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Re: Websites that determine where NVDA starts at
On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 10:41 AM, Gene wrote:
If people are discussing a problem on a web site, they should copy the link to the page from the address bar and paste it into the message so we don’t have to search for the site and also so we know we are on the page you are discussing.- I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated before the membership finally starts doing it, but I'm repeating it because it is an absolute must, unless such page happens to be behind a login, like a banking page. It is impossible to give accurate answers with insufficient premises to work on. And, by the way, that's not a complaint about the title. It would be hard to come up with a pinpoint description of the issue, but the issue itself was described just fine in the original message. What's missing is "the exact where," which is what's needed. Those asking about issues with a specific webpage should put that webpage URL in their first message about said issues. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Websites that determine where NVDA starts at
Gene
Having now found and gone to the home page of the site you mention, I am
not moved to the privacy link. Are you working with the home page?
There is a search field on the page but you don’t tell us which page you are
working with. I don’t know if I am looking at the same page.
If people are discussing a problem on a web site, they should copy the link
to the page from the address bar and paste it into the message so we don’t have
to search for the site and also so we know we are on the page you are
discussing.
Once we know what page is being discussed, I hope people will see if they
have this problem. We need to see if it is a general problem or a problem
you are having for some reason that doesn’t affect others.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 8:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] Websites that determine where NVDA starts
at Hi
all, I apologise for the rather clunky and undescriptive subject line! I have found several websites shift the NVDA cursor to the website's privacy settings link when the page loads. I experience this most with the Sainsbury's supermarket website. after I have searched for an item and added it to my basket, when I return to the search page, NVDA gets repositioned to the Heding 3 that is We value your privacy, which is right at the bottom of the webpage, with only the Cookie Settings links below it. Of course it's easy to press CTRL+Home to jump straight back up to the top of the webpage, but I find it a pain when I have to do it thirty times during the course of doing my weekly shop. I can't remember off the top of my head, which other websites have this behaviour, but it is quite a few. Simple question ... is there any way to stop a website from doing this to NVDA, or any NVDA setting that can stop this happening? I am using NVDA 2020.4 and it is happening with Firefox 89.0.1 and also in Chrome. Thanks, Giles
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Re: Websites that determine where NVDA starts at
Gene
I doubt it. this sounds to me like a misapplication of JAVA
script. when it is used properly to move to a position, it performs tasks
like automatically place the user in the search field when on the google search
page. This sounds like some illogical behavior, dreamed up by who knows
who for who knows what reason.
I wonder what the most efficient way is to deal with the problem. Are
there any add-ons for NVDA that allow you to specify a place on the page you can
return to with one command? it sounds as though you want to return to the
edit field.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 8:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] Websites that determine where NVDA starts
at Hi
all, I apologise for the rather clunky and undescriptive subject line! I have found several websites shift the NVDA cursor to the website's privacy settings link when the page loads. I experience this most with the Sainsbury's supermarket website. after I have searched for an item and added it to my basket, when I return to the search page, NVDA gets repositioned to the Heding 3 that is We value your privacy, which is right at the bottom of the webpage, with only the Cookie Settings links below it. Of course it's easy to press CTRL+Home to jump straight back up to the top of the webpage, but I find it a pain when I have to do it thirty times during the course of doing my weekly shop. I can't remember off the top of my head, which other websites have this behaviour, but it is quite a few. Simple question ... is there any way to stop a website from doing this to NVDA, or any NVDA setting that can stop this happening? I am using NVDA 2020.4 and it is happening with Firefox 89.0.1 and also in Chrome. Thanks, Giles
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Adobe Acrobat Reader DC and Latest NVDA Beta?
Wow. When I launch Acrobat I hear the NVDA error sound multiple times in quick succession. The log shows many entries like the following:
ERROR - RPC process 10784 (AcroRd32.exe) (10:06:56.088) - Dummy-26 (13792): Thread 12332, build\x86\remote\COMProxyRegistration.cpp, registerCOMProxy, 182: Unable to register interface ISimpleDOMDocument with proxy stub ISimpleDOM.dll, code -2147023156 There are dozens of those in my log. Anyone else have a similar experience? Chris
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Websites that determine where NVDA starts at
Hi all, I apologise for the rather clunky and undescriptive subject line!
I have found several websites shift the NVDA cursor to the website's privacy settings link when the page loads. I experience this most with the Sainsbury's supermarket website. after I have searched for an item and added it to my basket, when I return to the search page, NVDA gets repositioned to the Heding 3 that is We value your privacy, which is right at the bottom of the webpage, with only the Cookie Settings links below it. Of course it's easy to press CTRL+Home to jump straight back up to the top of the webpage, but I find it a pain when I have to do it thirty times during the course of doing my weekly shop. I can't remember off the top of my head, which other websites have this behaviour, but it is quite a few. Simple question ... is there any way to stop a website from doing this to NVDA, or any NVDA setting that can stop this happening? I am using NVDA 2020.4 and it is happening with Firefox 89.0.1 and also in Chrome. Thanks, Giles
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Re: IBM tts driver eliquence add on nvda 2021.
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Re: Remote pointer for controling presentations
Luke Davis
You would be best looking for a programmable pointer of some sort.
When I have to give public presentations, I use a Pageflip Dragonfly quad pedal. This is a bluetooth device that sits on the floor, and is controlled with your foot. Mainly intended for musicians with digital music displays (such as Onsong on an iPad), but can be used with anything that accepts a bluetooth keyboard. The Windows based programming interface was not very accessible, but with object nav I was able to get one of its profiles set to send the correct arrow keys for previous and next navigation with two of its pedals, and its two other pedals set to volume up and down. I don't know if looking for a pointer that can send the right keys out of the box will work for you, but looking for one that can send whatever you set it too, might be a solution. Also, you might look into remapping some of NVDA's keys to have the effect you want, through the emulated system keyboard keys section of input gestures. Luke
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Re: Remote pointer for controling presentations
Eilana Benish
Hello everybody here is some update Well, after doing some research on this topic, we have found that there are remote pointers that triggers different keyboard keys. some remote pointers triggers the left or right arrow keys, some triggers the space bar, enter and page up or down. It is difficult to find which one triggers which keys… I hope to find the one that would trigger the space bar, enter and page up or down keys. בתאריך שבת, 19 ביוני 2021 ב-7:06 מאת Eilana Benish via groups.io <benish.ilana=gmail.com@groups.io>:
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Acapela TTS Voices for NVDA 1.7 Released: Compatible With NVDA 2021.1
David Goldfield
Release of Acapela TTS Voices for NVDA 1.7 Compatible with NVDA 2021.1
Added voices in Colibri: Louise (French Canada) , Hanna and Hanus (Faroese) ,Biera and Elle (Sami)
Added voices in HQ: Merel & Thijs (Dutch), Hanna & Hanus (Faroese), Louise (Canadian French), Elise & Valentin (French), Jonas & Lea (German), (Elias & Emilie (Norwegian), Isabel (Portuguese), Filip & Freja (Swedish)
Removed voices in HQ: Celia (Portuguese)
This entry was posted in release on June 14, 2021 by paolo.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io
From: tech-vi@groups.io <tech-vi@groups.io> On Behalf Of
David Goldfield
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 11:39 PM To: tech-vi@groups.io Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] For NVDA Users: Update to Acapela Voices: Release of Acapela TTS Voices for NVDA V1.7: Compatible With NVDA 2021.1
Release of Acapela TTS Voices for NVDA 1.7Compatible with NVDA 2021.1 Added voices in Colibri: Louise (French Canada) , Hanna and Hanus (Faroese) ,Biera and Elle (Sami) Added voices in HQ: Merel & Thijs (Dutch), Hanna & Hanus (Faroese), Louise (Canadian French), Elise & Valentin (French), Jonas & Lea (German), (Elias & Emilie (Norwegian), Isabel (Portuguese), Filip & Freja (Swedish) Removed voices in HQ: Celia (Portuguese) This entry was posted in release on June 14, 2021.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io
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Re: Remote pointer for controling presentations
Hi Eilana,
A random thought, could you reassign the gestures nvda uses for PowerPoint and see what happens?
Pranav
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Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys
Rowen Cary
I don’t like the surround, but I respect your preference. I have seen this add-on on Github, but I need to look for it further.
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Re: NVDA add-on for Audible Windows app
George McCoy
Try using object navigation to move between the buttons.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 6/18/2021 1:17 PM, Blake Roberts via groups.io wrote:
Hi,
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Re: Accessible bible software with NVDA
See this topic, EveningDew Bible Software, that dates from 2019.
-- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Accessible bible software with NVDA
Hello. This is very interesting topic. Please, do You know those software? Thank You.
Dňa 19. 6. 2021 o 14:12 Cristina
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Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys
Gene
I wrote what I did because I didn’t know there was a way to enable rapping
and I wanted to encourage getting used to the other way. I also wrote it
to express my opinion about what may be disadvantages in too much
automation. Others may disagree and I’m not telling other people how to do
things. but I’m expressing my opinion so others can consider it and
whether they might wat to try not having rap if they use it.
Also, I raised a question about rapping, given the rather new way of having
pages change with use, which wasn’t a feature of web pages when rapping was
introduced.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From:
David Goldfield
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav
Keys > It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc.
I respect that and this may be your preference. However, having a toggle would allow you to continue to enjoy doing things the way you like doing them and would also give others the freedom to navigate with the wrap feature enabled. JAWS enables this by default but contains a toggle for users who don’t like it. I was unaware that third-party addons existed to facilitate this. I will investigate them and will also encourage the developers of these addons to consider having them approved by the addons community which will make them easier to locate. I personally prefer to download NVDA addons from the official repository.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
NVDA has no such setting. I think that, after a short time, you may get used to this not occurring and it will fade away to a minor annoyance or perhaps none.
And at times, I consider it an advantage not to have rap. Let’s say I am going downa page looking for something. I want to see if I’ve found all the relevant headings or buttons or whatever I’m looking for because I’m not sure which one I want to use. If I find what I want near the bottom of the page, then have a rap occur, I am once again at the top of the page. It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc. Then I can work with the last item if it’s the one I want or I can move backwards to the one I want which may be far closer to the bottom of the page than the top.
While I don’t have a strong feeling about this, I think page rap is an example of too much automation which creates as much or more inconvenience than it tries to eliminate.
And another question occurred to me just now. Does rap cause improper jumping back to the tops of pages in today’s environment? Many pages change these days as you move through them. they display more of the page as you move down. This is to accommodate portable devices.
My question is, say you are moving down a page by heading or by a control such as by button. Does rap cause the screen-reader to rap to the top before the page changes and appear to show that you reached the end of the page when you actually didn’t?
Gene -----Original Message----- From: David Kingsbury Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:46 AM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys
Hi all, When I am navigating a web page with quick navigation keys (H for headings, E for edit fields, etc.), when I get past the last of these on a page, it does not wrap back to the top of the page. With JAWS, it wraps around and I find this useful. Is there some setting I can change to make it wrap around? Thanks, David
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Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 01:17 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:
build 19043.105- I presume you mean dot 1052. In any case: 1. Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10 and if that doesn't work: 2. Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file All it takes is some small something to "be off" in Windows itself, that whatever program depends upon (whether that's Edge or something else), for weirdness to ensue. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys
David Goldfield
> It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc.
I respect that and this may be your preference. However, having a toggle would allow you to continue to enjoy doing things the way you like doing them and would also give others the freedom to navigate with the wrap feature enabled. JAWS enables this by default but contains a toggle for users who don’t like it. I was unaware that third-party addons existed to facilitate this. I will investigate them and will also encourage the developers of these addons to consider having them approved by the addons community which will make them easier to locate. I personally prefer to download NVDA addons from the official repository.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 10:08 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys
NVDA has no such setting. I think that, after a short time, you may get used to this not occurring and it will fade away to a minor annoyance or perhaps none.
And at times, I consider it an advantage not to have rap. Let’s say I am going downa page looking for something. I want to see if I’ve found all the relevant headings or buttons or whatever I’m looking for because I’m not sure which one I want to use. If I find what I want near the bottom of the page, then have a rap occur, I am once again at the top of the page. It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc. Then I can work with the last item if it’s the one I want or I can move backwards to the one I want which may be far closer to the bottom of the page than the top.
While I don’t have a strong feeling about this, I think page rap is an example of too much automation which creates as much or more inconvenience than it tries to eliminate.
And another question occurred to me just now. Does rap cause improper jumping back to the tops of pages in today’s environment? Many pages change these days as you move through them. they display more of the page as you move down. This is to accommodate portable devices.
My question is, say you are moving down a page by heading or by a control such as by button. Does rap cause the screen-reader to rap to the top before the page changes and appear to show that you reached the end of the page when you actually didn’t?
Gene -----Original Message----- From: David Kingsbury Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:46 AM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys
Hi all, When I am navigating a web page with quick navigation keys (H for headings, E for edit fields, etc.), when I get past the last of these on a page, it does not wrap back to the top of the page. With JAWS, it wraps around and I find this useful. Is there some setting I can change to make it wrap around? Thanks, David
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BRAILLE OUTPUT TABLE
Richard Bartholomew
Hi,
Using NVDA 2020.4, I’ve just switched over to the UK 8-dot computer code Braille table and notice that the plus sign is being displayed as dots 2,3,6 rather than 2,3,5. Dots 2,3,6 depict the less than sign and this is correctly being shown for < as well as the one in error!
What do I do, please, to get this error fixed?
Regards Richard Bartholomew
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Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
Blake Roberts <BEarlRoberts@...>
The strange behavior described by others regarding the context menu being problematic occurs for me even though I'm running the most recent version of Microsoft Edge, 91.0.864.54. And yes, I pressed the *down* arrow not up arrow. I'm running Windows 10 21H1 OS build 19043.105.
Blake
On 6/19/2021 12:29 PM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 12:14 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
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Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 12:14 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
In my case I can't down arrow to what I need it just gos out of the menu.- That's the behavior I'm seeing as well. But "sighted guy hair splitting": it never goes in to the context menu to begin with. The menu appears, but focus is not given to it, so you get some "interesting" behavior on the web page that underlays the context menu when you start arrowing around, too. I do not recall this behavior having been present in the past, and have to believe it's come in after Version 2004, but I'm not sure when. If someone happens to be on Version 2004, would you test what you get in Edge when a context menu is popped up in the context of reading a webpage when NVDA is active? Also, if it's not misbehaving, make note of what version of Edge you're running. In my case I'm Win10 Version 21H1 with Edge version 91.0.864.48. Interestingly, when I went to check version Edge was due to be updated, and it has been to Edge Version 91.0.864.54. After this update, the behavior changes in that if I hit SHIFT+F10 to bring up a context menu hitting down arrow does bring me into that menu with focus on the first item at the top. That's the only way to get in, though, if you use up arrow hoping to enter from the bottom and the last item, that doesn't work. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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