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Re: Extracting e-mail adddress from the following page

Sascha Cowley
 

Inspection of that page (with Firefox's page inspector and source view) reveals that there are no email addresses to extract


Extracting e-mail adddress from the following page

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

Please see the page at the below link.
https://web.cdslindia.com/myeasi/Resource/contact.htm


I believe the e-mail addresses have been given as images. NVDA OCR fails.

Anyone any ideas on how to get access to these e-mail addresses?

Pranav


Re: Looking for accessible video recording software that supports screen recording

 

does this program also support cutting some parts of video?
she uses the latest version of nvda,
and she needs one accessible and free program to use with nvda to
delete unnecessary parts of video files.

On 6/16/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, that has changed with obs 27. All of it is now accessible,
and you can even put in, if you know what you are doing, x y values to
place your elements. I didn't suggest that to the team, but I've been
tryign to work with them for a few years to get where we are.

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On 14 Jun 2021, at 8:39, Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías via groups.io
wrote:

Hi all.
Yes, the game bar of Windows10 is good for record a window.
Also, I use OBS Studio, an application open source. A part is
accessible with the sistem focus, in the part of choose a source
(select the screen, the camera, etc) you need use the object
navigation of NVDA.
Official website: https://obsproject.com

Regards.








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Re: Signal desktop

Olcay AŞCI
 

Hi,

Q1. Yes. To play the message, you can focus on the message in focus mode and use the tab button to focus on the play audio attachment button. Before pressing this button, you must change the NVDA speech mode; because NVDA constantly voices the current playProgress.
q2. For other file attachments such as links, images, you can download or navigate to the destination using similar methods.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 5:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Signal desktop

Thanks, for your reply.

Do you know, can nvda activate the audio message shared by others and listen to it?

Is it possible to share a file or read and download a file shared by others?


Olcay AŞCI 於 15/6/2021 17:24 寫道:
Hi,

If you need to use Signal Desktop to perform a task, it's possible. But Current experience is worse than Whatsapp app.
With the shortcut keys of the application, it becomes easier to focus on areas such as chat, message history and to perform some tasks; but even that doesn't save the situation from being completely bad.
Since each of the message history items is a separate focusable item, it is possible to navigate the messages with the arrow keys, while the tab key navigates over the messages instead of navigating between these sections. Areas that are not active in use are visible on the screen and there are a few key audio issues.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Signal desktop

Hello all,

Anyone has experience in using Signal desktop app with nvda?

I wanna know how is it working with nvda?

Thanks.














Re: Welsh language voices

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

I’m neither a speaker nor a learner of Welsh, but I could have sworn that there were at least two voices for Welsh, one from ESpeak NG and another from Acapella or another provider. Welsh has a challenging morphology, but I’ve seen screen readers conquer tonal languages and Semitic languages.

Ben

On Jun 14, 2021, at 23:16, Gloomy_Apple <jackie.ysbiwr@...> wrote:



   Not a Welsh native, but a learner. From what I see the situation looks quite sad. There used to be two Welsh voices from Ivona - Geraint and Gwyneth - in both a Welsh-language (South) and Welsh English version. I used to have them for a long time but then lost them irretrievably. Can't say a whole lot about how authentic their Welsh was, because mine was too much beginner at the time, but I think Ivona was generally fairly good at the linguistic aspect of their voices. Now that the company has been taken by Amazon years ago, the voices can be no longer purchased directly from them for Sapi5 though and are no longer supported. There are some places where you can get them, like from HarpoSoftware, but when I tried demos they seemed rather buggy.

   And then we have Espeak, which is not surprisingly not very authentic-sounding in Welsh at all. I guess I've once heard that there was a Welsh Festival voice but never heard it or tested it and I generally don't have much experience with Festival at all. And that's it, as far as I know.

   If someone else knows more, I'd be happy to hear as well.

   I am sort of silently hoping for CereProc to make the move now, as they are a Scottish company who have already created Scottish Gaelic and Irish Gaelic voices, as well as many regional dialect British voices so why not Welsh. As a North Welsh learner I think it would be particularly fun to have the voices for these two dialects, but that's probably a total utopia for now.

  

W dniu 15.06.2021 o 00:20, Louder Pages pisze:
Can one or two of the Welsh speakers in the group give me a quick summary of the state of play regarding voices for NVDA?  Quality, quantity.  North vs South.

Lovely language, used to speak a bit of it myself a long time ago.

- Mark


Re: Looking for accessible video recording software that supports screen recording

tim
 

Still needs a lot of work. Just using the defaults tabbing around does move but don't ever shift+tab or your blowing up all over the place. Also its error sometimes read and mostly don't.

The gamebar is still more accessible.



On 6/15/2021 6:59 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually, that has changed with obs 27. All of it is now accessible, and you can even put in, if you know what you are doing, x y values to place your elements. I didn't suggest that to the team, but I've been tryign to work with them for a few years to get where we are.

--

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to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.
Finally, you can support my work on happs, the network of now.

On 14 Jun 2021, at 8:39, Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías via groups.io wrote:

Hi all.
Yes, the game bar of Windows10 is good for record a window.
Also, I use OBS Studio, an application open source. A part is accessible with the sistem focus, in the part of choose a source (select the screen, the camera, etc) you need use the object navigation of NVDA.
Official website: https://obsproject.com

Regards.


Re: Signal desktop

William
 

Thanks, for your reply.

Do you know, can nvda activate the audio message shared by others and listen to it?

Is it possible to share a file or read and download a file shared by others?


Olcay AŞCI 於 15/6/2021 17:24 寫道:

Hi,

If you need to use Signal Desktop to perform a task, it's possible. But Current experience is worse than Whatsapp app.
With the shortcut keys of the application, it becomes easier to focus on areas such as chat, message history and to perform some tasks; but even that doesn't save the situation from being completely bad.
Since each of the message history items is a separate focusable item, it is possible to navigate the messages with the arrow keys, while the tab key navigates over the messages instead of navigating between these sections. Areas that are not active in use are visible on the screen and there are a few key audio issues.

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Digital Product Designer (Dijital Ürün Tasarımcısı) Vodafone Türkiye
En İyi Deneyim projesi yöneticisi ve sahibi
Takip edin:
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Signal desktop

Hello all,

Anyone has experience in using Signal desktop app with nvda?

I wanna know how is it working with nvda?

Thanks.













Re: JavaScript events related to Screen reader virtual cursor

Gene
 

No, that has nothing to do with whether the mouse moves.  Mouse tracking means that when you manually move the mouse, NVDA reads what is under the mouse when you move it to a new position.  That’s one way you can tell if the mouse moved where you want it to move.  I don’t know if announcements are always made, but its one way to check.
 
You must manually move the mouse.  The command is, using the default desktop layout, numpad insert numpad slash.  Hold numpad insert and press slash while doing so. 
 
There is no way to have the mouse move automatically.
 
Gene

-----Original message-----
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] JavaScript events related to Screen reader virtual cursor
 
Hi Jean,
 
Yes a sighted user would hover over the notification to keep it for longer.
 
I have set mouse tracking on, which I think is the way to tell NVDA to move mouse alongwith the browser mode focus. But mouse cursor does not move on majority of the places, that's what people tell me.
 
I have been using screen readers for little less than a year now, and probably do not know some commands and jargons very well, sorry for that.
 
Thanks,
Vaibhav
 
 
 
 
On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 00:51, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Evidently you are asking about moving through a web page and whether in browse mode, that causes java script events to occur.  In NVDA, Browse Mode is the name for what JAWS calls the Virtual PC Cursor.  I don’t know when, and how JAVA events may occur.  When I down arrow through a web page, on some pages, JAVA events occur that cause parts of the page to be shown that aren’t shown otherwise.  But whether there is any connection between this and what you are asking about, I don’t know.  But how do sighted people move in what you are describing?  Do they hover the mouse to cause what you want to happen?  If so, do you know how to move the mouse using NVDA?  Have you tried being on something on the page you are asking about and moving the mouse there? 
 
The mouse may not move there if you use the NVDA move mouse commands, on some web ppages, proper movement doesn’t occur but it often does. 
 
In summary, my questions are, how do sighted people keep the notifications on screen longer and can you do so by moving the mouse to the notification?
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] JavaScript events related to Screen reader virtual cursor
 
No, there is no way to know about virtual cursor position, especially if the mouse is not following the browse cursor. If you use the focus cursor then it will get events, as well as if the mouse moves in or out of the elements .
 
Jonathan
 

On Jun 15, 2021, at 12:31 PM, Vaibhav Saraf <vaibhav.s.acc@...> wrote:
 
Hi Community,
 
Folks at my organization are building a toast notification for something, I know they are not good friends for many of us, but that's a different part of the story as they are doing only for cosmetic updates.
 
The problem is that when I arrow over the notification and read it, it disappears while my virtual cursor is still on it. They have handled events to detect hover and focus to increase the timeout but nothing related to other key strokes.
 
Are there any JS events triggered by NVDA virtual cursor when on a page which can be handled to reset the timeout in such a case?

Thanks,
Vaibhav
 
 


Re: JavaScript events related to Screen reader virtual cursor

Vaibhav Saraf
 

Hi Jean,

Yes a sighted user would hover over the notification to keep it for longer.

I have set mouse tracking on, which I think is the way to tell NVDA to move mouse alongwith the browser mode focus. But mouse cursor does not move on majority of the places, that's what people tell me.

I have been using screen readers for little less than a year now, and probably do not know some commands and jargons very well, sorry for that.

Thanks,
Vaibhav


 

On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 00:51, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Evidently you are asking about moving through a web page and whether in browse mode, that causes java script events to occur.  In NVDA, Browse Mode is the name for what JAWS calls the Virtual PC Cursor.  I don’t know when, and how JAVA events may occur.  When I down arrow through a web page, on some pages, JAVA events occur that cause parts of the page to be shown that aren’t shown otherwise.  But whether there is any connection between this and what you are asking about, I don’t know.  But how do sighted people move in what you are describing?  Do they hover the mouse to cause what you want to happen?  If so, do you know how to move the mouse using NVDA?  Have you tried being on something on the page you are asking about and moving the mouse there? 
 
The mouse may not move there if you use the NVDA move mouse commands, on some web ppages, proper movement doesn’t occur but it often does. 
 
In summary, my questions are, how do sighted people keep the notifications on screen longer and can you do so by moving the mouse to the notification?
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] JavaScript events related to Screen reader virtual cursor
 
No, there is no way to know about virtual cursor position, especially if the mouse is not following the browse cursor. If you use the focus cursor then it will get events, as well as if the mouse moves in or out of the elements .
 
Jonathan
 

On Jun 15, 2021, at 12:31 PM, Vaibhav Saraf <vaibhav.s.acc@...> wrote:
 
Hi Community,
 
Folks at my organization are building a toast notification for something, I know they are not good friends for many of us, but that's a different part of the story as they are doing only for cosmetic updates.
 
The problem is that when I arrow over the notification and read it, it disappears while my virtual cursor is still on it. They have handled events to detect hover and focus to increase the timeout but nothing related to other key strokes.
 
Are there any JS events triggered by NVDA virtual cursor when on a page which can be handled to reset the timeout in such a case?

Thanks,
Vaibhav
 
 


Re: Welsh language voices

Louder Pages
 

Thanks.  Looks like there is not a huge demand given the response from this group. 

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Re: Accessible Soundboard Application

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm actually not sure. It might, but you migh twant ot ask on the reapers list we have on groups.io.

Take care

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On 15 Jun 2021, at 12:03, Chris Smart wrote:

I'm not sure. I have Reaper, and it does seem capable of just about anything...

On 2021-06-15 3:01 p.m., Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:

Will Reaper do this?

Ben

On Jun 15, 2021, at 06:23, Chris Smart ve3rwj@... wrote:

Does anyone know of a soundboard application that is accessible with NVDA?

A soundboard is usually a program that allows someone to have many little audio clips cued up and assigned to hotkeys, so they can be played instantly when their hotkey is pushed.

It would be even better if said hotkeys were available globally.


Re: Looking for accessible video recording software that supports screen recording

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually, that has changed with obs 27. All of it is now accessible, and you can even put in, if you know what you are doing, x y values to place your elements. I didn't suggest that to the team, but I've been tryign to work with them for a few years to get where we are.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.
Finally, you can support my work on happs, the network of now.

On 14 Jun 2021, at 8:39, Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías via groups.io wrote:

Hi all.
Yes, the game bar of Windows10 is good for record a window.
Also, I use OBS Studio, an application open source. A part is accessible with the sistem focus, in the part of choose a source (select the screen, the camera, etc) you need use the object navigation of NVDA.
Official website: https://obsproject.com

Regards.


Re: Looking for accessible video recording software that supports screen recording

Sarah k Alawami
 

Look for obs. I use this every time I record/stream a video and it has helped, a lot. I'm using it now to record screen caps of bugs I find in a piece of software the dev is working to make accessible.;

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to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.
Finally, you can support my work on happs, the network of now.

On 12 Jun 2021, at 9:51, Cuong Dang Manh wrote:

Debut Video Capcha: https://debut-video-capture.en.softonic.com/

This is a pay software. By the way, I also want to have a free one too so I appreciated with any of your help.

Cuong

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On 6/12/2021 11:49 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi all,

I want to make videos for posting on youtube. I however need accessible
software that will allow me to record my voice and to show what is happening
on the screen.

Can anyone suggest such a program? Open source or free is better but I am
willing to pay.
Pranav


Re: JavaScript events related to Screen reader virtual cursor

Gene
 

Evidently you are asking about moving through a web page and whether in browse mode, that causes java script events to occur.  In NVDA, Browse Mode is the name for what JAWS calls the Virtual PC Cursor.  I don’t know when, and how JAVA events may occur.  When I down arrow through a web page, on some pages, JAVA events occur that cause parts of the page to be shown that aren’t shown otherwise.  But whether there is any connection between this and what you are asking about, I don’t know.  But how do sighted people move in what you are describing?  Do they hover the mouse to cause what you want to happen?  If so, do you know how to move the mouse using NVDA?  Have you tried being on something on the page you are asking about and moving the mouse there? 
 
The mouse may not move there if you use the NVDA move mouse commands, on some web ppages, proper movement doesn’t occur but it often does. 
 
In summary, my questions are, how do sighted people keep the notifications on screen longer and can you do so by moving the mouse to the notification?
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] JavaScript events related to Screen reader virtual cursor
 
No, there is no way to know about virtual cursor position, especially if the mouse is not following the browse cursor. If you use the focus cursor then it will get events, as well as if the mouse moves in or out of the elements .
 
Jonathan
 

On Jun 15, 2021, at 12:31 PM, Vaibhav Saraf <vaibhav.s.acc@...> wrote:
 
Hi Community,
 
Folks at my organization are building a toast notification for something, I know they are not good friends for many of us, but that's a different part of the story as they are doing only for cosmetic updates.
 
The problem is that when I arrow over the notification and read it, it disappears while my virtual cursor is still on it. They have handled events to detect hover and focus to increase the timeout but nothing related to other key strokes.
 
Are there any JS events triggered by NVDA virtual cursor when on a page which can be handled to reset the timeout in such a case?

Thanks,
Vaibhav
 
 


Re: Accessible Soundboard Application

 

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 03:03 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
I have Reaper, and it does seem capable of just about anything...
-
And it also has it's own Groups.io Group dedicated to users of Reaper who use screen readers:  Reapers Without Peepers

Their main page also includes information about downloading Osara as well as the typical list of group email addresses.
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      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Accessible Soundboard Application

Chris Smart
 

I'm not sure. I have Reaper, and it does seem capable of just about anything...

On 2021-06-15 3:01 p.m., Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
Will Reaper do this?

Ben

On Jun 15, 2021, at 06:23, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:

Does anyone know of a soundboard application that is accessible with NVDA?


A soundboard is usually a program that allows someone to have many little audio clips cued up and assigned to hotkeys, so they can be played instantly when their hotkey is pushed.

It would be even better if said hotkeys were available globally.










Re: Accessible Soundboard Application

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

Will Reaper do this?

Ben

On Jun 15, 2021, at 06:23, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:

Does anyone know of a soundboard application that is accessible with NVDA?


A soundboard is usually a program that allows someone to have many little audio clips cued up and assigned to hotkeys, so they can be played instantly when their hotkey is pushed.

It would be even better if said hotkeys were available globally.








Re: JavaScript events related to Screen reader virtual cursor

Jonathan COHN
 

No, there is no way to know about virtual cursor position, especially if the mouse is not following the browse cursor. If you use the focus cursor then it will get events, as well as if the mouse moves in or out of the elements .

Jonathan


On Jun 15, 2021, at 12:31 PM, Vaibhav Saraf <vaibhav.s.acc@...> wrote:

Hi Community,

Folks at my organization are building a toast notification for something, I know they are not good friends for many of us, but that's a different part of the story as they are doing only for cosmetic updates.

The problem is that when I arrow over the notification and read it, it disappears while my virtual cursor is still on it. They have handled events to detect hover and focus to increase the timeout but nothing related to other key strokes. 

Are there any JS events triggered by NVDA virtual cursor when on a page which can be handled to reset the timeout in such a case?

Thanks,
Vaibhav



JavaScript events related to Screen reader virtual cursor

Vaibhav Saraf
 

Hi Community,

Folks at my organization are building a toast notification for something, I know they are not good friends for many of us, but that's a different part of the story as they are doing only for cosmetic updates.

The problem is that when I arrow over the notification and read it, it disappears while my virtual cursor is still on it. They have handled events to detect hover and focus to increase the timeout but nothing related to other key strokes. 

Are there any JS events triggered by NVDA virtual cursor when on a page which can be handled to reset the timeout in such a case?

Thanks,
Vaibhav


Re: Looking for newest vocalizer driver

cédric Paulet
 

Good morning,

What are the links for the drivers of vocalizer expressive and vocalizer 2 compatibles with nvda 2021.1?
And what are the links for the latest voices for vocalizer expressive?
Thank you
Best regards
Cedric

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Rui Fontes
Envoyé : samedi 29 août 2020 12:53
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Looking for newest vocalizer driver

Hi!


The latest one is at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon


But, your problem do not appear to be caused by our driver...

Can you specify better your problem with the Mozilla apps?


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.




Às 10:37 de 29/08/2020, Anne Günther escreveu:
Hi
I finally updated my nvda. While "Vocalizer" works in general Nvda
freezes completely in firefox as well as Thunderbird. I got the link
to the driver from a message in this list from Febrauary. So I'm
hoping there's a newer version where things work once more fine.
regards, Guenni



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