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Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 4 now available

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

period.  I download, uninstall the existing beta, and install the next beta version.  Your NVDA settings, add-ons, etc., are retained, so why not start as
close to completely afresh as you can?
Because it is not how the normal user uses the release software.

My thought when testing betas, is to try not to treat them any differently then the release software would be treated in the majority of cases.

So if I want to test what the average user would find, I should behave like the average user would behave.
In this case, that means updating from the help menu.

I can see your fresh install point of view because it replaces the codebase, but to me that is unrealistic to how most users would deploy the software.

It neither simulates updates (because people don't update that way), nor simulates fresh installs (because you keep your userdata). Thus it is an abnormal modality for the software to be used in, and misses tests for the usual use cases.

Luke


Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

hi Walter,

Sorry, I have not red your mail correctly. Forget the %appdata%
ssolution and to delete the nvda profile. That is not an solution for
your problem.


Kind regards, Marten

On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 22:10:05 +0200 "Marten Post Uiterweer" <martenpu@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Hi Walter,

You could try to delete the nvda profile.
First close the local copy of nvda.
you can use the portable version of nvda or narrator to do this.
Open the startmenu type:
%appdata%
enter and there is an nvda folder. delete or rename this folder and
start the local copy of nvda. It will create a new profile.
you have to know, that also vocalizer voices and plugins are removed
this way, so you have to install them again.

Kind regards, Marten

On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 20:39:03 +0200 "Walter via groups.io" <walterzuiderwijk=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi I just wanted to introduce myself.
My name is Walter Zuiderwijk I have an NVDA problem at work.
When I start a portable version of NVDA and I open microsoft it gets blocked. Then I get the message that the program is closing and a solution is given if it is available.
When I then started NVDA locally from the computer together with someone, there was nothing to worry about, which was an older version than the portable version, which was the newest version.
Do you maybe know what the problem is?
Thank you very much for any solution

Kind regards walter


Groet Walter







Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Hi Walter,

You could try to delete the nvda profile.
First close the local copy of nvda.
you can use the portable version of nvda or narrator to do this.
Open the startmenu type:
%appdata%
enter and there is an nvda folder. delete or rename this folder and
start the local copy of nvda. It will create a new profile.
you have to know, that also vocalizer voices and plugins are removed
this way, so you have to install them again.

Kind regards, Marten

On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 20:39:03 +0200 "Walter via groups.io" <walterzuiderwijk=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi I just wanted to introduce myself.
My name is Walter Zuiderwijk I have an NVDA problem at work.
When I start a portable version of NVDA and I open microsoft it gets blocked. Then I get the message that the program is closing and a solution is given if it is available.
When I then started NVDA locally from the computer together with someone, there was nothing to worry about, which was an older version than the portable version, which was the newest version.
Do you maybe know what the problem is?
Thank you very much for any solution

Kind regards walter


Groet Walter




Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 03:16 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I have mixed and very complicated feelings about ads on the internet.
-
I don't.  The business model for internet advertising is perverse, and need not be what it is.

Internet advertising should be handled just like an extension to print media advertising:  you pay for placement.  When you advertise in print media, on television, or even on the radio you do not pay or not pay depending on whether any set number of individuals do or do not actually engage with the ad, whether that be seeing it and reading it, seeing it broadcast, or listening to it broadcast.  You pay by placement and based on total circulation/audience numbers, whether one member of the audience engages, nearly all of them do, or none of them do.

If web advertising were not just so darned intrusive in far too many cases, I'd be fine with it.  In the case of those of us that see (and I know the analog exists for those who don't, too) even silent ads that are flashing, scrolling, flipping through images, etc., is just visually distracting in the extreme, and makes actually reading a nightmare.

Since I pay for my internet bandwidth, I also don't want that eaten up by things other than those I choose.

I have never felt a moment's compunction about using ad blockers, and never will.  It is entirely possible for companies with major internet media presence to price their advertising as they do for all other media, not for whether there were countable "eyes on," for a specific ad.  It's even more stupid when there is no guarantee that having "eyes on" (and you all know what I mean, substitute ears on as needed) actually means that you had that in any meaningful sense.  Something having been served up on a page does not come close to guaranteeing engagement.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

Walter <walterzuiderwijk@...>
 

Thankyou so much for the quic reaction

Groet Walter

Op 23 jun. 2021 om 21:09 heeft Blaster <blaster.nil8@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

Some businesses block the use of external USB devices for security
reasons. If this is the case, your network admin may allow access for
your PC if you explain your situation.

HTH,
Blaster


On 6/23/21, Walter via groups.io <walterzuiderwijk=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi I just wanted to introduce myself.
My name is Walter Zuiderwijk I have an NVDA problem at work.
When I start a portable version of NVDA and I open microsoft it gets
blocked. Then I get the message that the program is closing and a solution
is given if it is available.
When I then started NVDA locally from the computer together with someone,
there was nothing to worry about, which was an older version than the
portable version, which was the newest version.
Do you maybe know what the problem is?
Thank you very much for any solution

Kind regards walter


Groet Walter









Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

Walter <walterzuiderwijk@...>
 

My apologies I will find out for you which version this is I'm sorry I didn't post this when I was at work but I did this at home because we are not allowed to send private messages at work.
Tomorrow I'll check the verzies of both windows10 and the two NVDA verzies
I apologize for the inconvenience.
 
Verzonden vanuit Mail voor Windows 10
 

Groet Walter

Op 23 jun. 2021 om 21:13 heeft Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> het volgende geschreven:

BTW, I have corrected the spelling on "when" in the topic title, which I am responsible for having introduced.  Please, if possible, respond to messages that have "when" not "wheh."
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

JM Casey
 

I have mixed and very complicated feelings about ads on the internet. I generally would rather not see them but this is how some of my favourtie providers of content get revenue. And they deserve that revenue. Still, they are an inconvenience that I’d rather not deal with, most of the time.

But if it were a choice between ads specifically running on websites or for example youtube videos, and ads generated by a browser and its private cadre of advertisers – I think I would rather go for the former.

Good to know you can opt out entirely, for sure.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 23, 2021 03:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

I'll also simply say that Brave allows you to opt in or out of Brave Rewards and associated advertising.  I believe it is opt-in as default, but I could be wrong.  I do know I'm opted out, and get no advertising at all from them (or, really, anyone, but occasionally the very rare thing that has not as yet been filtered slips through).

So long as I can exercise the choice I prefer, I don't care one bit what the default is when I am doing a fresh install.  I do care that my choice remain permanent through subsequent updating cycles, and it has remained so.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

 

BTW, I have corrected the spelling on "when" in the topic title, which I am responsible for having introduced.  Please, if possible, respond to messages that have "when" not "wheh."
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

I'll also simply say that Brave allows you to opt in or out of Brave Rewards and associated advertising.  I believe it is opt-in as default, but I could be wrong.  I do know I'm opted out, and get no advertising at all from them (or, really, anyone, but occasionally the very rare thing that has not as yet been filtered slips through).

So long as I can exercise the choice I prefer, I don't care one bit what the default is when I am doing a fresh install.  I do care that my choice remain permanent through subsequent updating cycles, and it has remained so.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

Blaster
 

Some businesses block the use of external USB devices for security
reasons. If this is the case, your network admin may allow access for
your PC if you explain your situation.

HTH,
Blaster

On 6/23/21, Walter via groups.io <walterzuiderwijk=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi I just wanted to introduce myself.
My name is Walter Zuiderwijk I have an NVDA problem at work.
When I start a portable version of NVDA and I open microsoft it gets
blocked. Then I get the message that the program is closing and a solution
is given if it is available.
When I then started NVDA locally from the computer together with someone,
there was nothing to worry about, which was an older version than the
portable version, which was the newest version.
Do you maybe know what the problem is?
Thank you very much for any solution

Kind regards walter


Groet Walter






Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

 

Welcome Walter.

Sorry that what comes next isn't exactly welcoming, but it needs to be said:  Versions, versions, versions!  We need those for Windows 10, including build number, and both the installed instance of NVDA as well as the portable instance of NVDA to further pursue this.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

Walter <walterzuiderwijk@...>
 

Hi I just wanted to introduce myself.
My name is Walter Zuiderwijk I have an NVDA problem at work.
When I start a portable version of NVDA and I open microsoft it gets blocked. Then I get the message that the program is closing and a solution is given if it is available.
When I then started NVDA locally from the computer together with someone, there was nothing to worry about, which was an older version than the portable version, which was the newest version.
Do you maybe know what the problem is?
Thank you very much for any solution

Kind regards walter


Groet Walter


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

Gene
 

What is wrong with the idea?  Web sites do have a legitimate interest in advertising.  What Brave does is substitute its own ads that are not intrusive and not targeted and shares the revenue made by those advertisements with sites that participate in the program.  It is the only ethical way I’ve seen to try to deal with the constant and widespread abuses of advertising as it is currently practiced online.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
 

I did not say that there was a user experience impact – I just don’t thinkt aht I personally like the idea that much.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 23, 2021 02:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

Brave works well both in my experience and in the experience of reputable reviewers.  The advertising system is somewhat in place but it has nothing to do with whether you can access sites or work with them whether those sites participate in the advertising model.  Brave gives excellent protection against seeing other advertisements and against being tracked.  

 

To clarify, it may be that some sites will block Brave just as they do other browsers that  want you not to use an ad blocker on their sites.  But that is not a problem with using Brave itself, though in such cases, it is far easier to just use a different browser than to fool around with Brave settings just for this or that site.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 11:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

I’m a little dubious about Brave and their someday-to-be-imlemented advertising model. Vivaldi looks so cool. I have it and have used it a bit, but I wonder if there is a way to customise it a little more for use with screen-readers. Everything works, but as of now, screen-readers don’t seem to be able to tell the difference at all between webpage content and stuff that’s in browser. I guess it’s not a dealbreaker but it is kind of annoying.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 22, 2021 11:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:32 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:

Or you can download another Chromium-based browser such as Brave. I might try Brave myself, so that I will have a third browser which does not start with the letter I.

-
Blake,

I use Brave, Chrome, Edge, and Vivaldi as well as Firefox.  The first four in that list are all Chromium-based browsers, and if you actually want another in your browser quiver consider Vivaldi as well as Brave.  I really like both because of their focus on browser privacy to the greatest extent possible and built-in ad blocking features.  I have to use uBlock Origin in Edge and Chrome for ad blocking, and it's really impossible to do anything with regard to the data mining that goes with Chrome (and, probably to a lesser extent, but still there, with Edge).

Firefox works well with NVDA, and they have been taking more of a privacy bent in recent releases, too, but that's still not one of their primary foci.

When it comes right down to it, none of us has any right to expect any specific browser (or other software) will necessary work as we hope it would.  That's why, these days, having the number of browser options we do, almost all of which are accessible, is a wonderful development.  There's more than one for everyone.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Will NVDA running from a USB stick on a friends PC leave any files behind after use?

Blaster
 

Thanks Brian, Since I have NVDA installed on all of my PC's I
couldn't be sure.

Take care,
Blaster

On 6/23/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Not any that I'm aware of. For Portable NVDA all of the files, folders,
etc., that the program itself uses and depends upon are resident on the USB
jump drive and do not get copied anywhere.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel






Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

Blaster
 

I'm not familiar with the Webex platform, however, When GoToMeeting
made a change to their interface I faced a similar issue. It turned
out that when stuck at the blank window there was a button highlighted
that said "Join Meeting", at which time pressing the spacebar advanced
me to the actual meeting room. I'm not sure if it's the same, but try
pressing the spacebar to see if you advance to the meeting room.

Also, The links for this list are posted on the bottom of each posting
and YES there is a searchable groups.io page for this list and it can
be found here.

| NVDA Archive Search Page on Groups.io:
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/search

HTH,
Blaster

On 6/23/21, kyleborah1234321@gmail.com <kyleborah1234321@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,

As a bit of an introduction, I have recently started a software developer
job where I am consistently using Windows again after trying to run far
away from it for the past 6 years. We use WebEx for meetings and early last
week (the week of the 14-18 of June 2021), The join a meeting screen has
suddenly become inaccessible. This is the screen that lets you make sure you
have your video and audio set up correctly before joining. NVDA sees the
window, but can not see anything in it. If I perform OCR with NVDA+r, It
says, "Content is not visible." I have received visual confirmation that the
window is on the screen and looks okay. I can also access it with narrator.
But NVDA doesn't work. I have tried launching NVDA under an admin account
and with addons disabled, but nothing seems to work.
Obviously I can join from my phone, and I can get into the meetings with
narrator, But I would really like this to work with NVDA like it used to.

Has anyone come across this? I tried to do some searching on the page here,
but it doesn't seem you are able to search here on groups.io. Am I mistaken
about this?






Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

JM Casey
 

I did not say that there was a user experience impact – I just don’t thinkt aht I personally like the idea that much.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 23, 2021 02:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

Brave works well both in my experience and in the experience of reputable reviewers.  The advertising system is somewhat in place but it has nothing to do with whether you can access sites or work with them whether those sites participate in the advertising model.  Brave gives excellent protection against seeing other advertisements and against being tracked.  

 

To clarify, it may be that some sites will block Brave just as they do other browsers that  want you not to use an ad blocker on their sites.  But that is not a problem with using Brave itself, though in such cases, it is far easier to just use a different browser than to fool around with Brave settings just for this or that site.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 11:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

I’m a little dubious about Brave and their someday-to-be-imlemented advertising model. Vivaldi looks so cool. I have it and have used it a bit, but I wonder if there is a way to customise it a little more for use with screen-readers. Everything works, but as of now, screen-readers don’t seem to be able to tell the difference at all between webpage content and stuff that’s in browser. I guess it’s not a dealbreaker but it is kind of annoying.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 22, 2021 11:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:32 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:

Or you can download another Chromium-based browser such as Brave. I might try Brave myself, so that I will have a third browser which does not start with the letter I.

-
Blake,

I use Brave, Chrome, Edge, and Vivaldi as well as Firefox.  The first four in that list are all Chromium-based browsers, and if you actually want another in your browser quiver consider Vivaldi as well as Brave.  I really like both because of their focus on browser privacy to the greatest extent possible and built-in ad blocking features.  I have to use uBlock Origin in Edge and Chrome for ad blocking, and it's really impossible to do anything with regard to the data mining that goes with Chrome (and, probably to a lesser extent, but still there, with Edge).

Firefox works well with NVDA, and they have been taking more of a privacy bent in recent releases, too, but that's still not one of their primary foci.

When it comes right down to it, none of us has any right to expect any specific browser (or other software) will necessary work as we hope it would.  That's why, these days, having the number of browser options we do, almost all of which are accessible, is a wonderful development.  There's more than one for everyone.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

Gene
 

Brave works well both in my experience and in the experience of reputable reviewers.  The advertising system is somewhat in place but it has nothing to do with whether you can access sites or work with them whether those sites participate in the advertising model.  Brave gives excellent protection against seeing other advertisements and against being tracked.  
 
To clarify, it may be that some sites will block Brave just as they do other browsers that  want you not to use an ad blocker on their sites.  But that is not a problem with using Brave itself, though in such cases, it is far easier to just use a different browser than to fool around with Brave settings just for this or that site.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
 

I’m a little dubious about Brave and their someday-to-be-imlemented advertising model. Vivaldi looks so cool. I have it and have used it a bit, but I wonder if there is a way to customise it a little more for use with screen-readers. Everything works, but as of now, screen-readers don’t seem to be able to tell the difference at all between webpage content and stuff that’s in browser. I guess it’s not a dealbreaker but it is kind of annoying.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 22, 2021 11:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:32 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:

Or you can download another Chromium-based browser such as Brave. I might try Brave myself, so that I will have a third browser which does not start with the letter I.

-
Blake,

I use Brave, Chrome, Edge, and Vivaldi as well as Firefox.  The first four in that list are all Chromium-based browsers, and if you actually want another in your browser quiver consider Vivaldi as well as Brave.  I really like both because of their focus on browser privacy to the greatest extent possible and built-in ad blocking features.  I have to use uBlock Origin in Edge and Chrome for ad blocking, and it's really impossible to do anything with regard to the data mining that goes with Chrome (and, probably to a lesser extent, but still there, with Edge).

Firefox works well with NVDA, and they have been taking more of a privacy bent in recent releases, too, but that's still not one of their primary foci.

When it comes right down to it, none of us has any right to expect any specific browser (or other software) will necessary work as we hope it would.  That's why, these days, having the number of browser options we do, almost all of which are accessible, is a wonderful development.  There's more than one for everyone.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

 

Well yeah.

Its why I have been updating initial stuff ahead of time but it was the main reason why I switched to nvda for my primary.

In the early days before I knew things would drop out completely as in reguards to vista and even xp, I retired my flatbed scanner ahead of time and my old recorder in stages.

That saved me 1000 bucks I would have had to spend all at once.

Then there was my pc which I had to update.

Then there were programs, and while a lot were opensource some I had to update.

Thankfully I was able to signup for the dolphin beta last year which meant I got my old screen reader back and didn't have to fork out for that to.

However that was wwhy I didn't update.

If I had to buy jaws myself I'd probably still be back on xxp to.

My next push up will be usb c when that appears, and how my system will continue.

With the end of most laptops without secondary storage, my next plan is either a desk tower or one of those miniture pcs so who knows.


I'd prefer to keep going as I have but that may not be possible, certainly its going to cost a lot less to move away from a full laptop especially since most of my work is at my desk.

I mean I will have a laptop for some remote stuff but it aint going to be my primary driver.

Though for those on windows 7 and 8 from winaero amd has just dropped support for their hardware so once hardware support does drop there will need to be forced updates.

But at a university where I do a lot of work they can't afford upgrading from xp for some applications and devices.

Those devices and applications cost millions to buy.

They will cost a lot more to upgrade and even before covid funding was being slashed all over the place.

I'd imagine it will be harder now.

My mum's work has just done an emergency update on their printer because it failed last year.

They thought about doing something in january as their unit kept jamming and being really bad.

They have just got an emergency order for a new unit and it finally came yesterday so yeah everything is going up in price.




On 24/06/2021 4:26 am, tim wrote:

Your going to find a lot of companies along with the government are so far back on upgrades its funny.

Here in NC they are still using xp in local and federal buildings. Even the call center I worked at 10 years ago is still using xp with JFW9.

The reason for that is cost. It cost to move up and site licenses are not cheep.




On 6/23/2021 11:21 AM, kyleborah1234321@... wrote:
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Whoever is maintaining Windows 10 at this site also needs to get off the stick.  Having 1903 at this point in time is jaw-dropping, even for educational or enterprise installations.  It is out of support, by months now, as 1903 is what would be called, in current terms, an H1 (first half of the year) release which is in support for 18 months from the date of release.

It needs to be brought up to a supported version, pronto.

I would agree, but I have one word for you: government.
.


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hello, Brian,


It's time to grow up and face reality. I haven't had any problems with the Microsoft disability tech support. Wenever they've asked me to do something like run the registration tool, I've done it. One time I had to do a repair of windows because of a problem but I was willing to do what they asked me to do. As far as internet explorer, it's gonna be gone next year so deal with it! What you say about not being able to download stuf using edge isn't true. I download stuff all the time using edge and haven't had a problem with it. It's time to get off of your soap box now and face facts! I won't say anything more.


Rosemarie

On 6/22/2021 3:54 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
I justgot a call back from the disability answer desk and the guy told me to do a clean install of my windows or use the nvda redgistery tool.  I told him that other peoplealso are having this problem so it's not mywindows or my nvda it is on their end.  He kept on trying to get me to do what he said but I told him that I will not do that.  If they don't want to fix the problem that this just proves once and for all that microsoft does not care one bit about accessability.  When they turn off ie next year you will not be able to down load anything using their brouser.  I hope that they are proud ofthemselves for not caring enough to fix the problem of the context menu not reading in the edge brouser.  We nownot to expect any real accessability from now on.  They are saying it's your problem not ours.  When we call them to tell them of an accessability issue we will be told thats our problem not ours.  I don't have any respect for them at all.  If they would have told me that they are awhear of the problem and they are working on a sulution that would be a different story but that is not the case.  Thats your dumb forigeners for you they are to bit and lazy and incompatent their programers are a joke whear did they get their degree?  Out of a cracker jack box.

Brian Sackrider





Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:50 PM, Olcay AŞCI wrote:
They told us we should use the web version for a while. This is ridiculous; because using the web version slows me down in the business environment.
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That's a perfectly appropriate workaround.  Would you rather have no access in a business environment?

No one has said that the underlying issue will not be addressed and I'd actually be surprised if it wasn't, eventually.

You're a part of the development cycle, and the prioritization that goes into it, like anyone else.  Being given a functional workaround, even if it's suboptimal, is in no way, shape, or form "ridiculous" for use while a fix is being worked on (or even, worst case, if it weren't and that were your only option - it's still a workable option).

No company is obligated to give you accessibility in your preferred format, just that you be given accessibility.  Just as no company is obligated to provide you with your preferred screen reader, just that a screen reader capable of being used for the work expected is provided.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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