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Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,


I'm in total agreement with you here. What if a person is on an unfamiliar page and he or she doesn't know what to look for? If I know what I'm looking for, then I'll use the find command but that doesn't always work. For instance, when I go to the Heart of the Nation site to hear the Catholic Mass online, I use the elements list with insert f-7 and hit S to find Sunday Mass. I don't know why this person is so obsessed with the find command. Like the old saying goes, there's more than one way to skin a cat. I won't say anything more.


Rosemarie



On 6/21/2021 8:15 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:58 AM, Gene wrote:
which adds support to my opinion that it is at times, perhaps more than realized, better to use find or to move by heading or other ways directly on the web page.
-
Gene, I really have no idea why it obsesses you so how any given individual user attempts to navigate a page.

Some people, and many of whom are likely to have been JAWS users, simply like the elements dialog which is as close as you get to the links dialog under JAWS.

Any page that has 4400-plus links is not going to be easily navigated, period.  Most web designers would never even begin to think of putting that many links on a single page.  This particular page was not designed either for beauty or efficiency, but is just a massive list of links arranged in very large chunks, alphabetically, depending on what the title of the movie happens to be.

You know how much I happen to like screen reader find and the use of the various quick navigation options, but others simply don't.  There is no right or wrong way here, simply the one that one prefers.  And if you're aware that you're going to have to wait for some seconds on pages with way, way, way more links than is typical for NVDA to build the elements list, and make that choice, there's nothing wrong with that choice.
--

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Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 11:27 AM, Gene wrote:
I’m raising the question of whether people running far less powerful machines have delays when opening the dialog. 
-
Answered, don'tcha think?   Less powerful machines are not likely to perform better overall, are they?  This is not even something that I'd believe any computer user of more than a few months experience would doubt.  Some things really do go without saying.

Essentially, the original questioner's query has been answered and each person can make their own choice in light of the information shared.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Gene
 

It doesn’t obsess me.  You are running a powerful computer and it took a long time.  I’m raising the question of whether people running far less powerful machines have delays when opening the dialog. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information
 
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:58 AM, Gene wrote:
which adds support to my opinion that it is at times, perhaps more than realized, better to use find or to move by heading or other ways directly on the web page.
-
Gene, I really have no idea why it obsesses you so how any given individual user attempts to navigate a page.

Some people, and many of whom are likely to have been JAWS users, simply like the elements dialog which is as close as you get to the links dialog under JAWS.

Any page that has 4400-plus links is not going to be easily navigated, period.  Most web designers would never even begin to think of putting that many links on a single page.  This particular page was not designed either for beauty or efficiency, but is just a massive list of links arranged in very large chunks, alphabetically, depending on what the title of the movie happens to be.

You know how much I happen to like screen reader find and the use of the various quick navigation options, but others simply don't.  There is no right or wrong way here, simply the one that one prefers.  And if you're aware that you're going to have to wait for some seconds on pages with way, way, way more links than is typical for NVDA to build the elements list, and make that choice, there's nothing wrong with that choice.
--

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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: windows 11

 

Dennis,

I am going to do the best I can to answer your question before locking this thread, as I am not going to let any discussion of the purported Windows 11 get going on this group.

What some are insisting will be revealed as Windows 11 on June 24th is, in reality, no matter how it's branded, nothing more than what had been scheduled and developed as Windows 10, Version 20H2.  It's been developed as the next Windows 10 feature update, it's been in the hands of Windows Insiders for a while and with the expectation that it would be the next feature update.

Even if this does turn out, via marketing puffery, to be rebranded as Windows 11 it is simply the next update of Windows 10 under another guise, and will almost certainly be delivered like all regular feature updates have been - via Windows Update.

This topic is now locked.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:58 AM, Gene wrote:
which adds support to my opinion that it is at times, perhaps more than realized, better to use find or to move by heading or other ways directly on the web page.
-
Gene, I really have no idea why it obsesses you so how any given individual user attempts to navigate a page.

Some people, and many of whom are likely to have been JAWS users, simply like the elements dialog which is as close as you get to the links dialog under JAWS.

Any page that has 4400-plus links is not going to be easily navigated, period.  Most web designers would never even begin to think of putting that many links on a single page.  This particular page was not designed either for beauty or efficiency, but is just a massive list of links arranged in very large chunks, alphabetically, depending on what the title of the movie happens to be.

You know how much I happen to like screen reader find and the use of the various quick navigation options, but others simply don't.  There is no right or wrong way here, simply the one that one prefers.  And if you're aware that you're going to have to wait for some seconds on pages with way, way, way more links than is typical for NVDA to build the elements list, and make that choice, there's nothing wrong with that choice.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked windows 11

dennis huckle
 

I learned from this list a few weeks ago that windows 11 is soon to be upon us.

Although some on other lists dispute that this will be called windows 11.

The main question is will the current version of nvda work with this update of windows or will the new version be the road to go down and when can we expect this to come out of bita testing.

Any guidance from yourselves would be helpful.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Gene
 

which adds support to my opinion that it is at times, perhaps more than realized, better to use find or to move by heading or other ways directly on the web page.  It is now being demonstrated that the move by dialog is inefficient under certain conditions.  It raises the question of whether it is inefficient on smaller pages on less powerful machines.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information
 
And I just tested out the page Giles offered (for which I thank you) on my machine, an HP Envy 15 TS laptop with an i7-4700MQ processor, 16GB RAM, and an SSD, and it took NVDA about 8 seconds to present the Elements List for that page.  That's a definitely noticeable pause between hitting INS+F7 and the resulting dialog being presented.

So, it does appear that it takes a few seconds for NVDA to do the work of constructing the elements list on pages that have far higher than typical numbers of elements on them.  And I imagine the length of time will be at least somewhat dependent on the processing power of your machine and the amount of RAM you have more so than the drive type, though even that has the potential to factor in.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

 

And I just tested out the page Giles offered (for which I thank you) on my machine, an HP Envy 15 TS laptop with an i7-4700MQ processor, 16GB RAM, and an SSD, and it took NVDA about 8 seconds to present the Elements List for that page.  That's a definitely noticeable pause between hitting INS+F7 and the resulting dialog being presented.

So, it does appear that it takes a few seconds for NVDA to do the work of constructing the elements list on pages that have far higher than typical numbers of elements on them.  And I imagine the length of time will be at least somewhat dependent on the processing power of your machine and the amount of RAM you have more so than the drive type, though even that has the potential to factor in.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Community Add-Ons: Compatibility Status Page with NVDA 2021.1 - Please Consult It First #adminnotice

 

Joseph Lee very kindly made the readership aware of this page on June 1, 2021.  Here is a repeat of his message:
----
Hello NVDA users,
 
Many of you are wondering about whether or not your favorite NVDA add-ons will be ready for NVDA 2021.1. To answer this question, the add-ons community has prepared a status page listing add-ons hosted on community add-ons website and their NVDA 2021.1 compatibility status:
 
 
Note that things can change without notice, and the page does not include newly added add-ons; add-ons added to community add-ons website in recent days will be included in the status page soon. Also, I have asked the add-ons community to update this document from time to time whenever backwards incompatible NVDA version enters beta testing phase (I myself will contribute to this document if my add-ons do become compatible with future NVDA releases; I might not be able to update add-ons in a timely manner while taking graduate courses).
 
As always, feedback about add-ons should be sent to add-on authors.
 
Thanks.
----

And I previously noted, on June 8th:

If the add-on you have a question about is not part of the community add-ons page, but is maintained by a third-party, whether that's a company or individual, please direct questions regarding compatibility of these add-ons with NVDA 2021.1 to their respective maintainers.  They are the only sources who can give you accurate information about their update/maintenance plans for these add-ons.

If you have information about a third-party or "home grown" add-on being released in a version that is compatible with NVDA 2020.1 after having actually received confirmation of this from its developer, please feel free to share.  Also, if a developer tells you a compatible version will not be released, this is useful information for the readership to have.  But please consult the above noted page for the compatibility status of Community Add-Ons.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi Louise,

yes, I have seen this sort of behaviour. One of the websites that has links to audio-described movies, https://jeff.tdrealms.com/Described_Movies.md has 4412 links. If you use NVDA+F7 to open up the list of links, it remains quiet on my fairly-quick laptop for about 10 seconds while it generates the list.

There are, on average, around 150 movies beginning with each letter of the alphabet, hence the large number of items.

I am only giving the web address, given the backlash when I didn't include it regarding my Sainsbury's website post earlier, so that others can check it out if it needs verifying. I am not expressing an opinion on whether audio-described movies should be downloaded. And, as with most things, other audio-described movie websites are available ;)

I'm using NVDA 2020.4 on Windows 10, and using Firefox 89.0.1.

Giles


Re: Websites that determine where NVDA starts at

Gene
 

You should be able to solve the problem by causing the page you want to work with to open in a new window.  For example, when you are using search, write the search item and instead of pressing enter, press shift enter.  That opens the results page in a new window.  When you have finished working with it, close the new window with alt f4.  You are now back on the page where you were and you should be in exactly the same place you were because the page has been opened all the time in another window and you did nothing to change your position.
 
I can’t test that here because I don’t see the banner, looking at the page from the United states, but whatever the cause, this method should work around the problem.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Websites that determine where NVDA starts at
 
I apologise for not specifying the exact page. It is https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/

I notice it when I activate Groceries, which seems to change the page but the address remains as https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/

I think it is exactly what Chris says, the EU's GDPR banner seizing focus. If I search for an item and then add it to my basket, then go back to the main Groceries page, the focus jumps to the GDPR banner about cookies, which appears right at the bottom of the page.

As I say, it's not a major hastle to jump back to the top of the page or to press shift+e to jump to the previous search field, it's just an annoyance to be taken down to that cookie banner every time I have to go back to that page. Anybody who also pays attention to the TAVIP blind computer discussion  group will also recall that Sainsbury's have been messing around with their website, but they have been listening to difficulties that TAVIP members have expressed, which is good to hear.

Giles


Re: Having trouble with outlook while using NVDA.

Crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
 

Have you tried reinstalling nvda at all? 




On Monday, June 21, 2021, 09:15, Naveen Kumar M <naveen.m@...> wrote:

Dear Quentin,

 

Recently I have installed MS office 2019. If I open any mails which has meeting request in outlook app, outlook is automatically getting restart. This issue I having only while NVDA or Narrator running in my system. If I open meeting request mails in outlook app while JAWS is running, I am able to open without any issues. This issue 3 members are facing in my organization. Please let me know what I can do for this issue. Even if I open the meeting requests mail without screen reader, I am not facing any issue. My colleagues tried re installing the office 2019 as well as 2016. But, still the issue hasn’t resolved. Our IT team also tried their level best. But, they couldn’t.

 

Looking forward to your response,

 

Regards,

Naveen M

 

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Re: Websites that determine where NVDA starts at

Giles Turnbull
 

I apologise for not specifying the exact page. It is https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/

I notice it when I activate Groceries, which seems to change the page but the address remains as https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/

I think it is exactly what Chris says, the EU's GDPR banner seizing focus. If I search for an item and then add it to my basket, then go back to the main Groceries page, the focus jumps to the GDPR banner about cookies, which appears right at the bottom of the page.

As I say, it's not a major hastle to jump back to the top of the page or to press shift+e to jump to the previous search field, it's just an annoyance to be taken down to that cookie banner every time I have to go back to that page. Anybody who also pays attention to the TAVIP blind computer discussion  group will also recall that Sainsbury's have been messing around with their website, but they have been listening to difficulties that TAVIP members have expressed, which is good to hear.

Giles


Having trouble with outlook while using NVDA.

Naveen Kumar M
 

Dear Quentin,

 

Recently I have installed MS office 2019. If I open any mails which has meeting request in outlook app, outlook is automatically getting restart. This issue I having only while NVDA or Narrator running in my system. If I open meeting request mails in outlook app while JAWS is running, I am able to open without any issues. This issue 3 members are facing in my organization. Please let me know what I can do for this issue. Even if I open the meeting requests mail without screen reader, I am not facing any issue. My colleagues tried re installing the office 2019 as well as 2016. But, still the issue hasn’t resolved. Our IT team also tried their level best. But, they couldn’t.

 

Looking forward to your response,

 

Regards,

Naveen M

 

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Re: NVDA Remote - Frequent disconnects and freezing

anthony borg
 

Hi since I updated to the latest NVDA version, some add-ons are incompatable, one of the them is the NVDA remote.
Is there any other new add-on available and from where I can get it please?
Thanks in advance

Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: 21 June 2021 02:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

I go direct. Only my iPhone and iPad and Echo devices use wi-fi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote


Well dodgy net connections could be this issue.
Overloaded lines etc.
Even though I have fibre, these days especially the net is really used.
Sometimes my echo responces take 20 seconds to come accross.
Data can take some time to get from place to place.
I have had a few things like that.
I am still getting the data at the right speed but its all from outside.
I suspect because of covid among other things the international
networks are just getting used.
So much of the net depends on cloud infrastructure well.
If thats not the case either of you could be using wrong channels for
wireless.
You can get an idea of what everyone uses with something like
wifiinfoview from nersoft.
You will have to change your channels on your router yourself, they
are all different.
Then there is the placement of wireless hardware.
I have laptops and so do others I remote for.
Laptops are fine, but if you have a desktop and use a standard
internal card, depending where the unit is or even where the card is
you can get poor quality.
On a desktop I used the unit was close but under a desk under the user
the wireless card was at the bottem of the case and that was enough to
really play havoc with audio.
The user changed to a usb dongle placed on top of the same unit and
there was no issue after that.
If you do not use fibre, the same thing could apply with cable.
If you still use copper then they are not as strong as fibre, I used
to get noisy lines and broken connections needing someone to fix more
often than I would care for.
When I got the latest one 2 years back the isp simply switched me to
fibre and I got a better plan and that be it.
If you happen to use mobile wireless broadband signals and congestion
can vary widely.

On 21/06/2021, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@comcast.net> wrote:
What would cause the addon to frequently disconnect? it is fine on my
pc
to laptop. I was working with a friend in Kentucky and we worked for over
three hours because it kept disconnecting.Sometimes it would freeze if I
stopped to speak to the client about something. I say freeze because it
did
not give the disconnect tone but I still could not do anything from my
end
but the client still had access.
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Re: BRAILLE OUTPUT TABLE

Richard Bartholomew
 

Hi, Quentin

 

Thanks for taking a look and pointing me in the right direction. The issue you mentioned doesn’t seem to be the same as it looks as though it involves back-translation so I’ve created a new one – if I’ve done things correctly! 😊

 

Thanks again

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 21 June 2021 05:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] BRAILLE OUTPUT TABLE

 

Hi Richard,

 

NVDA uses LibLouis for its braille tables.  I did find this issue on the LIbLous GitHub page mentioning plus signs in the UK tables.  The issue is open and I'm not 100% clear if the issue is the same as yours, but it might be worth you commenting on it to ensure the problem is documented or clarified: https://github.com/liblouis/liblouis/issues/972

 

If you're not familiar with GitHub, it is a website where open source projects like NVDA and LibLouis can store their code, track issues (which might be bugs, such as this one, or suggestions for new features), and where people can submit ideas or code updates.

 

NVDA also has a GitHub repository, and you can find our issues here: https://github.com/liblouis/liblouis/issues/972

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 3:26 AM Richard Bartholomew <rlbart53@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

Using NVDA 2020.4, I’ve just switched over to the UK 8-dot computer code Braille table and notice that the plus sign is being displayed as dots 2,3,6 rather than 2,3,5.  Dots 2,3,6 depict the less than sign and this is correctly being shown for < as well as the one in error!

 

What do I do, please, to get this error fixed?

 

Regards

Richard Bartholomew

 

 


 

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Re: NVDA Remote - Frequent disconnects and freezing

 

What about your friend?

Is he direct to?

To test connection.

https://install.speedtest.net/app/cli/ookla-speedtest-1.0.0-win64.zip

or

https://install.speedtest.net/app/cli/ookla-speedtest-1.0.0-win32.zip


Extract the file, and from a command prompt do the following.

1. navigate to the directory your speedtest is in this is usually my downloads folder.

Command prompt usually starts in your user folder so cd .\downloads

then type

speedtest -p n

where p is progress output and n is none.

Final download and upload speed should be the same as your net connection is.

So for example mine is a 25mmb up and 100mb plan down so 100-104-108mb down by between 19.00-20.00 if on wireless to 25.00 up.

Your jitter and latency time should be low and your packet loss should be 0.

If you are rural you may only have 20mb down 10 mb up or if in a really remote location between 5-3-1mb down and anything from 0.7mb up to 3 or so up maybe.

Your friend needs to do the same.

Does this happen with anything else.

If you have fibre this should all work.

If its outside like some of my stuff is then there isn't much you can do about fixing it.

On 21/06/2021 12:49 pm, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
I go direct. Only my iPhone and iPad and Echo devices use wi-fi.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote


Well dodgy net connections could be this issue.
Overloaded lines etc.
Even though I have fibre, these days especially the net is really used.
Sometimes my echo responces take 20 seconds to come accross.
Data can take some time to get from place to place.
I have had a few things like that.
I am still getting the data at the right speed but its all from outside.
I suspect because of covid among other things the international
networks are just getting used.
So much of the net depends on cloud infrastructure well.
If thats not the case either of you could be using wrong channels for wireless.
You can get an idea of what everyone uses with something like
wifiinfoview from nersoft.
You will have to change your channels on your router yourself, they
are all different.
Then there is the placement of wireless hardware.
I have laptops and so do others I remote for.
Laptops are fine, but if you have a desktop and use a standard
internal card, depending  where the unit is or even where the card is
you can get poor quality.
On a desktop I used the unit was close but under a desk under the user
the wireless card was at the bottem of the case and that was enough to
really play havoc with audio.
The user changed to a usb dongle placed on top of the same unit and
there was no issue after that.
If you do not use fibre, the same thing could apply with cable.
If you still use copper then they are not as strong as fibre, I used
to get noisy lines and broken connections needing someone to fix more
often than I would care for.
When I got the latest one 2 years back the isp simply switched me to
fibre and I got a better plan and that be it.
If you happen to use mobile wireless broadband signals and congestion
can vary widely.

On 21/06/2021, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@comcast.net> wrote:
    What would cause the addon to frequently disconnect? it is fine on my pc
to laptop. I was working with a friend in Kentucky and we worked for over
three hours because it kept disconnecting.Sometimes it would freeze if I
stopped to speak to the client about something. I say freeze because it did
not give the disconnect tone but I still could not do anything from my end
but the client still had access.
*********
family Times weekly Movie times


go to Doc's Stream
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3
Ask Miss A to play family times on tuneIn
You can also find family times on OoTunes.

Get the stream guide:
http://www.wrighthere.net/FamilyTimes/playingnow.html
********


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Re: BRAILLE OUTPUT TABLE

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Richard,

NVDA uses LibLouis for its braille tables.  I did find this issue on the LIbLous GitHub page mentioning plus signs in the UK tables.  The issue is open and I'm not 100% clear if the issue is the same as yours, but it might be worth you commenting on it to ensure the problem is documented or clarified: https://github.com/liblouis/liblouis/issues/972

If you're not familiar with GitHub, it is a website where open source projects like NVDA and LibLouis can store their code, track issues (which might be bugs, such as this one, or suggestions for new features), and where people can submit ideas or code updates.

NVDA also has a GitHub repository, and you can find our issues here: https://github.com/liblouis/liblouis/issues/972

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 3:26 AM Richard Bartholomew <rlbart53@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

Using NVDA 2020.4, I’ve just switched over to the UK 8-dot computer code Braille table and notice that the plus sign is being displayed as dots 2,3,6 rather than 2,3,5.  Dots 2,3,6 depict the less than sign and this is correctly being shown for < as well as the one in error!

 

What do I do, please, to get this error fixed?

 

Regards

Richard Bartholomew

 

 



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Re: NVDA Remote - Frequent disconnects and freezing

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I go direct. Only my iPhone and iPad and Echo devices use wi-fi.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote


Well dodgy net connections could be this issue.
Overloaded lines etc.
Even though I have fibre, these days especially the net is really used.
Sometimes my echo responces take 20 seconds to come accross.
Data can take some time to get from place to place.
I have had a few things like that.
I am still getting the data at the right speed but its all from outside.
I suspect because of covid among other things the international
networks are just getting used.
So much of the net depends on cloud infrastructure well.
If thats not the case either of you could be using wrong channels for wireless.
You can get an idea of what everyone uses with something like
wifiinfoview from nersoft.
You will have to change your channels on your router yourself, they
are all different.
Then there is the placement of wireless hardware.
I have laptops and so do others I remote for.
Laptops are fine, but if you have a desktop and use a standard
internal card, depending where the unit is or even where the card is
you can get poor quality.
On a desktop I used the unit was close but under a desk under the user
the wireless card was at the bottem of the case and that was enough to
really play havoc with audio.
The user changed to a usb dongle placed on top of the same unit and
there was no issue after that.
If you do not use fibre, the same thing could apply with cable.
If you still use copper then they are not as strong as fibre, I used
to get noisy lines and broken connections needing someone to fix more
often than I would care for.
When I got the latest one 2 years back the isp simply switched me to
fibre and I got a better plan and that be it.
If you happen to use mobile wireless broadband signals and congestion
can vary widely.

On 21/06/2021, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@comcast.net> wrote:
What would cause the addon to frequently disconnect? it is fine on my pc
to laptop. I was working with a friend in Kentucky and we worked for over
three hours because it kept disconnecting.Sometimes it would freeze if I
stopped to speak to the client about something. I say freeze because it did
not give the disconnect tone but I still could not do anything from my end
but the client still had access.
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Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
 

No. Not in particular. 

On Jun 20, 2021, at 18:19, Louise Pfau <lpfau@...> wrote:

Hi.  I was trying to browse through the list of authors under W on Project Gutenburg using the NVDA 2020.4 elements list, and it didn’t announce that it was open.  I don’t know if this is because it was trying to process a large quantity of information.  This might happen on other websites, so the subject line wasn’t specific to 1 website.  I googled Project Gutenburg, since the shortcut I had in my favourites was out-of-date.  Has anyone else come across something like this with other sites?
 
Thanks,
 
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