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Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

Brian,

You really, really need to get a more mature approach.

If a tech support person asks you to do something that's non-damaging, and running the COM Registration Fixing Tool is, and so is doing at least a repair install of Windows 10, then you do it.

Those of us who do this for a living cannot divine, out of thin air, why certain errors are occurring.  Those who are having them, and reporting them, have obligations toward assisting in the effort to get a solution.  I have said the following many times, and not just in the context of Microsoft, and it applies in spades here:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's been asked for by the person offering assistance.

               Those receiving assistance are free to reject advice, you are also entitled to ask for clarification, but if you don’t want to do what your assistant is asking, then state that so that you can both can move along.  Assistants have every right to assist as they see fit, and those being assisted to either follow or reject the option(s) presented.  An assistant is within their rights to withdraw support at any time, for any reason.

It is inane, and willfully stupid, to make the statement that Microsoft has not shown an ever increasing commitment to accessibility.  Period, end of sentence.

And solutions to bugs such as this are often at the next patch Tuesday once the root cause has been determined, or the next release of Edge.  It's not, nor should it be expected to be, "in a few days, at most."  That's not how software development cycles work.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

Brian Sackrider
 

I justgot a call back from the disability answer desk and the guy told me to do a clean install of my windows or use the nvda redgistery tool.  I told him that other peoplealso are having this problem so it's not mywindows or my nvda it is on their end.  He kept on trying to get me to do what he said but I told him that I will not do that.  If they don't want to fix the problem that this just proves once and for all that microsoft does not care one bit about accessability.  When they turn off ie next year you will not be able to down load anything using their brouser.  I hope that they are proud ofthemselves for not caring enough to fix the problem of the context menu not reading in the edge brouser.  We nownot to expect any real accessability from now on.  They are saying it's your problem not ours.  When we call them to tell them of an accessability issue we will be told thats our problem not ours.  I don't have any respect for them at all.  If they would have told me that they are awhear of the problem and they are working on a sulution that would be a different story but that is not the case.  Thats your dumb forigeners for you they are to bit and lazy and incompatent their programers are a joke whear did they get their degree?  Out of a cracker jack box.

Brian Sackrider


Re: Making NVDA say day, month name, year for dates formatted as DD/MM/YYYY

 
Edited

Dennis,

By the way, if you want to be very anal retentive about avoiding anything except a date formatted as DD/MM/YYYY or DD/MM/YY, where a leading zero could possibly be missing from the DD part, the regex would become:

(0?[1-9]|[12][0-9]|3[01])\/(ZZ)\/(\d{4}|\d{2})

and where the ZZ in the above would be 01 through 12, depending on the month it is you are trying specifically to recognize and snag.  All of the replacement strings given previously would work.

Further precision is possible for months that have less than 31 days where, if it weren't February, the 3[01], could be replaced with a straight 30 and for February, the "|3[01]" eliminated altogether and t
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA and the NLS reader.

Gerardo Corripio
 

I didn't have to install or do anything with mine. I connected it, and NVDA automatically recognized it. Oh and by the way, I'm an Overseas NLS member, thus the NLS Overseas library is one of those pilot-testing it as well.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 22 jun 2021, a la(s) 1:32 p.m., Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> escribió:

Hi Ken, here is the braille braille driver that you need to select with in the NVDA braille settings. 
The driver's name is called nls EReader. 
I hope that helps. 
Best re gards 
Michael Munn 


Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students www.nfbv.org 
Student of: Hadley Institute for the Blind www.hadley.edu
 



On Jun 22, 2021, at 14:23, ken lawrence via groups.io <kenlawrence124@...> wrote:



Hi listers ken here.  I’m currently pilot testing the new NLS braille ereader made by humanware for the library of congress talking and braille book program here in the states.  The device can also connect via USB to a computer.  I already know how to connect it but I need to know how and what braille settings to use with NVDA since I have the current version I intend to take this baby for a test drive on the computer.  Have already done it with the iPhone.  And it looks like humanware has knocked one out of the park again. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA and the NLS reader.

Michael Munn
 

Hi Ken, here is the braille braille driver that you need to select with in the NVDA braille settings. 
The driver's name is called nls EReader. 
I hope that helps. 
Best re gards 
Michael Munn 


Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students www.nfbv.org 
Student of: Hadley Institute for the Blind www.hadley.edu
 



On Jun 22, 2021, at 14:23, ken lawrence via groups.io <kenlawrence124@...> wrote:



Hi listers ken here.  I’m currently pilot testing the new NLS braille ereader made by humanware for the library of congress talking and braille book program here in the states.  The device can also connect via USB to a computer.  I already know how to connect it but I need to know how and what braille settings to use with NVDA since I have the current version I intend to take this baby for a test drive on the computer.  Have already done it with the iPhone.  And it looks like humanware has knocked one out of the park again. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA and the NLS reader.

Devin Prater
 

It works better with NVDA than it does with the iPhone. Try turning on input help mode on the iPhone and press the Up or Down thumb key. Now, for NVDA, set the braille display to Automatic, and it should work. If not, change it to the one with NLS EReader in it.

On Jun 22, 2021, at 1:22 PM, ken lawrence via groups.io <kenlawrence124@...> wrote:

Hi listers ken here.  I’m currently pilot testing the new NLS braille ereader made by humanware for the library of congress talking and braille book program here in the states.  The device can also connect via USB to a computer.  I already know how to connect it but I need to know how and what braille settings to use with NVDA since I have the current version I intend to take this baby for a test drive on the computer.  Have already done it with the iPhone.  And it looks like humanware has knocked one out of the park again.  
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 


NVDA and the NLS reader.

ken lawrence
 

Hi listers ken here.  I’m currently pilot testing the new NLS braille ereader made by humanware for the library of congress talking and braille book program here in the states.  The device can also connect via USB to a computer.  I already know how to connect it but I need to know how and what braille settings to use with NVDA since I have the current version I intend to take this baby for a test drive on the computer.  Have already done it with the iPhone.  And it looks like humanware has knocked one out of the park again. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Making NVDA say day, month name, year for dates formatted as DD/MM/YYYY

dennis huckle
 

Many thanks.

I’ll take this all on board.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 June 2021 18:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech dictionary

 

Dennis,

I am going to presume that all dates will have a format DD/MM/YYYY or possibly DD/MM/YY for the purposes of what follows.

First, here's the step-by-step tutorial for adding a regular expression type match to the NVDA default dictionary.  The same steps would apply to the voice or temporary dictionary, but you'd have to select the correct one of those at that step in the steps.  I will presume you want this for any voice and all the time, so the default dictionary is appropriate:
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Adding a Regular Expression match to the Default Dictionary

1. Hit NVDA+N,P,D,D   NVDA Main Menu, Preferences, Speech dictionaries, Default Dictionary

2. Hit ALT+A to activate the Add Button or navigate to it and activate it.

3. In the dialog that appears, paste or enter a regular expression in the Pattern edit box.

4. Paste or enter the replacement you want to hear in the Replacement edit box.  If you're using a capturing regular expression this may be a sequence of backslashes followed by the numbers of the capture groups you're using.

5. The comment edit box should either have a comment that helps you to remember the purpose of this dictionary entry, which is preferable, or be left blank.

6. Leave the Case Sensitive checkbox unchecked.

7. The Type radio button should be set to Regular Expression.

8. Activate the OK button

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Now, for the list of twelve regular expression patterns and their respective replacement strings (all of which start with backslash one, so when you get to that on the line that is where the replacement string begins).  All of the regular expression patterns start with a left parenthesis and end with a right curly brace followed by a right parenthesis:

([0123][0-9])\/(01)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 January \3

 

([0123][0-9])\/(02)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 February \3

 

([0123][0-9])\/(03)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 March \3

 

([0123][0-9])\/(04)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 April \3

 

([0123][0-9])\/(05)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 May \3

 

([0123][0-9])\/(06)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 June \3

 

([0123][0-9])\/(07)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 July \3

 

([0123][0-9])\/(08)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 August \3

 

([0123][0-9])\/(09)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 September \3

 

([0123][0-9])\/(10)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 October \3

 

([0123][0-9])\/(11)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 November \3

 

([0123][0-9])\/(12)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 December \3


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Try putting the one for June into your default dictionary then having NVDA read that email (or this one) from me to see how the date is pronounced afterward.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Making NVDA say day, month name, year for dates formatted as DD/MM/YYYY

 

Dennis,

I am going to presume that all dates will have a format DD/MM/YYYY or possibly DD/MM/YY for the purposes of what follows.

First, here's the step-by-step tutorial for adding a regular expression type match to the NVDA default dictionary.  The same steps would apply to the voice or temporary dictionary, but you'd have to select the correct one of those at that step in the steps.  I will presume you want this for any voice and all the time, so the default dictionary is appropriate:
----
Adding a Regular Expression match to the Default Dictionary
1. Hit NVDA+N,P,D,D   NVDA Main Menu, Preferences, Speech dictionaries, Default Dictionary
2. Hit ALT+A to activate the Add Button or navigate to it and activate it.
3. In the dialog that appears, paste or enter a regular expression in the Pattern edit box.
4. Paste or enter the replacement you want to hear in the Replacement edit box.  If you're using a capturing regular expression this may be a sequence of backslashes followed by the numbers of the capture groups you're using.
5. The comment edit box should either have a comment that helps you to remember the purpose of this dictionary entry, which is preferable, or be left blank.
6. Leave the Case Sensitive checkbox unchecked.
7. The Type radio button should be set to Regular Expression.
8. Activate the OK button
----

Now, for the list of twelve regular expression patterns and their respective replacement strings (all of which start with backslash one, so when you get to that on the line that is where the replacement string begins).  All of the regular expression patterns start with a left parenthesis and end with a right curly brace followed by a right parenthesis:

([0123][0-9])\/(01)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 January \3
 
([0123][0-9])\/(02)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 February \3
 
([0123][0-9])\/(03)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 March \3
 
([0123][0-9])\/(04)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 April \3
 
([0123][0-9])\/(05)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 May \3
 
([0123][0-9])\/(06)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 June \3
 
([0123][0-9])\/(07)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 July \3
 
([0123][0-9])\/(08)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 August \3
 
([0123][0-9])\/(09)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 September \3
 
([0123][0-9])\/(10)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 October \3
 
([0123][0-9])\/(11)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 November \3
 
([0123][0-9])\/(12)\/(\d{2,4})          \1 December \3

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Try putting the one for June into your default dictionary then having NVDA read that email (or this one) from me to see how the date is pronounced afterward.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Making NVDA say day, month name, year for dates formatted as DD/MM/YYYY

dennis huckle
 

Hello Brian,

Hear is the date as presented in your e-mail

Tue 22/06/2021

Hope that’s what you need.

As I am in the uk I use day/month/year

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 June 2021 17:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech dictionary

 

Dennis,

Please copy and paste the exact date format out of a couple of e-mail messages that are all being read numerically and I can help you with that using regular expressions for the match and the replacement using the day and year but with the month written out between the two.

Typically there are hyphens, e.g., 22-06-2021, or some other separator, often a forward slash or dot, between those date elements.  If those are not present, then we'd need to determine what always precedes and/or comes after the date that uses spaces as its separators.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Making NVDA say day, month name, year for dates formatted as DD/MM/YYYY

 

Dennis,

Please copy and paste the exact date format out of a couple of e-mail messages that are all being read numerically and I can help you with that using regular expressions for the match and the replacement using the day and year but with the month written out between the two.

Typically there are hyphens, e.g., 22-06-2021, or some other separator, often a forward slash or dot, between those date elements.  If those are not present, then we'd need to determine what always precedes and/or comes after the date that uses spaces as its separators.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Making NVDA say day, month name, year for dates formatted as DD/MM/YYYY

dennis huckle
 

Hello,

For an example.

If in an e-mail the date is spoken numerically, how can I get the date to say

22 june 2021 instead of 22 06 2021.

Just to learn more about nvda.

 


Synth Development - How do you add a new language to NVDA?

Sheri Byrne-Haber
 

Moderator's Note I'm granting a dispensation on this question because there may be members who can direct the questioner to the correct resources, and I have no idea what those are.  This is definitely not an NVDA question, or synth compatibility with NVDA question, but one about creating a synth for a specific language that does not as yet have one.  That's definitely out of scope for this group.  If anyone knows of the correct contacts for this kind of development, please feel free to share that information.  But any deep delves into actual synth development really should take place elsewhere.
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Yesterday was National Indigenous Peoples Day 2021 in Canada

David Berman commented on LinkedIn that there are no Canadian Indigenous languages available in screen readers, which made me sad.

The most commonly spoken indigenous language in the province I am from is Mi'kmaq.  While I do not speak Mi'kmaq, I've always been interested in learning.  More importantly, I do have access to some native speakers as I have a cousin who teaches at a school where Mi'kmaq is commonly spoken.

Is there a cookbook somewhere on how to do this?  Is anyone interested in volunteering to help?

Thanks,
Sheri
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Sheri Byrne-Haber
Accessibility Architect
VMware
650 703 2376
sbyrnehaber@...


Re: Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Is Compatible with NVDA 2021.1

Rui Fontes
 

Hi!


They are already compatible!


Vocalizer Expressive:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/65nyehmf785d2r1/vocalizer_expressive_driver_3.1.5_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


Vocalizer:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rk1d1pbffvzp9gk/vocalizer-driver_2.1.2.nvda-addon?dl=1


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 18:47 de 21/06/2021, Gerardo Corripio escreveu:

In browsing the NVDA compatibility site given earlier today, I see no mention of state of if Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Expressive Voices version3, with NVDA21.1? How's the state of these?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel



Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Is Compatible with NVDA 2021.1

Gerardo Corripio
 

In browsing the NVDA compatibility site given earlier today, I see no mention of state of if Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Expressive Voices version3, with NVDA21.1? How's the state of these?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


Re: Community Add-Ons: Compatibility Status Page with NVDA 2021.1 - Please Consult It First #adminnotice

anthony borg
 

Thanks for that message.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 21 June 2021 16:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Community Add-Ons: Compatibility Status Page with NVDA 2021.1 - Please Consult It First #adminnotice

 

Joseph Lee very kindly made the readership aware of this page on June 1, 2021.  Here is a repeat of his message:
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Hello NVDA users,

 

Many of you are wondering about whether or not your favorite NVDA add-ons will be ready for NVDA 2021.1. To answer this question, the add-ons community has prepared a status page listing add-ons hosted on community add-ons website and their NVDA 2021.1 compatibility status:

 

 

Note that things can change without notice, and the page does not include newly added add-ons; add-ons added to community add-ons website in recent days will be included in the status page soon. Also, I have asked the add-ons community to update this document from time to time whenever backwards incompatible NVDA version enters beta testing phase (I myself will contribute to this document if my add-ons do become compatible with future NVDA releases; I might not be able to update add-ons in a timely manner while taking graduate courses).

 

As always, feedback about add-ons should be sent to add-on authors.

 

Thanks.

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And I previously noted, on June 8th:

If the add-on you have a question about is not part of the community add-ons page, but is maintained by a third-party, whether that's a company or individual, please direct questions regarding compatibility of these add-ons with NVDA 2021.1 to their respective maintainers.  They are the only sources who can give you accurate information about their update/maintenance plans for these add-ons.

If you have information about a third-party or "home grown" add-on being released in a version that is compatible with NVDA 2020.1 after having actually received confirmation of this from its developer, please feel free to share.  Also, if a developer tells you a compatible version will not be released, this is useful information for the readership to have.  But please consult the above noted page for the compatibility status of Community Add-Ons.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Luke Davis
 

Would it be helpful to have NVDA say "building elements list", or the progress beeps, or similar while this is happening?

Luke


Re: Websites that determine where NVDA starts at

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 12:49 PM, Clive May wrote:
Just click the "I accept" cookie button and the behaviour will go away - at least, for that session and that particular page. 
-
Just be aware that if you are someone who is routinely clearing cookies, this behavior will come back, as it's cookies that are used to keep track of whether you've agreed to accept cookies or not.

I sometimes prefer that these dialogs are modal, as they force a choice to be made and then don't come back again until or unless you clear cookies.  
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Websites that determine where NVDA starts at

Clive May <clive.may@...>
 

Hi


Just click the "I accept" cookie button and the behaviour will go away - at least, for that session and that particular page. 

On 21/06/2021 15:01, Gene wrote:
You should be able to solve the problem by causing the page you want to work with to open in a new window.  For example, when you are using search, write the search item and instead of pressing enter, press shift enter.  That opens the results page in a new window.  When you have finished working with it, close the new window with alt f4.  You are now back on the page where you were and you should be in exactly the same place you were because the page has been opened all the time in another window and you did nothing to change your position.
 
I can’t test that here because I don’t see the banner, looking at the page from the United states, but whatever the cause, this method should work around the problem.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Websites that determine where NVDA starts at
 
I apologise for not specifying the exact page. It is https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/

I notice it when I activate Groceries, which seems to change the page but the address remains as https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/

I think it is exactly what Chris says, the EU's GDPR banner seizing focus. If I search for an item and then add it to my basket, then go back to the main Groceries page, the focus jumps to the GDPR banner about cookies, which appears right at the bottom of the page.

As I say, it's not a major hastle to jump back to the top of the page or to press shift+e to jump to the previous search field, it's just an annoyance to be taken down to that cookie banner every time I have to go back to that page. Anybody who also pays attention to the TAVIP blind computer discussion  group will also recall that Sainsbury's have been messing around with their website, but they have been listening to difficulties that TAVIP members have expressed, which is good to hear.

Giles


Re: Need help on downloading braille display driver

 

The only thing I can suggest is having a look at this page:  https://www.morandomatteo.com/tiemanoptalec-voyager/2015/12/17/40/ 

 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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