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locked Re: History with Jarte and NVDA

Brian Vogel
 

Jarte is indeed out of support as far as ongoing development and maintenance, but given the nature of the program, and that the producers are still keeping their website active and allowing downloading of Jarte Plus at no cost, they're not telegraphing that it should not be used.  It lives in a sort of twilight world where its makers are not pulling it but they're also not doing any further development on it.  It's not unlike Classic Shell in that regard, although the makers of CS are pointing people to Open Shell, if memory serves.

Should there come a point where something actually breaks as far as Jarte and Windows 10 go, then the only alternative would be another alternative.  That's just the way it goes with abandonware, as it's often called.

Since Jarte does not, if memory serves, have much (if any) intimate contact with cyberspace outside its update function which, obviously, will no longer work I would not feel uncomfortable using it from a security standpoint unless something is found with regard to it having a previously undetected vulnerability to attack.
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Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Martin McCormick
 

First, my deepest thanks to each one of you who replied to my
question which, as I said before, I should know the answer to by
now.
"Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> writes:
Can you tell us the publication date of this specific article? We (and
especially, I) need this info because Windows 10 keeps changing, and what
may have worked a year ago won't work quite the same.
It says that this article was

Last Updated on February 21, 2021 by admin 23 Comments

Even better, here's the url.

https://www.intowindows.com/command-prompt-as-administrator-in-windows-10/

>Also, the fastest way
to open Command Prompt or PowerShell in admin mode is pressing Windows+X,
followed by A, then saying Yes to UAC prompt
We are on to something but I am not sure what just yet.

I wonder if I am not starting out in the wrong place for
some reason.

When I wake the computer from sleep and enter the
login password, if I press nvda+divide, I am frequently on the
desktop. If I press Windows+x, I hear "context menu" from nvda.
Pressing the comma key, yields that strum sound we all love to
hear that means that nothing good, actually, nothing at all just
happened. There is no UAC prompt. Pressing the down arrow gives

Apps and FeaturesPower options, event viewer,system, device
managernetwork connections,disk management, computer management,
Windows power shell, Windows power shell (admin), task manager,
settings, File Explorer, search, run, shutdown or sign out,
and desktop

If one presses the Up arrow just after Windows+x, desktop
is the first thing above Apps and Features. I think they call
this a carousel. I really don't like those because a complex one
can trick one in to going through parts of it more than once,
thinking one is doing something new, sort of the 2021 version of
the little moron jokes that were going around in the late1950's.
Hint. On both sides of a piece of paper, one writes,

"How do you keep a little moron busy? See other side."

When I was six or seven years old, I thought it was
funny. It's still funny unless you are the one sucked in to the
modern version of it.

Anyway, Power Shell (Admin) probably makes you do the UAC
drill, but pressing the Comma just after Windows-x did nothing.

Somewhere, there is a personalize in the control panel
that lets one replace the admin power shell with the Command
Prompt.

I have discovered that Command prompt is good for many
things but Power shell is good for others. From my unix
upbringing, the command prompt as root does it all, the good, bad
and the ugly to borrow a movie title.

Martin
locked History with Jarte and NVDA

David Russell
 

Hello NVDA Group,

To Gene, David, and others interested.

Gene, Jarte was a 'nimble' word processor said to be basic and not
have all the bells and whistles found on MS Word. I believe only
Jarte+ is available for free, or at its cost of under twenty-five US
dollars. Also, the plus version offers spelling error features via the
screen reader mode, and again mimics WordPad. That answers your
question of what I ant it to do for a significant savings: act like MS
Word for a savings of over 50 percent.

The issue of the product no longer being supported is concerning.
Should this raise 'flags' and what might those be?

To David, a friend suggested LibreOffice, too. I note from doing a
Google search, there were issues in 2019 with this program repeating
words, skipping text, and perhaps spellcheck. I did pick up on the
producers being passionate from what I read by them. As a writer, I am
reliant on software working well and together. These past issues were
said to occur between LibreOffice and either Jaws or NVDA. If you can
allay my concerns to their existence, I will give LibreOffice strong
consideration as it is still active!
I have files on a thumb drive produced in the 2013 version of MS Word.
Jarte will read those. Can one expect the same from LibreOffice?

Excuse me for my wordiness, but I have found that two or more heads on
a matter may be better than one.. Thanks!

--
David C. Russell, Author
Re: NVDA Satisfaction Survey 2021

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin,

 

That’s fine. In fact, I agree that you need a balancing question that challenges the positive assertions so the need to have the responder identify as a tester or user is fine and should do the trick!

 

I appreciate your full answer

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Satisfaction Survey 2021

 

Yes that's basically it - the third question,  “Is the use primarily for Accessibility testing?” , is essentially meant to distinguish those who use NVDA primarily as end-users from those who probably aren't end-users and use NVDA primarily for accessibility testing.  Or in other words, so we can find out how highly end users rate NVDA as being useful in meeting their needs, and how highly it gets rated by non-end user developers and testers in meeting how they use it.

 

Of course there will be a fair bit of overlap and quite a large proportion of end users will say that even just relying on NVDA means you spend an amount of time doing the testing and documenting of issues which developers may not have done.  I guess the intent then is in that word "primarily" - if you are an end-user, then yes we know you likely provide feedback to us and others to help make products better - and we very much appreciate that, but your experience will still be different to those who are sighted web developers and only use NVDA occasionally to test changes to a site for instance.

 

So, that question particularly may not be perfect, but we went for simplicity originally (and consistency this year in keeping the same wording).  If you're unsure, go with your gut instinct :)

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:23 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:57 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

“Is the use primarily for Accessibility testing?” Does an answer “yes” mean that the person does not use NVDA for purposes of accessing everything on the computer but only while testing the accessibility of apps?

-
Th at's how I've always taken that question.

I think it's meant to differentiate feedback from people like myself, who use NVDA for accessibility testing purposes, but who do not depend on it in any way or use it as our primary, or even secondary, method of gaining access to "all things on the PC."

I'll be curious to see if my interpretation, and it looks like yours as well, is congruent with what the people who posed the question were trying to get at.

My feedback, though not frequent nor in the depth that some give, cannot possibly be as comprehensive as what might come from someone using a screen reader as "a daily driver" could likely provide.  You all can and will hit certain things I'm highly unlikely to at random.
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Re: NVDA Satisfaction Survey 2021

Quentin Christensen
 

Dear Zahra,

Of course :)  Please feel free to participate, and there is no need to login or anything to participate either.

Thank you as always for your support!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 6:44 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
quentin.
i participated in your surveys several times and wish to join again.
can all people participate even with the unsupported version of nvda?

On 5/24/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> NV Access are pleased to invite you to participate in the NVDA Satisfaction
> Survey 2021. As in previous years, this is a simple, three-question survey,
> open to NVDA users and testers around the world:
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1_6qHLmpFPvt4TwWUgVcuzHNxPI45BAdjGjvAD0GFVx8/edit?ts=60a394d2
>
> Please do participate, and share with our thanks!
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
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Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Gene
 

Before you use the right click command, are you routing the mouse?  If you don’t, who knows what you are clicking on.  Also, you very likely don’t have to use the simulated mouse.  Try shift f10. 
 
Gene
 

Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 10:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] Running Commands with Admin Privilege
 
I really hate to hitup the list for this because I should know it
after 2 years of windows10 but I am still a bit baffled.

This is a case of not getting predictible results rather
than a case of not getting it to work at all but I read an
article on line about 8 ways to run commands as admin and it may
be a bit out of date or something because the description of what
one should read and what I actually find don't quite match.

I have tried, for example, pressing the Windows key then the
lower-case c or sometimes co and the search box fills out to
"command prompt".  Rather than hitting Enter, I type
Control+Shift+Enter which is supposed to start as administrator.
I do get the warning posed as a question as to whether I want
this program to make changes to my computer.  I type Alt-Y and
instead of getting the command prompt, I get another search box
with the c or co letters I already typed.  I can add a few more
and the box fills out as before to command prompt.  Were I to hit
Control+Shift+Enter, I'll get another warning and question and
yet another search box.  I have also got a window open now with
my previous attempt still there.

Sometimes, as I am clearing the mess away, one of the
windows will have a command prompt that is admin, all right and I
can use it but this really isn't right.

The article also described using the context menu which
is usually the NumPad Multiply key and one of the choices there
is supposed to be "run as administrator."

I remember one time actually seeing this screen and it
worked but it seems like you have to hold your mouth just right
and think saintly thoughts because the other times, one sees
stuff from the control panel and so help me, I haven't figured
out what events decide whether one gets the beautiful lady or the
hungry lion.

Fortunately, in this case, one choice lets you run a
command as administrator should you be lucky enough to get it and
the other choice which is always much more likely is you get the
control panel choices, none of which are what one wanted so
nothing happens.

I realize that a context menu is going to be different
depending on what environment one is in when selecting the
context menue but the article kind of lead me to think that you
just opened the search box and then opened the context menu and
obviously, there is something I did or didn't do because it's
usually the wrong context menu.

I've also seen an admin version of the command prompt
that looks normal when I am in my home directory but when I cd to
c:\windows 32 or other system directories, I see Administrator
printed and I can run admin commands, for better or worse.

So, what could I be doing that introduces this
unpredictability in to what should do the same thing every time?

I also do have a copy of the Talking Book Windows 10, the
Missing Manual and what I am describing is probably in there
somewhere.

Thanks for any good explanation or recommendation on a good
resource.

Martin
Re: NVDA Satisfaction Survey 2021

zahra
 

quentin.
i participated in your surveys several times and wish to join again.
can all people participate even with the unsupported version of nvda?

On 5/24/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
NV Access are pleased to invite you to participate in the NVDA Satisfaction
Survey 2021. As in previous years, this is a simple, three-question survey,
open to NVDA users and testers around the world:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1_6qHLmpFPvt4TwWUgVcuzHNxPI45BAdjGjvAD0GFVx8/edit?ts=60a394d2

Please do participate, and share with our thanks!

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Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>





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with all they contain
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I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: NVDA 2021.1 and Joseph Lee's add-ons: release in progress

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
 

Don’t worry,

At least if I am editing a file now I know where i am when pressing left or right bracket whichjaws 2019 even with scripts doesn’t do.

Good luck in the future.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 25 May 2021 08:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 and Joseph Lee's add-ons: release in progress

 

Hi,

I think that’s a bit beyond the scope of GoldWave add-on as it may involve changing how NVDA responds to press of End key and other keyboard keys. I think perhaps GoldWave add-on might be a good starting point for this – I hope whoever would maintain this add-on could consider this suggestion.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of dennis huckle
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 and Joseph Lee's add-ons: release in progress

 

Hello,

As a new user to nvda Can I now put in a plee.

I use goldwave a lot.

I have just downloaded version 655.

It really works well with nvda.

However one thing, If I want to edit a file and want to get to the end, that’s fine as I press chorded dots 4 6 on my braille display.That works fine. However is there a way of getting nvda to say “end of file” as jaws does?.

Not really important but so useful.

Thanks a lot.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 24 May 2021 23:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 and Joseph Lee's add-ons: release in progress

 

Hi all,

I’m releasing add-ons compatible with NVDA 2021.1 – it may take a while before they show up on community add-ons website and Add-on Updater (see a special note on Add-on Updater 21.05.1 on how that ad-on is working with NVDA 2021.1). Most add-on releases will also include localization updates.

 

Besides Add-on Updater, the following add-ons are being updated:

  • Control Usage Assistant
  • Enhanced Touch Gestures
  • GoldWave
  • Resource Monitor
  • StationPlaylist
  • Windows 10 App Essentials

 

IMPORTANT NOTES:

  • I’m ending maintenance of most add-ons by September 2021, by which time I’ll be focusing on graduate school. If you are browsing add-on source code repositories, you’ll see a notice from me regarding this.
  • Add-on Updater: as I noted in a previous message, you MUST apply 21.05.1 manually until further notice.
  • GoldWave: version 21.06 will be the final version to be maintained by me, and I’m looking for people who will maintain this add-on from August 2021.
  • Control Usage Assistant, Enhanced Touch Gestures, StationPlaylist: version 21.06 will be the penultimate (second to last) version from me, with the final release scheduled for summer 2021 (southern winter). Control Usage Assistan and Enhanced Touch Gestures contain localization updates, and StationPlaylist includes last minute compatibility changes.
  • StationPlaylist: version 20.09.x (LTS20) maintenance is over and 20.09.x is not compatible with NVDA 2021.1.
  • Resource Monitor: I expect to release t least two more releases after 21.06, one scheduled shortly after the next Windows Server release is finalized later this year.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: version 21.06 is the last release to support Windows 10 Version 2004 (May 2020 Updatebuild 19041), with a ersion scheduled for August requiring Version 20H2 or later. If you are using development snapshots of this add-on, you’ll notice that it will work with NVDA 2021.1, and I’m refactoring modern keyboard support.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: NVDA 2021.1 and Joseph Lee's add-ons: release in progress

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

I think that’s a bit beyond the scope of GoldWave add-on as it may involve changing how NVDA responds to press of End key and other keyboard keys. I think perhaps GoldWave add-on might be a good starting point for this – I hope whoever would maintain this add-on could consider this suggestion.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of dennis huckle
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 and Joseph Lee's add-ons: release in progress

 

Hello,

As a new user to nvda Can I now put in a plee.

I use goldwave a lot.

I have just downloaded version 655.

It really works well with nvda.

However one thing, If I want to edit a file and want to get to the end, that’s fine as I press chorded dots 4 6 on my braille display.That works fine. However is there a way of getting nvda to say “end of file” as jaws does?.

Not really important but so useful.

Thanks a lot.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 24 May 2021 23:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 and Joseph Lee's add-ons: release in progress

 

Hi all,

I’m releasing add-ons compatible with NVDA 2021.1 – it may take a while before they show up on community add-ons website and Add-on Updater (see a special note on Add-on Updater 21.05.1 on how that ad-on is working with NVDA 2021.1). Most add-on releases will also include localization updates.

 

Besides Add-on Updater, the following add-ons are being updated:

  • Control Usage Assistant
  • Enhanced Touch Gestures
  • GoldWave
  • Resource Monitor
  • StationPlaylist
  • Windows 10 App Essentials

 

IMPORTANT NOTES:

  • I’m ending maintenance of most add-ons by September 2021, by which time I’ll be focusing on graduate school. If you are browsing add-on source code repositories, you’ll see a notice from me regarding this.
  • Add-on Updater: as I noted in a previous message, you MUST apply 21.05.1 manually until further notice.
  • GoldWave: version 21.06 will be the final version to be maintained by me, and I’m looking for people who will maintain this add-on from August 2021.
  • Control Usage Assistant, Enhanced Touch Gestures, StationPlaylist: version 21.06 will be the penultimate (second to last) version from me, with the final release scheduled for summer 2021 (southern winter). Control Usage Assistan and Enhanced Touch Gestures contain localization updates, and StationPlaylist includes last minute compatibility changes.
  • StationPlaylist: version 20.09.x (LTS20) maintenance is over and 20.09.x is not compatible with NVDA 2021.1.
  • Resource Monitor: I expect to release t least two more releases after 21.06, one scheduled shortly after the next Windows Server release is finalized later this year.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: version 21.06 is the last release to support Windows 10 Version 2004 (May 2020 Updatebuild 19041), with a ersion scheduled for August requiring Version 20H2 or later. If you are using development snapshots of this add-on, you’ll notice that it will work with NVDA 2021.1, and I’m refactoring modern keyboard support.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: NVDA 2021.1 and Joseph Lee's add-ons: release in progress

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
 

Hello,

As a new user to nvda Can I now put in a plee.

I use goldwave a lot.

I have just downloaded version 655.

It really works well with nvda.

However one thing, If I want to edit a file and want to get to the end, that’s fine as I press chorded dots 4 6 on my braille display.That works fine. However is there a way of getting nvda to say “end of file” as jaws does?.

Not really important but so useful.

Thanks a lot.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 24 May 2021 23:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 and Joseph Lee's add-ons: release in progress

 

Hi all,

I’m releasing add-ons compatible with NVDA 2021.1 – it may take a while before they show up on community add-ons website and Add-on Updater (see a special note on Add-on Updater 21.05.1 on how that ad-on is working with NVDA 2021.1). Most add-on releases will also include localization updates.

 

Besides Add-on Updater, the following add-ons are being updated:

  • Control Usage Assistant
  • Enhanced Touch Gestures
  • GoldWave
  • Resource Monitor
  • StationPlaylist
  • Windows 10 App Essentials

 

IMPORTANT NOTES:

  • I’m ending maintenance of most add-ons by September 2021, by which time I’ll be focusing on graduate school. If you are browsing add-on source code repositories, you’ll see a notice from me regarding this.
  • Add-on Updater: as I noted in a previous message, you MUST apply 21.05.1 manually until further notice.
  • GoldWave: version 21.06 will be the final version to be maintained by me, and I’m looking for people who will maintain this add-on from August 2021.
  • Control Usage Assistant, Enhanced Touch Gestures, StationPlaylist: version 21.06 will be the penultimate (second to last) version from me, with the final release scheduled for summer 2021 (southern winter). Control Usage Assistan and Enhanced Touch Gestures contain localization updates, and StationPlaylist includes last minute compatibility changes.
  • StationPlaylist: version 20.09.x (LTS20) maintenance is over and 20.09.x is not compatible with NVDA 2021.1.
  • Resource Monitor: I expect to release t least two more releases after 21.06, one scheduled shortly after the next Windows Server release is finalized later this year.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: version 21.06 is the last release to support Windows 10 Version 2004 (May 2020 Updatebuild 19041), with a ersion scheduled for August requiring Version 20H2 or later. If you are using development snapshots of this add-on, you’ll notice that it will work with NVDA 2021.1, and I’m refactoring modern keyboard support.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Jackie
 

Martin, I find a *very* reliable, as in thus far foolproof, way to get
to command prompt is by bringing up the run dialog (windows key + r)
then typing cmd & pressing ctrl+shift+enter. This eliminates Kertonna
unpredictabilities, or whatever MS calls its alleged assistant NOW.

On 5/24/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
And to add what Joseph has said, once you find your "preferred road to Rome"
then stick with it.

Microsoft has always had the annoying, or blessed, depending on your
perspective, habit of giving you way multiple ways to achieve precisely the
same ends.
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clearest indicator of who you are.

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Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 1 is now available

Quentin Christensen
 

Someone did report that MalwareBytes was flagging the Colibri voices from Acapela - I assumed it would give a message, but maybe it's not reading it?  It also shouldn't be anything specific with the beta even if it is that.


On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:25 PM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:

Hi.


Well, memory usage is about 9% and CPU idles at 0% so I'm not thinking there is anything significant going on. The fans are nice and quiet too.


I am running Malware Bytes Premium, but if that is interfering with NVDA, that would be a first here. I've never had that problem. Anyway, I'll try disabling Malware Bites and running the installer again.



On 2021-05-24 10:43 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Could there be something else hogging resources on your PC Chris?  Between web pages not displaying and the launcher not working - have you checked what else is running?

Also, are you running any anti-virus software?  It's often worth disabling that before installing new software.

Quentin.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:37 AM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:

yep, that page opens here now too.


Strangely though, when I hit Enter on the installer, my computer fan speeds up for a couple of seconds as if it's doing something, and then the installer disappears. Nothing else happens. LOL

This is using Windows 10 Pro, version 10.0.19042, on an Intel i& 9700K with 8 cores at 3.6 gHz, 32 GB of ram


I think I'll just wait for beta 2.


Chris


On 2021-05-24 11:50 a.m., P. Otter wrote:
hello, for me it's no problem, i can get the page as usual.
paul otter


Op 24-5-2021 om 15:56 schreef Chris Smart:

Is anyone else having trouble accessing

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2021.1beta1/nvda_2021.1beta1_changes.html


Nothing displays when I go to that link.



On 2021-05-24 5:34 a.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Beta 1 of NVDA 2021.1 is now available for download and testing. There are many (four paragraphs of) fixes, updates & information (including a note about add-ons) on the release announcement where you can also download the beta: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta1/

Please do feel encouraged to test it and let us know any issues you find.

Kind regards

Quentin.
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Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 1 is now available

Chris Smart
 

Hi.


Well, memory usage is about 9% and CPU idles at 0% so I'm not thinking there is anything significant going on. The fans are nice and quiet too.


I am running Malware Bytes Premium, but if that is interfering with NVDA, that would be a first here. I've never had that problem. Anyway, I'll try disabling Malware Bites and running the installer again.



On 2021-05-24 10:43 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Could there be something else hogging resources on your PC Chris?  Between web pages not displaying and the launcher not working - have you checked what else is running?

Also, are you running any anti-virus software?  It's often worth disabling that before installing new software.

Quentin.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:37 AM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:

yep, that page opens here now too.


Strangely though, when I hit Enter on the installer, my computer fan speeds up for a couple of seconds as if it's doing something, and then the installer disappears. Nothing else happens. LOL

This is using Windows 10 Pro, version 10.0.19042, on an Intel i& 9700K with 8 cores at 3.6 gHz, 32 GB of ram


I think I'll just wait for beta 2.


Chris


On 2021-05-24 11:50 a.m., P. Otter wrote:
hello, for me it's no problem, i can get the page as usual.
paul otter


Op 24-5-2021 om 15:56 schreef Chris Smart:

Is anyone else having trouble accessing

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2021.1beta1/nvda_2021.1beta1_changes.html


Nothing displays when I go to that link.



On 2021-05-24 5:34 a.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Beta 1 of NVDA 2021.1 is now available for download and testing. There are many (four paragraphs of) fixes, updates & information (including a note about add-ons) on the release announcement where you can also download the beta: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta1/

Please do feel encouraged to test it and let us know any issues you find.

Kind regards

Quentin.
--
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Training and Support Manager




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Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Brian Vogel
 

And to add what Joseph has said, once you find your "preferred road to Rome" then stick with it.

Microsoft has always had the annoying, or blessed, depending on your perspective, habit of giving you way multiple ways to achieve precisely the same ends.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 
Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
Can you tell us the publication date of this specific article? We (and
especially, I) need this info because Windows 10 keeps changing, and what
may have worked a year ago won't work quite the same. Also, the fastest way
to open Command Prompt or PowerShell in admin mode is pressing Windows+X
followed by A, then saying Yes to UAC prompt
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Martin
McCormick
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 8:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Running Commands with Admin Privilege

I really hate to hitup the list for this because I should know it after 2
years of windows10 but I am still a bit baffled.

This is a case of not getting predictible results rather than a case
of not getting it to work at all but I read an article on line about 8 ways
to run commands as admin and it may be a bit out of date or something
because the description of what one should read and what I actually find
don't quite match.

I have tried, for example, pressing the Windows key then the
lower-case c or sometimes co and the search box fills out to "command
prompt". Rather than hitting Enter, I type
Control+Shift+Enter which is supposed to start as administrator.
I do get the warning posed as a question as to whether I want this program
to make changes to my computer. I type Alt-Y and instead of getting the
command prompt, I get another search box with the c or co letters I already
typed. I can add a few more and the box fills out as before to command
prompt. Were I to hit
Control+Shift+Enter, I'll get another warning and question and
yet another search box. I have also got a window open now with my previous
attempt still there.

Sometimes, as I am clearing the mess away, one of the windows will
have a command prompt that is admin, all right and I can use it but this
really isn't right.

The article also described using the context menu which is usually
the NumPad Multiply key and one of the choices there is supposed to be "run
as administrator."

I remember one time actually seeing this screen and it worked but it
seems like you have to hold your mouth just right and think saintly thoughts
because the other times, one sees stuff from the control panel and so help
me, I haven't figured out what events decide whether one gets the beautiful
lady or the hungry lion.

Fortunately, in this case, one choice lets you run a command as
administrator should you be lucky enough to get it and the other choice
which is always much more likely is you get the control panel choices, none
of which are what one wanted so nothing happens.

I realize that a context menu is going to be different depending on
what environment one is in when selecting the context menue but the article
kind of lead me to think that you just opened the search box and then opened
the context menu and obviously, there is something I did or didn't do
because it's usually the wrong context menu.

I've also seen an admin version of the command prompt that looks
normal when I am in my home directory but when I cd to c:\windows 32 or
other system directories, I see Administrator printed and I can run admin
commands, for better or worse.

So, what could I be doing that introduces this unpredictability in
to what should do the same thing every time?

I also do have a copy of the Talking Book Windows 10, the Missing
Manual and what I am describing is probably in there somewhere.

Thanks for any good explanation or recommendation on a good resource.

Martin
Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Martin McCormick
 

I really hate to hitup the list for this because I should know it
after 2 years of windows10 but I am still a bit baffled.

This is a case of not getting predictible results rather
than a case of not getting it to work at all but I read an
article on line about 8 ways to run commands as admin and it may
be a bit out of date or something because the description of what
one should read and what I actually find don't quite match.

I have tried, for example, pressing the Windows key then the
lower-case c or sometimes co and the search box fills out to
"command prompt". Rather than hitting Enter, I type
Control+Shift+Enter which is supposed to start as administrator.
I do get the warning posed as a question as to whether I want
this program to make changes to my computer. I type Alt-Y and
instead of getting the command prompt, I get another search box
with the c or co letters I already typed. I can add a few more
and the box fills out as before to command prompt. Were I to hit
Control+Shift+Enter, I'll get another warning and question and
yet another search box. I have also got a window open now with
my previous attempt still there.

Sometimes, as I am clearing the mess away, one of the
windows will have a command prompt that is admin, all right and I
can use it but this really isn't right.

The article also described using the context menu which
is usually the NumPad Multiply key and one of the choices there
is supposed to be "run as administrator."

I remember one time actually seeing this screen and it
worked but it seems like you have to hold your mouth just right
and think saintly thoughts because the other times, one sees
stuff from the control panel and so help me, I haven't figured
out what events decide whether one gets the beautiful lady or the
hungry lion.

Fortunately, in this case, one choice lets you run a
command as administrator should you be lucky enough to get it and
the other choice which is always much more likely is you get the
control panel choices, none of which are what one wanted so
nothing happens.

I realize that a context menu is going to be different
depending on what environment one is in when selecting the
context menue but the article kind of lead me to think that you
just opened the search box and then opened the context menu and
obviously, there is something I did or didn't do because it's
usually the wrong context menu.

I've also seen an admin version of the command prompt
that looks normal when I am in my home directory but when I cd to
c:\windows 32 or other system directories, I see Administrator
printed and I can run admin commands, for better or worse.

So, what could I be doing that introduces this
unpredictability in to what should do the same thing every time?

I also do have a copy of the Talking Book Windows 10, the
Missing Manual and what I am describing is probably in there
somewhere.

Thanks for any good explanation or recommendation on a good
resource.

Martin
Re: Is Oracle Data Management screen-reader accessible?

Quentin Christensen
 

Ah, Oracle not Orcel - this is why it is important to check the spelling (and ideally provide a link to the company / software) when asking.  I had no idea what you were talking about before, I assumed it was some piece of software I'd simply never heard of.


That document only mentions Jaws, which at least is a good start.  If Jaws have done specific internal work to be compatible with Oracle, then it may or may not work with NVDA.  If it just works out of the box with Jaws, then it likely works out of the box with NVDA too.  I would like to contact them to have them update it... but as with so many large companies, it looks next to impossible to actually reach out to them.  I tweeted to them :)

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 7:18 AM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Thanks, I never heard of this piece of softwhere.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: May 24, 2021 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is Oracle Data Management screen-reader accessible?

 

Arlene,

I've updated the topic.  Don't bury the lede, as they say!

I don't know whether this specific piece of software is accessible with NVDA, JAWS, or Narrator.  Someone else almost certainly will.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

 



--
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Training and Support Manager
Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 1 is now available

Quentin Christensen
 

Could there be something else hogging resources on your PC Chris?  Between web pages not displaying and the launcher not working - have you checked what else is running?

Also, are you running any anti-virus software?  It's often worth disabling that before installing new software.

Quentin.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:37 AM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:

yep, that page opens here now too.


Strangely though, when I hit Enter on the installer, my computer fan speeds up for a couple of seconds as if it's doing something, and then the installer disappears. Nothing else happens. LOL

This is using Windows 10 Pro, version 10.0.19042, on an Intel i& 9700K with 8 cores at 3.6 gHz, 32 GB of ram


I think I'll just wait for beta 2.


Chris


On 2021-05-24 11:50 a.m., P. Otter wrote:
hello, for me it's no problem, i can get the page as usual.
paul otter


Op 24-5-2021 om 15:56 schreef Chris Smart:

Is anyone else having trouble accessing

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2021.1beta1/nvda_2021.1beta1_changes.html


Nothing displays when I go to that link.



On 2021-05-24 5:34 a.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Beta 1 of NVDA 2021.1 is now available for download and testing. There are many (four paragraphs of) fixes, updates & information (including a note about add-ons) on the release announcement where you can also download the beta: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta1/

Please do feel encouraged to test it and let us know any issues you find.

Kind regards

Quentin.
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: Keyboard not acting normal

JM Casey
 

I have certainly do it,a nd regularly have a drink by the keyboard

But I have also have accidents – shorted out at least two keyboards. And eventually one way or another they will get gunk in them that will affect their function. Keys not working or appearing to “stick” are the symptoms you will usuallye xperience – sometimes multiple keys at once.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: May 24, 2021 09:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Keyboard not acting normal

 

I think that there are certain things that, no matter how careful you are, even a very small chance of something going wrong isn’t worth the pleasure. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 5:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Keyboard not acting normal

 

Hi jacky.

Yeah, I agree, drinking and eating near the board, I never do it.

You can knock things over so easily.

Sightlings do it to.

I still don't know how some of my family can read the screen of their
tablet, work on their computer, drink coffee and eat musly all while
talking on the phone to someone down the other end of the house I
certainly can't see my self doing it.

I have tried to do it and made a mess of myself so no.

I have to many things about on my system to actually think about eating
near it.

Now eating near your smart device with it a certain distance away maybe
but the board, yeah its a problem.

While flatting in fact thhe system had a lot of issues, people used cd
drives as cup hholders, there was food inside of the computer and so I
can't be that bad.


However for a while my brother ate dinner and all meals ner the computer
and I never had the issue of him spilling food though he left his
rubbish for weeks on end but yeah, I'd never do it.

Just today I was resetting the entire network and I have probably
knocked something off the desk, maybe its a phone but I can't find it,
its not a big issue someone else can bother with it later but even so.



On 25/05/2021 6:24 am, Jackie wrote:
> When I did adaptive technology in a previous life, I always said
> blindies & keyboards don't mix well. Truthfully, sighted folks &
> keyboards don't mix well either.
>
> On 5/24/21, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thank you so much for the leads.
>> Obviously is  the keyboard, because when I attached another one to my
>> HP laptop all is fine.
>> Yesterday I had a teacup next to my laptop with very little liquid at
>> the bottom and having forgotten it was there I knocked it and the
>> liquid went to the bottom of my laptop. I dried both the bottom of the
>> laptop and the desk immediately  but obviously some got inside the
>> keyboard.
>> Many keys did not work properly at the beginning, but later they began
>> acting right. Now only the arrows do not work right, but I imagine
>> after a while they'll start working, too when all is dry.
>>
>>
>> On 5/24/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>>> What keyboard is it.
>>>
>>> Could be drivers, could be windows could be anything.
>>>
>>> Firstly clean the board.
>>>
>>> I know some boards can get a bit sticky at times.
>>>
>>> I ended up using a vacuum with a small attachment and doing a gentle
>>> suck over the board.
>>>
>>> I also turned it up side down and gave it a really good shake over a
>>> desktop and vacuumming that and the issues I have had are a lot less.
>>>
>>> As I have a skin condition where skin tends to shed a lot my board does
>>> need regular clearing of extras.
>>>
>>> The next thing I'd check if wired is the condition of the wire, I have
>>> had broken wires before.
>>>
>>> Also I'd check the condition of the board, while mechanicals may not
>>> have a high failure rate membranes could simply be warn out.
>>>
>>> If this is wireless, then if it doesn't work, swapping out the power
>>> cells wouldn't go a miss.
>>>
>>> Next depending what it is, doing a factory reset on it followed by a
>>> firmware refresh wouldn't go a miss at all if you have that capability.
>>>
>>> On the computer side, I'd then check and update the latest drivers from
>>> the manufacturer site.
>>>
>>> Both for the keyboard and if its on usb the usb controlers though that
>>> may need latest latest chhipset drivers though devices will generally
>>> work without those.
>>>
>>> I can't speak for logitech but setpoint and logitech options have not
>>> had updates in a while now.
>>>
>>> For microsoft their mouse keyboard centre doesn't update much but there
>>> are updates from time to time.
>>>
>>> Windows update may have a generic update in optionals or simply there is
>>> a third party update for it.
>>>
>>> Usually generic boards don't need software, firmware or drivers though.
>>>
>>> Next, I'd run any bios and hardware firmware updates on your system in
>>> case its an input issue, note you may allready have the latest updates
>>> generally.
>>>
>>> Next, I'd go through the standard sfc and dism checks followed by an
>>> entire reformat though if you need to do the last 3 steps then its
>>> probably worse than that.
>>>
>>> Run a virus scan to but again you would have more issues than a board.
>>>
>>> Most likely its the keyboard.
>>>
>>> Start from the top and move down and down and down the list till the
>>> reformat part.
>>>
>>> As a test, try a different board and try that board on anothr system.
>>>
>>> If it fails then skip to the end of this list and replace the board.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/05/2021 4:05 am, Nevzat Adil wrote:
>>>> Hi Group,
>>>>
>>>> My keyboard has not been acting normal since yesterday.
>>>> I cannot use the arrow keys. Only the left arrow key moves.
>>>> At first the NVDA key did not work but later misteriously started to
>>>> work. I rebooted a few times hoping itcorrect itself I am having a
>>>> hard time writing this message.
>>>> Any ideas why this is happening and how to correct this?
>>>> .
>>>>    will corect
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Nevzat Adil
>> Library of Congress Certified
>> Literary Braille Proofreader
>> C: 512 502 4403
>> e-mail: nevzatadil@...
>> Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: MalwareBytes Premium Reporting Possible False Positive With a File in the Acapela Colibri Voice Bundle

Brian Vogel
 

David,

All these engines use definitions along with heuristics that can and do change with time.  It's very likely that what VirusTotal had from Malwarebytes was a set that was slightly (even ever so slightly) older and different from what the software itself, as installed on your computer, had.

Something worth reading in this arena is something written by security expert Quietman7, who remains very active on BleepingComputer:  Reflections on Antivirus/Antimalware Testing & Comparisons
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 
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