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Re: Sending New Email in Desktop Outlook 2019: How to select correct email address when contact has multiple[le addresses?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I am sure I have seen a reference to this same problem on another list except they were using the latest version of jaws. That was only a couple of days ago. Could be a windows bug that creep in.


Gene nz


On 14/05/2021 8:52 am, Milton Charlton wrote:

When sending a new email In desktop Outlook 2019, I want to select the correct email from a list associated with a contact.  When I type or dictate the name of the contact, a list of their email addresses appears.  I can use the arrow keys to navigate up and down in that list  but NVDA does not speak the contents of the list which is the email addresses. I know that once the correct email  address is selected, I can hit Return and that address will be entered in TO:.   If I use the mouse to move up and down in the list, one of the addresses gets entered in the TO field but it may not be the one I want.  NVDA reports that this is a form but I don't know how to react to that.
How can I get NVDA to read out the email addresses in the list?
I searched the forum but could not find an answer.
Thanks for your help.

NVDA 2020.4
Windows 10  Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042
MS Office 2019


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Arlene
 

Oh, okay. So, if I open Edge. He will just sit there and update himself? I’ll do that right now.

 

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From: Gene
Sent: May 13, 2021 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Edge automatically updates itself but if you haven’t used it in some time, you should open it and let it sit for a few minutes.  Then use the about dialog to see if it is running the current version.  Since the complained of problem occurred after an update, your results wouldn’t match the test criteria unless the program is known to be current.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

I have Jaws and will use it. I haven’t updated edge. It’s there but I haven’t used it in ages.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris Shook
Sent: May 13, 2021 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Just out of curiosity, can someone use JAWS with Edge Chromium and see

what happens?

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and APA Style

Kelly, Kathleen
 

Thank you, I appreciate your help. 


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Gene
 

Edge automatically updates itself but if you haven’t used it in some time, you should open it and let it sit for a few minutes.  Then use the about dialog to see if it is running the current version.  Since the complained of problem occurred after an update, your results wouldn’t match the test criteria unless the program is known to be current.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Arlene
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium
 

I have Jaws and will use it. I haven’t updated edge. It’s there but I haven’t used it in ages.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris Shook
Sent: May 13, 2021 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Just out of curiosity, can someone use JAWS with Edge Chromium and see

what happens?

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and APA Style

 

Hi,

I usually don’t worry about citation styles until before submitting papers – I just type in-line citations (author, year) as I write papers, and then I go back and reformat it to resemble whatever style the instructor wants as I’m finishing my paper (I also take care of spelling and grammar at that time, too).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and APA Style

 

I didn’t know about the APA checker software, but I think  the professors wouldn’t have wanted us to use it anyway.  When I had to write psychology papers about 15 years ago, I proofed them using the JAWS “Check formatting” command.  I didn’t know about NVDA at the time, and I think it might have been developed around the time I graduated.  The university library had an online reference guide for the most common citation styles, but I don’t know if it still exists.

 

Louise


Re: Sending New Email in Desktop Outlook 2019: How to select correct email address when contact has multiple[le addresses?

Gene
 

If you don’t get a good solution, There should be another way to search for contacts besides autocomplete.  Windows Live Mail has another way and if it does, it is very likely Outlook does as well.  Ihn Wihndows Live Mail, using the search contacts function, I just type as muchor as little as I want of what I’m searching for in the search field, then down arrow to see results.  I usually type the first name of the person, when searching for a person. 
 
I don’t use Outlook and I’ll let others discuss the search, which I expect exists, further.
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 3:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sending New Email in Desktop Outlook 2019: How to select correct email address when contact has multiple[le addresses?
 
When sending a new email In desktop Outlook 2019, I want to select the correct email from a list associated with a contact.  When I type or dictate the name of the contact, a list of their email addresses appears.  I can use the arrow keys to navigate up and down in that list  but NVDA does not speak the contents of the list which is the email addresses. I know that once the correct email  address is selected, I can hit Return and that address will be entered in TO:.   If I use the mouse to move up and down in the list, one of the addresses gets entered in the TO field but it may not be the one I want.  NVDA reports that this is a form but I don't know how to react to that.
How can I get NVDA to read out the email addresses in the list?
I searched the forum but could not find an answer.
Thanks for your help.

NVDA 2020.4
Windows 10  Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042
MS Office 2019


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Arlene
 

I have Jaws and will use it. I haven’t updated edge. It’s there but I haven’t used it in ages.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris Shook
Sent: May 13, 2021 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Just out of curiosity, can someone use JAWS with Edge Chromium and see

what happens?

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Arlene
 

What’s wrong with it?  I almost always use Google chrome.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris Shook
Sent: May 13, 2021 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Just out of curiosity, can someone use JAWS with Edge Chromium and see

what happens?

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

Gene
 

Isn’t it easy or rather easy to delete messages you’ve read in the web interface?  If you delete them, they will go to trash and the trash folder gets rid of messages that are a month old or older. 
 
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"
 
Hello everyone I have been using Gmail with standard view now for more than 5 years, pretty much since I started working in nonprofit in 2014. So I guess that makes it longer. I think standard view works much better than basic HTML, but I have been tricked by the fact that when you go into a new inbox key commands are not automatically activated. Nimer great tips.

If you have had Gmail for very long, you probably have more than 10,000 messages in your inbox, and would probably never want to jump all the way to the end. But those were great tips for jumping to the end of the current view. Another one I just discovered is to press g then n or g then p  to view older or newer messages. I would encourage everyone to also take a look at the search feature. Press / and it automatically takes you to the edit bar. Press tab a couple times and enter on the advanced search button. I use this frequently.

I'm using latest NVDA with latest Google Chrome on Windows 10.

Best regards
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Program Coordinator (NCDE)
Mobility International USA (MIUSA)
132 E Broadway Suite 343
Eugene OR 97401
541-343-1284 ext 1014 (voice)
jharford@... (email)
 
 
On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 3:38 PM Pauline Smith <paulinesmithh@...> wrote:

I also use the Basic HTML view in my Gmail account.  This was the setting recommended on the website.  I will read the responses to gather tips on how to navigate with NVDA if using Standard View.

Pauline

On 5/5/2021 4:28 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
Hi.  I find it easier to navigate the gmail interface with “Basic HTML view” vs. “Standard view”.  This is probably due to the fact that when I was first taught how to set up and work with my gmail account, I was instructed to use “Basic HTML view” in order to get the most accessible interface. I know this is not strictly related to NVDA though.
 
Louise


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Chris Shook
 

Just out of curiosity, can someone use JAWS with Edge Chromium and see what happens?


Sending New Email in Desktop Outlook 2019: How to select correct email address when contact has multiple[le addresses?

Milton Charlton
 

When sending a new email In desktop Outlook 2019, I want to select the correct email from a list associated with a contact.  When I type or dictate the name of the contact, a list of their email addresses appears.  I can use the arrow keys to navigate up and down in that list  but NVDA does not speak the contents of the list which is the email addresses. I know that once the correct email  address is selected, I can hit Return and that address will be entered in TO:.   If I use the mouse to move up and down in the list, one of the addresses gets entered in the TO field but it may not be the one I want.  NVDA reports that this is a form but I don't know how to react to that.
How can I get NVDA to read out the email addresses in the list?
I searched the forum but could not find an answer.
Thanks for your help.

NVDA 2020.4
Windows 10  Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042
MS Office 2019


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 11:16 AM, Gene wrote:
You can't uninstall it which is why I am talking about installing over it.
-
You actually can remove Windows components and add Windows components using PowerShell.  There are lots of tutorials out there about how to remove and reinstall the Edge browser.

I'd still just consider, Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file, which is easier and kills multiple potential issues with one fell swoop.

We're all in agreement that this is an issue with Windows rather than NVDA itself.
 
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Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Chris Shook
 

If someone decides to try, let me know how it turns out.


Re: NVDA and APA Style

Louise Pfau
 

I didn’t know about the APA checker software, but I think  the professors wouldn’t have wanted us to use it anyway.  When I had to write psychology papers about 15 years ago, I proofed them using the JAWS “Check formatting” command.  I didn’t know about NVDA at the time, and I think it might have been developed around the time I graduated.  The university library had an online reference guide for the most common citation styles, but I don’t know if it still exists.
 
Louise


Re: faced 2 problems while using zoom with NVDA

Scott Salzman
 

Here's some additional follow-up to Sarah's suggestions. Apologies for all of this detail. I hope some of it may be helpful.

There's a "Save Chat" button, in the Chat window, under the "More Chat Options" button. You can use this button to save the chat at any time, as many times as you like during a Zoom meeting. NVDA does not announce anything when you press the "Save Chat" button, but if you tab backwards a few times, you'll land on a "Show in Folder" button, which will open a File Explorer window that has your saved chat text file.

It looks like this save chat function will save any updates to the same file, so you'll only have one saved chat file, for each meeting. Even if the function to automatically save chat at the end of the meeting has been enabled, it looks like that also updates the same file. So any time you open this file, it should contain all of the chat messages, as of the last time chat was saved in that meeting.

Note that in Zoom versions 4.5.0 or later, there is a setting under the "Meetings" tab, that would allow a host to "Prevent participants from saving chat". This setting is different from, and independent of the "Auto saving chats" setting, which only saves chat at the end of the meeting. Not surprisingly, if I start a Zoom meeting with the "Prevent participants from saving chat" setting enabled, I can't make it available during that meeting, even if I change the setting.

Thanks.

Scott


Scott Salzman
Web Discovery Librarian
Furman University

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] faced 2 problems while using zoom with NVDA

That's the problem I have with accessing things on Zoom, I can't seem to access anything until the chat is saved at the end of the meeting.
I can read messages, but I can't seem to copy them to the clipboard until the meeting is ended, when a text file pops up with the entire chat up to the point you copied.

On 5/7/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
For your first question you won't be able to access the slides. They are
images. For your second question I am able to tab to links, if not
access the text file that will be there at the end of your chat. Or
save the chat and the text file will update.

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On 7 May 2021, at 2:34, Sharad Koirala wrote:

hi group members,

I am facing two problems while using zoom with NVDA:
1. I am not able to access the screen someone has shared in a
meeting, for e.g. when I am attending a powerpoint presentation I
cannot access the slides the presenter has shared during the
presentation 2. I am not able to access a link shared in the chat box
(I even tried to copy it when I could not open the link with no
success)

what could be the solutions to these problems?

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Re: Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

Justin Harford
 

Hello everyone I have been using Gmail with standard view now for more than 5 years, pretty much since I started working in nonprofit in 2014. So I guess that makes it longer. I think standard view works much better than basic HTML, but I have been tricked by the fact that when you go into a new inbox key commands are not automatically activated. Nimer great tips.

If you have had Gmail for very long, you probably have more than 10,000 messages in your inbox, and would probably never want to jump all the way to the end. But those were great tips for jumping to the end of the current view. Another one I just discovered is to press g then n or g then p  to view older or newer messages. I would encourage everyone to also take a look at the search feature. Press / and it automatically takes you to the edit bar. Press tab a couple times and enter on the advanced search button. I use this frequently.

I'm using latest NVDA with latest Google Chrome on Windows 10.

Best regards
Justin Harford (he/him/his)
Program Coordinator (NCDE)
Mobility International USA (MIUSA)
132 E Broadway Suite 343
Eugene OR 97401
541-343-1284 ext 1014 (voice)
jharford@... (email)


On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 3:38 PM Pauline Smith <paulinesmithh@...> wrote:
I also use the Basic HTML view in my Gmail account.  This was the setting recommended on the website.  I will read the responses to gather tips on how to navigate with NVDA if using Standard View.

Pauline

On 5/5/2021 4:28 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
Hi.  I find it easier to navigate the gmail interface with “Basic HTML view” vs. “Standard view”.  This is probably due to the fact that when I was first taught how to set up and work with my gmail account, I was instructed to use “Basic HTML view” in order to get the most accessible interface. I know this is not strictly related to NVDA though.
 
Louise


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Gene
 

It will be interesting to see if Windows lets you install Edge over itself if you decide to try that.  You can't uninstall it which is why I am talking about installing over it.  I doubt that installing over the program will solve the problem.  It appears to be the result of a recent update.  I first noticed odd download behavior a number of days ago.  I don't download in Chrome much but a few days before, downloads were occurring just as I expected. 


Perhaps Microsoft will correct this problem, if it is a general one.  I'll be curiously awaiting developments.


Gene

On 5/13/2021 10:02 AM, Bobby wrote:

just to let you all know I went to the Microsoft site and I also looked on filehorse.com and I found a copy of Microsoft edge in both places. because edge is for mack as well as windows 10  If you want to try to fix edge than go for it and good luck.

On 5/13/2021 3:52 AM, Gene wrote:
I wouldn’t reinstall Windows 10 or get another copy or reset the computer.  This is a very small problem, just affecting downloads  and there are so many other browsers that can be used for this purpose that just using another one would make the most sense.  Evidently, the browser can be used for all other ;purposes as well as before. 
 
I don’t know if Edge will let you install another copy of Edge over itself. 
 
Recently, my download behavior changed in Edge as well.  I just use another browser for downloading.  The change in behavior is different than what you describe but it is annoying.  If enough others have undesirable changes, Microsoft will correct the problem.  Meanwhile, not every problem needs to be solved and [putting much time and effort into solving this one isn’t worth it.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium
 
Well try to find a copy of Microsoft edge at www.filehorse.com. Or try
resetting your windows 10 or you can format the hard drive Butt I would
try to get a copy of edge before trying any of these ideas to fix edge. 
Try Microsoft's web site as well as filehorse.  Good luck

On 5/12/2021 11:50 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
> Hi Fernando,
> Thanks for the suggestion. I tried it, but it's a no go. It didn't fox
> it. Incidentally, it also effects the downloads folder, So I guess
> I'll have to switch to GoogleChrome for now.
>
>
>
>
>





Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Bobby <vinton.bobby@...>
 

just to let you all know I went to the Microsoft site and I also looked on filehorse.com and I found a copy of Microsoft edge in both places. because edge is for mack as well as windows 10  If you want to try to fix edge than go for it and good luck.

On 5/13/2021 3:52 AM, Gene wrote:

I wouldn’t reinstall Windows 10 or get another copy or reset the computer.  This is a very small problem, just affecting downloads  and there are so many other browsers that can be used for this purpose that just using another one would make the most sense.  Evidently, the browser can be used for all other ;purposes as well as before. 
 
I don’t know if Edge will let you install another copy of Edge over itself. 
 
Recently, my download behavior changed in Edge as well.  I just use another browser for downloading.  The change in behavior is different than what you describe but it is annoying.  If enough others have undesirable changes, Microsoft will correct the problem.  Meanwhile, not every problem needs to be solved and [putting much time and effort into solving this one isn’t worth it.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium
 
Well try to find a copy of Microsoft edge at www.filehorse.com. Or try
resetting your windows 10 or you can format the hard drive Butt I would
try to get a copy of edge before trying any of these ideas to fix edge. 
Try Microsoft's web site as well as filehorse.  Good luck

On 5/12/2021 11:50 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
> Hi Fernando,
> Thanks for the suggestion. I tried it, but it's a no go. It didn't fox
> it. Incidentally, it also effects the downloads folder, So I guess
> I'll have to switch to GoogleChrome for now.
>
>
>
>
>





Re: NVDA and APA Style

 

Kathleen,

Also consider using APA Style checker software, which flags obvious errors.  I haven't had to write a paper in APA Style in 20 years now, but these were very useful when I did for catching "small errors" I might not otherwise have caught after reading and re-reading and re-reading until I was practically numb.

See:  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=apa+style+checker

I can't speak to accessibility for any of them, so that would be one of your jobs to determine which one or ones might be accessible.  But as a graduate student finding one that is could make your life much easier.

Also, a more general recommendation (that I know is sometimes hard to follow):  Try to write your papers far enough ahead of time that you can walk away from them for a few days (at a minimum) to over a week before going back and proofing them.  It makes it so much easier to see errors.  When in the heat of writing it's just so easy to see "what I meant to write" rather than "what I actually wrote" in many cases.  Mental "auto-correct" has amazing power when you're actively working on something.  After just a bit of time and distance, that power wanes, and that's a good thing as far as proofing goes.
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Re: Problem with Onecore voices on a Windows 10 laptop

Steve Nutt
 

It appears not.  I looked on three machines, and Remove is greyed out.

 

But it doesn’t matter now.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: 13 May 2021 09:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Onecore voices on a Windows 10 laptop

 

Actually you can easily manage voices under settings > time and language > speech > manage voices section

 

Where you can add and remove voices without the messing around with language packs

 

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 13 May 2021 09:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Onecore voices on a Windows 10 laptop

 

That’s the problem. It’s not easy to remove the voices.  You have to change the Windows language, because it won’t let you remove the voices of the default Windows language.

 

Anyway, solved for now, but I see I am not unique to having this problem.

 

Thanks all.

 

All the best


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: 12 May 2021 18:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Onecore voices on a Windows 10 laptop

 

You could try removing the voices and adding them again

 

And RESTART the system

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 12 May 2021 17:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problem with Onecore voices on a Windows 10 laptop

 

Hi,

 

This is a brand new laptop for a customer.  I have just upgraded it to Windows 10 H2 and installed NVDA.

 

I have two identical laptops here, one works absolutely fine, and the other will not load the Onecore voices.

 

It appears in the list, but then says Error loading Synthesiser driver. It works with Espeak fine, but I think they would prefer the default voice.

 

Narrator speaks fine with it, and even works if I go into Speech settings in Windows and Preview the voice.

 

What I have tried so far is to completely remove and reinstall NVDA, including user settings.

 

I have also tried resetting the configuration with Control+NVDA+R three times.

 

Again, the synth appears in the list, but errors when loading.

 

I saw a similar message on this list from Louise, so the next thing I am going to try is to check compatibility settings in NVDA to make sure nothing is checked.  Other than that though, I am not sure what is going on here. Other than that, I’m almost ready to reset the PC, if no-one has any ideas.

 

Here is the log excerpt that I get when trying to load the synth:-

 

INFO - core.main (16:48:49.235) - MainThread (5932):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

ERROR - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (16:48:52.220) - MainThread (5932):

setSynth

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "synthDriverHandler.pyc", line 448, in setSynth

  File "synthDriverHandler.pyc", line 419, in getSynthInstance

  File "synthDrivers\oneCore.pyc", line 169, in __init__

  File "synthDrivers\oneCore.pyc", line 476, in _getDefaultVoice

RuntimeError: No voices available

 

Of course, there are voices available, because they work with Narrator.

 

If anyone has any ideas, please do hit me with them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best


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