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Re: Remote pointer for controling presentations

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Eilana,

 

A random thought, could you reassign the gestures nvda uses for PowerPoint and see what happens?

 

Pranav


Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

Rowen Cary
 

I don’t like the surround, but I respect your preference. I have seen this add-on on Github, but I need to look for it further.


Re: NVDA add-on for Audible Windows app

George McCoy
 

Try using object navigation to move between the buttons.

On 6/18/2021 1:17 PM, Blake Roberts via groups.io wrote:
Hi,

I am a new member to the NVDA email list. I have been using NVDA for years. Does an NVDA add-on exist to make the Audible for Windows app more useable with NVDA? Presently when I load the Audible app for Windows, NVDA is silent when I tab through the buttons. Someone created scripts for JAWS which makes Audible easier to use with that screen reader. I'm wondering if an NVDA add-on has been created to make Audible program more accessible when I use it with NVDA. I searched the NVDA add-ons repository and am not finding what I seek. Any help would be appreciated.


Blake Roberts





Re: Accessible bible software with NVDA

 

See this topic, EveningDew Bible Software, that dates from 2019.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Accessible bible software with NVDA

Marco Oros
 

Hello.

This is very interesting topic. Please, do You know those software?

Thank You.


Dňa 19. 6. 2021 o 14:12 Cristina Ebetiuc napísal(a):

Good afternoon!

Can you recommand me a bible studying Software which is accessible with NVDA, please?

Thank you in Advance!

Regards

Julia

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 


Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

Gene
 

I wrote what I did because I didn’t know there was a way to enable rapping and I wanted to encourage getting used to the other way.  I also wrote it to express my opinion about what may be disadvantages in too much automation.  Others may disagree and I’m not telling other people how to do things.  but I’m expressing my opinion so others can consider it and whether they might wat to try not having rap if they use it. 
 
Also, I raised a question about rapping, given the rather new way of having pages change with use, which wasn’t a feature of web pages when rapping was introduced.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys
 

> It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc.

 

I respect that and this may be your preference. However, having a toggle would allow you to continue to enjoy doing things the way you like doing them and would also give others the freedom to navigate with the wrap feature enabled. JAWS enables this by default but contains a toggle for users who don’t like it. I was unaware that third-party addons existed to facilitate this. I will investigate them and will also encourage the developers of these addons to consider having them approved by the addons community which will make them easier to locate. I personally prefer to download NVDA addons from the official repository.

 

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 10:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

NVDA has no such setting.  I think that, after a short time, you may get used to this not occurring and it will fade away to a minor annoyance or perhaps none. 

 

And at times, I consider it an advantage not to have rap.  Let’s say I am going downa page looking for something.  I want to see if I’ve found all the relevant headings or buttons or whatever I’m looking for because I’m not sure which one I want to use.  If I find what I want near the bottom of the page, then have a rap occur, I am once again at the top of the page.  It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc.  Then I can work with the last item if it’s the one I want or I can move backwards to the one I want which may be far closer to the bottom of the page than the top. 

 

While I don’t have a strong feeling about this, I think page rap is an example of too much automation which creates as much or more inconvenience than it tries to eliminate. 

 

And another question occurred to me just now.  Does rap cause improper jumping back to the tops of pages in today’s environment?  Many pages change these days as you move through them.  they display more of the page as you move down.  This is to accommodate portable devices.

 

My question is, say you are moving down a page by heading or by a control such as by button.  Does rap cause the screen-reader to rap to the top before the page changes and appear to show that you reached the end of the page when you actually didn’t?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

Hi all,

When I am navigating a web page with quick navigation keys (H for headings, E for edit fields, etc.), when I get past the last of these on a page, it does not wrap back to the top of the page. With JAWS, it wraps around and I find this useful. Is there some setting I can change to make it wrap around?

Thanks,

David

 

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 01:17 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:
build 19043.105
-
I presume you mean dot 1052.

In any case:

1. Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10

and if that doesn't work:

2. Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file

All it takes is some small something to "be off" in Windows itself, that whatever program depends upon (whether that's Edge or something else), for weirdness to ensue.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

David Goldfield
 

> It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc. 

 

I respect that and this may be your preference. However, having a toggle would allow you to continue to enjoy doing things the way you like doing them and would also give others the freedom to navigate with the wrap feature enabled. JAWS enables this by default but contains a toggle for users who don’t like it. I was unaware that third-party addons existed to facilitate this. I will investigate them and will also encourage the developers of these addons to consider having them approved by the addons community which will make them easier to locate. I personally prefer to download NVDA addons from the official repository.

 

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 10:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

NVDA has no such setting.  I think that, after a short time, you may get used to this not occurring and it will fade away to a minor annoyance or perhaps none. 

 

And at times, I consider it an advantage not to have rap.  Let’s say I am going downa page looking for something.  I want to see if I’ve found all the relevant headings or buttons or whatever I’m looking for because I’m not sure which one I want to use.  If I find what I want near the bottom of the page, then have a rap occur, I am once again at the top of the page.  It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc.  Then I can work with the last item if it’s the one I want or I can move backwards to the one I want which may be far closer to the bottom of the page than the top. 

 

While I don’t have a strong feeling about this, I think page rap is an example of too much automation which creates as much or more inconvenience than it tries to eliminate. 

 

And another question occurred to me just now.  Does rap cause improper jumping back to the tops of pages in today’s environment?  Many pages change these days as you move through them.  they display more of the page as you move down.  This is to accommodate portable devices.

 

My question is, say you are moving down a page by heading or by a control such as by button.  Does rap cause the screen-reader to rap to the top before the page changes and appear to show that you reached the end of the page when you actually didn’t?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

Hi all,

When I am navigating a web page with quick navigation keys (H for headings, E for edit fields, etc.), when I get past the last of these on a page, it does not wrap back to the top of the page. With JAWS, it wraps around and I find this useful. Is there some setting I can change to make it wrap around?

Thanks,

David

 

 


BRAILLE OUTPUT TABLE

Richard Bartholomew
 

Hi,

 

Using NVDA 2020.4, I’ve just switched over to the UK 8-dot computer code Braille table and notice that the plus sign is being displayed as dots 2,3,6 rather than 2,3,5.  Dots 2,3,6 depict the less than sign and this is correctly being shown for < as well as the one in error!

 

What do I do, please, to get this error fixed?

 

Regards

Richard Bartholomew

 

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

Blake Roberts
 

The strange  behavior described by others regarding the context menu being problematic occurs for me even though I'm running the most recent version of Microsoft Edge, 91.0.864.54. And yes, I pressed the *down* arrow not up arrow. I'm running Windows 10 21H1 OS build 19043.105.


Blake



On 6/19/2021 12:29 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 12:14 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
In my case I can't down arrow to what I need it just gos out of the menu.
-
That's the behavior I'm seeing as well.  But "sighted guy hair splitting":  it never goes in to the context menu to begin with.  The menu appears, but focus is not given to it, so you get some "interesting" behavior on the web page that underlays the context menu when you start arrowing around, too.

I do not recall this behavior having been present in the past, and have to believe it's come in after Version 2004, but I'm not sure when.  If someone happens to be on Version 2004, would you test what you get in Edge when a context menu is popped up in the context of reading a webpage when NVDA is active?  Also, if it's not misbehaving, make note of what version of Edge you're running.

In my case I'm Win10 Version 21H1 with Edge version 91.0.864.48.

Interestingly, when I went to check version Edge was due to be updated, and it has been to Edge Version 91.0.864.54.  After this update, the behavior changes in that if I hit SHIFT+F10 to bring up a context menu hitting down arrow does bring me into that menu with focus on the first item at the top.  That's the only way to get in, though, if you use up arrow hoping to enter from the bottom and the last item, that doesn't work.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 12:14 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
In my case I can't down arrow to what I need it just gos out of the menu.
-
That's the behavior I'm seeing as well.  But "sighted guy hair splitting":  it never goes in to the context menu to begin with.  The menu appears, but focus is not given to it, so you get some "interesting" behavior on the web page that underlays the context menu when you start arrowing around, too.

I do not recall this behavior having been present in the past, and have to believe it's come in after Version 2004, but I'm not sure when.  If someone happens to be on Version 2004, would you test what you get in Edge when a context menu is popped up in the context of reading a webpage when NVDA is active?  Also, if it's not misbehaving, make note of what version of Edge you're running.

In my case I'm Win10 Version 21H1 with Edge version 91.0.864.48.

Interestingly, when I went to check version Edge was due to be updated, and it has been to Edge Version 91.0.864.54.  After this update, the behavior changes in that if I hit SHIFT+F10 to bring up a context menu hitting down arrow does bring me into that menu with focus on the first item at the top.  That's the only way to get in, though, if you use up arrow hoping to enter from the bottom and the last item, that doesn't work.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

Brian Sackrider
 

In my case I can't down arrow to what I need it just gos out of the menu.

Brian Sackrider

On 6/19/2021 10:13 AM, tim wrote:
Now sometimes the list don't speak, but can always arrow down to what I need. Ben that way for the past year with NVDA and every update to current with all browsers.

So would say check your resolution Be surprised how much a change there will play with screen readers in the browser.




On 6/18/2021 11:04 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
        When I press shift 10 in the edge brouser to actavate the context menu it does not read it and I am not able to down arrow through the menu.  I have tried to do this with brouse mode both on and off.  I have also tried narator and I got the same results.  I have called the microsoft accessability answer desk and my case has been escelated.  When they remoted my pc using quick assist they were able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  My sighted friend tried to open the context menu in edge with no screen reader turned on and he was able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  I only have this issue with the edge brouser and not with any other brouser.  If I use ie chrome or fire fox I am able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  It's seems that edge is not recignizing the shift 10 command.  Could it be a problem with the ui not being programed to recignize this command?  Microsoft does need to fix this problem before they turn off ie for good.

Brian Sackrider








problems with vocalizer expressive for NVDA website and downloads

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 

 

Hi

 

When I've tried to download voices from vocalizer expressive for NVDA, or the driver, nothing happened when pressing Enter on the download link or button.

@Rui Fontes do you know something about it?

People also have this issue?

 

Thanks

Afik

 

 

נשלח מהאפליקציה 'דואר' עבור Windows 10

 


Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 11:01 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
not agreeing with Brian in this feature is not good...
-
I expressed no opinion whatsoever about the wraparound feature.  That was Gene.

Any feature that can be toggled on and off is "good" as far as I'm concerned.  It can be made available, or not, to suit the individual user.  And that's whether said feature is a part of the screen reader core code or implemented via add-on.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

Rui Fontes
 

What I mean is that is good not agreeing with Brian in this feature is not good...


Rui Fontes


Às 15:38 de 19/06/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:23 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
I do not agree with you
-
And I do not agree with you, but do agree with Gene.

Gene is correct that NVDA proper has no such setting.  You are correct that NVDA add-ons (both of which appear to be "home grown" ones not listed on the community add-ons page) exist to support this function.

NVDA itself doesn't support this.  It is supported under NVDA via add-ons.  That may seem like hair-splitting, but it's not.  The same can be said of different things under JAWS that are supported via scripts.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:23 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
I do not agree with you
-
And I do not agree with you, but do agree with Gene.

Gene is correct that NVDA proper has no such setting.  You are correct that NVDA add-ons (both of which appear to be "home grown" ones not listed on the community add-ons page) exist to support this function.

NVDA itself doesn't support this.  It is supported under NVDA via add-ons.  That may seem like hair-splitting, but it's not.  The same can be said of different things under JAWS that are supported via scripts.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

Rui Fontes
 

I do not agree with you, but that is good! 😊


There are, at least, two add-ons to implement that feature in NVDA:

screenRapping:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v9nmgco223zh0th/screenRapping_1.4_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


and NVDA ExtensionGlobal:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyapinicjfcfnuo/NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin_9.8-dev17_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


Rui Fontes



Às 15:08 de 19/06/2021, Gene escreveu:

NVDA has no such setting.  I think that, after a short time, you may get used to this not occurring and it will fade away to a minor annoyance or perhaps none. 
 
And at times, I consider it an advantage not to have rap.  Let’s say I am going downa page looking for something.  I want to see if I’ve found all the relevant headings or buttons or whatever I’m looking for because I’m not sure which one I want to use.  If I find what I want near the bottom of the page, then have a rap occur, I am once again at the top of the page.  It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc.  Then I can work with the last item if it’s the one I want or I can move backwards to the one I want which may be far closer to the bottom of the page than the top. 
 
While I don’t have a strong feeling about this, I think page rap is an example of too much automation which creates as much or more inconvenience than it tries to eliminate. 
 
And another question occurred to me just now.  Does rap cause improper jumping back to the tops of pages in today’s environment?  Many pages change these days as you move through them.  they display more of the page as you move down.  This is to accommodate portable devices.
 
My question is, say you are moving down a page by heading or by a control such as by button.  Does rap cause the screen-reader to rap to the top before the page changes and appear to show that you reached the end of the page when you actually didn’t?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys
 

Hi all,

When I am navigating a web page with quick navigation keys (H for headings, E for edit fields, etc.), when I get past the last of these on a page, it does not wrap back to the top of the page. With JAWS, it wraps around and I find this useful. Is there some setting I can change to make it wrap around?

Thanks,

David

 

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

tim
 

Now sometimes the list don't speak, but can always arrow down to what I need. Ben that way for the past year with NVDA and every update to current with all browsers.

So would say check your resolution Be surprised how much a change there will play with screen readers in the browser.

On 6/18/2021 11:04 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
        When I press shift 10 in the edge brouser to actavate the context menu it does not read it and I am not able to down arrow through the menu.  I have tried to do this with brouse mode both on and off.  I have also tried narator and I got the same results.  I have called the microsoft accessability answer desk and my case has been escelated.  When they remoted my pc using quick assist they were able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  My sighted friend tried to open the context menu in edge with no screen reader turned on and he was able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  I only have this issue with the edge brouser and not with any other brouser.  If I use ie chrome or fire fox I am able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  It's seems that edge is not recignizing the shift 10 command.  Could it be a problem with the ui not being programed to recignize this command?  Microsoft does need to fix this problem before they turn off ie for good.

Brian Sackrider





Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

Gene
 

NVDA has no such setting.  I think that, after a short time, you may get used to this not occurring and it will fade away to a minor annoyance or perhaps none. 
 
And at times, I consider it an advantage not to have rap.  Let’s say I am going downa page looking for something.  I want to see if I’ve found all the relevant headings or buttons or whatever I’m looking for because I’m not sure which one I want to use.  If I find what I want near the bottom of the page, then have a rap occur, I am once again at the top of the page.  It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc.  Then I can work with the last item if it’s the one I want or I can move backwards to the one I want which may be far closer to the bottom of the page than the top. 
 
While I don’t have a strong feeling about this, I think page rap is an example of too much automation which creates as much or more inconvenience than it tries to eliminate. 
 
And another question occurred to me just now.  Does rap cause improper jumping back to the tops of pages in today’s environment?  Many pages change these days as you move through them.  they display more of the page as you move down.  This is to accommodate portable devices.
 
My question is, say you are moving down a page by heading or by a control such as by button.  Does rap cause the screen-reader to rap to the top before the page changes and appear to show that you reached the end of the page when you actually didn’t?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys
 

Hi all,

When I am navigating a web page with quick navigation keys (H for headings, E for edit fields, etc.), when I get past the last of these on a page, it does not wrap back to the top of the page. With JAWS, it wraps around and I find this useful. Is there some setting I can change to make it wrap around?

Thanks,

David

 

 


Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

David Kingsbury
 

Hi all,

When I am navigating a web page with quick navigation keys (H for headings, E for edit fields, etc.), when I get past the last of these on a page, it does not wrap back to the top of the page. With JAWS, it wraps around and I find this useful. Is there some setting I can change to make it wrap around?

Thanks,

David

 

 

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