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Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 4 now available

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:51 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I always download from the announcement link instead of the "check for updates".
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As do I, and I'm "out of the loop" on this particular beta, which is unusual.

When it comes to betas in particular, I often don't use the update mechanism, period.  I download, uninstall the existing beta, and install the next beta version.  Your NVDA settings, add-ons, etc., are retained, so why not start as close to completely afresh as you can?
 
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Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 4 now available

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,


That's a great suggestion. Whenever there's a new beta version or official release, I always download from the announcement link instead of the "check for updates".


Rosemarie



On 6/23/2021 3:40 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

For anyone experiencing an issue updating from within NVDA to Beta 4 - please download the new beta from the release announcement - https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta4/ - and update via that.

Apologies for the inconvenience, and thank you for your patience!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 7:58 PM Quentin Christensen via groups.io <quentin=nvaccess.org@groups.io> wrote:
Hi everyone,

NVDA 2021.1beta4 is now available for testing. As with previous betas, please test & report any issues. Changes from Beta 3 include updated translations and improvements to crash handling. Full details & download links in the release announcement: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta4/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: Problem updating from beta3 to beta4

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I also had to go through the installer. I tried the "check for updates" and it failed too.



On 6/23/2021 4:55 AM, Chris via groups.io wrote:

I had to download and run the installer for it to update to beta 4

 

Going through the check for update option under help, fails with error

 

From: Nikos Demetriou via groups.io
Sent: 23 June 2021 10:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problem updating from beta3 to beta4

 

Hi.

I am having a problem updating from beta3 to beta 4 of nvda 2021.1.

 

This is the first time I had an issue like this one.

 

I go in to help menu and I download the update.

I check the option about the incompatible addons and I press the install button.

 

I get the start music of the nvda installer.

The installer doesn't start and I get the following message.

 

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
usage: nvda_noUIAccess.exe [-h] [-q] [-k] [-f LOGFILENAME]
                           [-l {10,12,15,20,30,40,50,100}] [-c CONFIGPATH]
                           [-m] [-s] [--disable-addons] [--debug-logging]
                           [--no-logging] [--no-sr-flag]
                           [--install | --install-silent | --create-portable | --create-portable-silent]
                           [--portable-path PORTABLEPATH] [--launcher]
                           [--enable-start-on-logon True|False]
                           [--copy-portable-config] [--ease-of-access]

error: argument -m/--minimal: ignored explicit argument '--log-level=10'
---------------------------
OK  
---------------------------

Nikos

 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:21 AM, <kyleborah1234321@...> wrote:
I would agree, but I have one word for you: government.
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Government or no government, unless they have a special arrangement with Microsoft for extended support (and they might), it is absolutely unsafe to use an out-of-support version of Windows 10.

Given what's been in the news, heads would, and should, roll were a compromise to occur on a network where all the machines were running an unsupported version of Windows 10.

IT departments are always "the last to update," putting it off as long as they can, but there are limits.  And no one in charge who has one lick of sense would keep an out of support version running.  Now I'm really curious as to whether some sort of extended support is in place, because there are these arrangements for enterprise editions in particular.
 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

kyleborah1234321@...
 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Whoever is maintaining Windows 10 at this site also needs to get off the stick.  Having 1903 at this point in time is jaw-dropping, even for educational or enterprise installations.  It is out of support, by months now, as 1903 is what would be called, in current terms, an H1 (first half of the year) release which is in support for 18 months from the date of release.

It needs to be brought up to a supported version, pronto.

I would agree, but I have one word for you: government.


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:47 AM, <kyleborah1234321@...> wrote:
Windows 10 1903 (64-bit) build 18362.1256
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Whoever is maintaining Windows 10 at this site also needs to get off the stick.  Having 1903 at this point in time is jaw-dropping, even for educational or enterprise installations.  It is out of support, by months now, as 1903 is what would be called, in current terms, an H1 (first half of the year) release which is in support for 18 months from the date of release.

It needs to be brought up to a supported version, pronto.

And thanks, very much, for providing these details.
 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

Brian Moore
 

yes, I can confirm exactly the same behavior. Have raised it with Cisco. their support page seems to indicate support for JAWS which I can confirm. With Jaws, current update still reads.


Brian.

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On 2021-06-23 10:42 a.m., Afik Souffir wrote:

Hi
I suggest you to contact the devlopers of webex and tell them about the issue. 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of kyleborah1234321@... <kyleborah1234321@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 5:07:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Webex Accessibility Regression
 
Hello all,

As a bit of an introduction, I have recently started a software developer job where I am consistently using Windows again after  trying to run far away from it for the past 6 years. We use WebEx for meetings and early last week (the week of the 14-18 of June 2021), The join a meeting screen has suddenly become inaccessible. This is the screen that lets you make sure you have your video and audio set up correctly before joining. NVDA sees the window, but can not see anything in it. If I perform OCR with NVDA+r, It says, "Content is not visible." I have received visual confirmation that the window is on the screen and looks okay. I can also access it with narrator. But NVDA doesn't work. I have tried launching NVDA under an admin account and with addons disabled, but nothing seems to work.
Obviously I can join from my phone, and I can get into the meetings with narrator, But I would really like this to work with NVDA like it used to.

Has anyone come across this? I tried to do some searching on the page here, but it doesn't seem you are able to search here on groups.io. Am I mistaken about this?


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

kyleborah1234321@...
 

Windows 10 1903 (64-bit) build 18362.1256
NVDA: Version: 2020.4
WebEx: Version: 41.6.1.19162
 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 

Hi
I suggest you to contact the devlopers of webex and tell them about the issue. 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of kyleborah1234321@... <kyleborah1234321@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 5:07:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Webex Accessibility Regression
 
Hello all,

As a bit of an introduction, I have recently started a software developer job where I am consistently using Windows again after  trying to run far away from it for the past 6 years. We use WebEx for meetings and early last week (the week of the 14-18 of June 2021), The join a meeting screen has suddenly become inaccessible. This is the screen that lets you make sure you have your video and audio set up correctly before joining. NVDA sees the window, but can not see anything in it. If I perform OCR with NVDA+r, It says, "Content is not visible." I have received visual confirmation that the window is on the screen and looks okay. I can also access it with narrator. But NVDA doesn't work. I have tried launching NVDA under an admin account and with addons disabled, but nothing seems to work.
Obviously I can join from my phone, and I can get into the meetings with narrator, But I would really like this to work with NVDA like it used to.

Has anyone come across this? I tried to do some searching on the page here, but it doesn't seem you are able to search here on groups.io. Am I mistaken about this?


Re: Will NVDA running from a USB stick on a friends PC leave any files behind after use?

 

Not any that I'm aware of.  For Portable NVDA all of the files, folders, etc., that the program itself uses and depends upon are resident on the USB jump drive and do not get copied anywhere.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

 

Can you give:  The version and build number of Windows 10, the version of NVDA you're using?

Yes, you can search the group archives.  I need to update this tutorial because there have been some tweaks by Groups.io to the presentation of results, but most of it is still applicable:  Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Webex Accessibility Regression

kyleborah1234321@...
 

Hello all,

As a bit of an introduction, I have recently started a software developer job where I am consistently using Windows again after  trying to run far away from it for the past 6 years. We use WebEx for meetings and early last week (the week of the 14-18 of June 2021), The join a meeting screen has suddenly become inaccessible. This is the screen that lets you make sure you have your video and audio set up correctly before joining. NVDA sees the window, but can not see anything in it. If I perform OCR with NVDA+r, It says, "Content is not visible." I have received visual confirmation that the window is on the screen and looks okay. I can also access it with narrator. But NVDA doesn't work. I have tried launching NVDA under an admin account and with addons disabled, but nothing seems to work.
Obviously I can join from my phone, and I can get into the meetings with narrator, But I would really like this to work with NVDA like it used to.

Has anyone come across this? I tried to do some searching on the page here, but it doesn't seem you are able to search here on groups.io. Am I mistaken about this?


Will NVDA running from a USB stick on a friends PC leave any files behind after use?

Blaster
 

Hello list, I was asked a question that I couldn't answer because it's
been quite a while since I used NVDA running from a USB stick on
another person's PC, so I'm hoping someone can answer this one for me.

Will NVDA running on a USB stick on another person's PC leave any
files or setting changes behind that would require a little clean up
after use?

Thanks for any info,
Blaster


Re: Problem updating from beta3 to beta4

cédric Paulet
 

Good afternoon,

 

I have the same error in the update process to update nvda to beta 4. And the same error to update alfa versions since today.

This error occurs for updating process of portables versions of nvda beta and alpha builds since today.

Why cause this error?

 

De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Nikos Demetriou via groups.io
Envoyé : mercredi 23 juin 2021 11:44
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : [nvda] Problem updating from beta3 to beta4

 

Hi.

I am having a problem updating from beta3 to beta 4 of nvda 2021.1.

 

This is the first time I had an issue like this one.

 

I go in to help menu and I download the update.

I check the option about the incompatible addons and I press the install button.

 

I get the start music of the nvda installer.

The installer doesn't start and I get the following message.

 

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
usage: nvda_noUIAccess.exe [-h] [-q] [-k] [-f LOGFILENAME]
                           [-l {10,12,15,20,30,40,50,100}] [-c CONFIGPATH]
                           [-m] [-s] [--disable-addons] [--debug-logging]
                           [--no-logging] [--no-sr-flag]
                           [--install | --install-silent | --create-portable | --create-portable-silent]
                           [--portable-path PORTABLEPATH] [--launcher]
                           [--enable-start-on-logon True|False]
                           [--copy-portable-config] [--ease-of-access]

error: argument -m/--minimal: ignored explicit argument '--log-level=10'
---------------------------
OK  
---------------------------

Nikos


Can NVDA be made to speak when filters are applied to a column?

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

When I am moving by using the left and right arrows in an Excel worksheet, I
need to know if filters are active and have been applied. This is not
happening. Does NVDA support speaking this?

At work, I use both NVDA and jaws and found this feature of jaws handy.

Pranav


Re: Code Factory Eloquence for Windows as a SAPI voice

Sylvain Machefert
 

Merci Cédric ! Génial, ça marche !
Thanks you Gene! it works!


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Le mer. 23 juin 2021 à 13:22, Gene <gsasner@...> a écrit :
Select SAPI 5 in the synthesizer dialog.  After you do that and the dialog is closed, open the voice dialog, NVDA key control v.
 
Tab until you get to the field where you select the voice.  It is a combo box and it will say voice.
Down arrow to the voice you want and press enter.  You won’t hear Eloquence announced as you down arrow.  You will hear various available voices such as American English and lots of other languages.  You will hear these announcements, I believe spoken in their languages.  Find the one you want and press enter.  The voice you selected is now active.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 1:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Eloquence for Windows as a SAPI voice
 
Hello!
Last year I bought Code Factory Eloquence voice.
As it was unclear, I thought I had to buy Eloquence for Windows and then the addon for NVDA as a "link" between NVDA and Eloquence.
After just buying the first one, and installed the addon, it worked.
 
It worked fine until a recent Code Factory's server outage during while it asked continuously for my registration key.
After Code Factory's server came back, I could enter my licence key in Eloquence for Windows, but NVDA don't want to work with, it ask me for a licence key for Eloquence for NVDA.
 
I talked with Code Factory support and they said that Eloquence for Windows is a SAPI voice I can use in other software, and as a SAPI voice in NVDA. I foolowed their recommandations and removed the Code Factory addon from NVDA. No more bugging messages.
 
I can use Eloquence voice in Windows Narrator, but NVDA doesn't see it.
 
How I can tell NVDA there is a SAPI voice called Eloquence and use it ?
 
If there is no way, I'll pay for Eloquence addon, but as I could use it with Narrator, I suppose NVDA can do the same.
 
Thanks,
 
--
Sylvain Machefert


Re: Problem updating from beta3 to beta4

Chris
 

I had to download and run the installer for it to update to beta 4

 

Going through the check for update option under help, fails with error

 

From: Nikos Demetriou via groups.io
Sent: 23 June 2021 10:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problem updating from beta3 to beta4

 

Hi.

I am having a problem updating from beta3 to beta 4 of nvda 2021.1.

 

This is the first time I had an issue like this one.

 

I go in to help menu and I download the update.

I check the option about the incompatible addons and I press the install button.

 

I get the start music of the nvda installer.

The installer doesn't start and I get the following message.

 

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
usage: nvda_noUIAccess.exe [-h] [-q] [-k] [-f LOGFILENAME]
                           [-l {10,12,15,20,30,40,50,100}] [-c CONFIGPATH]
                           [-m] [-s] [--disable-addons] [--debug-logging]
                           [--no-logging] [--no-sr-flag]
                           [--install | --install-silent | --create-portable | --create-portable-silent]
                           [--portable-path PORTABLEPATH] [--launcher]
                           [--enable-start-on-logon True|False]
                           [--copy-portable-config] [--ease-of-access]

error: argument -m/--minimal: ignored explicit argument '--log-level=10'
---------------------------
OK  
---------------------------

Nikos

 


Re: Code Factory Eloquence for Windows as a SAPI voice

Gene
 

Select SAPI 5 in the synthesizer dialog.  After you do that and the dialog is closed, open the voice dialog, NVDA key control v.
 
Tab until you get to the field where you select the voice.  It is a combo box and it will say voice.
Down arrow to the voice you want and press enter.  You won’t hear Eloquence announced as you down arrow.  You will hear various available voices such as American English and lots of other languages.  You will hear these announcements, I believe spoken in their languages.  Find the one you want and press enter.  The voice you selected is now active.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 1:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Eloquence for Windows as a SAPI voice
 
Hello!
Last year I bought Code Factory Eloquence voice.
As it was unclear, I thought I had to buy Eloquence for Windows and then the addon for NVDA as a "link" between NVDA and Eloquence.
After just buying the first one, and installed the addon, it worked.
 
It worked fine until a recent Code Factory's server outage during while it asked continuously for my registration key.
After Code Factory's server came back, I could enter my licence key in Eloquence for Windows, but NVDA don't want to work with, it ask me for a licence key for Eloquence for NVDA.
 
I talked with Code Factory support and they said that Eloquence for Windows is a SAPI voice I can use in other software, and as a SAPI voice in NVDA. I foolowed their recommandations and removed the Code Factory addon from NVDA. No more bugging messages.
 
I can use Eloquence voice in Windows Narrator, but NVDA doesn't see it.
 
How I can tell NVDA there is a SAPI voice called Eloquence and use it ?
 
If there is no way, I'll pay for Eloquence addon, but as I could use it with Narrator, I suppose NVDA can do the same.
 
Thanks,
 
--
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Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 4 now available

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

For anyone experiencing an issue updating from within NVDA to Beta 4 - please download the new beta from the release announcement - https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta4/ - and update via that.

Apologies for the inconvenience, and thank you for your patience!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 7:58 PM Quentin Christensen via groups.io <quentin=nvaccess.org@groups.io> wrote:
Hi everyone,

NVDA 2021.1beta4 is now available for testing. As with previous betas, please test & report any issues. Changes from Beta 3 include updated translations and improvements to crash handling. Full details & download links in the release announcement: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta4/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: Problem updating from beta3 to beta4

Quentin Christensen
 

As Luke noted, we are now aware of this issue - As a workaround for now, please download Beta 4 from the release announcement - https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta4/ - and update that way.

Note that once Beta 5 comes out with a fix, you will need to update manually again (because the problem is in the version you are updating from - ie Beta 3 and Beta 4).

Thanks for your patience and apologies for the inconvenience - although this is a good example of the importance of beta versions and testing them - much better that we find this out now than after the final version was out.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 7:48 PM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
It is known, and being worked on.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/12574

Luke








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