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Re: Accessible iPhone screen mirroring software with NVDA

g melconian <gmelconian619@...>
 

Android devices  do this . 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible iPhone screen mirroring software with NVDA

 

Hi, I really don’t think so. If you want to have that kind of thing. I think you’d be better off if you can find the right phone that will support NVDA. The I phone is apple.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: mohammad suliman
Sent: May 20, 2021 11:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessible iPhone screen mirroring software with NVDA

 

Hi all,

hope all of you are doing well,

 

I think the subject line pretty says it all. Is someone aware of an accessible screen mirroring software with NVDA to mirror the screen of the iPhone?

Does the software (if it exists) supports having voiceover sound come from the PC speakers?

 

Thanks for any kind of help you may have,

Mohammad

 


Re: Screen Reader Compatibility with Third Party Website(s)

Arlene
 

H, okay. I’m okay with gmail. I was just curious.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: May 20, 2021 4:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader Compatibility with Third Party Website(s)

 

Arlene,

Presuming iCloud has standard IMAP access protocol, it can be used in an email client under any operating system, including Android and Linux, in addition to Windows.  You just have to add the account to your email client.
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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 

 


Re: Screen Reader Compatibility with Third Party Website(s)

 

Arlene,

Presuming iCloud has standard IMAP access protocol, it can be used in an email client under any operating system, including Android and Linux, in addition to Windows.  You just have to add the account to your email client.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Screen Reader Compatibility with Third Party Website(s)

Arlene
 

Yes, I cloud is apple mail. I have an I phone. It was given to me as a gift. I don’t have my gmail on it. I know it can be done that’s why I asked if I cloud can be used in a windows email client. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: May 20, 2021 4:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader Compatibility with Third Party Website(s)

 

Virtually any I software you can name that's not iOS has a Windows port.

But I'm not clear how iCloud would come in to the picture relative to Gmail.  I may be remembering wrong, since I don't use Apple, but I thought iCloud was Apple's equivalent of OneDrive, Google Drive, DropBox, etc.
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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

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Re: Screen Reader Compatibility with Third Party Website(s)

 

Virtually any I software you can name that's not iOS has a Windows port.

But I'm not clear how iCloud would come in to the picture relative to Gmail.  I may be remembering wrong, since I don't use Apple, but I thought iCloud was Apple's equivalent of OneDrive, Google Drive, DropBox, etc.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Screen Reader Compatibility with Third Party Website(s)

Arlene
 

Can I cloud be used with windows? I use gmail. Just curious.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Luke Davis
Sent: May 20, 2021 9:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader Compatibility with Third Party Website(s)

 

Brian Vogel wrote:

 

> Simple answer:  Yes.There will be the rare exception, but even those rare exceptions should not go from wonderfully accessible to "I can't get at anything

> anymore."

 

You've clearly never tried to use iCloud.com in Chrome vurses Firefox. :)

 

After that experience you might be less general in that statement.

 

Luke

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Accessible iPhone screen mirroring software with NVDA

Arlene
 

Hi, I really don’t think so. If you want to have that kind of thing. I think you’d be better off if you can find the right phone that will support NVDA. The I phone is apple.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: mohammad suliman
Sent: May 20, 2021 11:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessible iPhone screen mirroring software with NVDA

 

Hi all,

hope all of you are doing well,

 

I think the subject line pretty says it all. Is someone aware of an accessible screen mirroring software with NVDA to mirror the screen of the iPhone?

Does the software (if it exists) supports having voiceover sound come from the PC speakers?

 

Thanks for any kind of help you may have,

Mohammad

 


Re: weird issue with windows 21h1

Dave Grossoehme
 

Hi Again:  As an insider I reported the error for you.  You might want to report it as well to Feedback hub.

Dave

On 5/18/2021 12:08 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Well today I decided to install the latest windows feature update.

I checked for updates.

It loaded everything fine.

I then went to install the feature update.

I got error 0x08000fff immediately which was strange.

The update however did install without a problem.

On restart though I get a please wait from windows update sfc and dizm havn't done much but its not like its all dead, the system works.

I tried uninstalling, restoring and trying again.

Same thing, I tried on my asus desktop which had the update, it didn't happen and everything worked as expected.

In the short to medium term even long term its not bad, I have latest drivers for my display and chipset, as well as audio according to hp which is realtech.

The update and restart and update and shutdown boxes exist, but its not like the system aint going to run.

As long as I can install updates manually I guess it will be ok.

One thing's for sure though I will hold off on updating my media backups, those are 20h2 or 2004 and probably I don't need to bother updating them I guess.

Not ssure what I will do.

One thing I will not do is ring microsoft tech support.

To many bad memmories.

The system works, it boots and its not broken.






Re: weird issue with windows 21h1

Dave Grossoehme
 

Hi There:  I'd wait a short time and see what happens.  Some users were getting an error message when updating in an for the insiders a couple of weeks ago.  It's being worked on.  It's possible that where your problem is.

Dave

On 5/18/2021 12:08 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Well today I decided to install the latest windows feature update.

I checked for updates.

It loaded everything fine.

I then went to install the feature update.

I got error 0x08000fff immediately which was strange.

The update however did install without a problem.

On restart though I get a please wait from windows update sfc and dizm havn't done much but its not like its all dead, the system works.

I tried uninstalling, restoring and trying again.

Same thing, I tried on my asus desktop which had the update, it didn't happen and everything worked as expected.

In the short to medium term even long term its not bad, I have latest drivers for my display and chipset, as well as audio according to hp which is realtech.

The update and restart and update and shutdown boxes exist, but its not like the system aint going to run.

As long as I can install updates manually I guess it will be ok.

One thing's for sure though I will hold off on updating my media backups, those are 20h2 or 2004 and probably I don't need to bother updating them I guess.

Not ssure what I will do.

One thing I will not do is ring microsoft tech support.

To many bad memmories.

The system works, it boots and its not broken.






Re: Accessible iPhone screen mirroring software with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Thereis reflector, and even zoom, however I will warn you, the delay is such that if you are trying to demo something time sensetive, it might or might not work depending on what it is.

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On 20 May 2021, at 11:25, mohammad suliman wrote:

Hi all,
hope all of you are doing well,

I think the subject line pretty says it all. Is someone aware of an accessible screen mirroring software with NVDA to mirror the screen of the iPhone?
Does the software (if it exists) supports having voiceover sound come from the PC speakers?

Thanks for any kind of help you may have,
Mohammad


Re: Accessible iPhone screen mirroring software with NVDA

tim
 

No, because its apple.

You can use xcode with a mac or iPad to emulate a iPhone. Now how far that accessibility goes not sure.

On 5/20/2021 2:25 PM, mohammad suliman wrote:
Hi all,
hope all of you are doing well,

I think the subject line pretty says it all. Is someone aware of an accessible screen mirroring software with NVDA to mirror the screen of the iPhone?
Does the software (if it exists) supports having voiceover sound come from the PC speakers?

Thanks for any kind of help you may have,
Mohammad


Re: Accessible iPhone screen mirroring software with NVDA

Richard Kuzma
 

Good afternoon,

I don’t know of anything here, but would be definitely interested also if there is.

Thanks,

Rich

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mohammad suliman
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 2:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessible iPhone screen mirroring software with NVDA

 

Hi all,

hope all of you are doing well,

 

I think the subject line pretty says it all. Is someone aware of an accessible screen mirroring software with NVDA to mirror the screen of the iPhone?

Does the software (if it exists) supports having voiceover sound come from the PC speakers?

 

Thanks for any kind of help you may have,

Mohammad


Accessible iPhone screen mirroring software with NVDA

mohammad suliman
 

Hi all,
hope all of you are doing well,

I think the subject line pretty says it all. Is someone aware of an accessible screen mirroring software with NVDA to mirror the screen of the iPhone?
Does the software (if it exists) supports having voiceover sound come from the PC speakers?

Thanks for any kind of help you may have,
Mohammad


My Tutorials, "Lectures," and other Miscellany - Collectively

 

In another topic, Luke Davis wrote:  Brian, do you have a website with all of your tutorials and such available, rather than having to push them out any time someone needs one via Google drive? Not that there's anything wrong with the latter, but it seems like it would be easier on you.

The answer to the question is, "No, and that's an accident of history, and there will likely never be one."  I just don't want to have to get into maintaining either a website or a webpage.

However, I was asked pretty much the same question last fall, I decided to take the MS-Word file where I have all the links to these, along with other information I've posted enough times and know will come up again, in a single MS-Word document that is also on Google Drive: Brian Vogel’s End User Collection – Tutorials and more . . .

 


My private file contains a lot of other stuff not pertinent to these groups, so I couldn't just put it out there.  I also hadn't bothered with even the vaguest arranging of items, as I long ago knew that I put them in that private file and the word(s) I needed to search on to find them.  Things are divided into groupings in the end user version of the file.  I try to remember to add anything I create as time is going by to both locations, though I may have missed something.  But if anyone knows that, at one time or another, I've posted something downloadable about a given program or similar, don't hesitate to ask.  I'll find it in my private list and transfer that same link to the End User Collection if I accidentally omitted it.
.
And before anyone asks, yes, I am granting myself a dispensation to go semi-off-topic here.  Scads of what I've written as far as tutorials go are NVDA-related, lots of other stuff is not, and there is no point in trying to separate out the two before posting something like this here.  A very great many of my tutorials are screen reader agnostic by deliberate design.  I can hand them to a JAWS user, Window Eyes (out of support, I know) user, etc., and they can still be followed.
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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

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Re: Screen Reader Compatibility with Third Party Website(s)

Sarah k Alawami
 

Agreed, all I can say is, yuck!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader Compatibility with Third Party Website(s)

Brian Vogel wrote:

Simple answer: Yes.There will be the rare exception, but even those
rare exceptions should not go from wonderfully accessible to "I can't get at anything anymore."
You've clearly never tried to use iCloud.com in Chrome vurses Firefox. :)

After that experience you might be less general in that statement.

Luke


Re: words with no spaces on this web page?

Sarah k Alawami
 

It is a CMS. I contacted the person and told them to tell their developers to change themes or what not. We’ll see, it’s probably too late, but next year hopefully they can do this.

 

Thanks all.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav Saraf
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] words with no spaces on this web page?

 

Hi,

 

This looks to be a little crazy piece of code. Any particular reason why it would have been put this way?

 

A guess from my side is that it is not the developer's code, but something coming from a CMS sort of thing.

 

Thanks,

Vaibhav

 

 

On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:50, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Actually the developer did notice a mistake in paragraphs as well so they will fix that to make the page easier to read as they were even having trouble.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 4:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] words with no spaces on this web page?

 

I don’t know if there is a way, such as an add-on, to skip blank lines.  But blank lines should be shown .  Not doing so means incorrect copy and paste and it also doesn’t give a true representation of what is on screen.  It may be that you could have a setting to show paragraphs or not when in browse mode, but showing them should be a choice and it should be the default.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: zahra

Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 6:26 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] words with no spaces on this web page?

 

but i really hate blank lines especially when i have problems with
blank lines using Say all and skim reading enabled.
i thought that web pages have not blank lines at all and i was glad!
in notepad++, i find an option that removes all empty lines or blank
line and i really love it.
i wish that no book, no article, no web page or any email have not
blank lines at all!
for me, if nvda causes disappearing blank lines, i really love it and
appreciate it!

On 5/20/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Thinking about what I wrote in my quoted message below, why does NVDA browse
> mode not show blank lines where paragraphs occur?  This would make it
> unnecessary to turn off browse mode to correctly copy text.  And, since I
> would think most blind people don’t know this is a problem in the first
> place, my guess is that a lot of blind people routinely send incorrectly
> formatted text to sighted people.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 4:20 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] words with no spaces on this web page?
>
> When I send information to sighted people that is more than a few lines,
> such as an article or an excerpt of an article that is long enough to amount
> to something, I copy it with browse mode off.  If you check, you will see
> that no paragraph indications are present in the browse mode representation
> of a page.  You can down arrow through an article and you won’t see blank
> lines.  If you copy text with browse mode off, you will see blank lines
> where paragraphs occur.
>
> I’m not discussing this to be argumentative but it is important to know
> this.  Sighted people find it very difficult reading long blocs of text with
> no paragraph breaks.  For some reason, it is visually very difficult.  Also,
> you want to send text in a standard format and not appear as though you or
> your equipment is in some way deficient to a sighted reader.  the reader
> won’t know that the screen-reader is causing the problem.  All they will
> know is that they are being sent incorrectly formatted text.
>
> In addition, as I said, in this specific instance, copying the text with
> browse mode off and pasting it into Notepad produces text with proper
> spacing.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 4:05 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] words with no spaces on this web page?
>
> When you are in browse mode, it copies from the browse mode buffer.  You
> need to have browse mode off to copy directly from the page.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarah k Alawami
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 3:20 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] words with no spaces on this web page?
>
> Actually, when I copied the example, I was in browse mode. So it copied
> straight from the website to the email.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene
> <gsasner@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:46:43 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] words with no spaces on this web page?
>
> I just tried copying and pasting the text while in browse mode and there
> were no spaces.  I don’t know if this would be an accessibility problem.  If
> an incorrect carachter is being used, it may be but it may be that, whatever
> the case, NVDA should be made to recognize the carachter.  It may be used
> elsewhere.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 1:41 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] words with no spaces on this web page?
>
> If you follow the resend confirmation link, you will see the page being
> discussed.  I’m saying this as a general comment to anyone.  Try things if
> they aren’t dangerous.  You may find the solution to problems or you may be
> able to do something you are attempting.
>
> In this case, I thought I might see some sort of registration but the page
> came up.  Either way, I didn’t think following the link would be dangerous.
>
> I saw the text with no spaces but if I turn off browse mode, select all and
> paste it to the clipboard and paste it into Notepad, the spaces are
> present.
>
> Evidently, the site is using a nonstandard carachter for space which NVDA
> doesn’t recognize but which is recognized by the browser.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarah k Alawami
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:14 PM
> To: Nvda List
> Subject: [nvda] words with no spaces on this web page?
>
> Hello. You can access this web page  to see what I’m talking about. When I
> explore the page, I get words with no spaces, yet the sighted person sees
> words with spaces. I’ve been in touch with the expo guys, and they have been
> in touch with their developers who did this form and the site, and they
> suggested I use chrome, that failed, and brave failed. Here is an example of
> what I’m seeing.
>
>
>
>
>
> ThankyouforyourinterestinparticipatinginFlightSimExpoonSeptember24-26,2021inSanDiego,California.
>
>
>
>
> The form where the radio buttons read correctly.  The section reading
> “In-Person Registration - All Weekend ($70.00)” reads correctly as well, but
> what should I tell them about what’s going on. Narrator shows each word as a
> separate element by the way.
>
>
>
> Take care.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Screen Reader Compatibility with Third Party Website(s)

 

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
You've clearly never tried to use iCloud.com in Chrome vurses Firefox. :)
-
I've never tried to use iCloud, period.  I assiduously avoid Apple to the maximum extent possible.

Still wouldn't change my generalization one bit.  This is what I'd call, "The exception that proves the rule."  There are always outliers on the great bell curve that do just that.  This falls into the category of very rare indeed.
 
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Re: Screen Reader Compatibility with Third Party Website(s)

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

Simple answer:  Yes.There will be the rare exception, but even those rare exceptions should not go from wonderfully accessible to "I can't get at anything
anymore."
You've clearly never tried to use iCloud.com in Chrome vurses Firefox. :)

After that experience you might be less general in that statement.

Luke


Re: words with no spaces on this web page?

Luke Davis
 

I have thought that maybe they generated this code in some sort of template based application, that puts a formatting comment after each word or some such.

Then, a next step in the process is consuming those comments, and in so doing erases their content, but not the comment markers, which are usually harmless.

I don't know why any set of systems would work like this, but something might.

You might find useful info in the headers of the page; such software often leaves a signature there.

Luke

Vaibhav Saraf wrote:

This looks to be a little crazy piece of code. Any particular reason why it would have been put this way?
A guess from my side is that it is not the developer's code, but something coming from a CMS sort of thing.


Re: Screen Reader Compatibility with Third Party Website(s)

 

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:11 PM, Gene wrote:
those who want the best chance of getting better or good access should have both on their machine. 
-
Accessibility aside, those who want an "optimal experience" (however they might define that) should have multiple browsers on their machine and know how to use them.  Even within a class of browsers that use the same common code (Chromium, in the case of Chromium, Chrome, MS-Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, and more) there can be slight differences in how well each "plays with" a given website.

Generally, having some variant of Firefox, if not Firefox itself, and at least two Chromium-based browsers (and MS-Edge comes with Win10) is a very good idea indeed.  And particularly where accessibility is concerned.  I've way more than once seen the same website work considerably more smoothly with a screen reader when one browser is being used versus another.
 
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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

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