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Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Is Compatible with NVDA 2021.1

Gerardo Corripio
 

In browsing the NVDA compatibility site given earlier today, I see no mention of state of if Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Expressive Voices version3, with NVDA21.1? How's the state of these?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


Re: Community Add-Ons: Compatibility Status Page with NVDA 2021.1 - Please Consult It First #adminnotice

anthony borg
 

Thanks for that message.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 21 June 2021 16:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Community Add-Ons: Compatibility Status Page with NVDA 2021.1 - Please Consult It First #adminnotice

 

Joseph Lee very kindly made the readership aware of this page on June 1, 2021.  Here is a repeat of his message:
----

Hello NVDA users,

 

Many of you are wondering about whether or not your favorite NVDA add-ons will be ready for NVDA 2021.1. To answer this question, the add-ons community has prepared a status page listing add-ons hosted on community add-ons website and their NVDA 2021.1 compatibility status:

 

 

Note that things can change without notice, and the page does not include newly added add-ons; add-ons added to community add-ons website in recent days will be included in the status page soon. Also, I have asked the add-ons community to update this document from time to time whenever backwards incompatible NVDA version enters beta testing phase (I myself will contribute to this document if my add-ons do become compatible with future NVDA releases; I might not be able to update add-ons in a timely manner while taking graduate courses).

 

As always, feedback about add-ons should be sent to add-on authors.

 

Thanks.

----

And I previously noted, on June 8th:

If the add-on you have a question about is not part of the community add-ons page, but is maintained by a third-party, whether that's a company or individual, please direct questions regarding compatibility of these add-ons with NVDA 2021.1 to their respective maintainers.  They are the only sources who can give you accurate information about their update/maintenance plans for these add-ons.

If you have information about a third-party or "home grown" add-on being released in a version that is compatible with NVDA 2020.1 after having actually received confirmation of this from its developer, please feel free to share.  Also, if a developer tells you a compatible version will not be released, this is useful information for the readership to have.  But please consult the above noted page for the compatibility status of Community Add-Ons.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Luke Davis
 

Would it be helpful to have NVDA say "building elements list", or the progress beeps, or similar while this is happening?

Luke


Re: Websites that determine where NVDA starts at

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 12:49 PM, Clive May wrote:
Just click the "I accept" cookie button and the behaviour will go away - at least, for that session and that particular page. 
-
Just be aware that if you are someone who is routinely clearing cookies, this behavior will come back, as it's cookies that are used to keep track of whether you've agreed to accept cookies or not.

I sometimes prefer that these dialogs are modal, as they force a choice to be made and then don't come back again until or unless you clear cookies.  
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Websites that determine where NVDA starts at

Clive May <clive.may@...>
 

Hi


Just click the "I accept" cookie button and the behaviour will go away - at least, for that session and that particular page. 

On 21/06/2021 15:01, Gene wrote:
You should be able to solve the problem by causing the page you want to work with to open in a new window.  For example, when you are using search, write the search item and instead of pressing enter, press shift enter.  That opens the results page in a new window.  When you have finished working with it, close the new window with alt f4.  You are now back on the page where you were and you should be in exactly the same place you were because the page has been opened all the time in another window and you did nothing to change your position.
 
I can’t test that here because I don’t see the banner, looking at the page from the United states, but whatever the cause, this method should work around the problem.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Websites that determine where NVDA starts at
 
I apologise for not specifying the exact page. It is https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/

I notice it when I activate Groceries, which seems to change the page but the address remains as https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/

I think it is exactly what Chris says, the EU's GDPR banner seizing focus. If I search for an item and then add it to my basket, then go back to the main Groceries page, the focus jumps to the GDPR banner about cookies, which appears right at the bottom of the page.

As I say, it's not a major hastle to jump back to the top of the page or to press shift+e to jump to the previous search field, it's just an annoyance to be taken down to that cookie banner every time I have to go back to that page. Anybody who also pays attention to the TAVIP blind computer discussion  group will also recall that Sainsbury's have been messing around with their website, but they have been listening to difficulties that TAVIP members have expressed, which is good to hear.

Giles


Re: Need help on downloading braille display driver

 

The only thing I can suggest is having a look at this page:  https://www.morandomatteo.com/tiemanoptalec-voyager/2015/12/17/40/ 

 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Need help on downloading braille display driver

 

Hi all
A friend ask me to help him to find driver for his braille display. He gave me a link point to an issue on NVDA, which contain download link for the driver, but that link is no longer work so I share that info here. Hope some of you know this display, and help him.
Link to the issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/1586
Device name: Tieman Optelec
Missing Driver: Braille Voyager
Serial number: 0409V44R0355
I don't have much expirience about braille display, and now he is too far from me so I just ask him the info above, and send here. If you need more infor, live a reply, and I ask him.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong


Re: NVDA Remote - Frequent disconnects and freezing

tim
 

Ok what kind of connection? A 200 or less or a 20mb download line?

The 20mb down line are more freequent for drops then a 200mb down.

A DSL line is the worst for anything unless after midnight.

On 6/20/2021 8:49 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
I go direct. Only my iPhone and iPad and Echo devices use wi-fi.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote


Well dodgy net connections could be this issue.
Overloaded lines etc.
Even though I have fibre, these days especially the net is really used.
Sometimes my echo responces take 20 seconds to come accross.
Data can take some time to get from place to place.
I have had a few things like that.
I am still getting the data at the right speed but its all from outside.
I suspect because of covid among other things the international
networks are just getting used.
So much of the net depends on cloud infrastructure well.
If thats not the case either of you could be using wrong channels for wireless.
You can get an idea of what everyone uses with something like
wifiinfoview from nersoft.
You will have to change your channels on your router yourself, they
are all different.
Then there is the placement of wireless hardware.
I have laptops and so do others I remote for.
Laptops are fine, but if you have a desktop and use a standard
internal card, depending  where the unit is or even where the card is
you can get poor quality.
On a desktop I used the unit was close but under a desk under the user
the wireless card was at the bottem of the case and that was enough to
really play havoc with audio.
The user changed to a usb dongle placed on top of the same unit and
there was no issue after that.
If you do not use fibre, the same thing could apply with cable.
If you still use copper then they are not as strong as fibre, I used
to get noisy lines and broken connections needing someone to fix more
often than I would care for.
When I got the latest one 2 years back the isp simply switched me to
fibre and I got a better plan and that be it.
If you happen to use mobile wireless broadband signals and congestion
can vary widely.

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    What would cause the addon to frequently disconnect? it is fine on my pc
to laptop. I was working with a friend in Kentucky and we worked for over
three hours because it kept disconnecting.Sometimes it would freeze if I
stopped to speak to the client about something. I say freeze because it did
not give the disconnect tone but I still could not do anything from my end
but the client still had access.
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Re: Websites that determine where NVDA starts at

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,
Most of these  privacy notices have links or buttons in them to either accept or not accept cookies. Once you have this configured, the dialog should pretty much go away. The EU does require that it be fairly easy to change your choices in the  future, and I am not sure about how most web site developers are handling that. Be glad they are not marking the dialog up as being "modal" meaning that you can't exit the dialog until you make a choice.
Jonathan Cohn 



On Jun 21, 2021, at 09:49, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:

I apologise for not specifying the exact page. It is https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/

I notice it when I activate Groceries, which seems to change the page but the address remains as https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/

I think it is exactly what Chris says, the EU's GDPR banner seizing focus. If I search for an item and then add it to my basket, then go back to the main Groceries page, the focus jumps to the GDPR banner about cookies, which appears right at the bottom of the page.

As I say, it's not a major hastle to jump back to the top of the page or to press shift+e to jump to the previous search field, it's just an annoyance to be taken down to that cookie banner every time I have to go back to that page. Anybody who also pays attention to the TAVIP blind computer discussion  group will also recall that Sainsbury's have been messing around with their website, but they have been listening to difficulties that TAVIP members have expressed, which is good to hear.

Giles


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Gene
 

I am not writing to get into a debate with you about this but I will say, in order that what I'm saying be accurately understood that I did not limit myself to discussing the find command.  In my first message, I specifically discussed moving in other ways such as move by heading or by heading level.  I am not obsessed with the find command. 


Gene

On 6/21/2021 10:31 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Brian,


I'm in total agreement with you here. What if a person is on an unfamiliar page and he or she doesn't know what to look for? If I know what I'm looking for, then I'll use the find command but that doesn't always work. For instance, when I go to the Heart of the Nation site to hear the Catholic Mass online, I use the elements list with insert f-7 and hit S to find Sunday Mass. I don't know why this person is so obsessed with the find command. Like the old saying goes, there's more than one way to skin a cat. I won't say anything more.


Rosemarie



On 6/21/2021 8:15 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:58 AM, Gene wrote:
which adds support to my opinion that it is at times, perhaps more than realized, better to use find or to move by heading or other ways directly on the web page.
-
Gene, I really have no idea why it obsesses you so how any given individual user attempts to navigate a page.

Some people, and many of whom are likely to have been JAWS users, simply like the elements dialog which is as close as you get to the links dialog under JAWS.

Any page that has 4400-plus links is not going to be easily navigated, period.  Most web designers would never even begin to think of putting that many links on a single page.  This particular page was not designed either for beauty or efficiency, but is just a massive list of links arranged in very large chunks, alphabetically, depending on what the title of the movie happens to be.

You know how much I happen to like screen reader find and the use of the various quick navigation options, but others simply don't.  There is no right or wrong way here, simply the one that one prefers.  And if you're aware that you're going to have to wait for some seconds on pages with way, way, way more links than is typical for NVDA to build the elements list, and make that choice, there's nothing wrong with that choice.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,


I'm in total agreement with you here. What if a person is on an unfamiliar page and he or she doesn't know what to look for? If I know what I'm looking for, then I'll use the find command but that doesn't always work. For instance, when I go to the Heart of the Nation site to hear the Catholic Mass online, I use the elements list with insert f-7 and hit S to find Sunday Mass. I don't know why this person is so obsessed with the find command. Like the old saying goes, there's more than one way to skin a cat. I won't say anything more.


Rosemarie



On 6/21/2021 8:15 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:58 AM, Gene wrote:
which adds support to my opinion that it is at times, perhaps more than realized, better to use find or to move by heading or other ways directly on the web page.
-
Gene, I really have no idea why it obsesses you so how any given individual user attempts to navigate a page.

Some people, and many of whom are likely to have been JAWS users, simply like the elements dialog which is as close as you get to the links dialog under JAWS.

Any page that has 4400-plus links is not going to be easily navigated, period.  Most web designers would never even begin to think of putting that many links on a single page.  This particular page was not designed either for beauty or efficiency, but is just a massive list of links arranged in very large chunks, alphabetically, depending on what the title of the movie happens to be.

You know how much I happen to like screen reader find and the use of the various quick navigation options, but others simply don't.  There is no right or wrong way here, simply the one that one prefers.  And if you're aware that you're going to have to wait for some seconds on pages with way, way, way more links than is typical for NVDA to build the elements list, and make that choice, there's nothing wrong with that choice.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 11:27 AM, Gene wrote:
I’m raising the question of whether people running far less powerful machines have delays when opening the dialog. 
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Answered, don'tcha think?   Less powerful machines are not likely to perform better overall, are they?  This is not even something that I'd believe any computer user of more than a few months experience would doubt.  Some things really do go without saying.

Essentially, the original questioner's query has been answered and each person can make their own choice in light of the information shared.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Gene
 

It doesn’t obsess me.  You are running a powerful computer and it took a long time.  I’m raising the question of whether people running far less powerful machines have delays when opening the dialog. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information
 
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:58 AM, Gene wrote:
which adds support to my opinion that it is at times, perhaps more than realized, better to use find or to move by heading or other ways directly on the web page.
-
Gene, I really have no idea why it obsesses you so how any given individual user attempts to navigate a page.

Some people, and many of whom are likely to have been JAWS users, simply like the elements dialog which is as close as you get to the links dialog under JAWS.

Any page that has 4400-plus links is not going to be easily navigated, period.  Most web designers would never even begin to think of putting that many links on a single page.  This particular page was not designed either for beauty or efficiency, but is just a massive list of links arranged in very large chunks, alphabetically, depending on what the title of the movie happens to be.

You know how much I happen to like screen reader find and the use of the various quick navigation options, but others simply don't.  There is no right or wrong way here, simply the one that one prefers.  And if you're aware that you're going to have to wait for some seconds on pages with way, way, way more links than is typical for NVDA to build the elements list, and make that choice, there's nothing wrong with that choice.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: windows 11

 

Dennis,

I am going to do the best I can to answer your question before locking this thread, as I am not going to let any discussion of the purported Windows 11 get going on this group.

What some are insisting will be revealed as Windows 11 on June 24th is, in reality, no matter how it's branded, nothing more than what had been scheduled and developed as Windows 10, Version 20H2.  It's been developed as the next Windows 10 feature update, it's been in the hands of Windows Insiders for a while and with the expectation that it would be the next feature update.

Even if this does turn out, via marketing puffery, to be rebranded as Windows 11 it is simply the next update of Windows 10 under another guise, and will almost certainly be delivered like all regular feature updates have been - via Windows Update.

This topic is now locked.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:58 AM, Gene wrote:
which adds support to my opinion that it is at times, perhaps more than realized, better to use find or to move by heading or other ways directly on the web page.
-
Gene, I really have no idea why it obsesses you so how any given individual user attempts to navigate a page.

Some people, and many of whom are likely to have been JAWS users, simply like the elements dialog which is as close as you get to the links dialog under JAWS.

Any page that has 4400-plus links is not going to be easily navigated, period.  Most web designers would never even begin to think of putting that many links on a single page.  This particular page was not designed either for beauty or efficiency, but is just a massive list of links arranged in very large chunks, alphabetically, depending on what the title of the movie happens to be.

You know how much I happen to like screen reader find and the use of the various quick navigation options, but others simply don't.  There is no right or wrong way here, simply the one that one prefers.  And if you're aware that you're going to have to wait for some seconds on pages with way, way, way more links than is typical for NVDA to build the elements list, and make that choice, there's nothing wrong with that choice.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked windows 11

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
 

I learned from this list a few weeks ago that windows 11 is soon to be upon us.

Although some on other lists dispute that this will be called windows 11.

The main question is will the current version of nvda work with this update of windows or will the new version be the road to go down and when can we expect this to come out of bita testing.

Any guidance from yourselves would be helpful.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Gene
 

which adds support to my opinion that it is at times, perhaps more than realized, better to use find or to move by heading or other ways directly on the web page.  It is now being demonstrated that the move by dialog is inefficient under certain conditions.  It raises the question of whether it is inefficient on smaller pages on less powerful machines.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information
 
And I just tested out the page Giles offered (for which I thank you) on my machine, an HP Envy 15 TS laptop with an i7-4700MQ processor, 16GB RAM, and an SSD, and it took NVDA about 8 seconds to present the Elements List for that page.  That's a definitely noticeable pause between hitting INS+F7 and the resulting dialog being presented.

So, it does appear that it takes a few seconds for NVDA to do the work of constructing the elements list on pages that have far higher than typical numbers of elements on them.  And I imagine the length of time will be at least somewhat dependent on the processing power of your machine and the amount of RAM you have more so than the drive type, though even that has the potential to factor in.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

 

And I just tested out the page Giles offered (for which I thank you) on my machine, an HP Envy 15 TS laptop with an i7-4700MQ processor, 16GB RAM, and an SSD, and it took NVDA about 8 seconds to present the Elements List for that page.  That's a definitely noticeable pause between hitting INS+F7 and the resulting dialog being presented.

So, it does appear that it takes a few seconds for NVDA to do the work of constructing the elements list on pages that have far higher than typical numbers of elements on them.  And I imagine the length of time will be at least somewhat dependent on the processing power of your machine and the amount of RAM you have more so than the drive type, though even that has the potential to factor in.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Community Add-Ons: Compatibility Status Page with NVDA 2021.1 - Please Consult It First #adminnotice

 

Joseph Lee very kindly made the readership aware of this page on June 1, 2021.  Here is a repeat of his message:
----
Hello NVDA users,
 
Many of you are wondering about whether or not your favorite NVDA add-ons will be ready for NVDA 2021.1. To answer this question, the add-ons community has prepared a status page listing add-ons hosted on community add-ons website and their NVDA 2021.1 compatibility status:
 
 
Note that things can change without notice, and the page does not include newly added add-ons; add-ons added to community add-ons website in recent days will be included in the status page soon. Also, I have asked the add-ons community to update this document from time to time whenever backwards incompatible NVDA version enters beta testing phase (I myself will contribute to this document if my add-ons do become compatible with future NVDA releases; I might not be able to update add-ons in a timely manner while taking graduate courses).
 
As always, feedback about add-ons should be sent to add-on authors.
 
Thanks.
----

And I previously noted, on June 8th:

If the add-on you have a question about is not part of the community add-ons page, but is maintained by a third-party, whether that's a company or individual, please direct questions regarding compatibility of these add-ons with NVDA 2021.1 to their respective maintainers.  They are the only sources who can give you accurate information about their update/maintenance plans for these add-ons.

If you have information about a third-party or "home grown" add-on being released in a version that is compatible with NVDA 2020.1 after having actually received confirmation of this from its developer, please feel free to share.  Also, if a developer tells you a compatible version will not be released, this is useful information for the readership to have.  But please consult the above noted page for the compatibility status of Community Add-Ons.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi Louise,

yes, I have seen this sort of behaviour. One of the websites that has links to audio-described movies, https://jeff.tdrealms.com/Described_Movies.md has 4412 links. If you use NVDA+F7 to open up the list of links, it remains quiet on my fairly-quick laptop for about 10 seconds while it generates the list.

There are, on average, around 150 movies beginning with each letter of the alphabet, hence the large number of items.

I am only giving the web address, given the backlash when I didn't include it regarding my Sainsbury's website post earlier, so that others can check it out if it needs verifying. I am not expressing an opinion on whether audio-described movies should be downloaded. And, as with most things, other audio-described movie websites are available ;)

I'm using NVDA 2020.4 on Windows 10, and using Firefox 89.0.1.

Giles

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