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locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Brian!

 

Thanks for your below.  I may take this up on the Windows 10 user group, but since I am trying to transition away from JAWS to NVDA I thought to ask it here.  I recognize that the Windows 10 list is not screen reader specific, but most of the people there seem to use JAWS whereas this list is NVDA specific.  Please indulge me a bit further.  I am almost done.

 

About moving away from the Windows 7 legacy backup method, indeed I know about its pending end-of-life and agree with you that moving to something else is advised.  Once I find a good, accessible, free solution I intend to do just that.  For now, though, I have bigger fish to fry.  No doubt, you can expect many questions coming from me about that “solution” in the near future!

 

Best,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Richard,

           I would suggest you might want to take these questions up on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group.  There are likely to be more folks who are actively using Bitlocker there, and can definitively answer your questions.  This really is out-of-scope for the NVDA group.

           My final word with regard to backup is do not use the legacy Backup & Restore (Windows 7) feature.  Microsoft deprecated the core component of that utility all the way back at Version 1709.  That means that it, like IE, could be pulled at any time of Microsoft's choosing.  Their official statement back then was to choose and use a third-party utility.  Microsoft Announcement of Deprecated Features, including SIB [Backup and Restore (Windows 7), V1709]
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

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locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Louis Maher
 

Hello Richard,

 

The BitLocker password is a completely separate password.  It does not have any relationship to the Microsoft password.  The problem is that the BitLocker dialog runs at power-on before most of your operating system is loaded.  This is why it has no accessibility.  In the past, Microsoft has said that there would have to be a new industry standard to account for the changes needed to make BitLocker accessible.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi Louis

 

Thanks for your below.  So, I understand from your below that the BitLocker dialogue appears only upon a “cold” power-on action, not a “warm” restart.  That is good news for me since I rarely turn-off my PC.  One more thing about your below, when you say that you have to enter your “BitLocker” password is that the same as your standard Windows sign-in password entered normally from the Windows sign-in screen?  Of course, here I am not speaking of the “64 digit recovery password” needed when you fail at a logon after three attempts.

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hello Richard,

 

I used to get the BitLocker dialog after an actual cold start by pressing the power button.

 

As I remember, you were given three chances to get your BitLocker password correct.  After your third attempt, another dialog appeared asking you to enter a 64-digit recovery password which was given you when BitLocker was originally installed.  Please note that this dialog is also completely inaccessible. 

 

If that is not successful, you have to purchase a new hard drive.

 

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi Louis!

 

Interesting.  When you say “power on,” does that mean 1) from a restart a.k.a. “soft boot” or 2) an actual cold start by pressing the power button a.k.a. “hard boot” - or both?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hello Richard,

 

I last used bitLocker in 2015.  At that time, bitLocker would ask the sighted for a power on password.  This dialog was completely inaccessible to the blind.  After about 30 seconds, I would enter my bitLocker  power-on password and hope that the dialog box was open.  (Note if the computer was doing updates, then this strategy would fail.) If I entered an incorrect password, the resulting error dialog was also in accessible.  After waiting ten minutes or so, if the computer had not reached the Microsoft account login keyword, I would reboot the machine and try again.  Usually I would find a kind sighted person to help me turn on my computer.  I had to get a sighted person to turn on my computer about 50% of the time.  Microsoft said that they could not make the Bit Locker dialog accessible because Bit Locker runs early in the power-on cycle.

 

Note, using bitLocker was my employer’s requirement.

 

BitLocker encrypts your hard drive and is probably a good idea.

 

I would be interested if there has been any bitLocker progress since 2015.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi!

 

I have a PC running Windows 10 Pro 64-bit and NVDA 2020.4.  Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.  Will doing so trigger any accessibility issues?

 

Thanks,

Richard


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 01:56 PM, tim wrote:
The contracts i signed state I can't upgrade or install any software without permission from them and sysop.
-
Yes, and?

This is again one of those things that's common practice, but not universal practice.

You simply cannot presume that what your company did is what all companies require.  You ask rather than just presuming.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Louis

 

Thanks for your below.  So, I understand from your below that the BitLocker dialogue appears only upon a “cold” power-on action, not a “warm” restart.  That is good news for me since I rarely turn-off my PC.  One more thing about your below, when you say that you have to enter your “BitLocker” password is that the same as your standard Windows sign-in password entered normally from the Windows sign-in screen?  Of course, here I am not speaking of the “64 digit recovery password” needed when you fail at a logon after three attempts.

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hello Richard,

 

I used to get the BitLocker dialog after an actual cold start by pressing the power button.

 

As I remember, you were given three chances to get your BitLocker password correct.  After your third attempt, another dialog appeared asking you to enter a 64-digit recovery password which was given you when BitLocker was originally installed.  Please note that this dialog is also completely inaccessible. 

 

If that is not successful, you have to purchase a new hard drive.

 

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi Louis!

 

Interesting.  When you say “power on,” does that mean 1) from a restart a.k.a. “soft boot” or 2) an actual cold start by pressing the power button a.k.a. “hard boot” - or both?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hello Richard,

 

I last used bitLocker in 2015.  At that time, bitLocker would ask the sighted for a power on password.  This dialog was completely inaccessible to the blind.  After about 30 seconds, I would enter my bitLocker  power-on password and hope that the dialog box was open.  (Note if the computer was doing updates, then this strategy would fail.) If I entered an incorrect password, the resulting error dialog was also in accessible.  After waiting ten minutes or so, if the computer had not reached the Microsoft account login keyword, I would reboot the machine and try again.  Usually I would find a kind sighted person to help me turn on my computer.  I had to get a sighted person to turn on my computer about 50% of the time.  Microsoft said that they could not make the Bit Locker dialog accessible because Bit Locker runs early in the power-on cycle.

 

Note, using bitLocker was my employer’s requirement.

 

BitLocker encrypts your hard drive and is probably a good idea.

 

I would be interested if there has been any bitLocker progress since 2015.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi!

 

I have a PC running Windows 10 Pro 64-bit and NVDA 2020.4.  Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.  Will doing so trigger any accessibility issues?

 

Thanks,

Richard


Welcome to the NVDA Community Add-ons website - Check Input Gestures #nvdaaddonsfeed

nvda@nvda.groups.io Integration <nvda@...>
 

Check Input Gestures

  • Author: Oleksandr Gryshchenko
  • Version: 1.0
  • NVDA compatibility: 2019.3 and beyond
  • Download stable version

Find and fix input gestures conflicts in NVDA and add-ons. The general term "input gestures" includes keyboard commands, commands entered from Braille keyboards and gestures of touch screens.

Each of the installed add-ons can make changes to the NVDA configuration by adding or reassigning existing input gestures. If the same input gestures are binded to several functions, it will be impossible to call some of them.

Search for duplicate gestures

To detect duplicate gestures, call the NVDA menu, go to the "Tools" submenu, then - "Check Input Gestures" and activate the menu item "Search for duplicate gestures...".
After that, all input gestures used in NVDA will be checked in the following order:

  1. globalCommands;
  2. globalPlugins.

If the same input gestures will be detected, which are assigned to different functions, their list will be displayed in a separate dialog box.
After pressing the Enter key on the selected list item, the corresponding NVDA function will be selected and opened in the standard "Input Gestures..." dialog, where you can delete or reassign the associated gesture.

Note: As you know, features that don't have a text description do not appear in the "Input Gestures..." dialog. Therefore, after activating such an element, the corresponding warning will be displayed.

Gestures without description

To view the list of gestures binded with functions without a text description, if they are found in your NVDA configuration, you need to call the NVDA menu, go to the submenu "Tools", then - "Gestures without description...".
Such features do not appear in the standard NVDA "Input Gestures..." dialog, so it is not yet possible to delete or reassign associated gestures.

Help

One way to view this help page is to call up the NVDA menu, go to the "Tools" submenu, then - "Check Input Gestures", and activate "Help".

Note: All features of the add-on are presented in the NVDA "Input Gestures" dialog and you can assign your own keyboard shortcuts to each of them.

Contributions

We are very grateful to everyone who made the effort to develop, translate and maintain this add-on:

  • Wafiqtaher - Arabic translation;
  • Angelo Miguel Abrantes - Portuguese translation;
  • Cagri Dogan - Turkish translation.

Change log

Version 1.0

  • implemented search for duplicate input gestures;
  • implemented search for input gestures binded to functions without a text description.

Altering of add-on source code

You may clone this repo to make alteration to NVDA Check Input Gestures.

Third Party dependencies

These can be installed with pip:

  • markdown
  • scons
  • python-gettext

To package the add-on for distribution

  1. Open a command line, change to the root of this repo
  2. Run the scons command. The created add-on, if there were no errors, is placed in the current directory.


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

tim
 

I work at home for one of my jobs, and that computer is mine. However, the company had there sysop install there software and turn bitlocker on for that box. now everything on that box is recorded for legal purposes and only used for that job. The contracts i signed state I can't upgrade or install any software without permission from them and sysop.


On 5/26/2021 12:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Yeah, I mean it depends on the employer – they said they were working from home but I dnot’ remember if it was stated whether this was their personal pc or a work computer. Even working at the service desk, tryign to suggest that an organisation do thigns differently (or use a different application) is sometimes just a losing battle – they just won’t budge. But you never know

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: May 26, 2021 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 07:32 AM, JM Casey wrote:

the OP stated that his employer leaves him no choice in that matter.

-
I read that as meaning that encryption is required, and nothing more.  I could be wrong.  But were I in this position, I would be pushing back against the need for drive encryption in general and BitLocker in particular.  It's gross overkill if it's strictly client data that you're seeking to encrypt.

There are other alternatives.  And the one I mentioned has now been confirmed as fully accessible and does not require full drive encryption.  There are others, too.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Jackie
 

I'm not gonna say anything more on this topic, except that I think
it's valuable to talk about to a certain extent. However:
1) There are some apps that allow offline scanning, 1 called Voice
immediately comes to mind. You might need to subscribe to the service,
but it does allow you to take a pic of your screen, sans online
processing, and you'll be able to tell thus if you can enter the code.
That's for an IPhone, but I think other apps exist on Android also.
2) I think MS makes BitLocker, so contacting them regarding its
accessibility might end up being fruitful & helping everyone. In fact,
maybe we should all get on that bandwagon.

Sorry, Mr. Vogel. My bad, I won't say anything more regarding this.

On 5/26/21, Øyvind Lode <oyvind.lode@gmail.com> wrote:
Bitlocker is definitely not accessible with NVDA or any other screen
reader.
My employer insists on bitlocker and I have to estimate when to input
the bitlocker pin code.
It is required to input the bitlocker pin when powering on the laptop
(cold start) or when restarting it.
The bitlocker prompt is consistent though so rarely had issues.
You have to estimate when it is time to enter pin but don't wait too
long because then bitlocker powers down the laptop if no input is
received.
I can't disable this and I can't disable the pin.
This is a company group policy.
So, when it is time enter pin and press enter and if all went well
windows boots up and you hear nvda greeting you when ready to log in
to your windows account.
I've been working from home now over a year with this laptop and never
had issues with bitlocker or needed sighted assistance.
Ok, maybe a couple of times during windows updates since it is slower
to reboot when installing updates and I simply used FaceTime with a
colleague and he told me that the laptop still was installing and
preparing restart.

On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 19:20, JM Casey <jmcasey@teksavvy.com> wrote:

Agreed! Hopefully they are successful in arranging an alternative
solution.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: May 26, 2021 01:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility
issues?



On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:

trying to suggest that an organisation do thigns differently (or use a
different application) is sometimes just a losing battle – they just won’t
budge.

-
No one knows this better than I do, believe me. I worked in the IT
industry for decades, and even after I'd left it I was on "the other side"
of this battle on more than one occasion.

The OP did say this, "However, it is a requirement of the employer to have
such on a home PC used for remote work (HIPAA)." That was after my having
raised concerns about BitLocker. It is still not entirely clear to me
whether the employer is insisting on BitLocker, which is likely, or just
encryption, which could also be the case.

It is at least somewhat problematic for any employer, particularly if
we're talking "gig work," to insist that anything other than what's needed
to meet the requirements of the law be used. That's why I suggest pushing
back, and that doesn't mean belligerent pushing back. Often something
akin to, "BitLocker has proven to cause accessibility issues that can make
it significantly more difficult for me to perform this job and do other
routine tasks of my own. Would it be possible to use {insert chosen
alternative here} for encryption?" Many of the alternatives are
well-known to those who need to know about them for HIPAA compliance
purposes. The answer might surprise.






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locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...>
 

I haven’t tried bit locker.

Kind regards,

Kenny Peyatt jr.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of tim
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Have it turned on and log in is no different then normal. with or without password.

 

On 5/25/2021 2:22 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I mean, if the opening dialogue is the same every time, you shouldn’t really need speech feedback – but it would e a matter of estimating when that dialogue appears, and of course if something unpredictable happens, you wouldn’t neceeessarily know about it. Someone else said they needed sighted help aboug 50% of the time (I think) which is crazy.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: May 25, 2021 02:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi Richard,

 

You will probably have to have a sighted person to turn your computer on for you.

This was in 2015.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Indeed, I am duly concerned about this too.  However, it is a requirement of the employer to have such on a home PC used for remote work (HIPAA).  Relatedly, how does BitLocker impact making a Windows Image backup; using the legacy Windows method?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 08:48 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.

-
All I'll say about this, and it's not accessibility related, is think long and hard about whether you really want or need full drive encryption.  Most of us don't, particularly for our personal computers.

As a repair tech I have seen more incidents where everything was lost and unrecoverable because of "encryption gone wrong" than I care to talk about.  And I'm not talking about ransomware encryption, but intentional drive encryption.  It can be a major stumbling block if recovery is needed.  It can also be an issue if it "burps" in any way.

Give due consideration to whether this is something needed or not.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

 

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

tim
 

The one thing some don't get is the company you work for desides what software they want on there computers. You as a employ have very little say in that. Even when it comes to accessibility.

My job used xp with jfw 9. When current was win7 and jfw 16 at them time. The software would of worked better updated. But, not my box and sysops says what goes on box.



On 5/26/2021 10:20 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 07:32 AM, JM Casey wrote:
the OP stated that his employer leaves him no choice in that matter.
-
I read that as meaning that encryption is required, and nothing more.  I could be wrong.  But were I in this position, I would be pushing back against the need for drive encryption in general and BitLocker in particular.  It's gross overkill if it's strictly client data that you're seeking to encrypt.

There are other alternatives.  And the one I mentioned has now been confirmed as fully accessible and does not require full drive encryption.  There are others, too.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Øyvind Lode
 

Bitlocker is definitely not accessible with NVDA or any other screen reader.
My employer insists on bitlocker and I have to estimate when to input
the bitlocker pin code.
It is required to input the bitlocker pin when powering on the laptop
(cold start) or when restarting it.
The bitlocker prompt is consistent though so rarely had issues.
You have to estimate when it is time to enter pin but don't wait too
long because then bitlocker powers down the laptop if no input is
received.
I can't disable this and I can't disable the pin.
This is a company group policy.
So, when it is time enter pin and press enter and if all went well
windows boots up and you hear nvda greeting you when ready to log in
to your windows account.
I've been working from home now over a year with this laptop and never
had issues with bitlocker or needed sighted assistance.
Ok, maybe a couple of times during windows updates since it is slower
to reboot when installing updates and I simply used FaceTime with a
colleague and he told me that the laptop still was installing and
preparing restart.

On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 19:20, JM Casey <jmcasey@teksavvy.com> wrote:

Agreed! Hopefully they are successful in arranging an alternative solution.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: May 26, 2021 01:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?



On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:

trying to suggest that an organisation do thigns differently (or use a different application) is sometimes just a losing battle – they just won’t budge.

-
No one knows this better than I do, believe me. I worked in the IT industry for decades, and even after I'd left it I was on "the other side" of this battle on more than one occasion.

The OP did say this, "However, it is a requirement of the employer to have such on a home PC used for remote work (HIPAA)." That was after my having raised concerns about BitLocker. It is still not entirely clear to me whether the employer is insisting on BitLocker, which is likely, or just encryption, which could also be the case.

It is at least somewhat problematic for any employer, particularly if we're talking "gig work," to insist that anything other than what's needed to meet the requirements of the law be used. That's why I suggest pushing back, and that doesn't mean belligerent pushing back. Often something akin to, "BitLocker has proven to cause accessibility issues that can make it significantly more difficult for me to perform this job and do other routine tasks of my own. Would it be possible to use {insert chosen alternative here} for encryption?" Many of the alternatives are well-known to those who need to know about them for HIPAA compliance purposes. The answer might surprise.



locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

JM Casey
 

Agreed! Hopefully they are successful in arranging an alternative solution.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: May 26, 2021 01:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:

trying to suggest that an organisation do thigns differently (or use a different application) is sometimes just a losing battle – they just won’t budge.

-
No one knows this better than I do, believe me.  I worked in the IT industry for decades, and even after I'd left it I was on "the other side" of this battle on more than one occasion.

The OP did say this, "However, it is a requirement of the employer to have such on a home PC used for remote work (HIPAA)."  That was after my having raised concerns about BitLocker.  It is still not entirely clear to me whether the employer is insisting on BitLocker, which is likely, or just encryption, which could also be the case.

It is at least somewhat problematic for any employer, particularly if we're talking "gig work," to insist that anything other than what's needed to meet the requirements of the law be used.  That's why I suggest pushing back, and that doesn't mean belligerent pushing back.  Often something akin to, "BitLocker has proven to cause accessibility issues that can make it significantly more difficult for me to perform this job and do other routine tasks of my own.  Would it be possible to use {insert chosen alternative here} for encryption?"  Many of the alternatives are well-known to those who need to know about them for HIPAA compliance purposes.  The answer might surprise.
 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:
trying to suggest that an organisation do thigns differently (or use a different application) is sometimes just a losing battle – they just won’t budge.
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No one knows this better than I do, believe me.  I worked in the IT industry for decades, and even after I'd left it I was on "the other side" of this battle on more than one occasion.

The OP did say this, "However, it is a requirement of the employer to have such on a home PC used for remote work (HIPAA)."  That was after my having raised concerns about BitLocker.  It is still not entirely clear to me whether the employer is insisting on BitLocker, which is likely, or just encryption, which could also be the case.

It is at least somewhat problematic for any employer, particularly if we're talking "gig work," to insist that anything other than what's needed to meet the requirements of the law be used.  That's why I suggest pushing back, and that doesn't mean belligerent pushing back.  Often something akin to, "BitLocker has proven to cause accessibility issues that can make it significantly more difficult for me to perform this job and do other routine tasks of my own.  Would it be possible to use {insert chosen alternative here} for encryption?"  Many of the alternatives are well-known to those who need to know about them for HIPAA compliance purposes.  The answer might surprise.
 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

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locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

JM Casey
 

Yeah, I mean it depends on the employer – they said they were working from home but I dnot’ remember if it was stated whether this was their personal pc or a work computer. Even working at the service desk, tryign to suggest that an organisation do thigns differently (or use a different application) is sometimes just a losing battle – they just won’t budge. But you never know

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: May 26, 2021 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 07:32 AM, JM Casey wrote:

the OP stated that his employer leaves him no choice in that matter.

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I read that as meaning that encryption is required, and nothing more.  I could be wrong.  But were I in this position, I would be pushing back against the need for drive encryption in general and BitLocker in particular.  It's gross overkill if it's strictly client data that you're seeking to encrypt.

There are other alternatives.  And the one I mentioned has now been confirmed as fully accessible and does not require full drive encryption.  There are others, too.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked History with Jarte and NVDA

David Russell
 

Hello Group,

Again, thanks to you who responded to my topic here about Jarte, NVDA
and relevant concerns.

I will go with Jarte having had past experience with it, and glad you
elucidated on what it means that its producers have it in a "twilight"
sort of existence. My main purpose with Jarte will be to do fiction
writing and article content writing, submission of work to various
outlets for consideration.
By the way, finding reviews via Google of word processing programs
tailored to the vision impaired seems limited on my end.

Best,

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David C. Russell, Author


locked Re: History with Jarte and NVDA

 

This topic is now locked, as I think anything and everything about Jarte that can be covered in reference to accessibility with NVDA has.

It's also now unsupported software that one uses at one's own risk.  And I'm not trying to imply that there is any security risk, just that if something occurs with Windows that breaks Jarte it will remain broken.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


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On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 11:36 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Actually jarte just came out with a new update a few months ago.
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Sarah, their own website, https://www.jarte.com/, specifically, https://www.jarte.com/store.html , states:  Jarte Plus is now free and can be downloaded from the download page

Their support page reads, in its entirety:  Support is no longer provided for Jarte. No further development of the Jarte program is expected.

If you are a Jarte Plus customer who needs a new download link for Jarte Plus then please note that Jarte Plus is now freely available to everyone and can be downloaded from the Download page.

See the Jarte Help document for any other help you may need.

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If you've got something newer than Version 6.2 then it's not the Jarte that most of us think of when Jarte is mentioned.  And that terminal (as in final) version came out in early 2018.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


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Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually you can still buy jarte to auto correct stuff when you type or spell check. I have not bought it as of yet, but I have edited the ini file to heavily customize the heck out of the program to make it fit my needs. You can even make it sound like a typewriter which helps me actually.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] RE History with Jarte and NVDA

Hello NVDA Group,

To Gene, David, and others interested.

Gene, Jarte was a 'nimble' word processor said to be basic and not have all the bells and whistles found on MS Word. I believe only
Jarte+ is available for free, or at its cost of under twenty-five US
dollars. Also, the plus version offers spelling error features via the screen reader mode, and again mimics WordPad. That answers your question of what I ant it to do for a significant savings: act like MS Word for a savings of over 50 percent.

The issue of the product no longer being supported is concerning.
Should this raise 'flags' and what might those be?

To David, a friend suggested LibreOffice, too. I note from doing a Google search, there were issues in 2019 with this program repeating words, skipping text, and perhaps spellcheck. I did pick up on the producers being passionate from what I read by them. As a writer, I am reliant on software working well and together. These past issues were said to occur between LibreOffice and either Jaws or NVDA. If you can allay my concerns to their existence, I will give LibreOffice strong consideration as it is still active!
I have files on a thumb drive produced in the 2013 version of MS Word.
Jarte will read those. Can one expect the same from LibreOffice?

Excuse me for my wordiness, but I have found that two or more heads on a matter may be better than one.. Thanks!

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David C. Russell, Author


On using NVDA development snapshots (alpha), beta, or release candidates #adminnotice

 

Given what's going on now, and will almost certainly go on again, I feel that this message is really necessary at the moment.  Although focused on NVDA, the principles apply to any use of alpha, beta, or release candidate software from anyone.

Joseph Lee eloquently wrote:  Another huge reminder: betas are meant to gather feedback before software goes live. Things can break, including add-ons not working properly or not even running at all, so please don’t panic.

The part of this that I wish to emphasize:  Users of alpha, beta, and release candidate software are expected to report issues as part of the deal.  This software is not made available so that random users can "get a sneak peek," but in an effort to actually test it and see what does and does not work.  The earlier you are in the process, the more issues you should expect, and the more work you should expect to undertake to report them.

Alpha and development snapshot software is a work in progress.  Your feedback and bug reports when you hit a bump are a part of both the work and the ability to make progress.  Almost anyone using alpha software knows this, and proceeds accordingly, providing feedback for virtually every bump they encounter, even if that feedback is only adding a comment to an existing report of a sort of "me too" nature so that the extent of the issue can be framed.

But the above really seems to get lost when it comes to beta and release candidate software, and it can't and shouldn't.  Using pre-release software puts obligations on those that use it to make reports of issues to "iron out the kinks" and further development.  That's the very reason you are being invited to use it.

With what's going on right now, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that there are going to be some breakages, particularly in relationship to add-on compatibility, most of which can be easily fixed once identified.  And that's where Joseph's "don't panic" comes into play.

If you hit an add-on incompatibility, and it's not resolved within 24-48 hours, then I'd report it.  I suspect that there are going to be a number of these "quick fix" type compatibility issues so this is one of the rare occasions where having tons of reports about the same issue likely wouldn't be helpful.  If you're hitting other issues with NVDA itself, or an add-on that is compatible with 2021.1 but not working correctly, then those should be reported immediately.  Remember that NVDA issues are reported via GitHub while Add-On issues are reported to their respective developers (some of whom are using GitHub to manage their add-on projects, some of whom are not, so dropping an e-mail is a good first step).

But if you are using pre-production software, part of the deal is that you're a tester and you have an obligation to report issues as you find them.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: checklist to perform web accessibility test with NVDA

 

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 04:16 AM, Sascha Cowley wrote:
Again, I know and agree with all of this; I was just responding to the question asked.
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Sometimes, going beyond "responding to the question asked" is a value-added service when you have background the questioners don't.  I think that this is what we're all trying to do, in one way or another, at this point.

The original question is really ill-posed.  And mentioning why, which you, I, and several others have done, serves a bigger purpose than just trying to answer it as posed.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 07:32 AM, JM Casey wrote:
the OP stated that his employer leaves him no choice in that matter.
-
I read that as meaning that encryption is required, and nothing more.  I could be wrong.  But were I in this position, I would be pushing back against the need for drive encryption in general and BitLocker in particular.  It's gross overkill if it's strictly client data that you're seeking to encrypt.

There are other alternatives.  And the one I mentioned has now been confirmed as fully accessible and does not require full drive encryption.  There are others, too.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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