software

Charlie Dyasi
 

Hello everyone, I just want to know if anyone has, or is there any add on for: ProTools on Windows, Abelson live, studio one, or any other recording software that producers are using out there?

I have a friend that wants to use machine, but Is struggling immensely to control the parameters of machine.

I would love to go back to my ProTools, because I have the license, and get myself immersed in everything about ProTools, but my only option seems to go only on the Mac.

I would really love to hear more about this if anyone can tell me about it, hope all of you have a lovely day.

Charlie
South Africa.


Re: Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Gene
 

That isn’t surprising since they were both made by the same company.
 
Gene
-----Original Messsage-----
.From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"
 

Well yes, Vocal-Eyes had the same feature set as Window-Eyes in that regard.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 07 May 2021 17:06
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Vocal eyes also did that. I'm dating myself as that was in 1994. Has an issue in hithub been submitted for this as that would be nice especially when going over a paper.

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On 7 May 2021, at 8:37, Steve Nutt wrote:

As far as I know, Window-Eyes was the only screen reader ever to give that flexibility. It had separate caps and punctuation levels for screen and keyboard.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 07 May 2021 15:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

It doesn’t say cap when using reade to end or reading line by line.  It doesn’t even say cap when moving by word.  In short, you get the same information as you do with pitch change.  I agree that this should be adjustable so it won’t say cap when typing if that is wished. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 9:38 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Yes, but for me, it seems to say Cap when doing a speak all as well, or reading line by line on the screen, which is not what you want.

 

You need independent settings for the screen and the keyboard.  Window-Eyes used to do this very well.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich DeSteno
Sent: 07 May 2021 11:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

I use it all the time and it works quickly and totally accurately.

Rich De Steno

On 5/7/2021 4:58 AM, Gene wrote:

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Rich DeSteno

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno

On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise


Re: Thunderbird not entering trash folder

 

Daniel (and anyone else reading),

Remember that Thunderbird has a local Trash folder, which will just be noted as Trash.  If you want it to use your IMAP server's Trash folder you have to go through the dropdown to choose that, and afterward it will show up as something like, "Trash @ {insert email address here}."
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