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NVDA 2021 beta 1 and Edge Chromium are now working together correctly

Chris Shook
 

Hi,
I just wanted to let you all know that NVDA 2021 beta 1 works fine with Edge Chromium. I can read everything again.
To the develpers, thanks for fixing this issue. e


Re: Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA

Arlene
 

              

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: May 25, 2021 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA

 

I presume you're using the Outlook email client which, for some reason, is still "married to" IE for opening links at this time.  This was recently discussed, but I don't think on this group, as a spin-off of the removal of IE next June.  Microsoft is going to have to tweak Outlook either to be "married to" Edge or to use whatever the user has set as the default browser.

Although I know you cannot share confidential material in public.  A mock up of one of these where the text is a random sentence or two and where you substitute the real links with something like http://washingtonpost.com would go a long way toward trying to figure out what's going on.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

 


Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 1 is now available

Arlene
 

Louise! I don’t blame you one bit!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Louise Pfau
Sent: May 25, 2021 12:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 Beta 1 is now available

 

I think I might hold off on installing the beta and wait for the stable version given the issues that are happening.

 

Louise

 


braille display and nvda

dennis huckle
 

Sometimes in the past couple of days I have noticed  that my focus braille display shows the windows sign-in but the keys won’t react and I have to use a qwerty keyboard to sign in.

This happens after I turn the pc off and leave it for a few minutes.

I have selected in settings to use my settings at startup.

Any thoughts please.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 


Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 1 is now available

Louise Pfau
 

I think I might hold off on installing the beta and wait for the stable version given the issues that are happening.
 
Louise


Re: Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA

Jackie
 

Actually, I've been having difficulties w/some links in NVDA for quite
some time now. I often have to use object navigation in order to
activate them. In most cases, it seems as though there are 2 parts, a
"jump" and an activate portion, both of which need to be clicked in
order to activate the link. A little different from Louise's problem,
though perhaps a bit more widely applicable.

On 5/25/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
I presume you're using the Outlook email client which, for some reason, is
still "married to" IE for opening links at this time.  This was recently
discussed, but I don't think on this group, as a spin-off of the removal of
IE next June.  Microsoft is going to have to tweak Outlook either to be
"married to" Edge or to use whatever the user has set as the default
browser.

Although I know you cannot share confidential material in public.  A mock up
of one of these where the text is a random sentence or two and where you
substitute the real links with something like http://washingtonpost.com
would go a long way toward trying to figure out what's going on.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel





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Re: Keyboard not acting normal

 

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
Do those cans of compressed air work for cleaning keyboards?
-
For dust and loose or semi-loose crud they do.  I've often had keyboards with not a sticky key, but a key where a crumb or other hard grain-of-sand-sided object got lodged beneath making strike activation of that key wonky.

As to how to do it, so long as you keep your fingers away from the end of the straw (as the air is very cold and can cause freezing) you would just run the straw along each row of keys while spraying.

This is not a precise process even if you can see what you're doing.  You just try to keep the straw tip such that it's touching the side edge of the key and is angled downward to get maximum force of air flowing under the key itself.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

tim
 

Have it turned on and log in is no different then normal. with or without password.


On 5/25/2021 2:22 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I mean, if the opening dialogue is the same every time, you shouldn’t really need speech feedback – but it would e a matter of estimating when that dialogue appears, and of course if something unpredictable happens, you wouldn’t neceeessarily know about it. Someone else said they needed sighted help aboug 50% of the time (I think) which is crazy.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: May 25, 2021 02:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi Richard,

 

You will probably have to have a sighted person to turn your computer on for you.

This was in 2015.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Indeed, I am duly concerned about this too.  However, it is a requirement of the employer to have such on a home PC used for remote work (HIPAA).  Relatedly, how does BitLocker impact making a Windows Image backup; using the legacy Windows method?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 08:48 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.

-
All I'll say about this, and it's not accessibility related, is think long and hard about whether you really want or need full drive encryption.  Most of us don't, particularly for our personal computers.

As a repair tech I have seen more incidents where everything was lost and unrecoverable because of "encryption gone wrong" than I care to talk about.  And I'm not talking about ransomware encryption, but intentional drive encryption.  It can be a major stumbling block if recovery is needed.  It can also be an issue if it "burps" in any way.

Give due consideration to whether this is something needed or not.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

 

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Keyboard not acting normal

Louise Pfau
 

Do those cans of compressed air work for cleaning keyboards?  If so, how do you do that when you’re blind?
 
Louise


Re: Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA

 

I presume you're using the Outlook email client which, for some reason, is still "married to" IE for opening links at this time.  This was recently discussed, but I don't think on this group, as a spin-off of the removal of IE next June.  Microsoft is going to have to tweak Outlook either to be "married to" Edge or to use whatever the user has set as the default browser.

Although I know you cannot share confidential material in public.  A mock up of one of these where the text is a random sentence or two and where you substitute the real links with something like http://washingtonpost.com would go a long way toward trying to figure out what's going on.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Jackie
 

Some habits are hard to break :).

On 5/25/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 02:26 PM, Jackie wrote:


I tend to use a > sign in such circumstances.
-
I'd definitely get that, but I can tell you that I have not seen that
notation commonly used.

I sometimes used that when trying to show a shorthand transition through
various windows or dialogs, e.g., Settings > System > Power & sleep pane.
But more recently I just comma separate them.  I think I started doing that
when I had to listen to, rather than just see, the > sign notation.  I want
it to read as nothing more than a brief pause, and commas do that.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel





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Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I’ve been having difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA.  JAWS doesn’t seem to have a problem.  I have to try to activate the links multiple times before they open correctly.  Before that, a browser window pops up saying something like “http://resedential”, and mentions Internet Explorer as the browser being opened, but Edge is my default browser.  I can’t provide an example because they are in confidential E-mails.  Has anyone come across this?
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Louis Maher
 

Hello Richard,

 

Aira may work for you.  Perhaps Be-My-Eyes as well, although your company might not like you showing the password to others.

 

AIRA’s people are used to handling confidential information.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: Louis Maher
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 1:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: RE: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi Richard,

 

You will probably have to have a sighted person to turn your computer on for you.

This was in 2015.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Indeed, I am duly concerned about this too.  However, it is a requirement of the employer to have such on a home PC used for remote work (HIPAA).  Relatedly, how does BitLocker impact making a Windows Image backup; using the legacy Windows method?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 08:48 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.

-
All I'll say about this, and it's not accessibility related, is think long and hard about whether you really want or need full drive encryption.  Most of us don't, particularly for our personal computers.

As a repair tech I have seen more incidents where everything was lost and unrecoverable because of "encryption gone wrong" than I care to talk about.  And I'm not talking about ransomware encryption, but intentional drive encryption.  It can be a major stumbling block if recovery is needed.  It can also be an issue if it "burps" in any way.

Give due consideration to whether this is something needed or not.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

 

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

 

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 02:26 PM, Jackie wrote:
I tend to use a > sign in such circumstances.
-
I'd definitely get that, but I can tell you that I have not seen that notation commonly used.

I sometimes used that when trying to show a shorthand transition through various windows or dialogs, e.g., Settings > System > Power & sleep pane.  But more recently I just comma separate them.  I think I started doing that when I had to listen to, rather than just see, the > sign notation.  I want it to read as nothing more than a brief pause, and commas do that.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Unless you need drive encryption, as opposed to file and folder encryption where your HIPAA data is stored, you need not use BitLocker.

There are other options, and a very popular one is VeraCrypt  (See Beginner's Tutorial).  It allows you to create what they call a VeraCrypt container, which is just a special type of folder where anything copied into it or saved into it is encrypted, and anything taken out of it or opened from it by the person who created it will be decrypted for their use.  I seem to recall VeraCrypt being discussed on one of the screen-reader-centric groups and its being accessible, but I can't recall for certain.  If it is accessible, it could be far easier to deal with than BitLocker if what has been reported here remains true, and I cannot say whether it does or does not.

Note from me as moderator:  The only reason I'm allowing this topic to continue is because, so far, it's focused on whether or not BitLocker is accessible with NVDA, and details regarding issues with same.  If it takes a turn toward how to use BitLocker (or even VeraCrypt) then that needs to occur on the Chat Subgroup or elsewhere, as neither of those topics is screen reader dependent once it's established that basic accessibility exists.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

tim
 

I have it turned on this laptop when I got it.

Don't have to use any passwords. You setup your Microsoft account and local. Then you get win10 startup with your choice of pin, face with ir camera, and finger print. You can turn all that off also to log in how you like.

now here comes the problem. You need the bitlocker key if going to do any resets or restoring from any backups. They are locked to your Microsoft account. That key will let you back in that drive or anyother drive you have bitlocked..


On 5/25/2021 11:39 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi Louis!

 

Interesting.  When you say “power on,” does that mean 1) from a restart a.k.a. “soft boot” or 2) an actual cold start by pressing the power button a.k.a. “hard boot” - or both?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hello Richard,

 

I last used bitLocker in 2015.  At that time, bitLocker would ask the sighted for a power on password.  This dialog was completely inaccessible to the blind.  After about 30 seconds, I would enter my bitLocker  power-on password and hope that the dialog box was open.  (Note if the computer was doing updates, then this strategy would fail.) If I entered an incorrect password, the resulting error dialog was also in accessible.  After waiting ten minutes or so, if the computer had not reached the Microsoft account login keyword, I would reboot the machine and try again.  Usually I would find a kind sighted person to help me turn on my computer.  I had to get a sighted person to turn on my computer about 50% of the time.  Microsoft said that they could not make the Bit Locker dialog accessible because Bit Locker runs early in the power-on cycle.

 

Note, using bitLocker was my employer’s requirement.

 

BitLocker encrypts your hard drive and is probably a good idea.

 

I would be interested if there has been any bitLocker progress since 2015.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi!

 

I have a PC running Windows 10 Pro 64-bit and NVDA 2020.4.  Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.  Will doing so trigger any accessibility issues?

 

Thanks,

Richard


Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Jackie
 

I tend to use a > sign in such circumstances. It was what I was taught
when doing malware fighter training.

On 5/25/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 01:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:


A bit about "comma": that's usually the way I write commands (others may
have different ideas).
-
As do I, and as does most documentation where a multi-key press, in order
must occur, e.g., WinKey+X,A to run a command prompt (in my case) with admin
privileges or NVDA+N,T,A to open the NVDA Add-Ons Manager.

I just couldn't interpret the meaning of, "I hit comma and it did nothing,"
in this context.  Just like the plus sign in two-keystroke at once sequences
isn't interpreted literally, nor should comma ever be.  Some will write out
something like NVDA+N, followed by T, followed by A, but that gets really
unmanageable really fast.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel





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Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

 

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 01:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
A bit about "comma": that's usually the way I write commands (others may have different ideas).
-
As do I, and as does most documentation where a multi-key press, in order must occur, e.g., WinKey+X,A to run a command prompt (in my case) with admin privileges or NVDA+N,T,A to open the NVDA Add-Ons Manager.

I just couldn't interpret the meaning of, "I hit comma and it did nothing," in this context.  Just like the plus sign in two-keystroke at once sequences isn't interpreted literally, nor should comma ever be.  Some will write out something like NVDA+N, followed by T, followed by A, but that gets really unmanageable really fast.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

JM Casey
 

I mean, if the opening dialogue is the same every time, you shouldn’t really need speech feedback – but it would e a matter of estimating when that dialogue appears, and of course if something unpredictable happens, you wouldn’t neceeessarily know about it. Someone else said they needed sighted help aboug 50% of the time (I think) which is crazy.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: May 25, 2021 02:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi Richard,

 

You will probably have to have a sighted person to turn your computer on for you.

This was in 2015.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Indeed, I am duly concerned about this too.  However, it is a requirement of the employer to have such on a home PC used for remote work (HIPAA).  Relatedly, how does BitLocker impact making a Windows Image backup; using the legacy Windows method?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 08:48 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.

-
All I'll say about this, and it's not accessibility related, is think long and hard about whether you really want or need full drive encryption.  Most of us don't, particularly for our personal computers.

As a repair tech I have seen more incidents where everything was lost and unrecoverable because of "encryption gone wrong" than I care to talk about.  And I'm not talking about ransomware encryption, but intentional drive encryption.  It can be a major stumbling block if recovery is needed.  It can also be an issue if it "burps" in any way.

Give due consideration to whether this is something needed or not.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

 

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Louis Maher
 

Hi Richard,

 

You will probably have to have a sighted person to turn your computer on for you.

This was in 2015.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Indeed, I am duly concerned about this too.  However, it is a requirement of the employer to have such on a home PC used for remote work (HIPAA).  Relatedly, how does BitLocker impact making a Windows Image backup; using the legacy Windows method?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 08:48 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.

-
All I'll say about this, and it's not accessibility related, is think long and hard about whether you really want or need full drive encryption.  Most of us don't, particularly for our personal computers.

As a repair tech I have seen more incidents where everything was lost and unrecoverable because of "encryption gone wrong" than I care to talk about.  And I'm not talking about ransomware encryption, but intentional drive encryption.  It can be a major stumbling block if recovery is needed.  It can also be an issue if it "burps" in any way.

Give due consideration to whether this is something needed or not.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

 

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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