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Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hello, Brian,


It's time to grow up and face reality. I haven't had any problems with the Microsoft disability tech support. Wenever they've asked me to do something like run the registration tool, I've done it. One time I had to do a repair of windows because of a problem but I was willing to do what they asked me to do. As far as internet explorer, it's gonna be gone next year so deal with it! What you say about not being able to download stuf using edge isn't true. I download stuff all the time using edge and haven't had a problem with it. It's time to get off of your soap box now and face facts! I won't say anything more.


Rosemarie

On 6/22/2021 3:54 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
I justgot a call back from the disability answer desk and the guy told me to do a clean install of my windows or use the nvda redgistery tool.  I told him that other peoplealso are having this problem so it's not mywindows or my nvda it is on their end.  He kept on trying to get me to do what he said but I told him that I will not do that.  If they don't want to fix the problem that this just proves once and for all that microsoft does not care one bit about accessability.  When they turn off ie next year you will not be able to down load anything using their brouser.  I hope that they are proud ofthemselves for not caring enough to fix the problem of the context menu not reading in the edge brouser.  We nownot to expect any real accessability from now on.  They are saying it's your problem not ours.  When we call them to tell them of an accessability issue we will be told thats our problem not ours.  I don't have any respect for them at all.  If they would have told me that they are awhear of the problem and they are working on a sulution that would be a different story but that is not the case.  Thats your dumb forigeners for you they are to bit and lazy and incompatent their programers are a joke whear did they get their degree?  Out of a cracker jack box.

Brian Sackrider





Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:50 PM, Olcay AŞCI wrote:
They told us we should use the web version for a while. This is ridiculous; because using the web version slows me down in the business environment.
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That's a perfectly appropriate workaround.  Would you rather have no access in a business environment?

No one has said that the underlying issue will not be addressed and I'd actually be surprised if it wasn't, eventually.

You're a part of the development cycle, and the prioritization that goes into it, like anyone else.  Being given a functional workaround, even if it's suboptimal, is in no way, shape, or form "ridiculous" for use while a fix is being worked on (or even, worst case, if it weren't and that were your only option - it's still a workable option).

No company is obligated to give you accessibility in your preferred format, just that you be given accessibility.  Just as no company is obligated to provide you with your preferred screen reader, just that a screen reader capable of being used for the work expected is provided.
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      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

Olcay AŞCI
 

Hi,

 

We also use WebX for meetings at the company I work for. This is exactly the problem I'm having as well. We have raised these issues with local Cisco representatives serving our company. They told us we should use the web version for a while. This is ridiculous; because using the web version slows me down in the business environment. As long as I don't need to make a presentation at the meeting, I attend the meetings using a mobile application. I use the web version when I need to present. cisco did not use a standard interface shell in its WebX implementation. This seems to be due entirely to that.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kyleborah1234321@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Webex Accessibility Regression

 

Hello all,

As a bit of an introduction, I have recently started a software developer job where I am consistently using Windows again after  trying to run far away from it for the past 6 years. We use WebEx for meetings and early last week (the week of the 14-18 of June 2021), The join a meeting screen has suddenly become inaccessible. This is the screen that lets you make sure you have your video and audio set up correctly before joining. NVDA sees the window, but can not see anything in it. If I perform OCR with NVDA+r, It says, "Content is not visible." I have received visual confirmation that the window is on the screen and looks okay. I can also access it with narrator. But NVDA doesn't work. I have tried launching NVDA under an admin account and with addons disabled, but nothing seems to work.
Obviously I can join from my phone, and I can get into the meetings with narrator, But I would really like this to work with NVDA like it used to.

Has anyone come across this? I tried to do some searching on the page here, but it doesn't seem you are able to search here on groups.io. Am I mistaken about this?


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

JM Casey
 

I’m a little dubious about Brave and their someday-to-be-imlemented advertising model. Vivaldi looks so cool. I have it and have used it a bit, but I wonder if there is a way to customise it a little more for use with screen-readers. Everything works, but as of now, screen-readers don’t seem to be able to tell the difference at all between webpage content and stuff that’s in browser. I guess it’s not a dealbreaker but it is kind of annoying.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 22, 2021 11:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:32 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:

Or you can download another Chromium-based browser such as Brave. I might try Brave myself, so that I will have a third browser which does not start with the letter I.

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Blake,

I use Brave, Chrome, Edge, and Vivaldi as well as Firefox.  The first four in that list are all Chromium-based browsers, and if you actually want another in your browser quiver consider Vivaldi as well as Brave.  I really like both because of their focus on browser privacy to the greatest extent possible and built-in ad blocking features.  I have to use uBlock Origin in Edge and Chrome for ad blocking, and it's really impossible to do anything with regard to the data mining that goes with Chrome (and, probably to a lesser extent, but still there, with Edge).

Firefox works well with NVDA, and they have been taking more of a privacy bent in recent releases, too, but that's still not one of their primary foci.

When it comes right down to it, none of us has any right to expect any specific browser (or other software) will necessary work as we hope it would.  That's why, these days, having the number of browser options we do, almost all of which are accessible, is a wonderful development.  There's more than one for everyone.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

JM Casey
 

Hi.
This is interesting. I'm not using edge at this time, but I wonder if, instead of backing up and tabbing, you could simply click the mouse.
Since you mentioned the virtual cursor, it sounds like you switched to jaws to do this.
But either NVDA or JAWS should be able to simulate a right mouse click on the item.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: June 23, 2021 01:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

Hi Group,

I do use Edge browser on occasion, but with this discussion, I tried to reproduce the issue. I did reproduce it. However, being of a curious and experimental mindset, I played around or about 5 minutes and found that although in the virtual cursor, the press of the Windows context key or the shift + F10 keystroke does not produce the visible context menu, when I turn off virtual cursor and then tab to the desired link and then press the Windows context key, the menu does in fact open. It is not voiced but if you do the following, you have full access to the context menu.

1. Find the link that you want using the virtual cursor.
2. move your cursor back a link or two and then turn off the virtual cursor.
3. tab to highlight the desired link.
4. then press the windows context key.
5. Nothing is voiced, so press up/down arrow key or use first letter navigation to bring up the desired item.

In addition, if you don't want to interact with a particular link, then highlight a piece of non linked text or a blank spot and turn off the virtual cursor to get the other non link context menu: back, forward, view source, add to collection and so on.

While this is a bit clumsy, it does work and if you need to use Edge, for now, that's the way to go.




On 6/22/2021 6:54 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
I justgot a call back from the disability answer desk and the guy told
me to do a clean install of my windows or use the nvda redgistery
tool. I told him that other peoplealso are having this problem so
it's not mywindows or my nvda it is on their end. He kept on trying
to get me to do what he said but I told him that I will not do that.
If they don't want to fix the problem that this just proves once and
for all that microsoft does not care one bit about accessability.
When they turn off ie next year you will not be able to down load
anything using their brouser. I hope that they are proud ofthemselves
for not caring enough to fix the problem of the context menu not
reading in the edge brouser. We nownot to expect any real
accessability from now on. They are saying it's your problem not
ours. When we call them to tell them of an accessability issue we
will be told thats our problem not ours. I don't have any respect for
them at all. If they would have told me that they are awhear of the
problem and they are working on a sulution that would be a different
story but that is not the case. Thats your dumb forigeners for you
they are to bit and lazy and incompatent their programers are a joke
whear did they get their degree? Out of a cracker jack box.

Brian Sackrider





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Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

tim
 

Your going to find a lot of companies along with the government are so far back on upgrades its funny.

Here in NC they are still using xp in local and federal buildings. Even the call center I worked at 10 years ago is still using xp with JFW9.

The reason for that is cost. It cost to move up and site licenses are not cheep.




On 6/23/2021 11:21 AM, kyleborah1234321@... wrote:
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Whoever is maintaining Windows 10 at this site also needs to get off the stick.  Having 1903 at this point in time is jaw-dropping, even for educational or enterprise installations.  It is out of support, by months now, as 1903 is what would be called, in current terms, an H1 (first half of the year) release which is in support for 18 months from the date of release.

It needs to be brought up to a supported version, pronto.

I would agree, but I have one word for you: government.


Re: Problem updating from beta3 to beta4

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,


It's better to install it from the announcement link instead of "check for updates". That's how I got it.



On 6/23/2021 2:43 AM, Nikos Demetriou via groups.io wrote:
Hi.
I am having a problem updating from beta3 to beta 4 of nvda 2021.1.

This is the first time I had an issue like this one.

I go in to help menu and I download the update.
I check the option about the incompatible addons and I press the install button.

I get the start music of the nvda installer.
The installer doesn't start and I get the following message.

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
usage: nvda_noUIAccess.exe [-h] [-q] [-k] [-f LOGFILENAME]
                           [-l {10,12,15,20,30,40,50,100}] [-c CONFIGPATH]
                           [-m] [-s] [--disable-addons] [--debug-logging]
                           [--no-logging] [--no-sr-flag]
                           [--install | --install-silent | --create-portable | --create-portable-silent]
                           [--portable-path PORTABLEPATH] [--launcher]
                           [--enable-start-on-logon True|False]
                           [--copy-portable-config] [--ease-of-access]

error: argument -m/--minimal: ignored explicit argument '--log-level=10'
---------------------------
OK  
---------------------------
Nikos


Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 4 now available

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:51 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I always download from the announcement link instead of the "check for updates".
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As do I, and I'm "out of the loop" on this particular beta, which is unusual.

When it comes to betas in particular, I often don't use the update mechanism, period.  I download, uninstall the existing beta, and install the next beta version.  Your NVDA settings, add-ons, etc., are retained, so why not start as close to completely afresh as you can?
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 4 now available

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,


That's a great suggestion. Whenever there's a new beta version or official release, I always download from the announcement link instead of the "check for updates".


Rosemarie



On 6/23/2021 3:40 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

For anyone experiencing an issue updating from within NVDA to Beta 4 - please download the new beta from the release announcement - https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta4/ - and update via that.

Apologies for the inconvenience, and thank you for your patience!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 7:58 PM Quentin Christensen via groups.io <quentin=nvaccess.org@groups.io> wrote:
Hi everyone,

NVDA 2021.1beta4 is now available for testing. As with previous betas, please test & report any issues. Changes from Beta 3 include updated translations and improvements to crash handling. Full details & download links in the release announcement: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta4/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager



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Re: Problem updating from beta3 to beta4

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I also had to go through the installer. I tried the "check for updates" and it failed too.



On 6/23/2021 4:55 AM, Chris via groups.io wrote:

I had to download and run the installer for it to update to beta 4

 

Going through the check for update option under help, fails with error

 

From: Nikos Demetriou via groups.io
Sent: 23 June 2021 10:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problem updating from beta3 to beta4

 

Hi.

I am having a problem updating from beta3 to beta 4 of nvda 2021.1.

 

This is the first time I had an issue like this one.

 

I go in to help menu and I download the update.

I check the option about the incompatible addons and I press the install button.

 

I get the start music of the nvda installer.

The installer doesn't start and I get the following message.

 

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
usage: nvda_noUIAccess.exe [-h] [-q] [-k] [-f LOGFILENAME]
                           [-l {10,12,15,20,30,40,50,100}] [-c CONFIGPATH]
                           [-m] [-s] [--disable-addons] [--debug-logging]
                           [--no-logging] [--no-sr-flag]
                           [--install | --install-silent | --create-portable | --create-portable-silent]
                           [--portable-path PORTABLEPATH] [--launcher]
                           [--enable-start-on-logon True|False]
                           [--copy-portable-config] [--ease-of-access]

error: argument -m/--minimal: ignored explicit argument '--log-level=10'
---------------------------
OK  
---------------------------

Nikos

 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:21 AM, <kyleborah1234321@...> wrote:
I would agree, but I have one word for you: government.
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Government or no government, unless they have a special arrangement with Microsoft for extended support (and they might), it is absolutely unsafe to use an out-of-support version of Windows 10.

Given what's been in the news, heads would, and should, roll were a compromise to occur on a network where all the machines were running an unsupported version of Windows 10.

IT departments are always "the last to update," putting it off as long as they can, but there are limits.  And no one in charge who has one lick of sense would keep an out of support version running.  Now I'm really curious as to whether some sort of extended support is in place, because there are these arrangements for enterprise editions in particular.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

kyleborah1234321@...
 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Whoever is maintaining Windows 10 at this site also needs to get off the stick.  Having 1903 at this point in time is jaw-dropping, even for educational or enterprise installations.  It is out of support, by months now, as 1903 is what would be called, in current terms, an H1 (first half of the year) release which is in support for 18 months from the date of release.

It needs to be brought up to a supported version, pronto.

I would agree, but I have one word for you: government.


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:47 AM, <kyleborah1234321@...> wrote:
Windows 10 1903 (64-bit) build 18362.1256
-
Whoever is maintaining Windows 10 at this site also needs to get off the stick.  Having 1903 at this point in time is jaw-dropping, even for educational or enterprise installations.  It is out of support, by months now, as 1903 is what would be called, in current terms, an H1 (first half of the year) release which is in support for 18 months from the date of release.

It needs to be brought up to a supported version, pronto.

And thanks, very much, for providing these details.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

Brian Moore
 

yes, I can confirm exactly the same behavior. Have raised it with Cisco. their support page seems to indicate support for JAWS which I can confirm. With Jaws, current update still reads.


Brian.

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On 2021-06-23 10:42 a.m., Afik Souffir wrote:

Hi
I suggest you to contact the devlopers of webex and tell them about the issue. 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of kyleborah1234321@... <kyleborah1234321@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 5:07:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Webex Accessibility Regression
 
Hello all,

As a bit of an introduction, I have recently started a software developer job where I am consistently using Windows again after  trying to run far away from it for the past 6 years. We use WebEx for meetings and early last week (the week of the 14-18 of June 2021), The join a meeting screen has suddenly become inaccessible. This is the screen that lets you make sure you have your video and audio set up correctly before joining. NVDA sees the window, but can not see anything in it. If I perform OCR with NVDA+r, It says, "Content is not visible." I have received visual confirmation that the window is on the screen and looks okay. I can also access it with narrator. But NVDA doesn't work. I have tried launching NVDA under an admin account and with addons disabled, but nothing seems to work.
Obviously I can join from my phone, and I can get into the meetings with narrator, But I would really like this to work with NVDA like it used to.

Has anyone come across this? I tried to do some searching on the page here, but it doesn't seem you are able to search here on groups.io. Am I mistaken about this?


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

kyleborah1234321@...
 

Windows 10 1903 (64-bit) build 18362.1256
NVDA: Version: 2020.4
WebEx: Version: 41.6.1.19162
 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 

Hi
I suggest you to contact the devlopers of webex and tell them about the issue. 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of kyleborah1234321@... <kyleborah1234321@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 5:07:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Webex Accessibility Regression
 
Hello all,

As a bit of an introduction, I have recently started a software developer job where I am consistently using Windows again after  trying to run far away from it for the past 6 years. We use WebEx for meetings and early last week (the week of the 14-18 of June 2021), The join a meeting screen has suddenly become inaccessible. This is the screen that lets you make sure you have your video and audio set up correctly before joining. NVDA sees the window, but can not see anything in it. If I perform OCR with NVDA+r, It says, "Content is not visible." I have received visual confirmation that the window is on the screen and looks okay. I can also access it with narrator. But NVDA doesn't work. I have tried launching NVDA under an admin account and with addons disabled, but nothing seems to work.
Obviously I can join from my phone, and I can get into the meetings with narrator, But I would really like this to work with NVDA like it used to.

Has anyone come across this? I tried to do some searching on the page here, but it doesn't seem you are able to search here on groups.io. Am I mistaken about this?


Re: Will NVDA running from a USB stick on a friends PC leave any files behind after use?

 

Not any that I'm aware of.  For Portable NVDA all of the files, folders, etc., that the program itself uses and depends upon are resident on the USB jump drive and do not get copied anywhere.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

 

Can you give:  The version and build number of Windows 10, the version of NVDA you're using?

Yes, you can search the group archives.  I need to update this tutorial because there have been some tweaks by Groups.io to the presentation of results, but most of it is still applicable:  Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Webex Accessibility Regression

kyleborah1234321@...
 

Hello all,

As a bit of an introduction, I have recently started a software developer job where I am consistently using Windows again after  trying to run far away from it for the past 6 years. We use WebEx for meetings and early last week (the week of the 14-18 of June 2021), The join a meeting screen has suddenly become inaccessible. This is the screen that lets you make sure you have your video and audio set up correctly before joining. NVDA sees the window, but can not see anything in it. If I perform OCR with NVDA+r, It says, "Content is not visible." I have received visual confirmation that the window is on the screen and looks okay. I can also access it with narrator. But NVDA doesn't work. I have tried launching NVDA under an admin account and with addons disabled, but nothing seems to work.
Obviously I can join from my phone, and I can get into the meetings with narrator, But I would really like this to work with NVDA like it used to.

Has anyone come across this? I tried to do some searching on the page here, but it doesn't seem you are able to search here on groups.io. Am I mistaken about this?


Will NVDA running from a USB stick on a friends PC leave any files behind after use?

Blaster
 

Hello list, I was asked a question that I couldn't answer because it's
been quite a while since I used NVDA running from a USB stick on
another person's PC, so I'm hoping someone can answer this one for me.

Will NVDA running on a USB stick on another person's PC leave any
files or setting changes behind that would require a little clean up
after use?

Thanks for any info,
Blaster

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