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Re: Is Oracle Data Management screen-reader accessible?

Arlene
 

She tried to phone that company. They sent her to Jaws, Jaws sent her to the company that uses Oracle and Oracle sent her back to Jaws. She then called the company that she tried to apply for and they tested my computer for the third time and it failed its test. The guy was a drip. She told him that computer failed that test 2 other times. He then tested it again and it failed. Even though my friend told him it went in one ear and out the other. I’ll forward her this message. Some companies I tell you! When it comes to blind users They don’t know or do not want to know what a talking screen reader is. If you get the drift! Lol. 

 

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From: Dave Grossoehme
Sent: May 26, 2021 2:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is Oracle Data Management screen-reader accessible?

 

Hi:  Does your friend know the name of the Oracle Program?  She could try to check with Oracle if she has this information.  If not, it might be helpful to check with some of the blind programming list.

Dave

 

On 5/24/2021 3:57 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well I wouldn't know,  but oracle stuff does use java.

So in theory if access bridge is active in windows and I think nvda does this anyway, it should work.

There are 2 types, java runtime which is 8. something then there is java 10 up.

The software may have java included with it so it may in fact work.

On the other side, assuming this friend is not doing any administrating of the thing and maybe doesn't have to interact with the software itself then it may be a web based application so it may just run like that.

 

Java apps are generally accessible as long as they don't use some odd library or something.

Java is used in almost everything so it would be a question of interface.

As for the software itself, not sure but even if its totally inaccessible there is probably a frontend that is.

Thats either via ms access, or the web, or some frontend access app that you can use etc.

Of course if she needs physical access to the software itself its always a bit harder.

But I have never used oracle database software and probably won't ever do so.

But chances are if its got shortcut keys then as long as the screens read and its got a menu or ribbon it can be used.

Even if that doesn't happen if the dialogs work then you could probably access it with keyboard shortcuts.

Even if thats still a no go if this job doesn't require direct interaction with either another database or a frontend, maybe it will accept other databases or file types so maybe excell.

 

Excell is still a dog I tried it it is however accessible to a point.

Its more the understanding on how to use it and I never ever got the hang of it though this could have been due to poor instruction rather than anything else.

 

 

 

On 25/05/2021 7:01 am, Arlene wrote:

Here is the question a friend asked about a job she’s applying for. Here’s the e-mail with the correct spelling.

Hello, all.

I’m seeking work with t tech as a customer service representative. They use oracle data management software. Is this accessible with either jaws or N V D a? Thanks so much and have a great day. This person called Freedom Scientific and they told her to call the Oracle company. I don’t think they have an idea what Jaws or any screen reader is. Would NVDA work with it?

 

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Re: Is Oracle Data Management screen-reader accessible?

Dave Grossoehme
 

Hi:  Does your friend know the name of the Oracle Program?  She could try to check with Oracle if she has this information.  If not, it might be helpful to check with some of the blind programming list.

Dave


On 5/24/2021 3:57 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well I wouldn't know,  but oracle stuff does use java.

So in theory if access bridge is active in windows and I think nvda does this anyway, it should work.

There are 2 types, java runtime which is 8. something then there is java 10 up.

The software may have java included with it so it may in fact work.

On the other side, assuming this friend is not doing any administrating of the thing and maybe doesn't have to interact with the software itself then it may be a web based application so it may just run like that.


Java apps are generally accessible as long as they don't use some odd library or something.

Java is used in almost everything so it would be a question of interface.

As for the software itself, not sure but even if its totally inaccessible there is probably a frontend that is.

Thats either via ms access, or the web, or some frontend access app that you can use etc.

Of course if she needs physical access to the software itself its always a bit harder.

But I have never used oracle database software and probably won't ever do so.

But chances are if its got shortcut keys then as long as the screens read and its got a menu or ribbon it can be used.

Even if that doesn't happen if the dialogs work then you could probably access it with keyboard shortcuts.

Even if thats still a no go if this job doesn't require direct interaction with either another database or a frontend, maybe it will accept other databases or file types so maybe excell.


Excell is still a dog I tried it it is however accessible to a point.

Its more the understanding on how to use it and I never ever got the hang of it though this could have been due to poor instruction rather than anything else.




On 25/05/2021 7:01 am, Arlene wrote:

Here is the question a friend asked about a job she’s applying for. Here’s the e-mail with the correct spelling.

Hello, all.

I’m seeking work with t tech as a customer service representative. They use oracle data management software. Is this accessible with either jaws or N V D a? Thanks so much and have a great day. This person called Freedom Scientific and they told her to call the Oracle company. I don’t think they have an idea what Jaws or any screen reader is. Would NVDA work with it?

 

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goldwave 655

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
 

Just to advise nvda users that goldwave 655 works really with nvda.

The goldwave addon is really helpful.

Well done nvda.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 


Re: NVDA and the insert key

Crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
 

That's awefully odd. 




On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 11:20, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:

Just curious as to why the insert/NVDA key does not work during some remote sessions.
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Re: NVDARemote

Crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
 

I saw that link on twitter yesterday. I should have posted it. 




On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 15:19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Well since we are on the subject of nvda remote, I don't have the link here but according to various twitter feeds and other groups, there is an ios server or client for nvda remote in test phase.


NVDA and the insert key

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Just curious as to why the insert/NVDA key does not work during some remote sessions.
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Re: NVDARemote

 

Well since we are on the subject of nvda remote, I don't have the link here but according to various twitter feeds and other groups, there is an ios server or client for nvda remote in test phase.

I am unsure how that would work, but the idea you could control your nvda and windows device with a device the size of an old style notebook sure is scarey.


On 27/05/2021 7:13 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Likelihoods are, at the moment, no, but I haven't downloaded NVDA Remote recently nor the NVDA 2021.1 beta yet, either.  There's nothing I can find indicating a 2021.1 compatible version has as yet appeared.

Keep an eye on the 

NVDA Remote Support

  page.  I've got to believe that all add-on developers are going to be pushed to update their respective pages when a 2021.1 compatible version hits the streets since nothing is going to be presumed to be compatible with 2021.1.
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Re: NVDARemote

 

Likelihoods are, at the moment, no, but I haven't downloaded NVDA Remote recently nor the NVDA 2021.1 beta yet, either.  There's nothing I can find indicating a 2021.1 compatible version has as yet appeared.

Keep an eye on the 

NVDA Remote Support

  page.  I've got to believe that all add-on developers are going to be pushed to update their respective pages when a 2021.1 compatible version hits the streets since nothing is going to be presumed to be compatible with 2021.1.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

I am now locking the topic.  This has been a valuable discussion, and about something seldom discussed in general, so I've allowed it to go on well-outside the group rules as a special exception.

Pretty much all the territory has been covered.

If any additional discussion of BitLocker itself is needed, as we've established it's accessibility profile, it should occur on the Chat Subgroup or elsewhere:

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locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

As an addition to the reply I just posted, I am willing to take under advisement that due to covid companies had to jump to using whatever they had on hand and that could be personal computers, however if this is the case it really can't stay like that.

I do realise with the chip shortages that that may not be cost effective for the company right now especially if its a short term contract but its going to have to stop some point.



On 27/05/2021 5:56 am, tim wrote:

I work at home for one of my jobs, and that computer is mine. However, the company had there sysop install there software and turn bitlocker on for that box. now everything on that box is recorded for legal purposes and only used for that job. The contracts i signed state I can't upgrade or install any software without permission from them and sysop.


On 5/26/2021 12:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Yeah, I mean it depends on the employer – they said they were working from home but I dnot’ remember if it was stated whether this was their personal pc or a work computer. Even working at the service desk, tryign to suggest that an organisation do thigns differently (or use a different application) is sometimes just a losing battle – they just won’t budge. But you never know

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: May 26, 2021 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 07:32 AM, JM Casey wrote:

the OP stated that his employer leaves him no choice in that matter.

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I read that as meaning that encryption is required, and nothing more.  I could be wrong.  But were I in this position, I would be pushing back against the need for drive encryption in general and BitLocker in particular.  It's gross overkill if it's strictly client data that you're seeking to encrypt.

There are other alternatives.  And the one I mentioned has now been confirmed as fully accessible and does not require full drive encryption.  There are others, too.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hmmm thats a policy for work systems.

However I am not sure about a home system.

I'd strongly be against having restrictions on my own personal system.

So if that is the case, I'd either ask the company to get me a laptop for the tasks I need for and have that logged and recorded, or connect me to a vm on that system or have me work on their server from my system and have it recorded.

Its how some family have done this via a remote session.

Now granted I have had this on a system my dad owns which was used for dule purposes.

Things needed to be in the right configuration, however if this is your system and your software, I am unsure how much control the company legally has over it.

You certainly can update your software if you own it, they shouldn'tbe able to moniter your software, their software is their  problem and you shouldn't need to update that I guess.

However, if they need to log everything I'd make them buy you a laptop for them to work with their stuff.

Then you can reformat your system and upgrade it or whatever to what  you want.

I'd never get in a contract like that.

My brother has such a contract and so do a few members of the family, in those cases the company previded them with a system or gave them remote access to a server with their software and system configurations.

But if this is on your own personal computer I'd varify how much of what you tell us can legally be done.

Now this assumes they didn't buy the entire thing or that you don't in fact have a separate system for personal and work which would make sence.

But if this is your own system and previding they didn't pay for it and the os, your reader, and your office product or whatever you used or whatever I doubt that they can do much if you do what you want.

Now if you are using the work laptop for personal stuff I suggest you don't and either get another system or at least something for personal work.

At least thats how I understand it.




On 27/05/2021 5:56 am, tim wrote:

I work at home for one of my jobs, and that computer is mine. However, the company had there sysop install there software and turn bitlocker on for that box. now everything on that box is recorded for legal purposes and only used for that job. The contracts i signed state I can't upgrade or install any software without permission from them and sysop.


On 5/26/2021 12:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Yeah, I mean it depends on the employer – they said they were working from home but I dnot’ remember if it was stated whether this was their personal pc or a work computer. Even working at the service desk, tryign to suggest that an organisation do thigns differently (or use a different application) is sometimes just a losing battle – they just won’t budge. But you never know

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: May 26, 2021 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 07:32 AM, JM Casey wrote:

the OP stated that his employer leaves him no choice in that matter.

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I read that as meaning that encryption is required, and nothing more.  I could be wrong.  But were I in this position, I would be pushing back against the need for drive encryption in general and BitLocker in particular.  It's gross overkill if it's strictly client data that you're seeking to encrypt.

There are other alternatives.  And the one I mentioned has now been confirmed as fully accessible and does not require full drive encryption.  There are others, too.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 02:46 PM, tim wrote:
Not sure where your seeing that password, because I now have it on 2 computers and never see password at log on except for windows.
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I am soon going to lock this topic, but you do need to check if you have Fast Startup enabled (Control Panel, Power Options, Change what the power button does, and then activate the link in the dialog for settings not currently accessible).  I'm quite willing to bet that Fast Startup is checked.

If it is, that would mean that unless you did a Restart intentionally, or did a hard shutdown via the power button, you're not really shutting down.  Fast Startup is a special form of hibernation, so you don't get prompted in the same way you do on a cold restart.
 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: IE Mode in MS-Edge for sites that only work with IE

 

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 02:44 PM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:
What is being done with that web site?
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Dave,

What follows is not meant as a personal attack, but a wake-up call from me to you:  How would I know, or virtually anyone here know?

This is the perfect example of where going to the source, the Library of Congress, is necessary.  They may not even be aware of the issues you're currently having.  And if they're not aware of the impending death of IE, the more communications of concern regarding using their website going forward that they get the more likely that necessary change will be made.

You need to rattle their cage.  Raise the issue with the people responsible.

They have a webpage, accessible directly from the main page, that's focused on accessibility and that has the e-mail address for their ADA Coordinator listed:  https://loc.gov/accessibility/ 
There's also a more general Contact page:  https://loc.gov/contact/ 
with a Website and Applications Comments link on it.

Use both of these.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

tim
 

Not sure where your seeing that password, because I now have it on 2 computers and never see password at log on except for windows.

On 5/26/2021 2:38 PM, Louis Maher wrote:

Hello Richard,

 

The BitLocker password is a completely separate password.  It does not have any relationship to the Microsoft password.  The problem is that the BitLocker dialog runs at power-on before most of your operating system is loaded.  This is why it has no accessibility.  In the past, Microsoft has said that there would have to be a new industry standard to account for the changes needed to make BitLocker accessible.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi Louis

 

Thanks for your below.  So, I understand from your below that the BitLocker dialogue appears only upon a “cold” power-on action, not a “warm” restart.  That is good news for me since I rarely turn-off my PC.  One more thing about your below, when you say that you have to enter your “BitLocker” password is that the same as your standard Windows sign-in password entered normally from the Windows sign-in screen?  Of course, here I am not speaking of the “64 digit recovery password” needed when you fail at a logon after three attempts.

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hello Richard,

 

I used to get the BitLocker dialog after an actual cold start by pressing the power button.

 

As I remember, you were given three chances to get your BitLocker password correct.  After your third attempt, another dialog appeared asking you to enter a 64-digit recovery password which was given you when BitLocker was originally installed.  Please note that this dialog is also completely inaccessible. 

 

If that is not successful, you have to purchase a new hard drive.

 

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi Louis!

 

Interesting.  When you say “power on,” does that mean 1) from a restart a.k.a. “soft boot” or 2) an actual cold start by pressing the power button a.k.a. “hard boot” - or both?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hello Richard,

 

I last used bitLocker in 2015.  At that time, bitLocker would ask the sighted for a power on password.  This dialog was completely inaccessible to the blind.  After about 30 seconds, I would enter my bitLocker  power-on password and hope that the dialog box was open.  (Note if the computer was doing updates, then this strategy would fail.) If I entered an incorrect password, the resulting error dialog was also in accessible.  After waiting ten minutes or so, if the computer had not reached the Microsoft account login keyword, I would reboot the machine and try again.  Usually I would find a kind sighted person to help me turn on my computer.  I had to get a sighted person to turn on my computer about 50% of the time.  Microsoft said that they could not make the Bit Locker dialog accessible because Bit Locker runs early in the power-on cycle.

 

Note, using bitLocker was my employer’s requirement.

 

BitLocker encrypts your hard drive and is probably a good idea.

 

I would be interested if there has been any bitLocker progress since 2015.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi!

 

I have a PC running Windows 10 Pro 64-bit and NVDA 2020.4.  Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.  Will doing so trigger any accessibility issues?

 

Thanks,

Richard


Re: IE Mode in MS-Edge for sites that only work with IE

Dave Grossoehme
 

Hi:  One site that I have had problems with and others have questioned is the Library of Congress's web site.  What is being done with that web site?

Dave


On 5/24/2021 10:43 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
What follows is not NVDA related, but given the amount of concern I'm seeing expressed about the demise of IE11 next June I consider the following to be a public service announcement.  Any in-depth discussion regarding IE Mode in Edge should occur on the Chat Subgroup.

I was concerned for users of Windows 10 Home because all of the official documentation I could find regarding IE Mode for Edge indicated it had to be enabled via Group Policy Editor, which Windows 10 Home doesn't have, and on a site by site basis.

It appears that for Windows 10 Home users (and I haven't checked on my Pro machine yet) there is an option in MS-Edge settings to allow you to turn on IE Mode in Edge.  Another tech I know posted the following, and it checks out:

If they load "edge://settings/defaultBrowser" that's bring them to the IE mode config page. On mine it's got IE mode enabled by default on pages that require it but had to toggle reload webpage on if it needs IE to on.

I had the exact same default configuration under Windows 10, Version 21H1, in Edge.  It appears to make sense to throw that toggle related to allowing reloading on if you do routinely need to access a site, or several sites, that are now IE-bound and are likely to remain so.  And I'd advise you to do it and try it out, now, as it may end up putting your minds at ease.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


NVDARemote

Jim Noseworthy
 

Hi Folks:

 

Is there a remote ad-on available for the new NVDA beta?

 

Thanks all over the place.

 

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Brian!

 

Thanks for your below.  I may take this up on the Windows 10 user group, but since I am trying to transition away from JAWS to NVDA I thought to ask it here.  I recognize that the Windows 10 list is not screen reader specific, but most of the people there seem to use JAWS whereas this list is NVDA specific.  Please indulge me a bit further.  I am almost done.

 

About moving away from the Windows 7 legacy backup method, indeed I know about its pending end-of-life and agree with you that moving to something else is advised.  Once I find a good, accessible, free solution I intend to do just that.  For now, though, I have bigger fish to fry.  No doubt, you can expect many questions coming from me about that “solution” in the near future!

 

Best,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Richard,

           I would suggest you might want to take these questions up on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group.  There are likely to be more folks who are actively using Bitlocker there, and can definitively answer your questions.  This really is out-of-scope for the NVDA group.

           My final word with regard to backup is do not use the legacy Backup & Restore (Windows 7) feature.  Microsoft deprecated the core component of that utility all the way back at Version 1709.  That means that it, like IE, could be pulled at any time of Microsoft's choosing.  Their official statement back then was to choose and use a third-party utility.  Microsoft Announcement of Deprecated Features, including SIB [Backup and Restore (Windows 7), V1709]
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Louis Maher
 

Hello Richard,

 

The BitLocker password is a completely separate password.  It does not have any relationship to the Microsoft password.  The problem is that the BitLocker dialog runs at power-on before most of your operating system is loaded.  This is why it has no accessibility.  In the past, Microsoft has said that there would have to be a new industry standard to account for the changes needed to make BitLocker accessible.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi Louis

 

Thanks for your below.  So, I understand from your below that the BitLocker dialogue appears only upon a “cold” power-on action, not a “warm” restart.  That is good news for me since I rarely turn-off my PC.  One more thing about your below, when you say that you have to enter your “BitLocker” password is that the same as your standard Windows sign-in password entered normally from the Windows sign-in screen?  Of course, here I am not speaking of the “64 digit recovery password” needed when you fail at a logon after three attempts.

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hello Richard,

 

I used to get the BitLocker dialog after an actual cold start by pressing the power button.

 

As I remember, you were given three chances to get your BitLocker password correct.  After your third attempt, another dialog appeared asking you to enter a 64-digit recovery password which was given you when BitLocker was originally installed.  Please note that this dialog is also completely inaccessible. 

 

If that is not successful, you have to purchase a new hard drive.

 

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi Louis!

 

Interesting.  When you say “power on,” does that mean 1) from a restart a.k.a. “soft boot” or 2) an actual cold start by pressing the power button a.k.a. “hard boot” - or both?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hello Richard,

 

I last used bitLocker in 2015.  At that time, bitLocker would ask the sighted for a power on password.  This dialog was completely inaccessible to the blind.  After about 30 seconds, I would enter my bitLocker  power-on password and hope that the dialog box was open.  (Note if the computer was doing updates, then this strategy would fail.) If I entered an incorrect password, the resulting error dialog was also in accessible.  After waiting ten minutes or so, if the computer had not reached the Microsoft account login keyword, I would reboot the machine and try again.  Usually I would find a kind sighted person to help me turn on my computer.  I had to get a sighted person to turn on my computer about 50% of the time.  Microsoft said that they could not make the Bit Locker dialog accessible because Bit Locker runs early in the power-on cycle.

 

Note, using bitLocker was my employer’s requirement.

 

BitLocker encrypts your hard drive and is probably a good idea.

 

I would be interested if there has been any bitLocker progress since 2015.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi!

 

I have a PC running Windows 10 Pro 64-bit and NVDA 2020.4.  Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.  Will doing so trigger any accessibility issues?

 

Thanks,

Richard


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On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 01:56 PM, tim wrote:
The contracts i signed state I can't upgrade or install any software without permission from them and sysop.
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Yes, and?

This is again one of those things that's common practice, but not universal practice.

You simply cannot presume that what your company did is what all companies require.  You ask rather than just presuming.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Louis

 

Thanks for your below.  So, I understand from your below that the BitLocker dialogue appears only upon a “cold” power-on action, not a “warm” restart.  That is good news for me since I rarely turn-off my PC.  One more thing about your below, when you say that you have to enter your “BitLocker” password is that the same as your standard Windows sign-in password entered normally from the Windows sign-in screen?  Of course, here I am not speaking of the “64 digit recovery password” needed when you fail at a logon after three attempts.

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hello Richard,

 

I used to get the BitLocker dialog after an actual cold start by pressing the power button.

 

As I remember, you were given three chances to get your BitLocker password correct.  After your third attempt, another dialog appeared asking you to enter a 64-digit recovery password which was given you when BitLocker was originally installed.  Please note that this dialog is also completely inaccessible. 

 

If that is not successful, you have to purchase a new hard drive.

 

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi Louis!

 

Interesting.  When you say “power on,” does that mean 1) from a restart a.k.a. “soft boot” or 2) an actual cold start by pressing the power button a.k.a. “hard boot” - or both?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hello Richard,

 

I last used bitLocker in 2015.  At that time, bitLocker would ask the sighted for a power on password.  This dialog was completely inaccessible to the blind.  After about 30 seconds, I would enter my bitLocker  power-on password and hope that the dialog box was open.  (Note if the computer was doing updates, then this strategy would fail.) If I entered an incorrect password, the resulting error dialog was also in accessible.  After waiting ten minutes or so, if the computer had not reached the Microsoft account login keyword, I would reboot the machine and try again.  Usually I would find a kind sighted person to help me turn on my computer.  I had to get a sighted person to turn on my computer about 50% of the time.  Microsoft said that they could not make the Bit Locker dialog accessible because Bit Locker runs early in the power-on cycle.

 

Note, using bitLocker was my employer’s requirement.

 

BitLocker encrypts your hard drive and is probably a good idea.

 

I would be interested if there has been any bitLocker progress since 2015.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi!

 

I have a PC running Windows 10 Pro 64-bit and NVDA 2020.4.  Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.  Will doing so trigger any accessibility issues?

 

Thanks,

Richard

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