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Re: NVDA and APA Style

Sandra Pilz
 

What kind of overload are you trying to minimise?  Is it when you read and reread your paper to edit the text, or is it when you edit the bibliography?


I think using reference software could help with both. I like to use a citation style that creates less verbeage when the text is read back to me. When I am done writing, I can simply change the citation style to whatever I need, for example APA. The Software will then change the in-line citations to the required format. Finally, I have it insert my bibliography at the end of my document. Of course, I still have to check the bibliography and at this point, you might feel there is overload again. I am not sure how you could minimise it at this point.


Also, if your paper is nearly done, it is not really feasible to start using reference software now. But maybe you might try it for your next paper.


Regards


Sandra

Am 16.05.2021 um 16:28 schrieb Kelly, Kathleen:

Thank you, however, I am struggling with the auditory overload of NVDA reading all the characters. I cannot process all the information. 


Re: NVDA running on a budget laptop

tim
 

Ben running computers for over 30 years and never heard of genI5/r5?

Now the 8gb of ram is best to stop slugishness, I 3 or 5 with no less then 128emc drive will keep you running a long time with no problem.

here is one to stay away from any notebook with less then 128gb emc drive. I have worked on a bunch with 32 and 64 and windows really don't like these small drives. I either put linux or chrome os on them for max power.

You can get a real good referb for under $300 and under with good specs.





On 5/16/2021 8:20 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

I would do a minimum of 8gb of ram, and a current gen i5/r5. That is as low as you should go. Even with those specs, NVDA is heavy on CPU usage.

On 5/15/2021 7:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Personally, I would not even consider running Windows 10 with less than 8 GB of RAM.  Nor would I consider a Celeron processor, for anything, these days.

I'd invest a bit more for additional memory and a better processor.  You might also consider a refurbished business-class laptop, which can be had at very reasonable prices (or at least could prior to the pandemic - everything's getting more expensive as supply is constrained).
--

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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

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Re: NVDA and APA Style

tim
 

Trying slowing down your speech output.

On 5/16/2021 10:28 AM, Kelly, Kathleen wrote:
Thank you, however, I am struggling with the auditory overload of NVDA reading all the characters. I cannot process all the information. 


Re: [Solved] office 2019 and outlook

Jackie
 

& if I'm not mistaken (& I could well be, it happens w/some degree of
regularity), some of the privacy settings can also affect whether
addresses are auto-completed.

On 5/16/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Gene,

This has been coming up again and again on several groups as people are
getting new machines or setting up completely fresh copies of Office.

Outlook does not use your Contacts for autocomplete, but a list it compiles
as you send e-mail messages out.  Autocomplete often contains addresses not
in your Contacts.  I talked about this briefly (as do the articles
referenced) on the JAWS Group here:
https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/message/88876

When you have a brand-spankin' new installation of Outlook there is no
existing autocomplete list unless you've taken the time to have exported it
prior to the new install, and going through the steps to import that data
into the new install.  This is also talked about in the articles I reference
in the message above.
--

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you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

~ Richard M. Nixon





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Re: [Solved] office 2019 and outlook

 

Gene,

           This has been coming up again and again on several groups as people are getting new machines or setting up completely fresh copies of Office.

            Outlook does not use your Contacts for autocomplete, but a list it compiles as you send e-mail messages out.  Autocomplete often contains addresses not in your Contacts.  I talked about this briefly (as do the articles referenced) on the JAWS Group here: https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/message/88876 

             When you have a brand-spankin' new installation of Outlook there is no existing autocomplete list unless you've taken the time to have exported it prior to the new install, and going through the steps to import that data into the new install.  This is also talked about in the articles I reference in the message above.
--

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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: NVDA running on a budget laptop

Gene
 

Nothing I’ve seen convinces me that NVDA itself uses a lot of computing power.  nor have I seen this with screen-readers in general to the small extent I’ve checked.  Its using the newer synthesizers that uses a lot of computing ;power.  If you want to use the newer voices, I can’t comment on the minimum specifications to get good performance but in the old days, I had machines that today would be laughably underpowered, running Windows 95 and Windows 3.1 and Via Voice, very similar to Eloquence, ran well.  This was in a 166MHZ, not GHZ, Pentium machine and in an even older and less powerful machine running Windows 3.1. 
 
As for NVDA using a lot of computing power, if I monitor use when I’m typing text with carachter echo on in the Windows Task manager, I get low numbers.  I just checked and while moving up and down the list in task manager, then pressing f5 to refresh the screen, I get a 6 percent CPU reading.  When typing in this e-mail message, alt tabbing immediately to the task manager and refreshing the screen, I get a 10 percent usage reading.
 
I’m not saying there won’t be variations, but those figures are close to what I generally get when I test doing these things.
 
And I haven’t seen complaints about the performance of NVDA from people using tablets. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA running on a budget laptop
 

I would do a minimum of 8gb of ram, and a current gen i5/r5. That is as low as you should go. Even with those specs, NVDA is heavy on CPU usage.

On 5/15/2021 7:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Personally, I would not even consider running Windows 10 with less than 8 GB of RAM.  Nor would I consider a Celeron processor, for anything, these days.

I'd invest a bit more for additional memory and a better processor.  You might also consider a refurbished business-class laptop, which can be had at very reasonable prices (or at least could prior to the pandemic - everything's getting more expensive as supply is constrained).
--

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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

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Re: [Solved] office 2019 and outlook

Gene
 

I’m not sure what may be causing the problem.  Someone else may have suggestions.  I may be wrong, but I vaguely seem to remember this being asked about on a list I follow.  If you can’t resolve the problem, there may be a work around that works as well or almost as well. 
 
Windows Live Mail has a search contacts function.  While it may not be the case, if Windows Live Mail has it, Outlook likely does.  this might solve your problem. 
I generally type the first name of the contact I’m looking for and I usually find it efficiently that way.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 6:34 AM
Subject: [nvda] office 2019 and outlook
 

Hi

Using the latest nvda and windows 10 pro

Lately if I create a new email.

I type in the email address.  Nvda tells me use your up and down keys to get  contact sugestions, but it gives me no emails addresses.

GBut it is there.  Any help will be greatful.

Thanks

Timothy

 

 


Re: Windows 10 ocr & nvda

Michael Maslo
 

Hello, so if I use Windows 10 OCR, it should read everything on the screen or just on the element which I am focused? Regarding to getting the numeric keypad, is that so I can read the results of the screen or what? I’m trying to find the best solution for skimming a screen when there is unreadable text on it.

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

On May 16, 2021, at 10:48, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:

The OCR is applied to the navegation object focused.

So, if yo tab to a button and perform the OCR, it will be applied only to that button...


Normally you should go up some levels in the object hierarchy untill you reach the window object...


Rui


Às 15:51 de 16/05/2021, Michael Maslo escreveu:
Hello everyone, I was wondering if someone would be able to explain on how to use the windows 10 ocr add on? I installed it and hit the insert plus r. It said it was performing the o c r. And then it said it was done when I tried to read the results, I couldn't. Can someone explain in how to use this please?

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

Sincerely,

Michael maslo






Re: Windows 10 ocr & nvda

Rui Fontes
 

The OCR is applied to the navegation object focused.

So, if yo tab to a button and perform the OCR, it will be applied only to that button...


Normally you should go up some levels in the object hierarchy untill you reach the window object...


Rui


Às 15:51 de 16/05/2021, Michael Maslo escreveu:

Hello everyone, I was wondering if someone would be able to explain on how to use the windows 10 ocr add on? I installed it and hit the insert plus r. It said it was performing the o c r. And then it said it was done when I tried to read the results, I couldn't. Can someone explain in how to use this please?

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

Sincerely,

Michael maslo



Re: NVDA running on a budget laptop

 

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 02:21 AM, Jeff Samco wrote:
to be  confident the laptop won't frustrate me.
-
And right there is the key point.  One can definitely use a "less finely specced" machine than one's home workhorse when all it's meant for is light duty emailing, web browsing, word processing, and even streaming, but even when something with really minimum spec works (and I have an ancient Gateway with 4GB and old Intel processor that does), "works" is often not enough to make one feel OK while using it.

You still want the speed and responsiveness you're used to on your regular machine, but just for lighter loads.  With Windows 10, it's almost certain that you will not have that experience with under 8GB of RAM, and you absolutely won't if you've got less than that with a really old processor and a conventional HDD.   SSDs can and do gain you a lot of zippy-ness when it comes to tasks that are disk I/O intensive.  Boot times shrink incredibly.  But for stuff that's not disk I/O intensive, and the intended uses aren't, your throttling point is typically from the combination of processing power and RAM, which are intimately related in that a poor processor with lots of RAM could, in theory, work better than a mediocre (or good) processor with insufficient RAM.  

Windows 10, and all modern OSes, are now built to absolutely maximize their exploitation of available RAM to make faster performance (from the user perspective, anyway) happen.

I've never owned anything near to a "flagship machine" myself, because I don't have the need for that kind of processing power or speed.  I have, at times past, had to get "the cheapest thing possible" so I've lived with these long term, and it wasn't fun.

Often even small increases in price on the lower end of the market get you some pretty substantial performance boosts.

In the end, I'm really not telling anyone what they should buy, because I can't know that.  Only the individual making the choice knows what is "minimally acceptable" to them.  But I am trying to identify factors to consider.  You have to make the choice in the end, and what's right for me, or any random someone else, may not be right for you.
 
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Re: Windows 10 ocr & nvda

P. Otter
 

hello there, you have to use the numberic block.
if you use a laptop, use the functionkey to activate the numberic block keys!
cheers
paul otter


Op 16-5-2021 om 16:51 schreef Michael Maslo:

Hello everyone, I was wondering if someone would be able to explain on how to use the windows 10 ocr add on? I installed it and hit the insert plus r. It said it was performing the o c r. And then it said it was done when I tried to read the results, I couldn't. Can someone explain in how to use this please?

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

Sincerely,

Michael maslo



Windows 10 ocr & nvda

Michael Maslo
 

Hello everyone, I was wondering if someone would be able to explain on how to use the windows 10 ocr add on? I installed it and hit the insert plus r. It said it was performing the o c r. And then it said it was done when I tried to read the results, I couldn't. Can someone explain in how to use this please?

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

Sincerely,

Michael maslo


Re: NVDA and APA Style

Kelly, Kathleen
 

Thank you, however, I am struggling with the auditory overload of NVDA reading all the characters. I cannot process all the information. 


Re: NVDA running on a budget laptop

Greg Epley <greg.epley64@...>
 

Others correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe "ReadyBoost" is a Microsoft Windows feature, so it's just part of Windows. As far as the trick working, however, I've tried it on two laptops, but am told they are each already running as fast as they can. Basically that "ReadyBoost" won't help performance. So, using ReadyBoost is NOT a given performance booster available to anyone and everyone. Also, sorry that all my posts have been "echoing", but for whatever strange reason, Mozilla Thunderbird has "Reply to List" ghosted, and I couldn't even get the "Reply to Group" send mail link to do a darned thing when I clicked it, so I am hoping this makes it to the list, though it's doing so without quoting the original message given the crazy way I had to trigger any reply whatsoever.

-Greg Epley


Re: NVDA running on a budget laptop

enes sarıbaş
 

I would do a minimum of 8gb of ram, and a current gen i5/r5. That is as low as you should go. Even with those specs, NVDA is heavy on CPU usage.

On 5/15/2021 7:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Personally, I would not even consider running Windows 10 with less than 8 GB of RAM.  Nor would I consider a Celeron processor, for anything, these days.

I'd invest a bit more for additional memory and a better processor.  You might also consider a refurbished business-class laptop, which can be had at very reasonable prices (or at least could prior to the pandemic - everything's getting more expensive as supply is constrained).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


[Solved] office 2019 and outlook

Timothy VD Berg
 

Hi

Using the latest nvda and windows 10 pro

Lately if I create a new email.

I type in the email address.  Nvda tells me use your up and down keys to get  contact sugestions, but it gives me no emails addresses.

GBut it is there.  Any help will be greatful.

Thanks

Timothy

 

 


Re: NVDA running on a budget laptop

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Whilst I agree with Brian about Cnot using Celeron processors, I run Windows 10 on a 10 year old laptop with 3Gb of Ram and a 2.6GHz processor.  I did update to a SSD a couple of years ago.  The performance is  perfectly acceptable and I use it primarily for browsing, email and occasional word processing with Brave, Windows mail and Libra Office.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 16 May 2021 01:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA running on a budget laptop

 

Personally, I would not even consider running Windows 10 with less than 8 GB of RAM.  Nor would I consider a Celeron processor, for anything, these days.

I'd invest a bit more for additional memory and a better processor.  You might also consider a refurbished business-class laptop, which can be had at very reasonable prices (or at least could prior to the pandemic - everything's getting more expensive as supply is constrained).
--

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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 

 


Re: NVDA running on a budget laptop

Jeff Samco
 

Thank you Rui, David, Brian and Monte. I wish I could be comfortable with  a simple processor like the  celeron but probably need an I5 or equivalent to be  confident the laptop won't frustrate me.

Jeff

At 05:46 PM 5/15/2021, you wrote:

If you could even move up to a low end icore 3 or 5 processor,  the difference would be noticeable.

In a machine like you describe, and if I had only one choice, I would  go for a better processor instead of more ram.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Samco
Sent: May 15, 2021 6:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA running on a budget laptop

 

I am looking to purchase a second, low cost and compact laptop for some upcoming travelling. I only expect to be running NVDA, basic web browsing, email using MS Outlook and simple word processing. I don't know how much MVDA uses in terms of processing resources and would like some advice. I am considering the following laptop:

HP Stream Pro 11 G5, Celeron N4000 / 1.1 GHz, Windows 10 Pro 64-bit National Academic, 4 GB RAM, 128 GB EMMC, 11.6" Display 1366 X 768 (HD), UHD Graphics 600, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth - Kbd: US - 5VD62UT#ABA

Does anyone know if this configuration will perform well enough or should I move up to another level of processor?
Thanks for any input.
Jeff


Re: faced 2 problems while using zoom with NVDA

Sharad Koirala
 

thank you.
the trick of saving the chats whenever one needs to open a link is useful.

On 5/15/21, Eilana Benish <benish.ilana@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everybody

I don't think that we can change the option to enter slide shows or
websites that are shared with share screen on zoom. when someone shares a
screen it is like you are watching TV or other video content so you cannot
access the shared screen

The only way to interact with someone else is screen is if the other side
gives you remote control when sharing screen. in addition, in order to use
the other one computer with screen reader they will have to install screen
reader on their computer.

As far as the links on the chat panel - here's what I do with NVDA

· I open the chat panel with Alt + h - which is the default
keyboard shortcut inszoom

· the cursor is located at the message area where you can type a
message.

· if you don't want to type a message you can press tab to move to
the messages list.

· keep pressing tab to move to the next message and Shift + TAB
to
go back to the previous message.

In the last version of zone that I have, moving between messages in the
list message cannot be achieved with the up and down arrow keys

· to open the link press enter when the URL receives focus.





‫בתאריך יום ה׳, 13 במאי 2021 ב-21:49 מאת ‪Scott Salzman‬‏ <‪
scott.salzman@furman.edu‬‏>:‬

Here's some additional follow-up to Sarah's suggestions. Apologies for
all of this detail. I hope some of it may be helpful.

There's a "Save Chat" button, in the Chat window, under the "More Chat
Options" button. You can use this button to save the chat at any time,
as
many times as you like during a Zoom meeting. NVDA does not announce
anything when you press the "Save Chat" button, but if you tab backwards
a
few times, you'll land on a "Show in Folder" button, which will open a
File
Explorer window that has your saved chat text file.

It looks like this save chat function will save any updates to the same
file, so you'll only have one saved chat file, for each meeting. Even if
the function to automatically save chat at the end of the meeting has
been
enabled, it looks like that also updates the same file. So any time you
open this file, it should contain all of the chat messages, as of the
last
time chat was saved in that meeting.

Note that in Zoom versions 4.5.0 or later, there is a setting under the
"Meetings" tab, that would allow a host to "Prevent participants from
saving chat". This setting is different from, and independent of the
"Auto
saving chats" setting, which only saves chat at the end of the meeting.
Not surprisingly, if I start a Zoom meeting with the "Prevent
participants
from saving chat" setting enabled, I can't make it available during that
meeting, even if I change the setting.

Thanks.

Scott


Scott Salzman
Web Discovery Librarian
Furman University


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob
Cavanaugh via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] faced 2 problems while using zoom with NVDA

That's the problem I have with accessing things on Zoom, I can't seem to
access anything until the chat is saved at the end of the meeting.
I can read messages, but I can't seem to copy them to the clipboard until
the meeting is ended, when a text file pops up with the entire chat up to
the point you copied.

On 5/7/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
For your first question you won't be able to access the slides. They
are
images. For your second question I am able to tab to links, if not
access the text file that will be there at the end of your chat. Or
save the chat and the text file will update.

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On 7 May 2021, at 2:34, Sharad Koirala wrote:

hi group members,

I am facing two problems while using zoom with NVDA:
1. I am not able to access the screen someone has shared in a
meeting, for e.g. when I am attending a powerpoint presentation I
cannot access the slides the presenter has shared during the
presentation 2. I am not able to access a link shared in the chat box
(I even tried to copy it when I could not open the link with no
success)

what could be the solutions to these problems?

thanks,

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Re: NVDA running on a budget laptop

Ian Blackburn
 

Yes after an update sometimes you have to set that up again


On 16 May 2021, at 10:15 am, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:



Hi Ian,

 

I’ve hear of  this thing where you use an s d card or a thumb drive   to increase your p c ram.

I have it set up here on my hp 6th generation i5 with 8 gig of ddr4.

The software I  installed with the dedicated thumb drive is called “ready boost”.

I don’t know if it makes much difference,  but this machine is certainly doing all I need.

Except, when m s does another update to win10  and things get wrecked!!

 

Cheers,

 

Monte

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian Blackburn
Sent: May 15, 2021 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA running on a budget laptop

 

If the machine has an SD card in it you can set that up to be virtual RAM years ago I did that on a secondhand laptop and it improved performance with the screen reader running are used to buy secondhand laptops from a company here in Australia but they don’t have any at the moment they were used business machines


On 16 May 2021, at 9:26 am, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:



If you use speech such as the more computer intensive synthesizers, you may use considerably more resources, I’m not sure.  but something like Eloquence or E-speak doesn’t use much resources and screen-readers, not considering synthesizers, don’t use much. 

 

I don’t know how much resources One Core voices use but I suspect Eloquence uses considerably less.  Others with more technical knowleddge may want to comment but I think the screen-reader use of computer resources is mainly a question about which synthesizer you use. 

 

I’m not recommending any computer, I don’t know enough about performance with not powerful machines to discuss it except to say that I don’t think the screen-reader needs to be considered to any extent if you use a synthesizer that isn’t demanding on resources.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 7:46 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA running on a budget laptop

 

If you could even move up to a low end icore 3 or 5 processor,  the difference would be noticeable.

In a machine like you describe, and if I had only one choice, I would  go for a better processor instead of more ram.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Samco
Sent: May 15, 2021 6:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA running on a budget laptop

 

I am looking to purchase a second, low cost and compact laptop for some upcoming travelling. I only expect to be running NVDA, basic web browsing, email using MS Outlook and simple word processing. I don't know how much MVDA uses in terms of processing resources and would like some advice. I am considering the following laptop:

HP Stream Pro 11 G5, Celeron N4000 / 1.1 GHz, Windows 10 Pro 64-bit National Academic, 4 GB RAM, 128 GB EMMC, 11.6" Display 1366 X 768 (HD), UHD Graphics 600, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth - Kbd: US - 5VD62UT#ABA

Does anyone know if this configuration will perform well enough or should I move up to another level of processor?
Thanks for any input.
Jeff

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