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Re: break copyright. Re: [nvda] Microsoft Word with NVDA by NV Access now available
Well I have it now.
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Looks like after all the hastles with orders that I only got 1 recipt and so that worked. I havn't run word in ages but I like to buy to support and get a manual which I can use myself. I did do wordprocessing and well that sort of thing. I really wouldn't mind a guide for spreadsheets like excell, outlook, powerpoint, and maybe libre and open office. I never completed my spreadsheeting course because the person I got to help was useless and basically couldn't find how to handle it with the keyboard they did it all for me with the mouse. As a result I passed the theory but have no practical experience at all.
On 13/09/2016 10:56 p.m., Simone Dal Maso wrote:
This is really a useful documentation.
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Re: Microsoft Word with NVDA by NV Access now available
Arlene
Loll! I hope you can give that book to somebody who doesn't have it. Just
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sell it for half the price you baught it for.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard Sent: September-13-16 9:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Word with NVDA by NV Access now available Hello Quentin, I tried to buy this ebook, but I made a stupid mistake and went and re-bought the Basic Training ebook, whichI already have. I wrote to Admin but, of course, you people "down under" are sleeping now... Do you think it would be possible to change the download link, which I haven't used, and send me one for the Microsoft Word ebook? I'm a well-known "messer-upper", so please, bear with me... lol Ciao, and thanks for your great work. Ollie
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Re: Microsoft Word with NVDA by NV Access now available
Quentin Christensen
Hi Ollie, I'm sure that will be fine, let me chase it up for you :) Regards Quentin.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:35 AM, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote: Hello Quentin, --
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Re: Microsoft Word with NVDA by NV Access now available
Quentin Christensen
Hi Cearbhall, Glad you got it working! Yes, the older way that operation worked did enable nifty things like in my example, although I think it also caused some confusion as well, so we'll see how this new way goes. In the meantime, I better update the material - and I'll keep the old activity on hand just in case we ever go back :) Oh, re where you end up after you copy text, if you are in an otherwise editable field, then the text is selected, as it would be if you had used the regular movement commands, so if you press say left arrow, you will end up at the start of the selection, and if you press right arrow, you will end up at the end of the selection.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:
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Re: Microsoft Word with NVDA by NV Access now available
Mallard
Hello Quentin,
I tried to buy this ebook, but I made a stupid mistake and went and re-bought the Basic Training ebook, whichI already have. I wrote to Admin but, of course, you people "down under" are sleeping now... Do you think it would be possible to change the download link, which I haven't used, and send me one for the Microsoft Word ebook? I'm a well-known "messer-upper", so please, bear with me... lol Ciao, and thanks for your great work. Ollie
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Re: RE dropbox with XP
Arlene
Yes it is. This is only xp talk.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Russell Sent: September-13-16 6:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] RE dropbox with XP Hello NVDA group, I did not catch all the previous discussion concerning dropbox, but am wondering are dropbox and the current version of NVDA compatible on Win7 computers? Also, is there a review or tutorial online that will teach one how to access and use dropbox? I belong to an online writing group, and part of its practice is to use dropbox for written submissions. Thanks. -- David Russell david.sonofhashem@gmail.com Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries. James A. Michener
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test don't read
aad leeflang <aad@...>
i just want to see if my message comes through.
aad -- aad@tripledutch.info
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Re: Microsoft Word with NVDA by NV Access now available
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Quentin,
Thanks that does explain what is happening! Hard to keep up with all the changes, isn’t it?
OK then, so, I need to press NVDA +F10 twice. This does copy the text. But it activates the caret. So, if I am right about this, will it be necessary to advise the user to press control+end to get back to the location for the pasting operation?
If so, that’s a pity as you were describing a very neat little operation in the older version.
I wish you every success with this tutorial and I would like to help in any way I can. Please let me know if anything else needs an independent review!!
All the best,
Cearbhall
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Cearbhall,
Well picked up! Yes that behaviour of the review cursor has changed just this week in NVDA 2016.3, and as you've reminded me, we need to update that sample section of the Basic Training for NVDA module.
Pressing NVDA+f10 twice (quickly) should copy the selection to the clipboard. Depending on the type of object that has focus, selecting the text (the first press) may move the focus you are right, but it should copy if you press NVDA+f10 twice quickly - within say a second or less - similar to pressing NVDA+f12 twice quickly to get the date, or pressing any of the reading commands twice to spell something.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:
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RE dropbox with XP
David Russell
Hello NVDA group,
I did not catch all the previous discussion concerning dropbox, but am wondering are dropbox and the current version of NVDA compatible on Win7 computers? Also, is there a review or tutorial online that will teach one how to access and use dropbox? I belong to an online writing group, and part of its practice is to use dropbox for written submissions. Thanks. -- David Russell david.sonofhashem@gmail.com Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries. James A. Michener
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Re: OE Classic - Easy to use Outlook Express replacement
Gene
It is not accessible and it never has been.
It's been around for a number of years.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 8:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] OE Classic - Easy to use Outlook Express
replacement Here is an interesting solution for the people that do not want to give up outlook express. I wonder how it works with nvda. Some text about it is belo. Pete OE Classic - Replacement for Outlook Express OE Classic is an email and Usenet reader designed to be a perfect replacement for Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail and even Mozilla Thunderbird. The ultimate goal of OE Classic is to be an easy to use, fast, small and secure program with lots of power features and yet, easy to use for a beginner. Your data always belongs to you as it is stored in a public-domain format and there are no storage size limits. Download OE Classic 2.51For Windows 10, Windows 8, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows 2000 How does OE Classic compare to Outlook Express, Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail? This table shows some of similarities and differences between OE Classic, Outlook Express, Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail. The table is based on user comments and our technical research. table with 5 columns and 14 rows Feature Outlook Express Windows Mail Windows Live Mail 2009-2012 OE Classic User interface Simple Simple, but some features missing like identities More features missing, ribbons, unintuitive, takes more time for the former Outlook Express user to get used to Easy to use, very similar to Outlook Express Identities Yes No No Yes (Pro version) Message rules Very limiting Very limiting Very limiting Comprehensive set of rules and actions, easy to use Address book Windows Address Book (WAB) Windows Contacts Windows Contacts Built-in Message storage Undocumented (closed source) proprietary database with access interface (API) (DBX format) Proprietary database with access interface (API) (EML/ESE/JetBlue format) Proprietary database without access interface, your emails are locked in proprietary database - this makes it difficult to export data (EML/ESE/JetBlue format) Public domain database formats (your email data belongs to you), all formats are documented in the help (SQLite/MBX format) Supported OS Windows XP (and older) Windows Vista only Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7 (2009) Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 (2011) Windows 7, Windows 8 (2012) All modern Windows (and future Windows), Windows 10, Windows 8, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows 2000 Up to date No (only for Windows XP) No (only for Windows Vista) No (latest version 2012) Yes (actively developed and improved) Folder limits Only 2 GB (corruption may occur beyond this, quite easily exceeded) Unknown Unknown No (limited only by disk size) Secure message storage No (possible folder corruption, especially with Compact function) Unknown Unknown Yes (crash proof message saving, can even handle power-off in the middle of message save) User support No No No Quick and dedicated support directly from developers (read full benefits on order page) Easily move messages/data to new machine No (needs third party programs) No (needs third party programs) No (needs third party programs) Yes Can you request new features? No No No Yes (paid users) Price Free with Windows XP purchase (bundled) Free with Windows Vista purchase (bundled) Free Free / $24.95 table end Download on download page or order on order page.
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Re: To all xp users who were running dropbox
Gene
I don't know what the last exchange was between
Mike and me on the list. I had assumed that all exchanges were on
list. Perhaps the exchange where Mike explained the procedure was taken
off list and sent only to me. I haven't checked. At any rate, what I
explained should work and is the procedure, that Mike uses.
Gene
From: Arno Schuh
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running
dropbox > I don't know how people didn't seem to read the exchange I had with > Mike on this subject. It appears that no one is using the method > Mike uses, which works, No it definately doesn't work here. If it works on your system - something on your computer may be different to my or most of other XP machines. So if it runs these way on your computer - that didn't mean it runs on any other XP machine. Arno --- and as far as I can see, the version of Drop > Box being used doesn't matter. I have what, as far as I know, is the > most recent version. > > If Drop Box is running, close it so you are starting from the same > place as I did when I tried this. > Then run Drop Box in the usual way, by pressing enter on the Drop Box > icon on the desk top. > Once it is ready, press enter on the icon again. > Drop Box will open and read a message that says to log in, use > control g. > Execute the command control g. > Your default browser will open on the Drop Box login page. > Log in. > You will be logged in in the Drop Box application and you will remain > logged in using the application even if you close and reopen it. > > If you alt tab around, you may see a window at some point that is > titled drop box error. Ignore it. You are not following a supported > procedure, but the error window has no effect on what you are doing. > All your files will be indexed again but once the indexing message > disappears from the system tray information about Drop Box it will be > ready to use. It may take awhile for the indexing message to stop > being displayed and. You will see the usual up to date message after > it disappears. There will be a very brief time when you see some > other message about changing a certain number of files or something > like that but it doesn't matter. It will be replaced with the up to > date message. > > Gene
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Re: Another possible browser alternative, vivaldi
Jacob Kruger
There's no real advantage, and, I came across it before had realised opera was just implementing chrome in a better interface than chrome itself offers...<smile>
Still plan to play around with it, since it might offer some additional interface customising, but, nothing major in terms of being specifically accessible, as far as I can tell thus far.
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2016-09-13 2:24 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: NVDA and spell checker (Word 2013)
Babcock LDPVI
Thanks! I will try it out.
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OE Classic - Easy to use Outlook Express replacement
Pete <emac00@...>
https://www.oeclassic.com/
Here is an interesting solution for the people that do not want to give up outlook express. I wonder how it works with nvda. Some text about it is belo. Pete OE Classic - Replacement for Outlook Express OE Classic is an email and Usenet reader designed to be a perfect replacement for Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail and even Mozilla Thunderbird. The ultimate goal of OE Classic is to be an easy to use, fast, small and secure program with lots of power features and yet, easy to use for a beginner. Your data always belongs to you as it is stored in a public-domain format and there are no storage size limits. Download OE Classic 2.51For Windows 10, Windows 8, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows 2000 How does OE Classic compare to Outlook Express, Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail? This table shows some of similarities and differences between OE Classic, Outlook Express, Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail. The table is based on user comments and our technical research. table with 5 columns and 14 rows Feature Outlook Express Windows Mail Windows Live Mail 2009-2012 OE Classic User interface Simple Simple, but some features missing like identities More features missing, ribbons, unintuitive, takes more time for the former Outlook Express user to get used to Easy to use, very similar to Outlook Express Identities Yes No No Yes (Pro version) Message rules Very limiting Very limiting Very limiting Comprehensive set of rules and actions, easy to use Address book Windows Address Book (WAB) Windows Contacts Windows Contacts Built-in Message storage Undocumented (closed source) proprietary database with access interface (API) (DBX format) Proprietary database with access interface (API) (EML/ESE/JetBlue format) Proprietary database without access interface, your emails are locked in proprietary database - this makes it difficult to export data (EML/ESE/JetBlue format) Public domain database formats (your email data belongs to you), all formats are documented in the help (SQLite/MBX format) Supported OS Windows XP (and older) Windows Vista only Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7 (2009) Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 (2011) Windows 7, Windows 8 (2012) All modern Windows (and future Windows), Windows 10, Windows 8, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows 2000 Up to date No (only for Windows XP) No (only for Windows Vista) No (latest version 2012) Yes (actively developed and improved) Folder limits Only 2 GB (corruption may occur beyond this, quite easily exceeded) Unknown Unknown No (limited only by disk size) Secure message storage No (possible folder corruption, especially with Compact function) Unknown Unknown Yes (crash proof message saving, can even handle power-off in the middle of message save) User support No No No Quick and dedicated support directly from developers (read full benefits on order page) Easily move messages/data to new machine No (needs third party programs) No (needs third party programs) No (needs third party programs) Yes Can you request new features? No No No Yes (paid users) Price Free with Windows XP purchase (bundled) Free with Windows Vista purchase (bundled) Free Free / $24.95 table end Download on download page or order on order page.
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Re: To all xp users who were running dropbox
Arno Schuh
Am Dienstag, 13. September 2016 14:16 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com>:
I don't know how people didn't seem to read the exchange I had withNo it definately doesn't work here. If it works on your system - something on your computer may be different to my or most of other XP machines. So if it runs these way on your computer - that didn't mean it runs on any other XP machine. Arno --- and as far as I can see, the version of Drop Box being used doesn't matter. I have what, as far as I know, is the
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Re: Microsoft Word with NVDA by NV Access now available
Quentin Christensen
Cearbhall, Well picked up! Yes that behaviour of the review cursor has changed just this week in NVDA 2016.3, and as you've reminded me, we need to update that sample section of the Basic Training for NVDA module. Pressing NVDA+f10 twice (quickly) should copy the selection to the clipboard. Depending on the type of object that has focus, selecting the text (the first press) may move the focus you are right, but it should copy if you press NVDA+f10 twice quickly - within say a second or less - similar to pressing NVDA+f12 twice quickly to get the date, or pressing any of the reading commands twice to spell something. Kind regards Quentin.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:
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Re: Another possible browser alternative, vivaldi
Gene
I haven't used it enough to have an opinion about
adding it to the list in terms of accessibility. It appears to be more or
less accessible from the little I played with it. I may or may not be
curious enough to test it further. But my question is, what advantage does
the browser present? In my brief testing, I saw none. I read a
review in PC Magazine and the benefits appear to be those sighted people would
be interested in. I saw nothing that would improve useability for blind
users. We don't care and don't benefit from the kinds of visual
differences you can choose such as stacking tabs in a different way.
So, at present, my view is that even if the browser
is included in the list of accessible browsers, I see no advantage in using
it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another possible browser alternative,
vivaldi Hi Jacob Just found your email and downloaded the browser to take it for a quick test drive. it seems pretty useable and also lets you use most quick navigation keys. I was able to go to different pages and go back to the main one etc I have not had a look under the settings etc but it seem to speak out menus etc as wewll as the web content. I wonder if others users have taken it for a test drive and what do they think of it as well, should it be added to the list of useable browsers it seems very likely. so far. Gene nz On 6/07/2016 8:10 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
-- Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
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Re: To all xp users who were running dropbox
Gene
I don't know how people didn't seem to read the
exchange I had with Mike on this subject. It appears that no one is using
the method Mike uses, which works, and as far as I can see, the version of Drop
Box being used doesn't matter. I have what, as far as I know, is the most
recent version.
If Drop Box is running, close it so you are
starting from the same place as I did when I tried this.
Then run Drop Box in the usual way, by pressing
enter on the Drop Box icon on the desk top.
Once it is ready,
press enter on the icon again.
Drop Box will open and read a message that says to
log in, use control g.
Execute the command control g.
Your default browser will open on the Drop Box
login page.
Log in.
You will be logged in in the Drop Box application
and you will remain logged in using the application even if you close and reopen
it.
If you alt tab around, you may see a window at some
point that is titled drop box error. Ignore it. You are not
following a supported procedure, but the error window has no effect on what you
are doing.
All your files will be indexed again but once the
indexing message disappears from the system tray information about Drop Box it
will be ready to use. It may take awhile for the indexing message to stop
being displayed and. You will see the usual up to date message after it
disappears. There will be a very brief time when you see some other
message about changing a certain number of files or something like that but it
doesn't matter. It will be replaced with the up to date message.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arno Schuh
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running
dropbox Offline Installer.exe and it is allways the same. Dropbox don't let me in. It recognize that I try to connect from XP - and that's it. So if somebody is able to log-in - lucky boy! Yours sincerely Arno Am Dienstag, 13. September 2016 09:35 schrieb Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>: > Well, I did not download it on two of the machines as they were still > downloading the updates from dropbox, but one thing may be important > as on one machine where the program had been uninstalled I used an > old copy of the offline installer, ie not the stub based on normally used. > This installed and worked and updated itself to the latest > version The other point of course is that all my machines do have the > registry > moddification to allow windows and msse updates till 2019, though it > calls them by a different name. The operating system still > identifies itself as xp though. > I have not had time to test this again today, but its worked for a > da few days so far. > > Brian
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Re: Microsoft Word with NVDA by NV Access now available
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Quentin,
I was trying out the free sample on the web page.
I am not fully familiar with the review cursor and so I tried to follow the sample exercise. as I am a bit confused about the copying stroke. The manual says insert+F9 to start the mark and then one keystroke of insert F10 to copy it. However, NVDA keyboard help says that NVDA F10 should be pressed twice to copy the sleection. I also found that after pressing insert F10 twice, the caret moved to the position of the word being copied and moved away from the last line position where it was expected to be.
I have repeated this several times with both a single insert+F10 and a double insert+F10 and I cannot get it to work. Any advice?
All the best,
Cearbhall
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
NV Access is very pleased to announce the release of "Microsoft Word with NVDA", the official training material for Microsoft Word with NVDA. It covers concepts from getting started with Word through to use of advanced features such as customising the status ribbon and running macros. Available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/product/microsoft-word-training-for-nvda/ initially in eBook formats (Braille and audio to follow) for AUD $30 (+ $3 GST in Australia).
Microsoft Word with NVDA is the second module in the official set of training materials for learning to use the free NVDA screen reader. Suitable for the new and existing user of Microsoft Word wishing to improve proficiency. This module assumes that the user has completed the “Basic Training for NVDA” module, or has equivalent knowledge. Topics covered include: Getting started with Microsoft Word, proofreading, styles, tables, page layout, referencing, inserting, collaboration and sharing and customising Word options. Formats included in this package: ePub, HTML, Word Docx and Mobi (Kindle). The purchase price of this product supports the work of NV Access and our ability to provide the NVDA screen reading software free of charge. If you would like to sample the style of the material prior to purchasing, we have made an extract of the Basic Training for NVDA module freely available on our website, http://www.nvaccess.org/.
-- Quentin Christensen Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Re: break copyright. Re: [nvda] Microsoft Word with NVDA by NV Access now available
Quentin Christensen
Hi Simone, Thank you very much for your interest in translating our material. We are certainly interested in having the material available in alternate languages, and at the same time, we also realise this would be quite a considerable task. I would definitely be interested in talking with you further if you could please e-mail me at quentin@... Kind regards Quentin.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Simone Dal Maso <simone.dalmaso@...> wrote: This is really a useful documentation. --
Quentin Christensen Training Material Developer Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Direct: +61 413 904 383 www.nvaccess.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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