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Re: Add-on Updater 21.05.1 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

Another huge reminder: betas are meant to gather feedback before software goes live. Things can break, including add-ons not working properly or not even running at all, so please don’t panic. I and other members of the add-ons world can assure you that we are working around the clock to test and release add-ons that are ready for NVDA 2021.1.

P.S. Originally, I thought 2021.1 betas wouldn’t be as stressful as 2019.3 betas, but I was wrong: it will take a while before everyone is on board, especially because changes were made that caused several speech synthesizer add-ons to fail; editing add-on manifests will not work. The add-ons community have informed synth add-on makers about this, and synth driver add-on authors are working hard on preparing their add-ons. Also, due to changes to GUI toolkit NvDA is using, potentially any add-on that comes with a dialog (such as Systray List, StationPlaylist, and others) will not work properly with 2021.1 beta 1; developers of affected add-ons (I included) are working hard to make sure our add-ons are fully ready by the time 2021.1 stable version is released to the world.

I (as an add-on author and NVDA code contributor) am saying all this to reassure you: users are not forgotten. When it comes to add-ons, your pain is my pain, and I and the add-ons community members are doing everything we can to improve your lives and productivity through our add-ons, including making them ready by the time you meet NVDA 2021.1. At this time, on behalf of NVDA add-ons community and mailing list members (I am the head admin of NVDA Add-ons mailing list), I would like to kindly request that you wait for add-on developers to update their add-ons and wait for announcements, and if you don’t see your favorite add-on not working after 2021.1 stable version is released, then please send a love letter to add-on authors.

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 12:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater 21.05.1 #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

Update: If you are using Add-on Updater 21.05 with NVDA versions earlier than 2021.1 beta 1 or alpha-22877, you can now download Add-on Updater 21.05.1 via Add-on Updater. After that, you can enable update checks.

Specifically, follow the below steps as exactly as shown:

If you are not using NVDA alpha.22877 or 2021.1 beta 1 or later and would like to use one of these:

  1. Check if automatic add-on updates setting is on (NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Add-on Updater), and if not, enable it.
  2. Install Add-on Updater 21.05.1 when offered. You MUST install Add-on Updater 21.05.1 BEFORE you can use alpha.22877 or 2021.1 beta 1 or later because without that, you won't receive new add-on updates through this add-on because Add-on Updater will be flagged as incompatible and will not work.
  3. Install whatever NvDA version you would like to use AFTER installing Add-on Updater 21.05.1 and restarting NVDA once.

If you are using NVDA alpha.22877 or 2021.1 beta 1 or later and happen to be using Add-on Updater 21.05: you must download Add-on Updater 21.05.1 manually (see the earlier message for download link).

If you are using Add-on Updater 21.05.1: you can ignore this as you are using latest release.

Expect more messages from add-on authors as add-on updates declaring support for NvDA 2021.1 beta 1 are released (some of them include mine).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater 21.05.1 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

Update: If you are using Add-on Updater 21.05 with NVDA versions earlier than 2021.1 beta 1 or alpha-22877, you can now download Add-on Updater 21.05.1 via Add-on Updater. After that, you can enable update checks.

Specifically, follow the below steps as exactly as shown:

If you are not using NVDA alpha.22877 or 2021.1 beta 1 or later and would like to use one of these:

  1. Check if automatic add-on updates setting is on (NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Add-on Updater), and if not, enable it.
  2. Install Add-on Updater 21.05.1 when offered. You MUST install Add-on Updater 21.05.1 BEFORE you can use alpha.22877 or 2021.1 beta 1 or later because without that, you won't receive new add-on updates through this add-on because Add-on Updater will be flagged as incompatible and will not work.
  3. Install whatever NvDA version you would like to use AFTER installing Add-on Updater 21.05.1 and restarting NVDA once.

If you are using NVDA alpha.22877 or 2021.1 beta 1 or later and happen to be using Add-on Updater 21.05: you must download Add-on Updater 21.05.1 manually (see the earlier message for download link).

If you are using Add-on Updater 21.05.1: you can ignore this as you are using latest release.

Expect more messages from add-on authors as add-on updates declaring support for NvDA 2021.1 beta 1 are released (some of them include mine).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: checklist to perform web accessibility test with NVDA

Sascha Cowley
 

"Yes, and" I was responding to Luke Davis' question. I am aware of everything you stated.


Re: checklist to perform web accessibility test with NVDA

 

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:34 AM, Sascha Cowley wrote:
For one, there are many other accessibility issues than those encountered by screen-reader users, and screen-readers are not the only assistive technology in use.
Second, as I'm sure you know, different screen-reader and browser combinations perform differently together on the same website.
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Yes, and?

There is no grand unified checklist that handles varieties of accessibility technologies that don't target the same demographics.

And the second is a given so, yes, one could do the typical screen reader checks with any given screen reader, using everything else the same, and have slightly different results.

There is no "NVDA accessible," per se, just like there's no JAWS accessible, Narrator accessible, etc.  There are times when one screen reader or another may work better than another.

You're talking about field test results with a specific screen reader, which is all that can be determined with a single screen reader.  General accessibility standards, previously referenced, are screen-reader agnostic.
 
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Re: checklist to perform web accessibility test with NVDA

Sascha Cowley
 


Can you explain how accessible with NVDA is different than just regular accessible?
For one, there are many other accessibility issues than those encountered by screen-reader users, and screen-readers are not the only assistive technology in use.
Second, as I'm sure you know, different screen-reader and browser combinations perform differently together on the same website.


Microsoft Excel and NVDA

Eilana Benish
 

Good morning

I have a serious problem with Microsoft Excel

When using the arrow keys or the tab key, to move between cells in Microsoft Excel, even on the gnu document, NVDA announces the word cell instead of the cell coordinates.

I`M USING THE LAST VERSION OF nvda AND I DID NOT MADE ENNY CHANGES – SO THIS IS WEIRD.

I HOPE MICROSOFT DID NOT MADE UPDATE TO THE MICROSOFT 365 OFFICE THAT COSSES THIS PROBLEM.

 




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Re: checklist to perform web accessibility test with NVDA

Luke Davis
 

Aschalew Byness wrote:

May I get an accessibility checklist to test the accessibility of a
website with NVDA?
Can you explain how accessible with NVDA is different than just regular accessible?
(I.e. with any screen reader?)

As I'm sure you know from searching the web, regular accessibility checklists are out there, along with good web design for accessibility guides and such.

These search results seem promising, for example.

https://www.google.com/search?ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&source=hp&q=website+accessibility+checklist&btnG=Google+Search&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYK3UeXzU06GrOZebOaSMy4LTchnZ6_4Q&gbv=1

Luke


Re: Keyboard not acting normal

Sarah k Alawami
 

Nope not at all. A friend of mine spilled a whole liter of coke when they got startled right into their computer. Ok, that sentence was not structured right, but let's just say, that computer never worked again. I spilled a cup of Gatorade once onto a laptop. It died 2 years later.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Keyboard not acting normal

When I did adaptive technology in a previous life, I always said blindies & keyboards don't mix well. Truthfully, sighted folks & keyboards don't mix well either.

On 5/24/21, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Thank you so much for the leads.
Obviously is the keyboard, because when I attached another one to my
HP laptop all is fine.
Yesterday I had a teacup next to my laptop with very little liquid at
the bottom and having forgotten it was there I knocked it and the
liquid went to the bottom of my laptop. I dried both the bottom of the
laptop and the desk immediately but obviously some got inside the
keyboard.
Many keys did not work properly at the beginning, but later they began
acting right. Now only the arrows do not work right, but I imagine
after a while they'll start working, too when all is dry.


On 5/24/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
What keyboard is it.

Could be drivers, could be windows could be anything.

Firstly clean the board.

I know some boards can get a bit sticky at times.

I ended up using a vacuum with a small attachment and doing a gentle
suck over the board.

I also turned it up side down and gave it a really good shake over a
desktop and vacuumming that and the issues I have had are a lot less.

As I have a skin condition where skin tends to shed a lot my board
does need regular clearing of extras.

The next thing I'd check if wired is the condition of the wire, I
have had broken wires before.

Also I'd check the condition of the board, while mechanicals may not
have a high failure rate membranes could simply be warn out.

If this is wireless, then if it doesn't work, swapping out the power
cells wouldn't go a miss.

Next depending what it is, doing a factory reset on it followed by a
firmware refresh wouldn't go a miss at all if you have that capability.

On the computer side, I'd then check and update the latest drivers
from the manufacturer site.

Both for the keyboard and if its on usb the usb controlers though
that may need latest latest chhipset drivers though devices will
generally work without those.

I can't speak for logitech but setpoint and logitech options have not
had updates in a while now.

For microsoft their mouse keyboard centre doesn't update much but
there are updates from time to time.

Windows update may have a generic update in optionals or simply there
is a third party update for it.

Usually generic boards don't need software, firmware or drivers though.

Next, I'd run any bios and hardware firmware updates on your system
in case its an input issue, note you may allready have the latest
updates generally.

Next, I'd go through the standard sfc and dism checks followed by an
entire reformat though if you need to do the last 3 steps then its
probably worse than that.

Run a virus scan to but again you would have more issues than a board.

Most likely its the keyboard.

Start from the top and move down and down and down the list till the
reformat part.

As a test, try a different board and try that board on anothr system.

If it fails then skip to the end of this list and replace the board.



On 25/05/2021 4:05 am, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Hi Group,

My keyboard has not been acting normal since yesterday.
I cannot use the arrow keys. Only the left arrow key moves.
At first the NVDA key did not work but later misteriously started to
work. I rebooted a few times hoping itcorrect itself I am having a
hard time writing this message.
Any ideas why this is happening and how to correct this?
.
will corect





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Re: checklist to perform web accessibility test with NVDA

Chris Smart
 

On 2021-05-25 11:30 p.m., Aschalew Byness wrote:
Hi folks
May I get an accessibility checklist to test the accessibility of a
website with NVDA?




locked Re: History with Jarte and NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually jarte just came out with a new update a few months ago. I love and use it as my default editor except when I have to use notepad, which is rare now a days.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] History with Jarte and NVDA

Hello NVDA Group,

In 2007, I became aware of Jarte and NVDA when getting a refurbished computer from a Texas-based organization called Computers for the Blind. For those unfamiliar, Jarte was said to mimic the functions of WordPad and go further. It was paired with NVDA on computers provided by this organization.
Since 2019, Jarte has not released new updates nor supported its latest updates. Is there a program that is now promoted to be as user friendly for the vision impaired as Jarte was bestowed with such acolades?

I assume NVDA and Jarte were favored by the above organization as each offered a free version. Thanks in advance.

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checklist to perform web accessibility test with NVDA

Aschalew Byness
 

Hi folks
May I get an accessibility checklist to test the accessibility of a
website with NVDA?


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Luke Davis
 

JM Casey wrote:

I mean, if the opening dialogue is the same every time, you shouldn’t really need speech feedback – but it would e a matter of estimating when that dialogue
appears, and of course if something unpredictable happens, you wouldn’t neceeessarily know about it. Someone else said they needed sighted help aboug 50% of
the time (I think) which is crazy.
You could also use something like Be My Eyes's Microsoft support option, to contact Microsoft each time you boot. Assuming you have a smartphone.
I wonder how many of those calls people would have to make before MS would devote some time to making that interface somewhat more accessible. Likely wishful thinking.

You wouldn't have to show them the password, just get them to tell you when the prompt is on screen, put down the phone to type it in, and if it fails they can tell you that.

Luke


Re: Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA

Gene
 

I won’t discuss this further on this list, though I will on the chat list if the subject is discussed there. 
 
I wanted to report something very interesting.  The newsletter I discussed appears to do a very odd thing:
 
In Windows Live Mail, there is a link that opens Internet Explorer with a bad address message.  The other links I tested all open in my default browser.
But when I test the same e-mail in thunderbirdd the title that was shown as a link and that leads to the incorrect address message being displayed in Internet explorer is not shown as a link.  it appears displayed as plain text.
 
I have no idea if this has relevance to your probloem but bbased on the previous discussion I would suggest trying a different e-mail program, forwarding the message to yourself, and seeing if the links work properly.  I have no idea what will happen.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA
 
But isn’t it the case that outside of this newsletter, your default browser opens?  Mine almost always does.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA
 
I am not using Outlook, but I’m using software that is no longer supported.  I didn’t mention that due to the out-of support rule.  I just tried again with another link, and got the message “Internet Explorer: Address not valid”.
 
Louise


Re: Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA

 

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 08:15 PM, Gene wrote:
Don’t believe what you hear from technical support staff in cases where you think there might be reason to doubt unless you have reason to do so.  Don’t just not believe it either.  Be skeptical and check in good lists. 
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Amen to that!!

I actually don't have any problem with any given tech support organization saying, "We don't/won't/can't do that, as the software is no longer supported," which is an entirely different matter from saying, "It cannot be done."

And many tech support personnel have no expertise in the things they're supporting, but are using scripts.  And when that's the case, if they lack any real-world expertise, you can get all sorts of incorrect answers due to ignorance.  Why most organizations seem to believe that a support tech saying, "I don't know," is the worst possible thing eludes me.
 
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Re: Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA

Gene
 

But isn’t it the case that outside of this newsletter, your default browser opens?  Mine almost always does.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA
 
I am not using Outlook, but I’m using software that is no longer supported.  I didn’t mention that due to the out-of support rule.  I just tried again with another link, and got the message “Internet Explorer: Address not valid”.
 
Louise


Re: Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA

Gene
 

People should really make an issue about this sort of thing in some way with Microsoft.  Not being supported has nothing to do with this sort of thing.  You aren’t using the program in any way that means anything.  You are exporting the address book into a CSV file, then importing it into Thunderbird.  Yes, Windows Live Mail isn’t supported but this is a universal ability of e-mail programs, to export messages into a CSV file and there are times when people using Outlook can’t directly import from programs and the CSV method is used.  I consider this we don’t support it so you can’t export your address book sort of response to be indefensible.  In your case and who knows how many others, it means that you were thinking of using a program you didn’t want to use for no justifiable reason. 
 
Don’t believe what you hear from technical support staff in cases where you think there might be reason to doubt unless you have reason to do so.  Don’t just not believe it either.  Be skeptical and check in good lists. 
 
You can use Thunderbird if you wish.  I exported contacts from Windows Live Mail and imported them into Thunderbird as I described. 
 
However, I doubt the links problem has anything to do with a program not being supported and not being able to do something as it ages.  The same thing happens to me with certain links in a newsletter I get.  there are usually two links to a story and they are often evidently different since one causes this result and the other doesn’t.  I don’t recall if I tried this in Thunderbbird with such a link but I will.  It may work, but I doubt it.
 
Further, I wouldn’t change e-mail programs just because of a problem affecting this e-mail and not being a general problem. 
 
I don’t know about other people’s machines, but on my machine, it is so much faster for messages to be available as I move through the message list that I save perhaps two wasted seconds using Windows Live Mail per message. 
 
I’ll tell you how I get Windows Live Mail to be so efficient if you wish but that is beyond the scope of the current message.  I’ll just say that, using my method, I can read a message, or however much I want of one, move to the next message, and just about instantly after moving to it, begin reading it.  That’s why I keep using Windows Live mail.  I don’t want the annoyance of waiting for each message to open.  I get perhaps one-hundred fifty messages a day.  Aside from the annoyance, if I go through fifteen messages, I’ve wasted thirty seconds, one minute for thirty.  I’ll leave it as an exercise for the student to determine how much time is wasted when going through one-hundred fifty messages.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA
 
I’ve tried to cover all of the points without quoting the whole message.  All right, I’m using Windows Live Mail 2012, but I thought we weren’t supposed to mention out-of-support software, nor am I having any other issues with it.  I’m using it with IMAP, because my ISP stopped using POP3 when they migrated their interface over to the Google platform.  I’m looking into using Thunderbird, but I was told that I couldn’t import my Windows Live Mail contacts and folders into it with the assistance of Microsoft Accessibility because Windows Live Mail was no longer supported and there was no function to do so.  They recommended I use Outlook and set up an Outlook E-mail, which I don’t need because I have an E-mail address from my ISP in addition to a gmail address.    I think I may have mentioned this in an earlier topic, although I don’t recall if there was a satisfactory resolution.  I don’t know why the links are indicating that they are opening with an invalid address (I’m accessing the links directly from within the E-mail message )in Internet Explorer when Edge is my default browser.
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA

 

Louise,

        I am not going to get into export/import functions from any email client, supported or not, here because it's not in any way NVDA related.  That being said, I am happy to discuss this in depth on the Chat Subgroup.  You can absolutely export contacts from WLM and import them into other e-mail clients.  I can't speak to your folders not knowing whether they're local folders or IMAP folders.

         I tried to explain that Outlook, and I'm presuming, though not certain, WLM 2012, is currently "hard coded" to use IE for opening links, period, end of sentence.  If you don't believe me, take a look at this comment from another technician when the announcement that IE was being discontinued came out:  https://www.technibble.com/forums/threads/ie-being-removed-from-win-10-20h2-and-later-effective-june-15th-2022.86915/post-719341.  It doesn't matter what your default browser under Windows 10 happens to be, IE will be used by Outlook, and given that's the case through Outlook 365, I'm willing to take a leap of faith it is in WLM 2012, which hasn't been touched in years, too.

           In the end, all probabilities are that this is not an NVDA issue.  It's not impossible, but if I were placing bets, that's not where I'd place 'em as far as "who's the guilty party."

            This topic really needs to be taken to the Chat Subgroup if it is to be continued.
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Re: Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA

Louise Pfau
 

I’ve tried to cover all of the points without quoting the whole message.  All right, I’m using Windows Live Mail 2012, but I thought we weren’t supposed to mention out-of-support software, nor am I having any other issues with it.  I’m using it with IMAP, because my ISP stopped using POP3 when they migrated their interface over to the Google platform.  I’m looking into using Thunderbird, but I was told that I couldn’t import my Windows Live Mail contacts and folders into it with the assistance of Microsoft Accessibility because Windows Live Mail was no longer supported and there was no function to do so.  They recommended I use Outlook and set up an Outlook E-mail, which I don’t need because I have an E-mail address from my ISP in addition to a gmail address.    I think I may have mentioned this in an earlier topic, although I don’t recall if there was a satisfactory resolution.  I don’t know why the links are indicating that they are opening with an invalid address (I’m accessing the links directly from within the E-mail message )in Internet Explorer when Edge is my default browser.
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA

 

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 04:53 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
I am not using Outlook, but I’m using software that is no longer supported.  I didn’t mention that due to the out-of support rule. 
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And that, right there, could (note, I didn't say is, but very well could) be your problem.  I used to tell people it was OK to use Windows Live Mail 2012 for a number of years after it went out of support, because it wasn't being cranky and didn't have glaring security holes like Outlook Express did.  But, suddenly, it did start getting cranky for me.  It still isn't, at last report, for some others.

I will say that in-depth discussion of out-of-support software is forbidden on this group.  But that's a completely different thing than giving accurate information about the operating environment you've got.  The response, and not just from myself, might very well be, "Get rid of {insert piece of software here}," from other people who've experienced the same or similar issues.

This is the very reason why using out-of-support software is generally a bad idea.  You really don't know when or how it might eventually break, and if it does, it's not going to be fixed.

It's also one of the reasons I harp on people NOT to use POP3 email access.  It's an absolute cinch to ditch one email client for another if you're using IMAP or MS-Exchange access protocols because everything will just "automagically" reappear in any and all other clients you set up, even on the same machine.  The same is not true of POP3 in its usual default configurations (there are several variants).

My guess, based on your stated error message, is that the actual URL is somehow "malformed" when being passed to IE by your email client.  That is, provided you are absolutely certain it is a valid address, which I'm assuming you are.
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Re: Difficulty accessing links in confidential E-mails with NVDA

Louise Pfau
 

I am not using Outlook, but I’m using software that is no longer supported.  I didn’t mention that due to the out-of support rule.  I just tried again with another link, and got the message “Internet Explorer: Address not valid”.
 
Louise

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