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locked Re: Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com ... But yes it is there for anybody to go grab and install and use. 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 10:06 AM, tim wrote:
If my clients can not wait until I get to the tools I need to fix them. Then they can find another tech!
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We (and I include me in that we) are getting rather away from the original topic and discussing meta-issues, which I suggest we stop doing other than when absolutely necessary.

With the above being said, and with my own intention to try to abide by it going forward, you've hit the nail on the head.  There really is a right way and a wrong way (however convenient it might seem) to handle technical issues.  "On the fly" is very seldom "the right way."

None of that has anything to do, really, with developing the capability of using NVDARemote via non-Windows platforms.  I feel somewhat responsible for leading this whole topic astray by even trying to delve into what perceived need(s) such was intended to address.  That was a bit meta on its own.

But you've raised a meta-issue that really needs to be considered when remote access of any type is being considered for adding into the mix, and that's the security problems it can (not always does, but can) bring with it and whether those are actually "worth it."  But only the actual parties involved can make those determinations, but they're often not made as an informed decision but in blissful ignorance.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

tim
 

Only if your a fool to give support without the tools you really need and a remote on phone don't get it.

It was a fool that wanted that simpleness and a hacker made them pay for there it10ts! That move shut down a major pipeline.

If my clients can not wait until I get to the tools I need to fix them. Then they can find another tech! I don't do work that needs another tech to clean up.


On 5/28/2021 9:35 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 07:39 AM, Mallard wrote:
I mean... Ever heard of providing support while on a train or the like, thus unlikely ot have a computer handy?


Sighted people can do that. I'd love to think that blind people will be able to do that too.
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Other than by talking phone, no, not really.  I seldom see techs doing anything "heavy duty" remotely if not seated in front of a machine where all the tools they use are at their disposal or are actually sitting in front of "the patient."

I'd certainly not try to provide (sighted) remote support using my smartphone while traveling other than to talk someone through what they could try as DIY troubleshooting.  I can't do anything significant without a real keyboard.  I doubt I'm alone in being someone who does not have such on them, even in folding Bluetooth format, at all times.

Note well, all of the above is to address the misconception that sighted techs are routinely providing the kind of remote support that would typically require a computer and keyboard while out and about with only their smartphones.  I've never once encountered that.  That scenario is, in my experience and observation, about as realistic as most of the computer hacking in entertainment where everyone gets in with about 5 second's effort.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: nvda and latest windows update

 

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 09:57 AM, tim wrote:
Is this with new NVDA out or previous version?
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Excellent question.  And another opportunity to reiterate why it is so important to identify the actual versions on all things involved including the software itself, the add-on (if being discussed), and the version and build, including dot number, for Windows 10.

"The latest" is really meaningless, particularly in regard to Windows, in the age of update rollouts that occur in waves.  It is not at all uncommon for different build dot numbers to be out there concurrently, but very often different versions entirely, the latter for months at a time.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: nvda and latest windows update

tim
 

Is this with new NVDA out or prevouse version? Because not seeing it with 2020.4

On 5/28/2021 4:48 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

This is not a critical showstopper but it appears after the latest optional, for some reason nvda no longer can read some events.

That can include things like the time and some things like network devices, its not a big issue but if you depend on nvda to read the clock from systray you may want to leave this update alone.

Nvda reports uia and garbage errors with virtual buffers but the log doesn't always generate.

You can fix this briefly by restarting nvda but its almost like some events are not beeing able to be read in realtime or something.

One of the fixes with this latest update is to change some reader issues in general with some uia conditions, and I am sure its fixed something.

However some live updateable things are no longer updating.






Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 07:39 AM, Mallard wrote:
I mean... Ever heard of providing support while on a train or the like, thus unlikely ot have a computer handy?


Sighted people can do that. I'd love to think that blind people will be able to do that too.
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Other than by talking phone, no, not really.  I seldom see techs doing anything "heavy duty" remotely if not seated in front of a machine where all the tools they use are at their disposal or are actually sitting in front of "the patient."

I'd certainly not try to provide (sighted) remote support using my smartphone while traveling other than to talk someone through what they could try as DIY troubleshooting.  I can't do anything significant without a real keyboard.  I doubt I'm alone in being someone who does not have such on them, even in folding Bluetooth format, at all times.

Note well, all of the above is to address the misconception that sighted techs are routinely providing the kind of remote support that would typically require a computer and keyboard while out and about with only their smartphones.  I've never once encountered that.  That scenario is, in my experience and observation, about as realistic as most of the computer hacking in entertainment where everyone gets in with about 5 second's effort.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Simone Dal Maso
 

Well, I don't know if this app will become a paied app or free.
At this stage, the app works only with an external keyboard, connected via bluetooth.
There are still some bugs, but it promises well.

Il 28/05/2021 13:39, Mallard ha scritto:
Ever heard of providing support while on mobility? I mean... Ever heard of providing support while on a train or the like, thus unlikely ot have a computer handy?
Sighted people can do that. I'd love to think that blind people will be able to do that too.
I have an Android device; not Ios, but blessed be the dev of such an app!
Ciao,
Ollie
On 28/05/2021 00:10, William James wrote:

You are posing some very good questions on this topic.  I hope the developer of this app will step in and clarify his/her position on why they developed this app.

One thing I can definitely say: The possibilities are endless!  Where there’s a will, there’s a way.  No pun intended.

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*From: *Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:05 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 05:53 PM, William James wrote:

    A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard
    with the iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.

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The question then becomes:  How likely is such a scenario? Even more important:  How likely is it that anyone who would be willing and able to work with NVDA Remote will not have the native PC platform to do it with?

As I said, though, I have no skin in this game.  I'm just trying to understand the rationale.  Software in general is a major investment in time and money, and as a result it usually doesn't get developed unless there is an identified need first.
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Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

/I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are./

      ~ Brian Vogel


Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode

Gene
 

It isn’t clear what you are asking about.  Are you asking about navigating using what in JAWS would be called the PC cursor?  You may be asking about the Internet and browse mode but that should be clarified. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode
 

Hi can someone explain to me what is the commands to toggle on or off the NVDA’s normal navigation mode please?

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Ever heard of providing support while on mobility? I mean... Ever heard of providing support while on a train or the like, thus unlikely ot have a computer handy?


Sighted people can do that. I'd love to think that blind people will be able to do that too.


I have an Android device; not Ios, but blessed be the dev of such an app!


Ciao,

Ollie

On 28/05/2021 00:10, William James wrote:

You are posing some very good questions on this topic.  I hope the developer of this app will step in and clarify his/her position on why they developed this app.

One thing I can definitely say: The possibilities are endless!  Where there’s a will, there’s a way.  No pun intended.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:05 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 05:53 PM, William James wrote:

A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard
with the iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.

-
The question then becomes:  How likely is such a scenario? Even more important:  How likely is it that anyone who would be willing and able to work with NVDA Remote will not have the native PC platform to do it with?

As I said, though, I have no skin in this game.  I'm just trying to understand the rationale.  Software in general is a major investment in time and money, and as a result it usually doesn't get developed unless there is an identified need first.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

/I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are./

      ~ Brian Vogel


Re: nvda and latest windows update

 

Hi,
STR (steps to reproduce) please, as it falls under my area of research (I've been curious about impact of this change myself).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and latest windows update

Hi.

This is not a critical showstopper but it appears after the latest optional, for some reason nvda no longer can read some events.

That can include things like the time and some things like network devices, its not a big issue but if you depend on nvda to read the clock from systray you may want to leave this update alone.

Nvda reports uia and garbage errors with virtual buffers but the log doesn't always generate.

You can fix this briefly by restarting nvda but its almost like some events are not beeing able to be read in realtime or something.

One of the fixes with this latest update is to change some reader issues in general with some uia conditions, and I am sure its fixed something.

However some live updateable things are no longer updating.


nvda and latest windows update

 

Hi.

This is not a critical showstopper but it appears after the latest optional, for some reason nvda no longer can read some events.

That can include things like the time and some things like network devices, its not a big issue but if you depend on nvda to read the clock from systray you may want to leave this update alone.

Nvda reports uia and garbage errors with virtual buffers but the log doesn't always generate.

You can fix this briefly by restarting nvda but its almost like some events are not beeing able to be read in realtime or something.

One of the fixes with this latest update is to change some reader issues in general with some uia conditions, and I am sure its fixed something.

However some live updateable things are no longer updating.


NVDA's normal navigation mode

anthony borg
 

Hi can someone explain to me what is the commands to toggle on or off the NVDA’s normal navigation mode please?

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony


In-Process is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This week, our In-Process blog has details on the new NVDA 2021.1 Beta 1, plus all the info you need to get your head around the release cycle. And an invitation to participate in the 2021 NVDA Satisfaction Survey: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-28th-may-2021/


Kind regards

Quentin.
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Training and Support Manager


Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Martin McCormick
 

I was simply taking things too literally. Thanks again.


Martin

"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> writes:

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 01:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:


A bit about "comma": that's usually the way I write commands (others may
have different ideas).
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As do I, and as does most documentation where a multi-key press, in order
must occur, e.g., WinKey+X,A to run a command prompt (in my case) with
admin privileges or NVDA+N,T,A to open the NVDA Add-Ons Manager.

I just couldn't interpret the meaning of, "I hit comma and it did
nothing," in this context. Just like the plus sign in two-keystroke at
once sequences isn't interpreted literally, nor should comma ever be.
Some will write out something like NVDA+N, followed by T, followed by A,
but that gets really unmanageable really fast.

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their
actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions,
and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What
you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

tim
 

That very same need is what got a major pipeline in North Carolina to be hacked and shut down.

I think you might of heard of that one?

now they are breaking ass to plug those holes. So you may not have long to enjoy that feature.

On 5/27/2021 6:41 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
 Brian Vogel wrote:

This is a serious question, and not meant to be taken as snarky:  What need is this addressing?Since NVDA (and JAWS, for that matter) are PC platform only
software, I can't imagine what the benefit of trying to control it from the iOS platform would be.
Brian

You seem to be looking at this from the screen reader prospective, rather than the simple prospective of being able to use a remote desktop from a smartphone.

The sighted community has had for years, the ability to remote in to a work computer, for example, via their smartphone after hours, to quickly do something that can't easily be done directly from the smartphone itself.

Until now, there hasn't really been any convenient way for blind users to do this, unless your work was a primarily Linux environment and you could come in through SSH from your phone/tablet.

For me at least, this opens quite a few possibilities, depending on exactly how well it works.

For example, there are administrative tools for some of my daily tasks, that only work from a Windows browser. Whether in iOS Chrome or Safari, using mobile or requested desktop sites, they simply don't work from iOS.

That means that if a customer calls me while I don't have access to a laptop, until now they would just have to wait until I did.

If this actually works well, I could now remote into one of my home systems by private server, and remotely fill that need immediately.

A situation occurred just yesterday wherein that would have been very helpful indeed.

I for one welcome this development. I have needed it enough, that were I an iOS developer, I would have tried it myself a long time ago.

Luke




Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Sarah k Alawami
 

That would be nice, but that might right now seem like a lofty dream.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 4:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

Well it would be nice to have a mmore universal remote from anywhere.

 

 

On 28/05/2021 11:50 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

Is this what you are saying part of this idea on apple vis at https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/app-concept-nvda-remote-ios

 

I know there is a friend of mine who uses apple devices and this waswas a question he asked me if he could control nvda on another computer from his device.

I said to him at that time I did not think so.

 

Gene nz

 

On 28/05/2021 9:39 am, William James wrote:

Got you covered!

NVDA Remote for iOS Being Developed

You're encouraged to test this:

https://testflight.apple.com/join/oEUkUTMd

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Crayton Benner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDARemote

 

I saw that link on twitter yesterday. I should have posted it. 


On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 15:19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Well since we are on the subject of nvda remote, I don't have the link here but according to various twitter feeds and other groups, there is an ios server or client for nvda remote in test phase.

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Sarah k Alawami
 

Agreed. I often need to access my computer while on my phone, down stairs to check on something. I’ve been relying on someone in notepad on my machine sending me messages as to how things are going. Now that won’t be necessary, or at least, not  as often.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:41 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

You seem to be looking at this from the screen reader prospective

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That would be a correct conjecture.  I don't think of any of the screen reader "remotes" as being the equivalent of a standard remote desktop.

You've raised good points, and ones I had not thought of, since they weren't a part of "the big, but not big enough" picture that I had in my mind.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

Well it would be nice to have a mmore universal remote from anywhere.



On 28/05/2021 11:50 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Is this what you are saying part of this idea on apple vis at https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/app-concept-nvda-remote-ios


I know there is a friend of mine who uses apple devices and this waswas a question he asked me if he could control nvda on another computer from his device.

I said to him at that time I did not think so.


Gene nz


On 28/05/2021 9:39 am, William James wrote:

Got you covered!

NVDA Remote for iOS Being Developed

You're encouraged to test this:

https://testflight.apple.com/join/oEUkUTMd

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Crayton Benner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDARemote

 

I saw that link on twitter yesterday. I should have posted it. 



On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 15:19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Well since we are on the subject of nvda remote, I don't have the link here but according to various twitter feeds and other groups, there is an ios server or client for nvda remote in test phase.

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Is this what you are saying part of this idea on apple vis at https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/app-concept-nvda-remote-ios


I know there is a friend of mine who uses apple devices and this waswas a question he asked me if he could control nvda on another computer from his device.

I said to him at that time I did not think so.


Gene nz


On 28/05/2021 9:39 am, William James wrote:

Got you covered!

NVDA Remote for iOS Being Developed

You're encouraged to test this:

https://testflight.apple.com/join/oEUkUTMd

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Crayton Benner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDARemote

 

I saw that link on twitter yesterday. I should have posted it. 



On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 15:19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Well since we are on the subject of nvda remote, I don't have the link here but according to various twitter feeds and other groups, there is an ios server or client for nvda remote in test phase.

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

Now if it would only spread to android/mac/linux, you could basically run a windows system with nvda and control it from anywhere you want.

So all you would need is whatever you wanted and run it just for geek sake.

On 28/05/2021 10:30 am, Hareth wrote:
blind IOS users with the need of remotely control their PC's probably
has no other way but to use NVDA specially with this app potential.
Actually I find it very promising for those who need the service.

On 5/27/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:12 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

I am not a iOS user.
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And? How does this relate to what you quoted, or anything so far in this
topic? It feels like something's missing.

I'm not an iOS user, either. And while I have little doubt that there are a
great many iPhone and/or iPad (thus, iOS) users who also use NVDA, I doubt
that most ever think of those spheres at the same time. That's why I find
this whole development odd, to say the least.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel







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