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Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 1 is now available

Chris Smart
 

Hi.


Well, memory usage is about 9% and CPU idles at 0% so I'm not thinking there is anything significant going on. The fans are nice and quiet too.


I am running Malware Bytes Premium, but if that is interfering with NVDA, that would be a first here. I've never had that problem. Anyway, I'll try disabling Malware Bites and running the installer again.



On 2021-05-24 10:43 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Could there be something else hogging resources on your PC Chris?  Between web pages not displaying and the launcher not working - have you checked what else is running?

Also, are you running any anti-virus software?  It's often worth disabling that before installing new software.

Quentin.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:37 AM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:

yep, that page opens here now too.


Strangely though, when I hit Enter on the installer, my computer fan speeds up for a couple of seconds as if it's doing something, and then the installer disappears. Nothing else happens. LOL

This is using Windows 10 Pro, version 10.0.19042, on an Intel i& 9700K with 8 cores at 3.6 gHz, 32 GB of ram


I think I'll just wait for beta 2.


Chris


On 2021-05-24 11:50 a.m., P. Otter wrote:
hello, for me it's no problem, i can get the page as usual.
paul otter


Op 24-5-2021 om 15:56 schreef Chris Smart:

Is anyone else having trouble accessing

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2021.1beta1/nvda_2021.1beta1_changes.html


Nothing displays when I go to that link.



On 2021-05-24 5:34 a.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Beta 1 of NVDA 2021.1 is now available for download and testing. There are many (four paragraphs of) fixes, updates & information (including a note about add-ons) on the release announcement where you can also download the beta: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta1/

Please do feel encouraged to test it and let us know any issues you find.

Kind regards

Quentin.
--
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Training and Support Manager




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Training and Support Manager


Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

 

And to add what Joseph has said, once you find your "preferred road to Rome" then stick with it.

Microsoft has always had the annoying, or blessed, depending on your perspective, habit of giving you way multiple ways to achieve precisely the same ends.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

 

Hi,
Can you tell us the publication date of this specific article? We (and
especially, I) need this info because Windows 10 keeps changing, and what
may have worked a year ago won't work quite the same. Also, the fastest way
to open Command Prompt or PowerShell in admin mode is pressing Windows+X
followed by A, then saying Yes to UAC prompt
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Martin
McCormick
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 8:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Running Commands with Admin Privilege

I really hate to hitup the list for this because I should know it after 2
years of windows10 but I am still a bit baffled.

This is a case of not getting predictible results rather than a case
of not getting it to work at all but I read an article on line about 8 ways
to run commands as admin and it may be a bit out of date or something
because the description of what one should read and what I actually find
don't quite match.

I have tried, for example, pressing the Windows key then the
lower-case c or sometimes co and the search box fills out to "command
prompt". Rather than hitting Enter, I type
Control+Shift+Enter which is supposed to start as administrator.
I do get the warning posed as a question as to whether I want this program
to make changes to my computer. I type Alt-Y and instead of getting the
command prompt, I get another search box with the c or co letters I already
typed. I can add a few more and the box fills out as before to command
prompt. Were I to hit
Control+Shift+Enter, I'll get another warning and question and
yet another search box. I have also got a window open now with my previous
attempt still there.

Sometimes, as I am clearing the mess away, one of the windows will
have a command prompt that is admin, all right and I can use it but this
really isn't right.

The article also described using the context menu which is usually
the NumPad Multiply key and one of the choices there is supposed to be "run
as administrator."

I remember one time actually seeing this screen and it worked but it
seems like you have to hold your mouth just right and think saintly thoughts
because the other times, one sees stuff from the control panel and so help
me, I haven't figured out what events decide whether one gets the beautiful
lady or the hungry lion.

Fortunately, in this case, one choice lets you run a command as
administrator should you be lucky enough to get it and the other choice
which is always much more likely is you get the control panel choices, none
of which are what one wanted so nothing happens.

I realize that a context menu is going to be different depending on
what environment one is in when selecting the context menue but the article
kind of lead me to think that you just opened the search box and then opened
the context menu and obviously, there is something I did or didn't do
because it's usually the wrong context menu.

I've also seen an admin version of the command prompt that looks
normal when I am in my home directory but when I cd to c:\windows 32 or
other system directories, I see Administrator printed and I can run admin
commands, for better or worse.

So, what could I be doing that introduces this unpredictability in
to what should do the same thing every time?

I also do have a copy of the Talking Book Windows 10, the Missing
Manual and what I am describing is probably in there somewhere.

Thanks for any good explanation or recommendation on a good resource.

Martin


Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Martin McCormick
 

I really hate to hitup the list for this because I should know it
after 2 years of windows10 but I am still a bit baffled.

This is a case of not getting predictible results rather
than a case of not getting it to work at all but I read an
article on line about 8 ways to run commands as admin and it may
be a bit out of date or something because the description of what
one should read and what I actually find don't quite match.

I have tried, for example, pressing the Windows key then the
lower-case c or sometimes co and the search box fills out to
"command prompt". Rather than hitting Enter, I type
Control+Shift+Enter which is supposed to start as administrator.
I do get the warning posed as a question as to whether I want
this program to make changes to my computer. I type Alt-Y and
instead of getting the command prompt, I get another search box
with the c or co letters I already typed. I can add a few more
and the box fills out as before to command prompt. Were I to hit
Control+Shift+Enter, I'll get another warning and question and
yet another search box. I have also got a window open now with
my previous attempt still there.

Sometimes, as I am clearing the mess away, one of the
windows will have a command prompt that is admin, all right and I
can use it but this really isn't right.

The article also described using the context menu which
is usually the NumPad Multiply key and one of the choices there
is supposed to be "run as administrator."

I remember one time actually seeing this screen and it
worked but it seems like you have to hold your mouth just right
and think saintly thoughts because the other times, one sees
stuff from the control panel and so help me, I haven't figured
out what events decide whether one gets the beautiful lady or the
hungry lion.

Fortunately, in this case, one choice lets you run a
command as administrator should you be lucky enough to get it and
the other choice which is always much more likely is you get the
control panel choices, none of which are what one wanted so
nothing happens.

I realize that a context menu is going to be different
depending on what environment one is in when selecting the
context menue but the article kind of lead me to think that you
just opened the search box and then opened the context menu and
obviously, there is something I did or didn't do because it's
usually the wrong context menu.

I've also seen an admin version of the command prompt
that looks normal when I am in my home directory but when I cd to
c:\windows 32 or other system directories, I see Administrator
printed and I can run admin commands, for better or worse.

So, what could I be doing that introduces this
unpredictability in to what should do the same thing every time?

I also do have a copy of the Talking Book Windows 10, the
Missing Manual and what I am describing is probably in there
somewhere.

Thanks for any good explanation or recommendation on a good
resource.

Martin


Re: Is Oracle Data Management screen-reader accessible?

Quentin Christensen
 

Ah, Oracle not Orcel - this is why it is important to check the spelling (and ideally provide a link to the company / software) when asking.  I had no idea what you were talking about before, I assumed it was some piece of software I'd simply never heard of.


That document only mentions Jaws, which at least is a good start.  If Jaws have done specific internal work to be compatible with Oracle, then it may or may not work with NVDA.  If it just works out of the box with Jaws, then it likely works out of the box with NVDA too.  I would like to contact them to have them update it... but as with so many large companies, it looks next to impossible to actually reach out to them.  I tweeted to them :)

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 7:18 AM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Thanks, I never heard of this piece of softwhere.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: May 24, 2021 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is Oracle Data Management screen-reader accessible?

 

Arlene,

I've updated the topic.  Don't bury the lede, as they say!

I don't know whether this specific piece of software is accessible with NVDA, JAWS, or Narrator.  Someone else almost certainly will.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

 



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Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 1 is now available

Quentin Christensen
 

Could there be something else hogging resources on your PC Chris?  Between web pages not displaying and the launcher not working - have you checked what else is running?

Also, are you running any anti-virus software?  It's often worth disabling that before installing new software.

Quentin.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:37 AM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:

yep, that page opens here now too.


Strangely though, when I hit Enter on the installer, my computer fan speeds up for a couple of seconds as if it's doing something, and then the installer disappears. Nothing else happens. LOL

This is using Windows 10 Pro, version 10.0.19042, on an Intel i& 9700K with 8 cores at 3.6 gHz, 32 GB of ram


I think I'll just wait for beta 2.


Chris


On 2021-05-24 11:50 a.m., P. Otter wrote:
hello, for me it's no problem, i can get the page as usual.
paul otter


Op 24-5-2021 om 15:56 schreef Chris Smart:

Is anyone else having trouble accessing

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2021.1beta1/nvda_2021.1beta1_changes.html


Nothing displays when I go to that link.



On 2021-05-24 5:34 a.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Beta 1 of NVDA 2021.1 is now available for download and testing. There are many (four paragraphs of) fixes, updates & information (including a note about add-ons) on the release announcement where you can also download the beta: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta1/

Please do feel encouraged to test it and let us know any issues you find.

Kind regards

Quentin.
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Keyboard not acting normal

JM Casey
 

I have certainly do it,a nd regularly have a drink by the keyboard

But I have also have accidents – shorted out at least two keyboards. And eventually one way or another they will get gunk in them that will affect their function. Keys not working or appearing to “stick” are the symptoms you will usuallye xperience – sometimes multiple keys at once.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: May 24, 2021 09:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Keyboard not acting normal

 

I think that there are certain things that, no matter how careful you are, even a very small chance of something going wrong isn’t worth the pleasure. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 5:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Keyboard not acting normal

 

Hi jacky.

Yeah, I agree, drinking and eating near the board, I never do it.

You can knock things over so easily.

Sightlings do it to.

I still don't know how some of my family can read the screen of their
tablet, work on their computer, drink coffee and eat musly all while
talking on the phone to someone down the other end of the house I
certainly can't see my self doing it.

I have tried to do it and made a mess of myself so no.

I have to many things about on my system to actually think about eating
near it.

Now eating near your smart device with it a certain distance away maybe
but the board, yeah its a problem.

While flatting in fact thhe system had a lot of issues, people used cd
drives as cup hholders, there was food inside of the computer and so I
can't be that bad.


However for a while my brother ate dinner and all meals ner the computer
and I never had the issue of him spilling food though he left his
rubbish for weeks on end but yeah, I'd never do it.

Just today I was resetting the entire network and I have probably
knocked something off the desk, maybe its a phone but I can't find it,
its not a big issue someone else can bother with it later but even so.



On 25/05/2021 6:24 am, Jackie wrote:
> When I did adaptive technology in a previous life, I always said
> blindies & keyboards don't mix well. Truthfully, sighted folks &
> keyboards don't mix well either.
>
> On 5/24/21, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thank you so much for the leads.
>> Obviously is  the keyboard, because when I attached another one to my
>> HP laptop all is fine.
>> Yesterday I had a teacup next to my laptop with very little liquid at
>> the bottom and having forgotten it was there I knocked it and the
>> liquid went to the bottom of my laptop. I dried both the bottom of the
>> laptop and the desk immediately  but obviously some got inside the
>> keyboard.
>> Many keys did not work properly at the beginning, but later they began
>> acting right. Now only the arrows do not work right, but I imagine
>> after a while they'll start working, too when all is dry.
>>
>>
>> On 5/24/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>>> What keyboard is it.
>>>
>>> Could be drivers, could be windows could be anything.
>>>
>>> Firstly clean the board.
>>>
>>> I know some boards can get a bit sticky at times.
>>>
>>> I ended up using a vacuum with a small attachment and doing a gentle
>>> suck over the board.
>>>
>>> I also turned it up side down and gave it a really good shake over a
>>> desktop and vacuumming that and the issues I have had are a lot less.
>>>
>>> As I have a skin condition where skin tends to shed a lot my board does
>>> need regular clearing of extras.
>>>
>>> The next thing I'd check if wired is the condition of the wire, I have
>>> had broken wires before.
>>>
>>> Also I'd check the condition of the board, while mechanicals may not
>>> have a high failure rate membranes could simply be warn out.
>>>
>>> If this is wireless, then if it doesn't work, swapping out the power
>>> cells wouldn't go a miss.
>>>
>>> Next depending what it is, doing a factory reset on it followed by a
>>> firmware refresh wouldn't go a miss at all if you have that capability.
>>>
>>> On the computer side, I'd then check and update the latest drivers from
>>> the manufacturer site.
>>>
>>> Both for the keyboard and if its on usb the usb controlers though that
>>> may need latest latest chhipset drivers though devices will generally
>>> work without those.
>>>
>>> I can't speak for logitech but setpoint and logitech options have not
>>> had updates in a while now.
>>>
>>> For microsoft their mouse keyboard centre doesn't update much but there
>>> are updates from time to time.
>>>
>>> Windows update may have a generic update in optionals or simply there is
>>> a third party update for it.
>>>
>>> Usually generic boards don't need software, firmware or drivers though.
>>>
>>> Next, I'd run any bios and hardware firmware updates on your system in
>>> case its an input issue, note you may allready have the latest updates
>>> generally.
>>>
>>> Next, I'd go through the standard sfc and dism checks followed by an
>>> entire reformat though if you need to do the last 3 steps then its
>>> probably worse than that.
>>>
>>> Run a virus scan to but again you would have more issues than a board.
>>>
>>> Most likely its the keyboard.
>>>
>>> Start from the top and move down and down and down the list till the
>>> reformat part.
>>>
>>> As a test, try a different board and try that board on anothr system.
>>>
>>> If it fails then skip to the end of this list and replace the board.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/05/2021 4:05 am, Nevzat Adil wrote:
>>>> Hi Group,
>>>>
>>>> My keyboard has not been acting normal since yesterday.
>>>> I cannot use the arrow keys. Only the left arrow key moves.
>>>> At first the NVDA key did not work but later misteriously started to
>>>> work. I rebooted a few times hoping itcorrect itself I am having a
>>>> hard time writing this message.
>>>> Any ideas why this is happening and how to correct this?
>>>> .
>>>>    will corect
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Nevzat Adil
>> Library of Congress Certified
>> Literary Braille Proofreader
>> C: 512 502 4403
>> e-mail: nevzatadil@...
>> Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>




Re: MalwareBytes Premium Reporting Possible False Positive With a File in the Acapela Colibri Voice Bundle

 

David,

All these engines use definitions along with heuristics that can and do change with time.  It's very likely that what VirusTotal had from Malwarebytes was a set that was slightly (even ever so slightly) older and different from what the software itself, as installed on your computer, had.

Something worth reading in this arena is something written by security expert Quietman7, who remains very active on BleepingComputer:  Reflections on Antivirus/Antimalware Testing & Comparisons
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 1 is now available

 

Hi,
The biggest change is restructured speech output management facility that also removed deprecated features. Another big change that affected add-on is upgrade to wxPython GUI toolkit we are using (any add-on with dialogs such as some speech synthesizer add-ons with configuration dialogs are affected).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda_2021.1beta

So the Code Factory Vocalizer voices don't work with the beta? What exactly is changing so much to cause so many addon's to not work?


NVDA 2021.1 Beta 1 is now available

Don H
 

So the Code Factory Vocalizer voices don't work with the beta? What exactly is changing so much to cause so many addon's to not work?


Re: MalwareBytes Premium Reporting Possible False Positive With a File in the Acapela Colibri Voice Bundle

David Goldfield
 

What was a bit odd about my latest Virustotal scan with this Acapela addon was that it reported that 2 out of 68 engines reported the file as being unsafe. However, Virustotal reported that MalwareBytes was one of the engines which did not flag this file as being unsafe even though my instance of MB was the one that quarantined the file. I’m not sure what to make of that but I felt reasonably safe with just two engines having an issue with what I submitted.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 9:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] MalwareBytes Premium Reporting Possible False Positive With a File in the Acapela Colibri Voice Bundle

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 08:47 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

You might want to try VirusTotal which uses a variety of malware detection engines to see if the file or URL has been flagged.

-
Absolutely agreed.

This has been a go-to tool for those of us "in the biz" for years.  Samples are submitted for scanning by about 80 different engines (the number can vary by a couple over time).  If you submit something that 76 engines call as clean and 4 as dirty, you can be pretty darned sure that those 4 are false positives.

Real positives tend to be the flip-flop of the above as far as detection as clean versus dirty.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Be prepared for some bumps in the NVDA road - Major Change is coming . . . #adminnotice

Quentin Christensen
 

Indeed - the add-ons community knew this update was coming, and we had asked them to wait to test against NVDA 2021.1 beta 1 BEFORE declaring their add-ons compatible with 2021.1 - just to ensure we had all the breaking changes in before asking them to work on updating anything.  So, we're at that point and we know many authors have already put in much of the work and many more will go ahead and do that now.  As with 2019.3, we anticipate that most add-ons will be updated before the stable build comes out, and most of the rest not long after.

I just had a look and there are 84 dot points just in the "Changes for developers" section of the what's new this time around - obviously not all of those will require any action from most developers, but it does give a bit of an insight into the magnitude of the work already done behind the scenes.

So, for those worried about your add-ons, please be patient, and we'd say run the beta as a portable or temporary copy for now.  Otherwise, with that in mind, do feel free to test out the beta and give us feedback on any other issues you encounter.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 1:48 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Since this Admin Notice was clearly missed by some, and now that the expected "add-on compatibility bumps" are happening, please read this again.  This is not a situation that warrants panic, it's just a major inconvenience for early users of NVDA 2021.1 beta that was entirely predictable and difficult to prevent.  It's an unusual shake-out period, but a shake-out period nonetheless and will not last all that long.
---------------------------------
Hello All,

That major change is at the level of the NVDA code itself, and while that is not something that should concern you directly, the possible side effects, particularly in reference to add-ons, is likely to.

The add-on application program interface (API) is to be updated to version 2021.1. This means add-ons not declaring support for NVDA 2021.1 in their manifests will be marked as incompatible. It doesn't matter if they're really incompatible or not, because this is the mechanism that is used to check compatibility, and invariably, due to a combination of factors, the add-on manifests sometimes don't get updated in perfect synchrony with the NVDA code.  Plenty of add-ons that are now and will be perfectly compatible will end up being flagged as incompatible, and that will stop once the necessary tweak is made to their manifests.

All of that detail shouldn't concern you, either, but I wanted folks to be aware of why this is likely to happen.  And it's most likely to occur when the beta versions of the next version of NVDA begin to show up.

If it occurs, please do not panic, it is most likely to get worked out once the incompatibility is flagged. If one of your favorite add-ons continues to be flagged as incompatible for a couple of days after you first see that, then do your add-on developer a favor and let them know.  Many will be fixed before even a couple of days passes, which is why I don't suggest that everyone flood the developer's inbox immediately.

The purpose of this message is to make clear that the sky is well and truly not falling, though the possibility of it seeming like it is exists. There is almost certain to be a bump or two, at a minimum.  Stay calm and carry on. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

 

      ~ Brian Vogel

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: MalwareBytes Premium Reporting Possible False Positive With a File in the Acapela Colibri Voice Bundle

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 08:47 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
You might want to try VirusTotal which uses a variety of malware detection engines to see if the file or URL has been flagged.
-
Absolutely agreed.

This has been a go-to tool for those of us "in the biz" for years.  Samples are submitted for scanning by about 80 different engines (the number can vary by a couple over time).  If you submit something that 76 engines call as clean and 4 as dirty, you can be pretty darned sure that those 4 are false positives.

Real positives tend to be the flip-flop of the above as far as detection as clean versus dirty.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Keyboard not acting normal

Gene
 

I think that there are certain things that, no matter how careful you are, even a very small chance of something going wrong isn’t worth the pleasure. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Keyboard not acting normal
 
Hi jacky.

Yeah, I agree, drinking and eating near the board, I never do it.

You can knock things over so easily.

Sightlings do it to.

I still don't know how some of my family can read the screen of their
tablet, work on their computer, drink coffee and eat musly all while
talking on the phone to someone down the other end of the house I
certainly can't see my self doing it.

I have tried to do it and made a mess of myself so no.

I have to many things about on my system to actually think about eating
near it.

Now eating near your smart device with it a certain distance away maybe
but the board, yeah its a problem.

While flatting in fact thhe system had a lot of issues, people used cd
drives as cup hholders, there was food inside of the computer and so I
can't be that bad.


However for a while my brother ate dinner and all meals ner the computer
and I never had the issue of him spilling food though he left his
rubbish for weeks on end but yeah, I'd never do it.

Just today I was resetting the entire network and I have probably
knocked something off the desk, maybe its a phone but I can't find it,
its not a big issue someone else can bother with it later but even so.



On 25/05/2021 6:24 am, Jackie wrote:
> When I did adaptive technology in a previous life, I always said
> blindies & keyboards don't mix well. Truthfully, sighted folks &
> keyboards don't mix well either.
>
> On 5/24/21, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thank you so much for the leads.
>> Obviously is  the keyboard, because when I attached another one to my
>> HP laptop all is fine.
>> Yesterday I had a teacup next to my laptop with very little liquid at
>> the bottom and having forgotten it was there I knocked it and the
>> liquid went to the bottom of my laptop. I dried both the bottom of the
>> laptop and the desk immediately  but obviously some got inside the
>> keyboard.
>> Many keys did not work properly at the beginning, but later they began
>> acting right. Now only the arrows do not work right, but I imagine
>> after a while they'll start working, too when all is dry.
>>
>>
>> On 5/24/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>>> What keyboard is it.
>>>
>>> Could be drivers, could be windows could be anything.
>>>
>>> Firstly clean the board.
>>>
>>> I know some boards can get a bit sticky at times.
>>>
>>> I ended up using a vacuum with a small attachment and doing a gentle
>>> suck over the board.
>>>
>>> I also turned it up side down and gave it a really good shake over a
>>> desktop and vacuumming that and the issues I have had are a lot less.
>>>
>>> As I have a skin condition where skin tends to shed a lot my board does
>>> need regular clearing of extras.
>>>
>>> The next thing I'd check if wired is the condition of the wire, I have
>>> had broken wires before.
>>>
>>> Also I'd check the condition of the board, while mechanicals may not
>>> have a high failure rate membranes could simply be warn out.
>>>
>>> If this is wireless, then if it doesn't work, swapping out the power
>>> cells wouldn't go a miss.
>>>
>>> Next depending what it is, doing a factory reset on it followed by a
>>> firmware refresh wouldn't go a miss at all if you have that capability.
>>>
>>> On the computer side, I'd then check and update the latest drivers from
>>> the manufacturer site.
>>>
>>> Both for the keyboard and if its on usb the usb controlers though that
>>> may need latest latest chhipset drivers though devices will generally
>>> work without those.
>>>
>>> I can't speak for logitech but setpoint and logitech options have not
>>> had updates in a while now.
>>>
>>> For microsoft their mouse keyboard centre doesn't update much but there
>>> are updates from time to time.
>>>
>>> Windows update may have a generic update in optionals or simply there is
>>> a third party update for it.
>>>
>>> Usually generic boards don't need software, firmware or drivers though.
>>>
>>> Next, I'd run any bios and hardware firmware updates on your system in
>>> case its an input issue, note you may allready have the latest updates
>>> generally.
>>>
>>> Next, I'd go through the standard sfc and dism checks followed by an
>>> entire reformat though if you need to do the last 3 steps then its
>>> probably worse than that.
>>>
>>> Run a virus scan to but again you would have more issues than a board.
>>>
>>> Most likely its the keyboard.
>>>
>>> Start from the top and move down and down and down the list till the
>>> reformat part.
>>>
>>> As a test, try a different board and try that board on anothr system.
>>>
>>> If it fails then skip to the end of this list and replace the board.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/05/2021 4:05 am, Nevzat Adil wrote:
>>>> Hi Group,
>>>>
>>>> My keyboard has not been acting normal since yesterday.
>>>> I cannot use the arrow keys. Only the left arrow key moves.
>>>> At first the NVDA key did not work but later misteriously started to
>>>> work. I rebooted a few times hoping itcorrect itself I am having a
>>>> hard time writing this message.
>>>> Any ideas why this is happening and how to correct this?
>>>> .
>>>>    will corect
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>> Literary Braille Proofreader
>> C: 512 502 4403
>> e-mail: nevzatadil@...
>> Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: MalwareBytes Premium Reporting Possible False Positive With a File in the Acapela Colibri Voice Bundle

David Goldfield
 

Shaun, You might want to try VirusTotal which uses a variety of malware detection engines to see if the file or URL has been flagged.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 4:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] MalwareBytes Premium Reporting Possible False Positive With a File in the Acapela Colibri Voice Bundle

 

Tell that to microsoft.

Microsoft has flagged so many things as a virus that I simply exclude a bunch of things by default.

On 24/05/2021 5:18 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

The other point to make is that if you simply whitelist any program which gets a false positive, it also adds the possibility, however remote, of that program getting a real virus which goes unnoticed because you've told your AV to ignore it.

 

AV programs usually don't flag any given genuine program very often, and as Brian noted, they can usually rectify it within a few days.  I can think of maybe three or four times in the last six years where I've been notified that an AV program (usually different ones) have falsely flagged a build of NVDA, including alpha builds - and given most users run ONE AV program, that's one issue in six years IF you happened to use one of those specific programs and the particular NVDA build flagged.  I don't know how many AV programs there are, but for reference, VirusTotal tests against 88: https://www.virustotal.com/gui/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 2:48 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:22 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

its been abandond

-
Still doesn't matter, as the scanner makers are able to do their own analysis to determine whether the positive is real or false.  If they determine it's false, the definitions are updated not to flag that specific piece of software for anyone again.

I can't tell anyone that they must report  suspected false positives to the various scanner makers, but you're doing yourself a favor and a kindness for many, many others if you do this and they respond by making a change to stop the flagging.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

 

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


locked Re: History with Jarte and NVDA

David Goldfield
 

I agree that Jarte is quite a nimble word processor and works well with NVDA. While every feature in Libreoffice may not be as accessible as we might prefer it is extremely powerful and works well enough to function with NVDA. It has a regular release cadence from what appears to be a vibrant and passionate team.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] History with Jarte and NVDA

 

What do you want the program to do that it doesn’t now?  And what benefit is there for support?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 9:39 AM

Subject: [nvda] History with Jarte and NVDA

 

Hello NVDA Group,

In 2007, I became aware of Jarte and NVDA when getting a refurbished
computer from a Texas-based organization called Computers for the
Blind. For those unfamiliar, Jarte was said to mimic the functions of
WordPad and go further. It was paired with NVDA on computers provided
by this organization.
Since 2019, Jarte has not released new updates nor supported its
latest updates. Is there a program that is now promoted to be as user
friendly for the vision impaired as Jarte was bestowed with such
acolades?

I assume NVDA and Jarte were favored by the above organization as each
offered a free version. Thanks in advance.

--
David C. Russell, Author




Re: Keyboard not acting normal

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 06:50 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Sightlings do it to.
-
You have no idea how often, either!

One thing those of us who are old-timey techs used to suggest, and still do, for external keyboards is either running them through a rinse-only cycle in the dishwasher or spray it down as promptly as possible with a sink sprayer or handheld shower.

Wetness is not really a problem, in most cases, provided you don't try to reconnect the device while it is still wet.  Make sure it's absolutely dry before you try it out again, which generally means at least 24-48 hours drying, preferably in a warm place with good air circulation.   Most things that get spilled into a keyboard are very easy to wash away provided they have not been allowed to dry/congeal before you do so.  But once sugars, fats, etc., thicken up or dry in the tiny cracks and crevices of the keys and contacts themselves, it's almost certain you'll never get it all cleaned out sufficiently.

When people say, "But you can't do that!!," my answer is, "What do you have to lose?"  If you don't try it, you can be virtually certain that your keyboard will be toast.  And heaven forbid it's a substantial fluid spill in to a laptop.  That is generally a death sentence.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Keyboard not acting normal

 

No problem.

On the subject with your board if its an internal board, if you are under warrenty then I'd get it fixed.


If not, and you don't absolutely need to use the board I'd just get a couple cheap boards and run it.

If you want flexability the mk 200-400 series wireless logitech or any ms board will do or genius to be honest.

If you need to replace a board then your system will be away for a while getting fixed, the place will charge the cost of the hardware, and the time and other things.

I had this with anothher older laptop, 300 bucks later and 3 weeks I got it back.

The board cost me about 50 bucks, the repairs and extra mark up cost the rest.

Be happy nothing else was dammaged though.

If you know someone that can fix it for you, you can do as my uncle did with a system he has had for the last few years and gone to ebay/ whatever other oction site you use and got a laptop that had been involved in an accident and was being sold off in bits.

It then may only cost the part and delivery, but you will need someone to fit it of course.

On 25/05/2021 7:12 am, Nevzat Adil wrote:
It was after someone mentioned spillage that it occurred to me it
could be the culprit.
Sorry for the inconvenience.


On 5/24/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Nevzat,

The fact that you had a spill was your most likely answer to begin with.

This was a vital piece of diagnostic information that should not have been
omitted.  All the other speculation likely would not have occurred had this
been mentioned.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel






Re: Is Oracle Data Management screen-reader accessible?

 

Well I wouldn't know,  but oracle stuff does use java.

So in theory if access bridge is active in windows and I think nvda does this anyway, it should work.

There are 2 types, java runtime which is 8. something then there is java 10 up.

The software may have java included with it so it may in fact work.

On the other side, assuming this friend is not doing any administrating of the thing and maybe doesn't have to interact with the software itself then it may be a web based application so it may just run like that.


Java apps are generally accessible as long as they don't use some odd library or something.

Java is used in almost everything so it would be a question of interface.

As for the software itself, not sure but even if its totally inaccessible there is probably a frontend that is.

Thats either via ms access, or the web, or some frontend access app that you can use etc.

Of course if she needs physical access to the software itself its always a bit harder.

But I have never used oracle database software and probably won't ever do so.

But chances are if its got shortcut keys then as long as the screens read and its got a menu or ribbon it can be used.

Even if that doesn't happen if the dialogs work then you could probably access it with keyboard shortcuts.

Even if thats still a no go if this job doesn't require direct interaction with either another database or a frontend, maybe it will accept other databases or file types so maybe excell.


Excell is still a dog I tried it it is however accessible to a point.

Its more the understanding on how to use it and I never ever got the hang of it though this could have been due to poor instruction rather than anything else.




On 25/05/2021 7:01 am, Arlene wrote:

Here is the question a friend asked about a job she’s applying for. Here’s the e-mail with the correct spelling.

Hello, all.

I’m seeking work with t tech as a customer service representative. They use oracle data management software. Is this accessible with either jaws or N V D a? Thanks so much and have a great day. This person called Freedom Scientific and they told her to call the Oracle company. I don’t think they have an idea what Jaws or any screen reader is. Would NVDA work with it?

 

Sent from

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Keyboard not acting normal

 

Hi jacky.

Yeah, I agree, drinking and eating near the board, I never do it.

You can knock things over so easily.

Sightlings do it to.

I still don't know how some of my family can read the screen of their tablet, work on their computer, drink coffee and eat musly all while talking on the phone to someone down the other end of the house I certainly can't see my self doing it.

I have tried to do it and made a mess of myself so no.

I have to many things about on my system to actually think about eating near it.

Now eating near your smart device with it a certain distance away maybe but the board, yeah its a problem.

While flatting in fact thhe system had a lot of issues, people used cd drives as cup hholders, there was food inside of the computer and so I can't be that bad.


However for a while my brother ate dinner and all meals ner the computer and I never had the issue of him spilling food though he left his rubbish for weeks on end but yeah, I'd never do it.

Just today I was resetting the entire network and I have probably knocked something off the desk, maybe its a phone but I can't find it, its not a big issue someone else can bother with it later but even so.

On 25/05/2021 6:24 am, Jackie wrote:
When I did adaptive technology in a previous life, I always said
blindies & keyboards don't mix well. Truthfully, sighted folks &
keyboards don't mix well either.

On 5/24/21, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Thank you so much for the leads.
Obviously is the keyboard, because when I attached another one to my
HP laptop all is fine.
Yesterday I had a teacup next to my laptop with very little liquid at
the bottom and having forgotten it was there I knocked it and the
liquid went to the bottom of my laptop. I dried both the bottom of the
laptop and the desk immediately but obviously some got inside the
keyboard.
Many keys did not work properly at the beginning, but later they began
acting right. Now only the arrows do not work right, but I imagine
after a while they'll start working, too when all is dry.


On 5/24/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
What keyboard is it.

Could be drivers, could be windows could be anything.

Firstly clean the board.

I know some boards can get a bit sticky at times.

I ended up using a vacuum with a small attachment and doing a gentle
suck over the board.

I also turned it up side down and gave it a really good shake over a
desktop and vacuumming that and the issues I have had are a lot less.

As I have a skin condition where skin tends to shed a lot my board does
need regular clearing of extras.

The next thing I'd check if wired is the condition of the wire, I have
had broken wires before.

Also I'd check the condition of the board, while mechanicals may not
have a high failure rate membranes could simply be warn out.

If this is wireless, then if it doesn't work, swapping out the power
cells wouldn't go a miss.

Next depending what it is, doing a factory reset on it followed by a
firmware refresh wouldn't go a miss at all if you have that capability.

On the computer side, I'd then check and update the latest drivers from
the manufacturer site.

Both for the keyboard and if its on usb the usb controlers though that
may need latest latest chhipset drivers though devices will generally
work without those.

I can't speak for logitech but setpoint and logitech options have not
had updates in a while now.

For microsoft their mouse keyboard centre doesn't update much but there
are updates from time to time.

Windows update may have a generic update in optionals or simply there is
a third party update for it.

Usually generic boards don't need software, firmware or drivers though.

Next, I'd run any bios and hardware firmware updates on your system in
case its an input issue, note you may allready have the latest updates
generally.

Next, I'd go through the standard sfc and dism checks followed by an
entire reformat though if you need to do the last 3 steps then its
probably worse than that.

Run a virus scan to but again you would have more issues than a board.

Most likely its the keyboard.

Start from the top and move down and down and down the list till the
reformat part.

As a test, try a different board and try that board on anothr system.

If it fails then skip to the end of this list and replace the board.



On 25/05/2021 4:05 am, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Hi Group,

My keyboard has not been acting normal since yesterday.
I cannot use the arrow keys. Only the left arrow key moves.
At first the NVDA key did not work but later misteriously started to
work. I rebooted a few times hoping itcorrect itself I am having a
hard time writing this message.
Any ideas why this is happening and how to correct this?
.
will corect



--
Nevzat Adil
Library of Congress Certified
Literary Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: nevzatadil@gmail.com
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader





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