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Re: NVDA, MS-Word, and Linked/Embedded Files

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Brian,


I don't want to send you on a wild goose chase here because to be honest, I hadn't played around with this feature in years, but I do believe there's a way to do it using the paste special option in Microsoft word.  You can use it to paste text as links, and formatting atributes.  I believe that you can do the same thing with files as well. Try messing around with that and see what happens.  


Tony



On 6/6/2021 12:47 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Before I even think about opening a GitHub ticket about this, I thought I'd ask here in case there's something I'm doing wrong or a setting I don't know about that I need to tweak.  Some of what follows is NVDA-specific while others are about MS-Word in light of what's happening when using the screen reader, but not about NVDA, per se.

A question came up on the JAWS list about how to put a link to a file (not a hyperlink, but a link to another file on your computer) in to a Word document.  This is commonly known in geek speak as object linking and embedding, with the object in this case being another word file.  This is the topic: Links Within Word Document

In my case, I created a Word document in which I linked to another Word file,  I elected to use the Display as icon option, as I didn't want the text from that file displaying inline in the document I was working on, just easy access to it when that is wanted.

1. When I gain focus on the linked file, NVDA announces nothing but, "embedded object."  This is problematic in two respects.  The object is not embedded, but linked, and in this context that is a distinction with significant difference.  The name of the file itself, which actually displays beneath the icon for the linked file (it kind looks like a button, but without an edge around it), is not announced.  So you get nothing but "embedded object."  If a file where to have multiple linked or embedded objects there would be no way for the screen reader user to know exactly which type of thing they've gained focus on nor, in the case of a linked object displayed as icon, the actual name of the file so linked.  Is there something I can change as far as how this is announced?

2. "The sighted way" to fire up a separate Word window for a linked file displayed as icon is to double click on that icon.  But, I cannot seem to activate the icon once I have focus on it using "the typical methods" (like hitting Enter, for instance) when I have focus on it.  If there is a keyboard method to do this, what is it?


--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: is there a tutorial to use NVDA with thunderbird email client

Tony Ballou
 

Hi, 


Go to

accessibilitycentral.net/accessible email client mozilla thunderbird.html

you'll find a really nice tutorial there. 


Tony




On 6/5/2021 3:40 AM, g melconian wrote:

Hello I would like to ask a question. Is there a good tutorial to set up and use NVDA with thunderbird email client.  If there  is,  where  can I go to find that  info for setting up annd using thunderbird email client with NVDA. 


NVDA, MS-Word, and Linked/Embedded Files

 

Before I even think about opening a GitHub ticket about this, I thought I'd ask here in case there's something I'm doing wrong or a setting I don't know about that I need to tweak.  Some of what follows is NVDA-specific while others are about MS-Word in light of what's happening when using the screen reader, but not about NVDA, per se.

A question came up on the JAWS list about how to put a link to a file (not a hyperlink, but a link to another file on your computer) in to a Word document.  This is commonly known in geek speak as object linking and embedding, with the object in this case being another word file.  This is the topic: Links Within Word Document

In my case, I created a Word document in which I linked to another Word file,  I elected to use the Display as icon option, as I didn't want the text from that file displaying inline in the document I was working on, just easy access to it when that is wanted.

1. When I gain focus on the linked file, NVDA announces nothing but, "embedded object."  This is problematic in two respects.  The object is not embedded, but linked, and in this context that is a distinction with significant difference.  The name of the file itself, which actually displays beneath the icon for the linked file (it kind looks like a button, but without an edge around it), is not announced.  So you get nothing but "embedded object."  If a file where to have multiple linked or embedded objects there would be no way for the screen reader user to know exactly which type of thing they've gained focus on nor, in the case of a linked object displayed as icon, the actual name of the file so linked.  Is there something I can change as far as how this is announced?

2. "The sighted way" to fire up a separate Word window for a linked file displayed as icon is to double click on that icon.  But, I cannot seem to activate the icon once I have focus on it using "the typical methods" (like hitting Enter, for instance) when I have focus on it.  If there is a keyboard method to do this, what is it?


--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: adding Microsoft Neural Text-to-Speech to NVDA? Is that possible?

Ali Savas
 

Hi Mattias,

Why are You so negative ali?
I am anything but negative. On the contrary, I am one of those people
who are very keen to experiment and try out a lot of things. You can
call me a very curious person. I just wanted to try to explain
technically why such an addon might not be an option for some users or
why it might not be useful.

There was even an issue on Github. Since these voices require one key
per user and setting this up might be a challenge for some users, the
developers have rejected it and left it up to the addon developers to
decide if there will be an addon for this or not.

If there will be an addon at some point, I will create an Azure account,
leave my payment details with Microsoft and just give it a try.

Best regards
Ali


Re: adding Microsoft Neural Text-to-Speech to NVDA? Is that possible?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Ping rates etc, can affect the voices. If you have internet breakage, there goes your speech. Also, if your internet connection brakes or burps in the middle of a sentence, there goes your speech, plus I believe that API key is expensive and you’re limited to 1mb probably a month for the free account.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mattias
Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 11:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] adding Microsoft Neural Text-to-Speech to NVDA? Is that possible?

 

Why are You so negative ali?

In chrome os You can for example use the internet based Android voices

Yes litle slow but functional

So why not the ms neural ones?

I’m litle thired about all this negativenes

 

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Sarah k Alawami
Skickat: den 5 juni 2021 16:05
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] adding Microsoft Neural Text-to-Speech to NVDA? Is that possible?

 

We're working on adding the neural tts voices to the program we use for flight simming. You can get an API key and it is something like 1mb per month for the neural tts voices, which given the amount of info we use is not going to matter, and we will have a fallback to sapi when internet falls over. Well I can't code but I am taking part in the discussion and implementation of the ideas.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ali Savas

Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 5:07 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] adding Microsoft Neural Text-to-Speech to NVDA? Is that possible?

 

Hi,

 

In theory, it would certainly be possible to use Microsoft Azure voices with an addon, however I'm afraid it doesn't make sense at all. There are several reasons for this:

 

1. these voices are not installable, but always run online. You would have to make sure you always have an internet connection.

2. let's assume that you have a permanent internet connection. Even then, depending on your internet connection, you would have a very high delay compared to the locally installed voices. Even if you had a very good internet connection, the response would most likely still not be high enough to work quickly and efficiently. Everything the voice is supposed to say is calculated in the cloud and then played back. These high quality voices that are processed in the cloud were not designed for such deployments.

3. You can't just buy the Azure voices and use them at will. In the Azure cloud, everything is charged per performance, compute cores, queries, word count, etc. So depending on how you work it could get pretty expensive.

 

I hope I was able to explain it in an understandable way. If something is still unclear, just ask again.

 

Best regards

Ali

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA announcing "Unknown"

anthony borg
 

Ok thanks once again rosemarie.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 05 June 2021 17:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing "Unknown"

 

Hi, Anthony,

 

You might want to do a clean installation of NVDA. I don’t know what else to suggest.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 5:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi Rosemarie

 

I tried the run com registration tool and it remained the same.

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 04 June 2021 17:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi, Anthony,

 

Do you know how to runthe com registration tool? I’ve had to do that whenever I heard “unknown”. You’ll find the com registration tool in the NVDA menu under “tools”.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi

 

Can somebody explain to me that everytime when the NVDA screen reader is loaded, it keeps announcing the word unknown. Even when I use firefox.

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

 

 

 


Re: adding Microsoft Neural Text-to-Speech to NVDA? Is that possible?

zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz
 

That’s your right.

Not all people have the access to the high speed internet to use this in the functional manner.

There was a Hebrew tts, called kolfix Sivan. It was cloud based, sapi5 compliant. It worked very slow, and the response was not so good, because of the cloud synthesis processing.

Best,

Zvonimir

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mattias
Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] adding Microsoft Neural Text-to-Speech to NVDA? Is that possible?

 

Why are You so negative ali?

In chrome os You can for example use the internet based Android voices

Yes litle slow but functional

So why not the ms neural ones?

I’m litle thired about all this negativenes

 

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Sarah k Alawami
Skickat: den 5 juni 2021 16:05
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] adding Microsoft Neural Text-to-Speech to NVDA? Is that possible?

 

We're working on adding the neural tts voices to the program we use for flight simming. You can get an API key and it is something like 1mb per month for the neural tts voices, which given the amount of info we use is not going to matter, and we will have a fallback to sapi when internet falls over. Well I can't code but I am taking part in the discussion and implementation of the ideas.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ali Savas

Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 5:07 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] adding Microsoft Neural Text-to-Speech to NVDA? Is that possible?

 

Hi,

 

In theory, it would certainly be possible to use Microsoft Azure voices with an addon, however I'm afraid it doesn't make sense at all. There are several reasons for this:

 

1. these voices are not installable, but always run online. You would have to make sure you always have an internet connection.

2. let's assume that you have a permanent internet connection. Even then, depending on your internet connection, you would have a very high delay compared to the locally installed voices. Even if you had a very good internet connection, the response would most likely still not be high enough to work quickly and efficiently. Everything the voice is supposed to say is calculated in the cloud and then played back. These high quality voices that are processed in the cloud were not designed for such deployments.

3. You can't just buy the Azure voices and use them at will. In the Azure cloud, everything is charged per performance, compute cores, queries, word count, etc. So depending on how you work it could get pretty expensive.

 

I hope I was able to explain it in an understandable way. If something is still unclear, just ask again.

 

Best regards

Ali

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: adding Microsoft Neural Text-to-Speech to NVDA? Is that possible?

 

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 10:50 AM, mattias wrote:
I’m litle thired about all this negativenes
-
Sorry, but there is no requirement that any member be a cheerleader for anything.

Those "not so hot" on the idea have given very clear reasons why they're not.  That's entirely appropriate.

Feedback, whether positive or negative, that's well-explained is very welcome here.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: adding Microsoft Neural Text-to-Speech to NVDA? Is that possible?

mattias
 

Why are You so negative ali?

In chrome os You can for example use the internet based Android voices

Yes litle slow but functional

So why not the ms neural ones?

I’m litle thired about all this negativenes

 

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Sarah k Alawami
Skickat: den 5 juni 2021 16:05
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] adding Microsoft Neural Text-to-Speech to NVDA? Is that possible?

 

We're working on adding the neural tts voices to the program we use for flight simming. You can get an API key and it is something like 1mb per month for the neural tts voices, which given the amount of info we use is not going to matter, and we will have a fallback to sapi when internet falls over. Well I can't code but I am taking part in the discussion and implementation of the ideas.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ali Savas

Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 5:07 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] adding Microsoft Neural Text-to-Speech to NVDA? Is that possible?

 

Hi,

 

In theory, it would certainly be possible to use Microsoft Azure voices with an addon, however I'm afraid it doesn't make sense at all. There are several reasons for this:

 

1. these voices are not installable, but always run online. You would have to make sure you always have an internet connection.

2. let's assume that you have a permanent internet connection. Even then, depending on your internet connection, you would have a very high delay compared to the locally installed voices. Even if you had a very good internet connection, the response would most likely still not be high enough to work quickly and efficiently. Everything the voice is supposed to say is calculated in the cloud and then played back. These high quality voices that are processed in the cloud were not designed for such deployments.

3. You can't just buy the Azure voices and use them at will. In the Azure cloud, everything is charged per performance, compute cores, queries, word count, etc. So depending on how you work it could get pretty expensive.

 

I hope I was able to explain it in an understandable way. If something is still unclear, just ask again.

 

Best regards

Ali

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDARemote question

Jim Noseworthy
 

Thanks Gene.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 12:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDARemote question

 

Hi Jim

 

There was a add on that come across the list that was updated to work with the latest beta it did install but have not had time to test it without another person. It was updated by another person on the list,

 

the drop box link to this add on is https://www.dropbox.com/s/mskfialqojj1abo/remote_2.3_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1

Not sure how long it will be before there is a updated version on the nvda remote website so either use one that works with earlier version of nvda or take this one for a test drive.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 6/06/2021 10:17 am, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hi Gang:

 

Is there a version of NVDARemote compatible with the new NVDA beta?

 

Thanks all over the place gang.

 


Re: NVDARemote question

Jim Noseworthy
 

Hi:

 

What is the other add-on?

 

Thanks all over the place.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 1:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDARemote question

 

Hi Jim

 

I just checked and the one on the official website where the add on is for nvda remote has not been updated yet to work with nvda 2021.1 yet so the other add on is the alternative for the moment until it is updated there on the website.

 

Gene nz

 

On 6/06/2021 10:17 am, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hi Gang:

 

Is there a version of NVDARemote compatible with the new NVDA beta?

 

Thanks all over the place gang.

 


the new voices for nvda

Bobby
 

Hay I was wondering why you got rid of the edward and klatt 6 voice?  I am very sad they are gone because they are the clearest voices I used in nvda.  I was wondering they will be back because they worked very well for me and they never broke up on me.  I was playing with the baita of nvda and was very upset to find all the new voices were gone.  Are they gone for good or will they come back again because I am very upset now.


Re: Farewell, NVDA community: retiring from NVDA contributions, effective September 1, 2021

Sharad Koirala
 

Good luck for your future.
Your a blessing to the NVDA community.

On 6/1/21, ely.r@comcast.net <ely.r@comcast.net> wrote:
Joseph,

This is a time when I wish I had come to know you in person. Have to say
that your personality often comes through in your many notes of direction
and support you have shared. Envy your move to graduate school. There was a
time when I felt it would be just fine to go on accumulating degrees as it
was wonderful learning and being a part of the community that grad school
seems to gather.



Best to you on your next adventure and thanks for all the solutions. Must
sometimes your solutions arrived before I knew there was an answer I would
shortly need.

Best,

Rick and General, guide dog extraordinaire



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Farewell, NVDA community: retiring from NVDA
contributions, effective September 1, 2021



Thank you very much for all you have done for NVDA. Without your add ons,
I'd not be able to do internet broadcasting, use Goldwave very well and many
many other things I do every day are using your contributions. I'll miss
your contributions much, but you'll keep on helping me every day with what
you have done. Good luck on your future endeavors.



Roger

























On 5/31/2021 11:44 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi NVDA users,

Update: just submitted last NVDA pull request for now.

In order to spend more time on transitioning to graduate school, I'm
retiring from NVDA code contributions, effective June 1, 2021. I'll still be
around to coordinate preparing add-ons for NVDA 2021.1 stable release, and
will provide leadership on add-ons community until then.

Thanks to everyone who sent encouragements, both on this thread and for the
last nine years. I'm more satisfied to hear how NVDA has made a difference
in a person's life, more than seeing people use what I have contributed:
improved touchscreen support, Windows 10 support (search suggestions, emoji
panel, clipboard history, supporting modern apps), playing sounds when
suggestions appear, toggling NVDA start and exit sounds, and others I lost
count. Through my add-ons, you have context-sensitive help on using
controls, much better touchscreen usage experience, resource usage
reporting, and the ability to keep up to date with add-ons. But these are
nothing compared to contributing to getting NVDA to help you unlock your
potential. I know that NVDA will make a huge difference in people's lives
for years to come; the true power and market share of NVDA is not the
download count but lives improved by it.

P.S. I will indeed post an update once Add-on Updater starts noticing new
versions of my add-ons.

Farewell, NVDA Users community. long live NVDA, NV Access, NVDA community!
Sincerely, Joseph

Joseph S. Lee Certified NVDA Expert, 2019 former Volunteer code contributor,
translator, community add-ons reviewer, NonVisual Desktop Access screen
reader project (June 2012 to May 2021)










--
Dr. Sharad Koirala
Lecturer
Department of Community Medicine
Gandaki Medical College, Pokhara, Nepal


Re: NVDARemote question

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Jim


I just checked and the one on the official website where the add on is for nvda remote has not been updated yet to work with nvda 2021.1 yet so the other add on is the alternative for the moment until it is updated there on the website.


Gene nz


On 6/06/2021 10:17 am, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hi Gang:

 

Is there a version of NVDARemote compatible with the new NVDA beta?

 

Thanks all over the place gang.

 


Re: NVDARemote question

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Jim


There was a add on that come across the list that was updated to work with the latest beta it did install but have not had time to test it without another person. It was updated by another person on the list,


the drop box link to this add on is https://www.dropbox.com/s/mskfialqojj1abo/remote_2.3_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1

Not sure how long it will be before there is a updated version on the nvda remote website so either use one that works with earlier version of nvda or take this one for a test drive.


Gene nz



On 6/06/2021 10:17 am, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hi Gang:

 

Is there a version of NVDARemote compatible with the new NVDA beta?

 

Thanks all over the place gang.

 


Re: Missing file help

 

Hi,

Ah, this is the 64-bit NVDA Controller library that is supposed to be used by third parties to communicate with NVDA about speech and braille output. I guess a third-party program such as TeamTalk might be complaining about this file.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Missing file help

 

On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 06:13 PM, Lexi wrote:
nvdaControllerClient64.dll
-
My system does not have this, either.  I have a fairly recent install of NVDA 2020.4 and only one or two add-ons installed so far.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


NVDARemote question

Jim Noseworthy
 

Hi Gang:

 

Is there a version of NVDARemote compatible with the new NVDA beta?

 

Thanks all over the place gang.

 


Missing file help

Lexi
 

Hello everyone, can someone please tell me where I can find this file? I've looked in the NVDA folder but I couldn't seem to find it. The file that I'm looking for is, nvdaControllerClient64.dll.--
Please be blessed and be safe. Thank you,
Lexi


Re: is there a tutorial to use NVDA with thunderbird email client

g melconian <gmelconian619@...>
 

Thanks Bryan,  for this one. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 8:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a tutorial to use NVDA with thunderbird email client

 

By the way, with regard to the Quick Folder Key Navigation Add-On, I strongly suggest getting this through Thunderbird's own add-on manager.  

Here's my own very brief tutorial on Thunderbird: Thunderbird Email Client Tutorial

I'd forgotten about having written that.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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