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Ron Canazzi
This link goes nowhere.
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On 5/28/2021 1:02 PM, Hareth wrote:
There you go: --
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: nvda and latest windows update
Well, run nvda, move to and read the time as you would usually do in systray.
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Now wait a bit, say 5-10 minutes. Check the time again. Check with another clock. At first I tried with windows but my dimention4 sync says I am at the right time. The time will be whatever the last time it synced. Then go to settings and from the nvda menu do a revert to saved configuration and the time will be updated. I am unsure if the time events are not reading or if they are massively slowed down, because I was on the system for quite a while about 4 hours and suddenly the time did seem to resync but it only happened once like that. So its either slow or not that fast. I also found when opening the network icon in my computer or is it this pc, I have changed icons to look like the older icon names I have been used to since windows 95 because I could change the text label. The network will display. But it won't always refresh. In fact I got it into a state where it wouldn't list everything but going to control panel and devices and printers and scroling round seemed to refresh things. I am not sure if its nvda or an actual event syncing issue. Its not a critical showstopper but it does mean for example if I say open the start menu or sometimes open a site some events don't take or I open my computer well this pc or whatever was the last thing I did and I have tried another keyboard, its almost like some events are not being tracked. The log sometimes lists problems but a lot of the time doesn't. While this certainly is not a reload all over event, its a potential concern as while I have several clocks here I don't always have a clock near me with my remote work. So I guess I will have to keep my phone close by to check things. It doesn't hamper general opperations generally but I did notice this. It would be interesting exactly where the scenarios applied for the uia changes to be needed in the first place though. This change has definitely broken some things though. The only difference is unlike 2019 I can still use the system, its more of an inconvenience rather than a real problem. As far as my syncronisation program tells me, time is actually normally doing its thing within windows itself.
On 28/05/2021 8:51 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode
Arlene
Yes, it should be an option. If you want the word spoken then you should have the option to have it say it. Or set the sound to that if you are not a beginner using NVDA.Or, if you are a beginner to NVDA. Yes NVDA rocks! What I’ve always liked about it is this! You can add your addons as you like not pay for it with them added. If you are not a computer coder then you don’t need them where as if you pay for an expensive screen reader you pay for them weather you want them or not. Same with the voices. I like how you are given the choice to buy them and add them to NVDA. I like how you are given the choice to add the things you want as you choose. I hope these words are right. I don’t want to ruffle people’s feathers. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gene
I'm not making a general statement that spoken words are better. I'm saying that when someone begins learning the Internet, they are thinking about all sorts of things. I think that hearing the words will both help remember the terms and what they mean and that it will make it a little easier for the beginning student.
I also think that automatic mode switching should be off for beginning students.
Gene
On 5/28/2021 11:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
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Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode
Yep, it's a combination of that mechanical typing sound, and a short tone. I like it.
On 2021-05-28 1:08 p.m., Sarah k
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Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode
Actually it is a typing sound. In the 1800s the telegraph used that sound, or at least somethingn close to it. So I know what that means. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.
On 28 May 2021, at 8:27, Gene wrote:
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Hareth <hareth4m@...>
There you go:
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ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/
On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.
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Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode
Gene,
The problem being, much like the ribbon interface being here and here to stay, the ships of automatic mode switching off and use of verbal mode prompts being used have sailed long ago and are not coming back. Even if I agreed with your positions in the abstract, and I don't, the best thing for beginning students is to learn using the out of the box defaults. This is for the very simple reason that other than some minor tweaking, if that, most people don't do tons of customization away from the defaults. Being able to sit in front of any random machine that uses software you're familiar with, and being able to use it without hitting unnecessary stumbling blocks, is so hugely valuable as to be unable to be ignored or waved away. I don't, and won't, ever presume that someone who's using a screen reader will never be using it anywhere except their own home/office, and that being able to sit down and just "hit the ground running" on a machine unfamiliar to them is something they'd want, without even asking the question. That's how general education works, then once the foundations and defaults are known, personalization decisions get made then (and, if you're smart, you'll record what you've done, when you're doing it, because I have yet to meet anyone who remembers what they've done weeks/months/years later when they need or want to re-create it). -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode
Gene
I'm not making a general statement that spoken words are better. I'm saying that when someone begins learning the Internet, they are thinking about all sorts of things. I think that hearing the words will both help remember the terms and what they mean and that it will make it a little easier for the beginning student.
I also think that automatic mode switching should be off for
beginning students.
Gene
On 5/28/2021 11:14 AM, Brian Vogel
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On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:11 PM, Gene wrote:
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Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Brian,
I'm in total agreement with you here. When I first learned NVDA, I didn'twant to always hear "browse mode" or "focus mode". I chose to hear the sounds rather than the words "browse" and "focus" modes. To be honest, I hate extra verbage. It drives me batty after a while.
Rosemarie
On 5/28/2021 9:14 AM, Brian Vogel
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On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:11 PM, Gene wrote:
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On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:11 PM, Gene wrote:
But I think it is important for those beginning to learn web navigation to hear what mode they are in.- And they do. You just want to insist that using spoken words is "better." I don't think it is given how frequently mode changes (as things are set up by default) and that extra verbosity just gets in the way. The two sounds are quite distinct and not used otherwise contextually. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode
Gene
Students can use whatever they want as they progress, but I see nothing
wrong with having spoken repetitions reinforcing learning in a case like
this.
I’m not generalizing about interfaces. But I think
it is important for those beginning to learn web navigation to hear what mode
they are in.
Gene
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Fri, May 28, 2021 at 11:27 AM, Gene wrote: Also, for those learning NVDA, I don’t think sound should be used. Repetition is important in learning and hearing actual words would help those learning both become more aware of the terms and perhaps be more aware of when they are in which mode.- Sorry, Gene, but sound indicators for a very great many things, and outside of NVDA, are so common as to be virtually ubiquitous. More common that word or phrase announcements, I'd say. You, any you, are best off learning the actual default conventions of whatever it is your using, and then, and only then, changing things to suit your personal liking. Knowing how to use the native interfaces of everything you use, before customizing them, saves a heck of a lot of heartache if you are someone who finds themselves having to use the software other than on your own equipment. I used to heavily customize for clients, and early on back in the day, until I saw just how many times they had to jump on to another machine (most were students in college, but not all) and they'd have no idea at all what the native interfaces were telling them. Not good. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)
Hareth <hareth4m@...>
Thanks for the clarification, appreciated.
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I just couldn't stop my self pointing the differ between security and an app service features .
On 5/28/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 11:53 AM, Hareth wrote:-
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On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 11:27 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, for those learning NVDA, I don’t think sound should be used. Repetition is important in learning and hearing actual words would help those learning both become more aware of the terms and perhaps be more aware of when they are in which mode.- Sorry, Gene, but sound indicators for a very great many things, and outside of NVDA, are so common as to be virtually ubiquitous. More common that word or phrase announcements, I'd say. You, any you, are best off learning the actual default conventions of whatever it is your using, and then, and only then, changing things to suit your personal liking. Knowing how to use the native interfaces of everything you use, before customizing them, saves a heck of a lot of heartache if you are someone who finds themselves having to use the software other than on your own equipment. I used to heavily customize for clients, and early on back in the day, until I saw just how many times they had to jump on to another machine (most were students in college, but not all) and they'd have no idea at all what the native interfaces were telling them. Not good. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode
Gene
I seldom use JAWS, but I find the sounds to be unpleasant.
But I’m concerned in this case with one use of the sounds. I think
that when yu use NVDDA space to toggle browse mode off and on, speech is
preferable. And JAWS doesn’t have sounds when you toggle the Virtual PC
cursor off and on with JAWS key z.
If someone wants to say that they would rather hear sounds when
browse mode is automatically turned off and on when you move through a page,
that makes sense. I think the sound for browse mode off is a poor choice,
but my objection is to not having speech when you use the NVDA key space toggle
as the default..
Gene
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Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode The sounds is simply another indicator of what is going on. Do the sounds associated with forms mode in Jaws bug you as well?
I hear two things in the higher pitched sound. A manual typewriter key sound, and a short square wave tone at around 1,400 Hz, or 6th octave F. the other sound for that toggle appears to be simply a short square wave at 440 Hz or rth octave A.
On 2021-05-28 11:27 a.m., Gene wrote:
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On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 11:53 AM, Hareth wrote:
Wrong!- Hareth, believe it or not, this is not aimed at you, specifically (see my previous message) but I am asking everyone to now please either steer back to the NVDA-centric, and only NVDA-centric, focus for this topic or take it to the Chat Subgroup. We, and I included myself in this, are getting very far away from anything that's actually related to NVDA specifically and, thus, it's off-topic here. I'd prefer not to have to lock this topic, as there could be something specific to it that someone has yet to say, but I will if I must if it remains "off the rails." -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)
Hareth <hareth4m@...>
Wrong!
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Your implying that all NVDA remote are bunch of fools. any app cross platforms use the same remote connection protocol are included your blanket judgement, that includes you if you in use of it. All what the other platforms app developers is creating a way to facilitate that protocol to be used from another OS. Vulnerability to hackers is altogether a security matter need to be dealt with by the initial development of the NVDA remote support addon, and not by who ever try to connect to their product. above all that smartphones by far much secured compared to windows PC. And for tools for the utilization of NVDA support, I rarely needed anything more than a keyboard plus the device talking to me for what is going on on the other device to give support for most of the cases I've dealt with. those new methods would indeed add a new accessible tool to our arsenal.
On 5/28/21, tim <z2004a1@...> wrote:
Only if your a fool to give support without the tools you really need and a
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Rosemarie Chavarria
I meant I can't find the download link for it.
On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie
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Rosemarie Chavarria
I can't find the sownload link for it.
On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner
via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.
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On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
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The sounds is simply another indicator of what is going on. Do the sounds associated with forms mode in Jaws bug you as well?
I hear two things in the higher pitched sound. A manual typewriter key sound, and a short square wave tone at around 1,400 Hz, or 6th octave F. the other sound for that toggle appears to be simply a short square wave at 440 Hz or rth octave A.
On 2021-05-28 11:27 a.m., Gene wrote:
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