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Re: NVDA and APA Style

Sandra Pilz
 

Hi,


I am not sure if I understand your question right. If you are asking what you could do to make sure your APA citations are formatted correctly, I would recommend that you use citation software.


I have started to use Zotero a few months ago and it makes things so much easier. Since APA is very widely used, probably the bibliography it creates will be fine, provided you enter your sources correctly in Zotero. There may be a bit of a learning curve, but I think its absolutely worth it.


the only thing I wished would be more accessible is copying and moving sources from one collection to another. You have to use drag and drop to do that. If you search the NVDA list archives, there was a discussion on Zotero where someone described which setting to change in Zotero so that the Woord plugin becomes accessible.



Regards


Sandra



Am 13.05.2021 um 05:37 schrieb Kelly, Kathleen:

GS seeks feedback on NVDA and APA Style, the writing/format citation style used in academic papers. I have turned on all the punctuation functions to get NVDA to read the parentheses, periods, and italics, etc. but it is creating an auditory overload. Ideas? Thanks. 


Re: removing a portable NVDA

Gene
 

The whole point about portable programs is that you don’t install them and you can run them on removable devices like thumb ddrives. Just delete the folder containing the files. 
 
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Re: removing a portable NVDA

Chris
 

It wont show up there as its not actually installed on the machine

 

To remove just delete the folder the portable copy was installed to and if you created any shortcuts you will have to delete them as well

 

 

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Re: removing a portable NVDA

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Just delete the folder where it was installed.

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Re: subtitles on youtube and navigation keys in word.

Ali Colak
 

Thanks, I had no idea it would be that simple. I new how changing
between browse mode and focus mode worked on web pages but didn't know
it would work for this. Thanks again.

On 5/14/21, Sascha Cowley via groups.io
<sascha.camille=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
First, you should probably have posted these as two separate threads,
otherwise the conversation, if there ends up being one, may get rather
confusing, and to make finding these questions and answers in future easier
for you and others.
I can only answer your question regarding Microsoft Word. What you are
looking to do is switch into browse mode, which you can do with NVDA +
Space. Use the same keystroke to switch back in to focus mode.






Re: subtitles on youtube and navigation keys in word.

Sascha Cowley
 

First, you should probably have posted these as two separate threads, otherwise the conversation, if there ends up being one, may get rather confusing, and to make finding these questions and answers in future easier for you and others.
I can only answer your question regarding Microsoft Word. What you are looking to do is switch into browse mode, which you can do with NVDA + Space. Use the same keystroke to switch back in to focus mode.


subtitles on youtube and navigation keys in word.

Ali Colak
 

Hello everyone,
I have two seperate questions on two differents.
First, though nvda seems to read some close captioning on youtube, it
doesn't update when the caption changes. I have to arrow up and down
to find the spot where it can read the captioning again. How can I
make sure that it reads the captions as they come in? Note, these are
the regular captions that NVDA can read, not the subtitling I have to
access through the lion app and OCR.

Second, their is i believe a keystroke that enables us to use
navigation keys in documents, such as those in word, such that when we
press in stead of entering h it it goes to the next heading. I have
both foregoten what it was called and the keystroke itself. If some
one could tell me please?

Thanks
Ali


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Luke Davis
 

Gene wrote:

That’s not the problem.  He can look at web sites and he doesn’t hear unknown.  The ;problem, as I discussed in a previous message, is leaving browse mode on. 
And you may be right. But he reports it saying "pane" when he expects it to read something. That is one of the symptoms of COM DLL deregistration.
It may be an outlier in this case, but on the other hand it won't hurt him to try it either.

As an aside: running Edge 90.0.818.62 here, and neither in browse mode or focus mode, do I get the speech output he describes.

Luke
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Re: Phonics and NVDA

Luke Davis
 

Jane Sharp wrote:

I have a learner who is learning letter sounds and starting to build words. So for example, for pet, puh eh tuh. We’d like her to be able to type this and
get those sounds from character echo rather than the letter names, p e t, and then when she presses space to get the word pet pronounced correctly. 
You would probably need to commission an add-on for this. I don't know of anything that can do it out of the box.

One of the problems you're going to run into, is that sounds like "puh" and "tuh", wherein you pronounce the "uh" part of the sound, are incorrect phonics. The P is supposed to be taught as just the plosive, without any vowel sound. Same for B--it's supposed to be just the lip action, with as minimal vowel involvement as possible. T should be just the tongue and teeth action, etc.
(The cost of being raised by an expert phonics teacher.)
Getting any synth to do that right is going to be difficult, and probably require phoneme work deeper than just letter manipulation.

Doing it with sound files of a human tied to each key would probably be more likely to produce phonics-accurate results, and, at least with my level of technical knowledge, would be practically more easy to implement, although someone with more experience at manipulating phonemic information at that level might find the synth just as workable.

I can change the pronunciation of the letters in the Dictionary but this messes up word echo.
Can you give an example of how that breaks?

Luke

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Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 07:38 PM, Gene wrote:
You have to restart programs in general.
-

Indeed.  But jumping back specifically to Chromium-based browsers, unless it's not exposed to the screen reader, you should get a notification that an Update is available when you throw focus to the browser menu key.  And, invariably, if you choose to update it will tell you that the update will be applied after the browser is relaunched, and then ask you if you want to relaunch now.

If you have your browser set up to open "where I left off" then answering in the affirmative immediately will cause the browser to relaunch and you end upon precisely the same page in the same tab (though not usually at the same place in the page) as soon as it launches again.  In other cases you may need to postpone so that you don't lose your place and your currently open tabs and windows (if applicable).
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Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Gene
 

That’s not the problem.  He can look at web sites and he doesn’t hear unknown.  The ;problem, as I discussed in a previous message, is leaving browse mode on. 
 
There are times, I should amplify, that you need it off to see certain things and times when it should be on.  You have to experiment. 
 
For example, the about page requires it to be on to see all the information by arrowing down the page.  The downloads dialog requires it to be off to see and work with downloads properly and that is true of the favorites dialog as well.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium
 
Chris Shook wrote:

> WHen I use NVDA with EDge and I click on favorites, it says dialogue pain,
> but doesn't say anything else.

Have you tried NVDA's COM Registration Fixing Tool?

Luke

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Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Gene
 

You have to restart programs in general.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Arlene
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium
 

Yes, I’ve seen this with Chrome.  When it updates you have to restart Chrome.

 

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From: Gene
Sent: May 13, 2021 3:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Also, after Chrome updates, you have to restart the browser to have the update take effect.  You will be told that and a button is provided in the about information.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

There is a new update to Edge, evidently released very recently.  Mine is updating now.  This update may solve the problem being discussed.  I’m going to test it after the update finishes.

 

As far as finding the about information, do the following:

Open the menu with alt f.  Hold alt when typing f. 

Up arrow to help and support and press enter.

Up arrow to about Chrome and press enter.

You can look at the page as you would a web page.  Start arrowing down and you will soon get to version information.  If Chrome is up-to-date, you will find that stated in that area.

 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:40 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Hi, Where do you find about Edge?

 

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From: Gene
Sent: May 13, 2021 3:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Chrome and all Chrome-based browsers do but you should check that it is up-to-date before testing.  While updates should be automatic, that doesn’t guarantee something didn’t go wrong. 

 

I can tell you how to check if you wish, but I’d have to check.  There are differences between Chrome-based browsers.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Oh, okay. So, if I open Edge. He will just sit there and update himself? I’ll do that right now.

 

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From: Gene
Sent: May 13, 2021 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Edge automatically updates itself but if you haven’t used it in some time, you should open it and let it sit for a few minutes.  Then use the about dialog to see if it is running the current version.  Since the complained of problem occurred after an update, your results wouldn’t match the test criteria unless the program is known to be current.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

I have Jaws and will use it. I haven’t updated edge. It’s there but I haven’t used it in ages.

 

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From: Chris Shook
Sent: May 13, 2021 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Just out of curiosity, can someone use JAWS with Edge Chromium and see

what happens?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Luke Davis
 

Chris Shook wrote:

WHen I use NVDA with EDge and I click on favorites, it says dialogue pain, but doesn't say anything else.
Have you tried NVDA's COM Registration Fixing Tool?

Luke

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Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Gene
 

Any time you don’t see what you should or what you think you should in these kinds of dialogs, turn off browse mode.  I haven’t seen this discussed, but these sorts of structures seem to me like hybrid dialogs, sort of dialogs that use a web interface somewhat.  If you turn off browse mode you will be able to see things.
 
Also, there are times in these sorts of dialogs where you will see most things but you may not see one important thing.  It’s a good idea to turn off browse mode and look around to see if you are missing anything when it is on.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium
 
WHen I use NVDA with EDge and I click on favorites, it says dialogue
pain, but doesn't say anything else.
If I restart NVDA, then I can see the favorites menu sometimes.
If I hit control J to activate the downloads folder, nothing happens.
Same if I try and open the history folder.
Narrator will let me read these menus, but I still can't navigate them.
I've tried installing Edge again and running a repair, but nothing works.





Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Arlene
 

Yes, I’ve seen this with Chrome.  When it updates you have to restart Chrome.

 

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From: Gene
Sent: May 13, 2021 3:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Also, after Chrome updates, you have to restart the browser to have the update take effect.  You will be told that and a button is provided in the about information.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

There is a new update to Edge, evidently released very recently.  Mine is updating now.  This update may solve the problem being discussed.  I’m going to test it after the update finishes.

 

As far as finding the about information, do the following:

Open the menu with alt f.  Hold alt when typing f. 

Up arrow to help and support and press enter.

Up arrow to about Chrome and press enter.

You can look at the page as you would a web page.  Start arrowing down and you will soon get to version information.  If Chrome is up-to-date, you will find that stated in that area.

 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:40 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Hi, Where do you find about Edge?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: May 13, 2021 3:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Chrome and all Chrome-based browsers do but you should check that it is up-to-date before testing.  While updates should be automatic, that doesn’t guarantee something didn’t go wrong. 

 

I can tell you how to check if you wish, but I’d have to check.  There are differences between Chrome-based browsers.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Oh, okay. So, if I open Edge. He will just sit there and update himself? I’ll do that right now.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: May 13, 2021 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Edge automatically updates itself but if you haven’t used it in some time, you should open it and let it sit for a few minutes.  Then use the about dialog to see if it is running the current version.  Since the complained of problem occurred after an update, your results wouldn’t match the test criteria unless the program is known to be current.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

I have Jaws and will use it. I haven’t updated edge. It’s there but I haven’t used it in ages.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris Shook
Sent: May 13, 2021 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Just out of curiosity, can someone use JAWS with Edge Chromium and see

what happens?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Chris

It’s a key that used to be found to the left of the right control key on a standard qwerty keyboard but on laptops it could be a key combination dependent on manufacturer.  It is used to provide a context menu and is used to provide context related options in controls such as list entries, spreadsheet cells and other controls which could have associated options.  On more recent machines, it may not be included on the keyboard at all, in which case I believe shift+f10 does the same job.  The word applications is spoken by NVDA keyboard help (NVDA+NumRow 1), so you should be able to find it on your keyboard if it’s there.

Cheers

Chris   

 

 

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From: Chris Shook
Sent: 14 May 2021 22:29
To: lpfau@...
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

May be a stupid question, but what is the applications key?

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Arlene wrote:
For me, the applications key is shift f ten.
-
For me as well.  It's also very commonly referred to as "the menu key" or "the context menu key" outside of formal documentation.

If it's physically present on a keyboard it's always somewhere to the right of the space bar, but where depends on the make/model of computer/keyboard.  If it's not present, SHIFT+F10 is what is used in its place.
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Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Arlene
 

For me, the applications key is shift f ten. Some keyboards have an applications key. If you don’t have one. You just hold down the shift key and hit f ten.  I always do that no matter what kind of Key board I have.  I think with the lap top keyboard it’s the same.Depending on wat you are doing. The applications key will allow you to find things like uninstalling something in your control panel or in open drive if you are in the upload area. What the applications key does is if you want to get to links. You hit the applications key and arrow to link. Hit enter and you can streme the link or download it from open drive but you copy the link.Then you post it to e-mail.   

 

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From: Chris Shook
Sent: May 14, 2021 2:29 PM
To: lpfau@...
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

May be a stupid question, but what is the applications key?

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 04:48 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
that should've been left alone when the recent updates were installed.
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Never gonna happen.  And I have been every bit as frustrated by certain changes as those here are about this one.

There is no constant but change, and nowhere is change more constant than in the world of computing.  You either go with the flow or get drowned.  There is no choice about it.

And that's why accessibility has those two steps forward, one step back episodes.  Sometimes it's the fault of the screen reader makers, who were notified of changes well in advance of their releases but they didn't make the necessary changes in time to have everything work.  Sometimes it's the fault of the other software maker (Microsoft in this case, but not always) where they drop a change that no one in the developer communities was ever informed was coming.  That's never going to change, either, which is why prompt submission of bug reports/feedback/calling support lines when these occur is critical.  No one can fix anything when they don't know it's happening.

And all of the above is true independent of one's visual status and also applies beyond strictly accessibility issues, too.  The way issues not caught by telemetry are identified is via direct complaints from end users, and the number and swiftness of those complaints does play in to priority setting as far as waiting fixes.
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